Takish'Hiz The Holy City (Not the one in the desert...)

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="3">I've been curious for quite sometime, and figured I would post about this.This is tooken out of the EQ Atlas on the Plane of Growth Section ( Page 345 )</font><font face="Century">"<font face="Garamond" size="4">Near the Lake of the Whispering is the entrance to the elven holy city of Takish'Hiz, of which the mortal city of the same name is a pale imitation. Elves will pass into the city when their time is finished, to learn of things past, present, and future. At its gates stands <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=5332" target="_blank">a guardian</a> of unsurpassed might. Mortal elves who approach the gates will be barred; those who are insistent shall have their souls wrenched from their bodies and sent into exile for their transgression against <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=5335" target="_blank">Tunare</a>'s will.</font>"<font face="Comic Sans MS">------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></font></font><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font face="Century"><font face="Comic Sans MS">I often visited the Plane of Growth with my wood elf rogue, and you could not enter. The city did look grand on the outside though. Sadly my PC with the screenshots of the entrance were lost when my old PC back then broke.</font></font></font><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font face="Century"><font face="Comic Sans MS">In my opinion, even if the gods have withdrew their influence. That if a elf's time is finished that they still go to Takish'Hiz if they are still a devouted follower of Tunare.I do have a few questions though.<b>1)</b> Do any other gods have such places where their followers or created races go after their time is finished?<b>2)</b> Does anyone know any lore about this holy city besides what is mentioned in the Atlas? Perhaps something from the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion. I know we did a lot of adventuring into Takish'Hiz there. Maybe something from there could reveal some more about the original Takish'Hiz.<b>3) </b>Not really a question, but more speculation. How did the elves come about naming their mortal city after the holy city. My best guess is the elves who started Takish'Hiz perhaps had one among the populace who had visited the Plane of Growth and suggested naming it after the elven holy city in the Plane of Growth.<font size="3">Just interesting lore for elves, and whomever. Open for discussion.</font></font></font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on <span class=date_text>05-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:50 AM</span>

[Jait]

<DIV>In Prophecy of Ro (EQ1) Takish-Hiz is revealed again with the help of Karana/Druzil Ro/Tunare.  Once it's uncovered by Karana's winds, Druzil Ro sent people back in time to learn the secrets of the Elddar with permission from Tunare.  Or something along those lines.  Sorry, best I can remember.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Granted, none of this necessarily applies to EQ2, but thought you might be interested.  And here's some more info from EQ1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=10350" target=_blank>http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=10350</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>According to EQ lore in general, the first city the Elves lived in was called Takish'Hiz. It was this grand city built in what would eventually be turned into the Desert of Ro. It was here that the first elves lived, and from here that Innoruuk would steal away the first King and Queen of the elves, and torture them and twist them and create from them the first two Dark Elves in existance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not sure why the entrance to Takish'Hiz would be located in the Plane of Growth, but Everquest Live has since touched up on it's existance with it's rediscovery in the Lost Dungeons of Norrath and the most recent, the Proficies of Ro.</DIV>

[Themaginator]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div> </div> <div>I'm not sure why the entrance to Takish'Hiz would be located in the Plane of Growth, but Everquest Live has since touched up on it's existance with it's rediscovery in the Lost Dungeons of Norrath and the most recent, the Proficies of Ro.</div><hr></blockquote>There are two Takish'Hiz one is basically like the Christian heaven for elves and is located in PoGrowth (been in the game since velious) and the other is the elven city in the Desert of Ro named after the elven "heaven"  (Ro was formerlly the Eldar Forest).  other places like tak? i think i remember hearing that Mithaniel Marr had one.</div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:03 PM</span>

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><div></div><font face="Comic Sans MS">Yes, the holy city Takish'Hiz in the Plane of Growth is a completely seperate city from the mortal city Takish'Hiz.</font><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font face="Century">"<font face="Garamond" size="4">Near the Lake of the Whispering is the entrance to the <b><u>elven holy city of Takish'Hiz, of which the mortal city of the same name is a pale imitation</u>.</b> Elves will pass into the city when their time is finished, to learn of things past, present, and future. At its gates stands a guardian of unsurpassed might. Mortal elves who approach the gates will be barred; those who are insistent shall have their souls wrenched from their bodies and sent into exile for their transgression against Tunare's will.</font>"</font></font></font><div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:45 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>whoops. didn't catch that part. hehe</DIV>

[mystic5]

Most of us have already been to what is left of Takish'Hiz in the Deserts of Ro.  Its now called The Living Tombs and Silent City.<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>Question. If the elf in question doesn't worship Tunare, does something that goes against Tunare's teachings or doesn't wish to pass on to Takish Hiz when they die, do they still end up there or do they wind up elsewhere?</DIV>

[SpiceBoi]

<DIV> <P>I couldn't find the post, but I'm pretty sure it was decided that Living Tombs & Silent City were not Takish'Hiz.  That they are in fact totally different places that were swallowed by the sands of Ro.  Cusa, am I crazy?  Wasn't all that discussed before?</P> <P> <HR> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><STRONG>1)</STRONG> Do any other gods have such places where their followers or created races go after their time is finished?</FONT><BR><BR> <HR> <P></P> <P>Dark Elves have always been where my interest lies.  I think I read at one point something about Inny bringing his devout to the Plane of Hate after they leave the mortal realm.  Could be crazy, though.</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by SpiceBoi on <span class=date_text>05-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:46 AM</span>

[Adorya]

If I remember well, in EQlive we had an adventure pack like where we could visit ancient burrowed Tak', there were also sand elves in there, don't know if this race is now still alive in eq2...or maybe they turned into undead mobs like in LT.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <DIV>Question. If the elf in question doesn't worship Tunare, does something that goes against Tunare's teachings or doesn't wish to pass on to Takish Hiz when they die, do they still end up there or do they wind up elsewhere?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is a good example of where the Plane of Justice comes in. It's filled with people of all races (Including elves) who had done a terrible crime in thier life, and are sent to spend all Eternity waiting for thier proper judgement

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Adorya wrote:If I remember well, in EQlive we had an adventure pack like where we could visit ancient burrowed Tak', there were also sand elves in there, don't know if this race is now still alive in eq2...or maybe they turned into undead mobs like in LT.<hr></blockquote><font face="Comic Sans MS">Yes. In the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion you could get missions to go into parts of the <u><b>mortal</b></u> city of <a target="_blank" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=189">Takish'Hiz</a>.  Sand elves are not undead. They were living beings of sand cursed in immortality. Whenever you invaded Takish'Hiz and started fighting them. They would usually ask you "<i>Please leave, we wish not to be disturbed.</i>" or something like that. They really didn't seem to be evil at all. They just wanted to be left in peace. It seems they started performing geomancy to keep the city together if I remember right.In the new expansion which you can't be for sure is counted in EQ 2's story time-line is <a target="_blank" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=345">The Ruins of </a><a target="_blank" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=345">Takish'Hiz</a>. Which is also the mortal city so we don't get things confused.I can't remember the name of the npc who gave missions for Takish'Hiz in LDoN. I'd like to read up on the lore they would give you after doing so many missions. I am just looking for somewhere in elven lore that gives reference to the elven holy city Takish'Hiz in the Plane of Growth.Surely they knew it existed if they named their mortal city after it.</font></div>

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mystic586 wrote:<BR>Most of us have already been to what is left of Takish'Hiz in the Deserts of Ro.  Its now called The Living Tombs and Silent City.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>SpiceBoi's right, the Silent City is not Takish'Hiz

[iceriven2]

Silent city/Living tombs is NOT Takish'Hiz. Its its own city with its own history.In EQlive expansion LDON you can visit whats left of the city in ruines. And.... In Prophecy of RO you can go back in time and visit the city at its peak as well as the eldar forest in all its glory. Haven't played it but if the pictures posted in the EQ1 website are accurate the forest looks more grand then the city.

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheManInTheBox wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Adorya wrote:<BR>If I remember well, in EQlive we had an adventure pack like where we could visit ancient burrowed Tak', there were also sand elves in there, don't know if this race is now still alive in eq2...or maybe they turned into undead mobs like in LT.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Yes. In the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion you could get missions to go into parts of the <U><B>mortal</B></U> city of <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=189" target=_blank>Takish'Hiz</A>.  Sand elves are not undead. They were living beings of sand cursed in immortality. Whenever you invaded Takish'Hiz and started fighting them. They would usually ask you "<I>Please leave, we wish not to be disturbed.</I>" or something like that. They really didn't seem to be evil at all. They just wanted to be left in peace. It seems they started performing geomancy to keep the city together if I remember right.<BR><BR>In the new expansion which you can't be for sure is counted in EQ 2's story time-line is <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=345" target=_blank>The Ruins of </A><BR><A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=345" target=_blank>Takish'Hiz</A>. Which is also the mortal city so we don't get things confused.<BR><BR>I can't remember the name of the npc who gave missions for Takish'Hiz in LDoN. I'd like to read up on the lore they would give you after doing so many missions. I am just looking for somewhere in elven lore that gives reference to the elven holy city Takish'Hiz in the Plane of Growth.<BR><BR>Surely they knew it existed if they named their mortal city after it.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It has been a long time since I've read this lore, but I'll try to post what I remember.</P> <P>Basically when the great migration of the elves began, a few wanted to stay behind and try to keep the falling city together.  After a long period of time, the elves started to die out.  They began trying to transfer their souls into sand beings in order to stay alive.  These bodies began to fall apart after a short while, so the elves had to keep transfering their souls to other sand beings.  Each time they did this, a part of their soul would cease to exist.  By the time we find them in EQlive, they are souless beings.</P> <P>Don't quote me on this.  This is only from what I remember from the NPC that gave the missions in LDoN.</P>

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mordock of the Highwynd wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> TheManInTheBox wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Adorya wrote:If I remember well, in EQlive we had an adventure pack like where we could visit ancient burrowed Tak', there were also sand elves in there, don't know if this race is now still alive in eq2...or maybe they turned into undead mobs like in LT. <hr> </blockquote><font face="Comic Sans MS">Yes. In the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion you could get missions to go into parts of the <u><b>mortal</b></u> city of <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=189" target="_blank">Takish'Hiz</a>.  Sand elves are not undead. They were living beings of sand cursed in immortality. Whenever you invaded Takish'Hiz and started fighting them. They would usually ask you "<i>Please leave, we wish not to be disturbed.</i>" or something like that. They really didn't seem to be evil at all. They just wanted to be left in peace. It seems they started performing geomancy to keep the city together if I remember right.In the new expansion which you can't be for sure is counted in EQ 2's story time-line is <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=345" target="_blank">The Ruins of </a><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=345" target="_blank">Takish'Hiz</a>. Which is also the mortal city so we don't get things confused.I can't remember the name of the npc who gave missions for Takish'Hiz in LDoN. I'd like to read up on the lore they would give you after doing so many missions. I am just looking for somewhere in elven lore that gives reference to the elven holy city Takish'Hiz in the Plane of Growth.Surely they knew it existed if they named their mortal city after it.</font></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>It has been a long time since I've read this lore, but I'll try to post what I remember.</p> <p>Basically when the great migration of the elves began, a few wanted to stay behind and try to keep the falling city together.  After a long period of time, the elves started to die out.  They began trying to transfer their souls into sand beings in order to stay alive.  These bodies began to fall apart after a short while, so the elves had to keep transfering their souls to other sand beings.  Each time they did this, a part of their soul would cease to exist.  By the time we find them in EQlive, they are souless beings.</p> <p>Don't quote me on this.  This is only from what I remember from the NPC that gave the missions in LDoN.</p><font face="Comic Sans MS"></font><hr></blockquote><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="3">I believe you are correct if memory serves me right. I do remember some still seeming to retain some memory of their former selves.Maybe when the Echoes of Faydwer comes out we can find some elven lore giving reference to the elven holy city since Kelethin survived the shattering, and the Fier'Dal were the most devoted to Tunare. I can't seem to remember if Felwithe has been mentioned for surviving the shattering or not but... knowing the Koada'Dal for being much more dedicated with intellect and history they should definately have something in their library about the holy city Takish'Hiz. Seeing as they had many devoted followers of Tunare as well.</font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on <span class=date_text>05-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:39 PM</span>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>According to EQ lore in general, the first city the Elves lived in was called Takish'Hiz. It was this grand city built in what would eventually be turned into the Desert of Ro. It was here that the first elves lived, and from here that Innoruuk would steal away the first King and Queen of the elves, and torture them and twist them and create from them the first two Dark Elves in existance.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Just to be fair here.. Innoruuk cursed the Queen with a plague that would kill her at the end of every day (Lich).  But he gave her the cure (Lifetap).  The King was a pally so he could heal himself.  </P> <P>Innoruuk did very little to the king and queen.  They did the torturing and twisting to themselves while Innoruuk watched.  He was out to prove that the elves aren't as perfect as Tunare thought they were.</P>

[Pahya]

<DIV>If I remember right the elves that remained in Takish Hiz and became the sandelves were trapped. As the city began to be swallowed my sand the geomancers fought to drive back the sands and renew the forest. One group of geomancers were in a distant area of the city when the sands covered it. The remains of the elves soon fled Takish Hiz across the city of tears, the trapped geomancers continued to fight to save the city and themselves, not knowing that the city had been abondoned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trapped under the sands they begain to starve. As a means of preservation the geomancers started experimenting with turning first beetles, then dogs and finally themselves into sand. They fully meant to regain their original form when they found their way out. However, as time wore on in their sand form the ties to their mortal hearts started to fade and the sandelves lost sight of what they once were.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The whole story is retold in the first few pages of the DoF guidebook I think <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>According to EQ lore in general, the first city the Elves lived in was called Takish'Hiz. It was this grand city built in what would eventually be turned into the Desert of Ro. It was here that the first elves lived, and from here that Innoruuk would steal away the first King and Queen of the elves, and torture them and twist them and create from them the first two Dark Elves in existance.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Just to be fair here.. Innoruuk cursed the Queen with a plague that would kill her at the end of every day (Lich).  But he gave her the cure (Lifetap).  The King was a pally so he could heal himself. </P> <P>Innoruuk did very little to the king and queen.  They did the torturing and twisting to themselves while Innoruuk watched.  He was out to prove that the elves aren't as perfect as Tunare thought they were.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Uhhh...I've never heard that before. I'm citing lore from "The History of Norrath" itself. It stated that Innoruuk snatched away the King and Queen and tortured them and manipulated them and corrupted them little by little over the course of centuries untill they were both transformed into the first Dark Elves. The King's brother took over as ruler of the Elves, and from that point on, as part of both bloodline and tradition, the ruling king and queen of Neriak, Felwithe (and most likely Kelethin) have all taken the name "Thex" upon them.</P>

[Thax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>According to EQ lore in general, the first city the Elves lived in was called Takish'Hiz. It was this grand city built in what would eventually be turned into the Desert of Ro. It was here that the first elves lived, and from here that Innoruuk would steal away the first King and Queen of the elves, and torture them and twist them and create from them the first two Dark Elves in existance.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Just to be fair here.. Innoruuk cursed the Queen with a plague that would kill her at the end of every day (Lich).  But he gave her the cure (Lifetap).  The King was a pally so he could heal himself. </P> <P>Innoruuk did very little to the king and queen.  They did the torturing and twisting to themselves while Innoruuk watched.  He was out to prove that the elves aren't as perfect as Tunare thought they were.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Uhhh...I've never heard that before. I'm citing lore from "The History of Norrath" itself. It stated that Innoruuk snatched away the King and Queen and tortured them and manipulated them and corrupted them little by little over the course of centuries untill they were both transformed into the first Dark Elves. The King's brother took over as ruler of the Elves, and from that point on, as part of both bloodline and tradition, the ruling king and queen of Neriak, Felwithe (and most likely Kelethin) have all taken the name "Thex" upon them.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ditto.  I've never heard the stuff Nainitsuj is talking about.  What's the source for this?

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV>New PnP book on the expansion, if that's what they are called that's based around the Plane of Hate, and Dark Elves, and all that stuff.</DIV>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thax wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>According to EQ lore in general, the first city the Elves lived in was called Takish'Hiz. It was this grand city built in what would eventually be turned into the Desert of Ro. It was here that the first elves lived, and from here that Innoruuk would steal away the first King and Queen of the elves, and torture them and twist them and create from them the first two Dark Elves in existance.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Just to be fair here.. Innoruuk cursed the Queen with a plague that would kill her at the end of every day (Lich).  But he gave her the cure (Lifetap).  The King was a pally so he could heal himself. </P> <P>Innoruuk did very little to the king and queen.  They did the torturing and twisting to themselves while Innoruuk watched.  He was out to prove that the elves aren't as perfect as Tunare thought they were.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Uhhh...I've never heard that before. I'm citing lore from "The History of Norrath" itself. It stated that Innoruuk snatched away the King and Queen and tortured them and manipulated them and corrupted them little by little over the course of centuries untill they were both transformed into the first Dark Elves. The King's brother took over as ruler of the Elves, and from that point on, as part of both bloodline and tradition, the ruling king and queen of Neriak, Felwithe (and most likely Kelethin) have all taken the name "Thex" upon them.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ditto.  I've never heard the stuff Nainitsuj is talking about.  What's the source for this?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Book of the dead (I think that's what it was called) in PoH.  The original PoH.  It was on the nightstand.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>You mean the one that darn cleric kept preaching by spamming the zone over and over again?</DIV>

[Pahya]

<P>There is a very well written gathering of Teir'dal lore that deserves a bump written by Drakkonius (Axxon of AB) that was what sparked my desire to play on the dark side of the elf <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10700#M10700" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10700#M10700</A></P> <P>It contains the full story of the Thex king and queen, the creation of the teir'dal and the found of Neriak all from the PnP book mentioned I think. Good stuff</P><p>Message Edited by Pahya on <span class=date_text>06-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:22 PM</span>