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05-26-2006, 10:33 PM

<div></div><div></div>Yes, in lue of Veeshan's departure (along with the other gods), the droag, as well as many dragons have taken to making Kerafyrm into a deity.I don't think anyone exactly knows where Kerafyrm is at the moment, and for that we should probably be glad. If we look at how strong Nagafen has become since the shattering, we would shudder to think what Kerafyrm is like these days.Kerafyrm is also completely insane, a defect of his mixxed blood, that unfortunately is the problem with prismatic dragons. In EQ1 it was forbidden for dragons of opposing alignments to mate, in fear of a prismataic being born. Well, it happened anyways.. the mating of Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen resulted in the birth of Kerafyrm, as well as the subsequent exile of both Vox and Nagafen after they were summarily expelled from the Ring of Scale. Dragon law prohibits a dragon from killing another dragon, and so Kerafyrm was left alive, and upon seeing his terrible power they actually made him the general of their armies if I recall, and he was heralded as a champion of dragonkind.But that was all fairly short-lived, as Kerafyrm became increasingly violent and unstable. Eventually he became so unstable that they had to take great measures to put him to sleep and seal him away in what was known as the Sleeper's Tomb in EQ1. However, in EQ1 mortals could slay various dragons, and get their talismans, and make their way into the Sleeper's Tomb... and upon killing the warders that guarded the sleeping monster, he would awake, slaughter the raid, and then run around norrath wreaking complete havoc. It was a very exciting thing to see!!! Also, various dragons around Norrath would panic, or shout exultantly upon this event taking place...probably the most memorable moment for me in EQ1. Sure, you couldn't farm the warders anymore, but hey...was worth it for Kerafyrm's rampage!One server (RZ, wasn't it?) never woke him in Velious, and wound up doing so much later and actually killed him...but if you remember some of the fun with the GM's over that, then you know that he wasn't really supposed to be killed (didn't drop anything once they were allowed to kill him, if I recall). It was a long time ago, and I didn't play on RZ so the exact details of that event elude me, but the gist of it is that the designers didn't really plan on him being killed, as it kind of messes with the plotline.<div></div>Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 11:37 AM

WarShe

05-26-2006, 11:01 PM

Found another god not listed in many places on this old post. <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10799&query.id=27011#M10799" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10799&query.id=27011#M10799</A> <DIV>Not many have heard of Ullkorruuk. She is a relatively new sub deity whose tale might be told in the future. The events behind her ascension to sub deity have much to do with some of the major rumblings in the planar realms. Although, you cannot know all, here is a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Ullkorruuk Plane of Existence: Plane of Hate </DIV> <DIV>A.K.A.: The Archtraitor, Lady of Insurrection </DIV> <DIV>Related Deities: N/A </DIV> <DIV>Worshipers: Traitors, Vengeful Teir’Dal </DIV> <DIV>This little known and young deity resides on the Plane of Hate. She is often closely related to treason since most of her followers, what little there are, have dissented from the ranks of some organization or nation in order to strike back at that former organization for some deep-seated reason. She is allied with Innoruuk, the god of hate. Ullkorruuk appears as a female human paladin who has chosen to betray her native plane, the Plane of Love, for reasons as yet unexplained. She was once a member of Erollisi Marr’s elite guard. She betrayed the queen of love and later became a minion of hate. Her real name was abandoned and she took her new name, Ullkorruuk. She wears garb similar to Erollisi Marr, but it has a dark evil undertone." </DIV>Message Edited by WarSheol on 05-26-2006 12:03 PM

Coniaric

05-26-2006, 11:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rawq wrote: Well, it happened anyways.. the mating of Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen resulted in the birth of Kerafyrm, as well as the subsequent exile of both Vox and Nagafen after they were summarily expelled from the Ring of Scale. Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 11:37 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Slight correction ... Nagafen and Vox didn't produce Kerafyrm. It was before their time.

Kendricke

05-26-2006, 11:22 PM

Luckily, I still had all of these saved from years now passed. Corrections are welcomed, as I consider this to be a work in progress. Descriptions are intentionally left out at this stage. <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_tarew_marr.gif"> Tarew Marr, Greater God of Water <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_eci.gif"> E'Ci, Goddess of Solid Elemental Water <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_povar.gif"> Povar, God of Gaesous Elemental Water <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_fenninro.gif"> Fennin Ro the Tyrant of Fire, God of Elemental Fire <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_rathe.gif"> Council of The Twelve: TheRathe, Collective God of Elemental Earth <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_xegony.gif"> Xegony, Goddess of Elemental Air <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_veeshan.gif"> Veeshan, Goddess of the Sky <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_solusek_ro.gif"> Solusek Ro the Burning Prince, God of Magic Son of Fennin Ro <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_ayonae.gif"> Ayonae Ro, Goddess of Arts Daughter of Fennin Ro <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_druzzilro.gif"> Druzzil Ro, Goddess of Magic Daughter of Fennin Ro <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_bertoxxulous.gif"> Bertoxxulous, God of Pestilence and Rot <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_brell_serilis.gif"> Brell Serillis the Duke of Below, God of the Underfoot <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_bristlebane.gif"> Xev Bristlebane, God of Fortune Fizzlethorpe Bristlebane, God of Mischief <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_erollisi_marr.gif"> Erollisi Marr, Goddess of Love Daughter of Tarew Marr <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_mithaniel_marr.gif"> Mithaniel Marr, God of Truth and Valor Son of Tarew Marr <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_cazic_thule.gif"> Cazic Thule the Faceless, God of Fear <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_terris_thule.gif"> Terris Thule, Goddess of Nightmares Daughter of Cazic Thule <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_morrell_thule.gif"> Morrell Thule, God of Dreams Son of Cazic Thule <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_prexus.gif"> Prexus the Oceanlord, God of the Seas <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_saryrn.gif"> Saryn, Goddess of Torment <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_rodcet_nife.gif"> Rodcet Nife, God of Compassion and Healing <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_quellious.gif"> Quellious the Child, Godess of Tranquility <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_zebuxoruk.gif"> Zeboxuruk the Ungod, (believed by many to be the) God of Curiousity <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_karana.gif"> Karana, God of Storms <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_innoruuk.gif"> Innorruk, God of Hate <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_luclin.gif"> Luclin, Goddess of Shadow <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_torvonnilous.gif"> Torvonnilous, God of Greed <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_the_tribunal.gif"> Council of Six: The Tribunal, Collective God of Justice <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_tunare.gif"> Tunare, Goddess of Nature <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_vazaelle.gif"> Vazaelle Kaleine, Goddess of Madness (Heretic Erudite given Godhood by Cazic Thule) <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_rallos_zek.gif"> Rallos Zek the Warlord, God of War <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_tallon_zek.gif"> Tallon Zek, God of Tactics Son of Rallos Zek <IMG src="http://www.legion-whiterose.com/images/d_vallonzek.gif"> Vallon Zek, God of Strategy Son of Rallos Zek Other Gods and Goddesses of note: Ulkorruk: Goddess of Betrayal Sullon Zek: Goddess of Rage (formerly Sullon McKlarren, Barbarian given powers by Rallos Zek) Rolfron Zek: God of Despair (a Kobold God, given his powers by Rallos Zek) The Nameless: The God of Gods

05-27-2006, 12:35 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Coniaric wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Rawq wrote: <div></div> <div></div>Well, it happened anyways.. the mating of Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen resulted in the birth of Kerafyrm, as well as the subsequent exile of both Vox and Nagafen after they were summarily expelled from the Ring of Scale. <div></div> Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 11:37 AM <hr> </blockquote>Slight correction ... Nagafen and Vox didn't produce Kerafyrm. It was before their time.<hr></blockquote>Hrmm... quite possible, but do you have dates or somesuch that lends to this? I'll confess that my memory of the timeline of events is muddled, but considering Nagafen exists in-game as a higher level NPC than even Lord Vyemm, who previously resided within the Temple of Veeshan, I assumed that Nagafen was pretty old in comparison. Given that neither Vox nor Nagafen were high lvl in comparison to other dragons in EQ1... but one could attribute their weekness to their exile from the Ring of Scale...for all we know being in the Ring of Scale means more than being a member of a particular faction.Also, when Kerafyrm was freed, Vox was pretty excited about the whole thing... as was Nagafen if I remember. Most of the dragons dreaded it and began crying out in fear, but those two were exuberant. I don't think the lore involving Kerafyrm ever specifically stated that Nagafen and Vox were his parents, but gave clues in that regard... I believe the lore did specify that it was a red (fire) and white (ice) dragon that mated and sired him, and that they were removed from the Ring of Scale and forced to live in exile... and coincidentally there were two dragons living in exile, Vox, and Nagafen... and in EQ2 those NPC's themselves confirm that they are mates.<div></div>Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 01:38 PM

Xita

05-27-2006, 12:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rawq wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coniaric wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rawq wrote: Well, it happened anyways.. the mating of Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen resulted in the birth of Kerafyrm, as well as the subsequent exile of both Vox and Nagafen after they were summarily expelled from the Ring of Scale. Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 11:37 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Slight correction ... Nagafen and Vox didn't produce Kerafyrm. It was before their time. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Hrmm... quite possible, but do you have dates or somesuch that lends to this? I'll confess that my memory of the timeline of events is muddled, but considering Nagafen exists in-game as a higher level NPC than even Lord Vyemm, who previously resided within the Temple of Veeshan, I assumed that Nagafen was pretty old in comparison. Given that neither Vox nor Nagafen were high lvl in comparison to other dragons in EQ1... but one could attribute their weekness to their exile from the Ring of Scale...for all we know being in the Ring of Scale means more than being a member of a particular faction. Also, when Kerafyrm was freed, Vox was pretty excited about the whole thing... as was Nagafen if I remember. Most of the dragons dreaded it and began crying out in fear, but those two were exuberant. I don't think the lore involving Kerafyrm ever specifically stated that Nagafen and Vox were his parents, but gave clues in that regard... I believe the lore did specify that it was a red (fire) and white (ice) dragon that mated and sired him, and that they were removed from the Ring of Scale and forced to live in exile... and coincidentally there were two dragons living in exile, Vox, and Nagafen... and in EQ2 those NPC's themselves confirm that they are mates. Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 01:38 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I dont have the exact information you are looking for but Vox and Naggy were intending to mate, hence the exile. Kerafym's father i think is known, his mother I don't think we have a name for.

05-27-2006, 12:46 AM

<blockquote><hr>Xita wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Rawq wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Coniaric wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Rawq wrote: <div></div> <div></div>Well, it happened anyways.. the mating of Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen resulted in the birth of Kerafyrm, as well as the subsequent exile of both Vox and Nagafen after they were summarily expelled from the Ring of Scale. <div></div> Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 11:37 AM <hr> </blockquote>Slight correction ... Nagafen and Vox didn't produce Kerafyrm. It was before their time. <hr> </blockquote>Hrmm... quite possible, but do you have dates or somesuch that lends to this? I'll confess that my memory of the timeline of events is muddled, but considering Nagafen exists in-game as a higher level NPC than even Lord Vyemm, who previously resided within the Temple of Veeshan, I assumed that Nagafen was pretty old in comparison. Given that neither Vox nor Nagafen were high lvl in comparison to other dragons in EQ1... but one could attribute their weekness to their exile from the Ring of Scale...for all we know being in the Ring of Scale means more than being a member of a particular faction.Also, when Kerafyrm was freed, Vox was pretty excited about the whole thing... as was Nagafen if I remember. Most of the dragons dreaded it and began crying out in fear, but those two were exuberant. I don't think the lore involving Kerafyrm ever specifically stated that Nagafen and Vox were his parents, but gave clues in that regard... I believe the lore did specify that it was a red (fire) and white (ice) dragon that mated and sired him, and that they were removed from the Ring of Scale and forced to live in exile... and coincidentally there were two dragons living in exile, Vox, and Nagafen... and in EQ2 those NPC's themselves confirm that they are mates. <div></div> Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 01:38 PM <hr> </blockquote>I dont have the exact information you are looking for but Vox and Naggy were intending to mate, hence the exile. Kerafym's father i think is known, his mother I don't think we have a name for.<hr></blockquote>Oh wait... I think i remember something about Dozekar being the father, but I can't recall where that information comes from, or if that's even accurate.<div></div>

WarShe

05-27-2006, 01:20 AM

Just for reference I think Dozekor was a named dragon in a room off of Halls of Testing in Temple of Veeshan, I havent personaly heard of any info of him being linked to the sleeper.

Kendricke

05-27-2006, 01:29 AM

Jump in the wayback machine to <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=3350&page=2" target=_blank>this post</A> if you want more discussion on Kerafrym.

fierySpir

05-28-2006, 07:13 AM

wow thanks Kendricke that helped show me all the gods <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> can't wait to see these guys come back into the game. Doakoma Silverblade

Nocturnal Aby

05-29-2006, 08:26 AM

I'm surprised it's taken so long for someone to post this list. I'd like to add that I am making something of an essay of on these deities, and, starting from the top, and working my way down, have made it to writing on Luclin, thus my post inquiring on Tallon Zek and the orcs. At the end of the list is also gods that have not been mentioned (to the best of my knowledge) before EQ2. And with no further adieu: <DIV>The Elemental Gods</DIV> The Rathe — The Council Fennin Ro — The Tyrant of Fire Xegony — The Queen of Air The Triumvirate of Water: E'Ci — The Wintry Guardian Povar — The Veiled One Tarew Marr — The Fathom Lord <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Balanced Gods</DIV> Bertoxxulous — The Plaguebringer Brell Serilis — Duke of Below Cazic-Thule — The Faceless Druzzil Ro — The Matron of Art Erollisi Marr — The Queen of Love Fizzlethorpe Bristlebane — The King of Thieves Innoruuk — The Prince of Hate Karana — The Rainkeeper Mithaniel Marr — The Lightbringer Prexus — The Oceanlord Quellious — The Tranquil Rallos Zek — The Warlord Rodcet Nife — The Prime Healer Solusek Ro — The Burning Prince The Tribunal — The Six Hammers & the Seventh Hammer Tunare — Mother of All Veeshan — The Wurmqueen The Lesser Gods Ayonae Ro — The Maestra Luclin — The Maiden of Shadows Morrell-Thule — The Lord of Dreams Tallen Zek — The Beholder of Battle Terris-Thule — The Dream-Scorcher Tholuxe Paells — The God of Lust Torvonnilous — The Lord of Greed Vallon Zek — The Governor of War Xev Bristlebane — The Prince of Fortune <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Demi-Gods</DIV> Lanys T'Vyl — The Daughter of Hate Ralfron Zek — The Forlorn Saryrn — The Mistress of Torment Sullon Zek — The Vengeful Vazaelle Kaleine — The Mad Zebuxoruk — The Forsaken <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spirit Deities</DIV> Drinal — The Silver Reaper Ehayae — Matron of the Dawn Sahteb Mahini — The Feral Spirit EQ2 deities Byzola --Twin of Torment Dymetreax -- Twin of Torment Ulkoruuk (Deceit/betrayal) Anashti Sul -- Goddess of Oblivion Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on 05-30-2006 04:09 PM

Cusashorn

05-29-2006, 08:34 AM

<HR> EQ2 deities Byzola (fear or terror) Dymetra (fear or terror) Estle (Bristlebane?) <HR> Never heard of them. Where'd you hear about them?

Nocturnal Aby

05-29-2006, 09:12 AM

I'm not surprised that you haven't heard of Byzola or Dymetra, not many would know much more than their names. I'm surprised you haven't heard of Estle, though I suppose it's been a while since you would have heard it. The first time I heard of her is with my little gnome warlock, Cannik. A gnome in the Baubleshire, Mirf Guinders, asks you to go to the Down Below and seek out the Shrine of Estle. Not hard to find, in fact, I think you get exploration experience when you find it. I think he calles her Estle Bristlebane or Serlis, when you go back to tell her you found it. Byzola and Dymetra were a LOT harder to find. You have to work on a lot of quests, starting with the old Fallen Gate Access quest that starts in North Freeport. He asks you to go talk to Tundis Noxyl(sp) outside of Fallen Gate. When you go back later, you can talk to Tundis, who asks you to do some research for him. You find a some documents which you take to a dark elf in Nektulos who wanders around near the Spires there. He sends you on a quest to obtain some priestly journals. These you get from I believe the priest of Dymetra, but it could be the priest of Byzola, one of which is the rarer spawn in the newly repopulated Fallen Gate, you can still go there and see some thralls of Byzola. When you return to the Teir'Dal in Nektulos, he tells you a very little bit, i.e. that they are gods of fear and hate, or something like that. I think the weapons you get as a reward are fairly decent, but it takes so long to complete the series, it's hardly worth the effort. I think that these are also possibly the gods for the Lost Religion of Fallen Gate quest, but there's no other evidnece then that both are in Fallen Gate.

Cusashorn

05-29-2006, 09:16 AM

<DIV>Yeah I remember doing all that stuff. I figured they were just locations and important people who used to exist. Gods? yeah right.</DIV>

Nocturnal Aby

05-29-2006, 09:20 AM

*shrugs* Byzola and Dymetra had priests and followers, and Estle has at least one follower, not to mention a shrine to her. Not all of Norrath's gods came at Norrath's creation, is it any wonder that more would continue to come? I'm not going to write any of them off until a Dev tells me otherwise. Estle, Byzola and Dymetra are just as possible as Ulkoruuk. Estle at least has ONE live follower, which is more than the other three can say.

IrishWonder

05-29-2006, 09:23 AM

<DIV>Yep, it's probably the biggest misconception in EQ history... but Nagafen and Vox are not the parents of Kerafyrm. It was Dozekar and a female dragon who I don't know the name of... and I'm not sure if her name was ever mentioned. I had to explain that one to a few guildies when a KoS/Kerafyrm discussion came up in the middle of a Deathtoll raid :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the Deception line of quests, you find out that, since the time the Shattering occurred, Vox and Nagafen were both able to escape from their prisons and "seal the deal" so to speak. So, Nagafen is now in possession of quite a few prismatic eggs. Also, in KoS, Nagafen wants Kerafyrm's plot to take over Norrath stopped.... possibly because he wants to conquer Norrath for himself when his prismatic children are born, but that's just personal speculation. I think the reason Nagafen and Vox were so jubilant over Kerafyrm's escape and rampage in EQLive was because they felt a slight bit of revenge towards the RoS for being locked up for so long because of their attempt to go against the Laws of the Dragons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think Dozekar was in EQLive... he was a dragon in the Temple of Veeshan. His ghost would pop in there and be tortured then killed, over and over... such was his eternal punishment for breaking Veeshan's Laws and creating a prismatic dragon.</DIV>

Cusashorn

05-29-2006, 11:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote: <DIV>Yep, it's probably the biggest misconception in EQ history... but Nagafen and Vox are not the parents of Kerafyrm. It was Dozekar and a female dragon who I don't know the name of... and I'm not sure if her name was ever mentioned. I had to explain that one to a few guildies when a KoS/Kerafyrm discussion came up in the middle of a Deathtoll raid :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the Deception line of quests, you find out that, since the time the Shattering occurred, Vox and Nagafen were both able to escape from their prisons and "seal the deal" so to speak. So, Nagafen is now in possession of quite a few prismatic eggs. Also, in KoS, Nagafen wants Kerafyrm's plot to take over Norrath stopped.... possibly because he wants to conquer Norrath for himself when his prismatic children are born, but that's just personal speculation. I think the reason Nagafen and Vox were so jubilant over Kerafyrm's escape and rampage in EQLive was because they felt a slight bit of revenge towards the RoS for being locked up for so long because of their attempt to go against the Laws of the Dragons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think Dozekar was in EQLive... he was a dragon in the Temple of Veeshan. His ghost would pop in there and be tortured then killed, over and over... such was his eternal punishment for breaking Veeshan's Laws and creating a prismatic dragon.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> The mother has never been told.

WarShe

05-29-2006, 05:53 PM

Im pretty sure Fiorna Vie got to be a sub deity at about the same time as Lanys, Lanys = innoruuks chosen and Fiorna = Tunares chosen. Both of them may not count in EQ2 at all considering it wasnt until way after PoP lore wise. Didnt hear any thing at all about these few people, im pretty sure I did those quests also and I didnt get the impression at all these where deities. Byzola (fear or terror) Dymetra (fear or terror) Estle (Bristlebane?)

Kindayr

05-30-2006, 12:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote: I'm surprised it's taken so long for someone to post this list. I'd like to add that I am making something of an essay of on these deities, and, starting from the top, and working my way down, have made it to writing on Luclin, thus my post inquiring on Tallon Zek and the orcs. At the end of the list is also gods that have not been mentioned (to the best of my knowledge) before EQ2. And with no further adieu: <DIV>The Elemental Gods</DIV> The Rathe — The Council Fennin Ro — The Tyrant of Fire Xegony — The Queen of Air The Triumvirate of Water: E'Ci — The Wintry Guardian Povar — The Veiled One Tarew Marr — The Fathom Lord <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Balanced Gods</DIV> Bertoxxulous — The Plaguebringer Brell Serilis — Duke of Below Cazic-Thule — The Faceless Druzzil Ro — The Matron of Art Erollisi Marr — The Queen of Love Fizzlethorpe Bristlebane — The King of Thieves Innoruuk — The Prince of Hate Karana — The Rainkeeper Mithaniel Marr — The Lightbringer Prexus — The Oceanlord Quellious — The Tranquil Rallos Zek — The Warlord Rodcet Nife — The Prime Healer Solusek Ro — The Burning Prince The Tribunal — The Six Hammers & the Seventh Hammer Tunare — Mother of All Veeshan — The Wurmqueen The Lesser Gods Ayonae Ro — The Maestra Luclin — The Maiden of Shadows Morrell-Thule — The Lord of Dreams Tallen Zek — The Beholder of Battle Terris-Thule — The Dream-Scorcher Tholuxe Paells — The God of Lust ?? Torvonnilous — The Lord of Greed ?? Vallon Zek — The Governor of War Xev Bristlebane — The Prince of Fortune?? <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Demi-Gods</DIV> Lanys T'Vyl — The Daughter of Hate Ralfron Zek — The Forlorn ?? Saryrn — The Mistress of Torment Sullon Zek — The Vengeful Vazaelle Kaleine — The Mad Zebuxoruk — The Forsaken <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spirit Deities</DIV> Drinal — The Silver Reaper Ehayae — Matron of the Dawn Sahteb Mahini — The Feral Spirit EQ2 deities Byzola (fear or terror) Dymetra (fear or terror) Ulkoruuk (Deceit/betrayal) Estle (Bristlebane?) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> ?? Never seen those before

Nocturnal Aby

05-30-2006, 01:57 AM

Ulkoruuk Byzola Dymetra Estle Obviously several of you don't think them to be gods. Not really sure why, other than they haven't appeared in any of the manuals as gods, then again, neither have a lot of the gods listed. Most of them, however, have been server, and as the server was released, so was a snippet of lore. Sullon Zek, for instance, has never been mentioned in any manual, but I can garuntee you that she IS a demi-god. Rolfron Zek, Torvonnilous (hmm, is he up there?), and many others have MUCH less mentioned about them in game. The 4 I listed have either priests, a shrine, or both listed in game (given, the priests might not be alive anymore, but at one time they had priests). What truelly needs to be discussed is what makes a god...a god? Many of these are listed in PnP I believe, but the reason they are listed there, is because they showed up as a server on EQ. I can garuntee you that there is some sort of either reference to them being a deity, or to them being worshipped as one with each of the names up there. I realise that the ones mentioned in EQ2 are sketchy, and I'm not saying that they are, for a fact, gods until a dev at least hints at such. I would LOVE to hear more lore about them, but the possibility is there, and since most people have blown right by them without even giving it a second thought kind of discomforts me. Obviously the Temple of War has interest in the fact that the denizens who used to live in the Foreign Quarter of Nerak were worshiping some previously unmentioned gods, as are the Thexians. Perhaps there is good reason for their curiosity. The Marr twins didn't come onto the seen until millenia after the elves were created (several ages, I can only assume that several thousand years past), and demi gods are constantly being made (Vazaelle Kaleine couldn't have become a demi god until the heretics had splintered off, since that is what she originally was, and we know Lanys T'Vyl became the demi-goddess of Envy/Malice, and I believe that happened before PoP, with the Primordial Malice Cult and all that). Please rest assured I have done extensive research, and the names up there are there for a reason. I contemplated putting Kerafyrm up there as well, but the extent of his power is somewhat unknown... Firiona Vie, although an Avatar, never really ascended to demi god, that I am aware of. Last I heard, she had disappeared, following some stranger, looking for her little staff. Lanys, I know, has ascended to demi god status, this is from several sources. I'm still working on my essay that lists the lore I've gathered on each of the gods. It makes my head hurt to think that I will have to do the quest to find out what exactly is said about Byzola and Dymetra again *sighs* Very, very boring camp. If you have any questions about any of them in particular, ask me in the lore channel, I'm usually on as Raif, Serazuul, Demono, or Stitch (he's on test) to name a few of my alts, or post here, or send me a pm. The best thing to do with knowledge, is share it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on 05-30-2006 01:59 PM

Kendricke

05-30-2006, 10:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote: Sullon Zek, for instance, has never been mentioned in any manual, but I can garuntee you that she IS a demi-god. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Sullon Zek was formerly a Barbarian Warrior, granted her powers by Rallos Zek and takes a prominant role in the Prophecy of Ro expansion. She's mentioned in a manual, suffice it to say. <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote: Rolfron Zek... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> A Kobold Shaman granted his powers by Rallos Zek. He is granted the domain of Despair. <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote: Torvonnilous (hmm, is he up there?)... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I've already listed the God of Greed. <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote: The 4 I listed have either priests, a shrine, or both listed in game (given, the priests might not be alive anymore, but at one time they had priests). <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> One could point out that Lucan D'Lere has all of the above. Yet, he is no god (much as he'd like it believed otherwise). Simply having a shrine doesn't make one a god. <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>

Nocturnal Aby

05-31-2006, 12:56 AM

You're right, which brings me back to my last question, which was what truelly makes one a god? I would say immortality, but obviously some have acheived a level of that, and are obviously not gods (the Overlord being one of them). Thanks for posting some light information on those, those are some wonderful examples of gods who have fairly little known about, yet are most deffinately gods and demi gods. I have found some more out about Estle, here is the text regarding her in game: Mirf Guinders says, "Search within your soul! Reclaim your faith! Bristlebane lives within us. Don not abandon his mirth! We are not forsaken!" You say, "I don't need faith, I need work." Mirf says, "Ah! Give prases, for you have been sent by the gods! I need a heart crusader like you to explore the tunnels of Bristlebane in the Down Below. Find the Shrine of Estle, and confirm its existence." You say, "Listen, I will help you if you quit preaching," Mirf says, "Go to the Down Below and look for a grand hall graced with three statues of Estle, the Tamer of Wild Souls. After you have found it come back to me. I will reward you with some coin." You say, "Would that be Estle Bristlebane?" Mirf says, "What! Do they teach nothing to young people today? Estle was an apostle of Rodcet Nife, a Priest of Life. Together with Vhalen and his bards of Bristlebane, they defended Qeynos during the War Of Plagues!" You say, "I will find their shrine in the Down Below." Mirf Guinders says, "Deep down in the catacombs there are many shrines to protect the fallen - the heroes of Bristlebane and Rodcet Nife - who carried Qeynos through trials and tribulations, who fought hordes of undead, who... You say, "Sorry to cut you off, but the down below beckons." Once you return from discovering the shrine: You say, "I have found the Shrine of Estle." Mirf Guinders says, "Oh, thank our mirthful Bristlebane! The Shrine of Estle has finally been revealed! Such a place must resonate with the benevolence of the gods. I must celebrate and venture down there myself to behold its glory with my own eyes! Here is your coin." You say, "Good luck when you venture down there." So I guess she was just a priest. Although there is always the possibility that Rodcet Nife made her a demi god for her actions (or Vhalen makes her one, since she helped the character he named himself after <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), I don't think she is a god, and have removed her from the list.

Vhalen

05-31-2006, 01:11 AM

There are quite a few unknown planar entities that have some relation to Norrathians in one way or another. These lesser planar entities made themselves known to a small select few. This interaction occurred throughout time, but may have only recently been uncovered. Look around Norrath in the Age of Destiny, you may find hints of these agents of greater entities. I know there are at least a few others you have yet to mention. We may never see them, but their tales may give you more planar lore. In the case of Byzola and Dymetreax (a.k.a. Dymetreas), these entities have been recorded as far back as the Age of Turmoil and had dealings with Norrathians even further back. Byzola is the conjoined twin of her brother, Dymetreax. Together they are known as the Twins of Torment. They exist upon the Plane of Fear and work as agents to the ruler of that plane- Cazic-Thule. They have ventured far and wide in the name of fear. They bring about pain, both physical and mental, to any creature they see fit. In a time long past, they encountered a champion of mortal worlds who ventured to the Plane of Fear to do battle with the Twins of Torment. During that battle, Byzola was slain by the magical brass weapon being wielded by the mortal. Byzola now lies as a fetid corpse still attached to her still living conjoined brother. They were being bred by the Faceless to seize control of a quasi plane from an agent of the Plane of Hate. It has not been validated, but some accounts hint that Byzola is now an undead entity.

Vhalen

05-31-2006, 01:12 AM

<DIV>And... I would like to thank Estle for being part of this thread. Look to the past for this hero.</DIV>

TheManInTheBox

05-31-2006, 02:04 AM

<div></div><div></div><div></div>I searched for Estle, but I could only find <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=2685" target="_blank">Brother Estle</a>.You all refer as Estle being a she, are you sure Estle isn't a he? He is even with the Priests of Life faction.<div></div>Edit - With google I also found by searching "EverQuest Estle" John Estle Gibson's <a href="http://www.jgibsoniv.com/JGibson_resume.htm" target="_blank">website resume</a>.Though it only mentions him doing work on Lords of EverQuest.Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on 05-30-2006 03:15 PM

Thax

05-31-2006, 02:32 AM

I also assumed Estle was a she when I did the quest originally, but now that I think of it, nothing that I know of actually gives Estle a gender. Most likely, it was Brother Estle, particularly if it is from the War of the Plagues.

Nocturnal Aby

05-31-2006, 03:01 AM

Indeed, Brother Estle is the only Estle I've found, and the minute Vhalen mentioned looking to the past, I knew I had seen that name before, and when I went back, I remembered that my evil characters had killed him several times, heh. Also in my digging, I found an interesting bard of <A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3323" target=_blank>note</A>. I'd also like to thank Vhalen for reminding me of a major deity, a deity who is without question...a deity. I'd also like to thank you, so very much for giving information on the Twins of Torment. Someone who's name I will be adding to the list: Anashti Sul, peacock goddess of oblivion.

TheManInTheBox

05-31-2006, 03:52 AM

<div></div>Nice catch with Vhalen in EQ 1. For some reason I never thought of searching for him, especially when Vhalen gave lore about how he played his parts in Norrath's history. But now you've sparked my memory of running across that bard a lot. Maybe one day we will come across another one of those mysterious quests, and actually meet Vhalen as a ghost or something. That would be very cool.Edit - Oh yes. About the lore you revealed Vhalen. You said it was too soon to reveal the name of Vhalen's love whom he lost. How about you give us another good lore fix about the story of romance you never did quite tell us all about. At the very least. I want a name. Who was she? What was she? Where did she go?<div></div>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on 05-30-2006 04:57 PM

Thax

05-31-2006, 05:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheManInTheBox wrote: Nice catch with Vhalen in EQ 1. For some reason I never thought of searching for him, especially when Vhalen gave lore about how he played his parts in Norrath's history. But now you've sparked my memory of running across that bard a lot. Maybe one day we will come across another one of those mysterious quests, and actually meet Vhalen as a ghost or something. That would be very cool. Edit - Oh yes. About the lore you revealed Vhalen. You said it was too soon to reveal the name of Vhalen's love whom he lost. How about you give us another good lore fix about the story of romance you never did quite tell us all about. At the very least. I want a name. Who was she? What was she? Where did she go? Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on 05-30-2006 04:57 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> You mean this Vhalen? <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/bestiary/GhostofVhalen.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/bestiary/GhostofVhalen.php</A>

Cusashorn

05-31-2006, 05:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheManInTheBox wrote: Edit - Oh yes. About the lore you revealed Vhalen. You said it was too soon to reveal the name of Vhalen's love whom he lost. How about you give us another good lore fix about the story of romance you never did quite tell us all about. At the very least. I want a name. Who was she? What was she? Where did she go? Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on 05-30-2006 04:57 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Why are you asking for more information about this character when you yourself just stated that Vhalen pointed out that it was TOO SOON to learn more about her?

Nocturnal Aby

05-31-2006, 05:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheManInTheBox wrote: Edit - Oh yes. About the lore you revealed Vhalen. You said it was too soon to reveal the name of Vhalen's love whom he lost. How about you give us another good lore fix about the story of romance you never did quite tell us all about. At the very least. I want a name. Who was she? What was she? Where did she go? Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on 05-30-2006 04:57 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry I'm not Vhalen, but I can answer some of your question. Vhalen's lover was Metala Highflit, a bard that Vhalen trained, and eventually fell in love with. She ended up leaving him for a Bloodsaber, named Garuc Anehm. It almost seems like she became one of the first Dirges. You can read about Vhalen's tale of lament <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=398" target=_blank>here</A>. Upon further digging, I have found out that much more woe has befallen poor Vhalen Nostrolo than I thought. At some point after Metala started hanging out with Garuc, she ascended to the Plain of Torment, and seems to have become a devout Saryrnite, changing her name to Metala Von Korach, and is killed in the final battle for the bard epic 1.5 in EQ. Upon bringing her a necklace that she gave Vhalen on one of their final anniversaries, she calls out, "You are a fool Vhalen! You send these peasants to do your dirty work, you never were much for getting your hands dirty! The path of pain is the only way to true power. I will never turn from it!" She then begins to somehow twist into a horrible, tormented vissage that attacks youl. Poor Vhalen Nostrolo, my Quellious bring peace to your spirit.

Nocturnal Aby

05-31-2006, 05:57 AM

The answers are always out there. You just need know where to look, or who to ask.

TheManInTheBox

05-31-2006, 08:45 AM

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> TheManInTheBox wrote: <div></div>Edit - Oh yes. About the lore you revealed Vhalen. You said it was too soon to reveal the name of Vhalen's love whom he lost. How about you give us another good lore fix about the story of romance you never did quite tell us all about. At the very least. I want a name. Who was she? What was she? Where did she go? <div></div> Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on 05-30-2006 04:57 PM <hr> </blockquote> Why are you asking for more information about this character when you yourself just stated that Vhalen pointed out that it was TOO SOON to learn more about her?<hr></blockquote>Ah, quoting my posts already Cusashorn? :smileyvery-happy:Perhaps I did not make my post clear enough. I wanted to hear more about the story since it had been a while since he had said it was too soon.That was a while back when he wrote that anyways... merely curiousity. Vhalen is already in-game as Thax pointed out. I forgot about that. Its been so long since I've been to that bell tower. I should make another visit sometime just to check it out for old times sake.Thanks much for the link with lore Nocturnal Abyss. Really interesting read. </div>

Tild

05-31-2006, 09:32 AM

<DIV>Theres at least one diety that has been left off this list:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mayong Mistmoore- The God of Blood, ruler of the demi plane of blood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There may be another yet, one that is terrifyingly powerful and as ancient as the Nameless himself. No evidence of him exists in either game that I am aware of, so he doesn't have a name. I'll refer to him as the Unspoken. If the Nameless is the god of creation, then the Unspoken is the god of destruction, his twin brother and antithesis. Afterall, there is balance in every other aspect of godhood, so the Unspoken may very well exist, as a very real threat to Norrath at that. This is all pure speculative logic btw. Perhaps it is he that the Priests of Discord worshiped all those centuries ago...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: Cazic-Thule, aka The Faceless and the god of Fear, is without a doubt the most prevalent god left in the pantheon, at least logically. His servents are more numerous then those of any other god, they still worship him in the temple of Cazic-Thule, despite his supposed departure. Fear is what runs and controls the new world of Norrath, fear of the uprising of the Ralosian Horde again, fear of the awakened and what they signal, and, most obvious, the fear that penetrates into the deepest reaches of Norrath's greatest two cities; Qeynos and Freeport. In Qeynos it is fear of the Overlord that drives the adventurous spirit of it's heroes and adventurers onto the greatness they reach in the name of their beloved Queen. In Freeport fear of Luclin himself drives his followers to expand his territory and reach in his terrible and fearsome campaign to conqure the Shattered Lands. Yes my friends, Cazic at least is alive and well, his presence is but an ominous tone in the distance at the moment, but that most likely will not last. When he does return, assumeing he ever left, his Age of Darkness may very well come to fruition. Assumeing we are not already living in it of course...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And, lest we forget the greatest of the gods (other then the Nameless and his possible twin) Veeshan may never have left at all. True, her presence has never really existed at all, at least not in any playable content, but who's to say that she withdrew with the others? Veeshan is haugty and terrible, and, once she had sewn the seeds of her brood, which became the most powerful mortal force Norrath has ever seen, it is said she withdrew to seek new worlds upon which to plant more of her prodginy, who, like her, most likely cannot remain away from the home of the other mortal races forever. Norrath, in the Age of Destiny, is a land fraught with peril, this we are without a doubt all aware. But the real threat to Norrath may not be an invasion by the Awakened or a resurgence of the Rallosians, instead it may be an army of Dragon-kind and their vengeful mother, poised to reclaim the world that orignially belonged to the Wyrm-Queen. After all, as the Scars of Velious atest to, she claimed this world first. It has and always will belong to the dragons.</DIV>Message Edited by Tildin on 05-30-2006 10:46 PM

Cusashorn

05-31-2006, 09:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tildin wrote: <DIV>Theres at least one diety that has been left off this list:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mayong Mistmoore- The God of Blood, ruler of the demi plane of blood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There may be another yet, one that is terrifyingly powerful and as ancient as the Nameless himself. No evidence of him exists in either game that I am aware of, so he doesn't have a name. I'll refer to him as the Unspoken. If the Nameless is the god of creation, then the Unspoken is the god of destruction, his twin brother and antithesis. Afterall, there is balance in every other aspect of godhood, so the Unspoken may very well exist, as a very real threat to Norrath at that. Perhaps it is he that the Priests of Discord worshiped all those centuries ago...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There's a reason why he was left off. HE'S NOT A GOD!

Tild

05-31-2006, 09:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tildin wrote: <DIV>Theres at least one diety that has been left off this list:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mayong Mistmoore- The God of Blood, ruler of the demi plane of blood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There may be another yet, one that is terrifyingly powerful and as ancient as the Nameless himself. No evidence of him exists in either game that I am aware of, so he doesn't have a name. I'll refer to him as the Unspoken. If the Nameless is the god of creation, then the Unspoken is the god of destruction, his twin brother and antithesis. Afterall, there is balance in every other aspect of godhood, so the Unspoken may very well exist, as a very real threat to Norrath at that. Perhaps it is he that the Priests of Discord worshiped all those centuries ago...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There's a reason why he was left off. HE'S NOT A GOD! <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <A href="http://vnboards.ign.com/board/b5001/94267221/p1?0" target=_blank>http://vnboards.ign.com/board/b5001/94267221/p1?0</A> <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=310" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=310</A> He's a god alright, a demi-god but a god none the less. No doubt that he may never appear as such in EQ2, afterall he became a god long after Norrath's new history was written, but in EQLive, he is a god.Message Edited by Tildin on 05-30-2006 10:49 PM

Mary the Prophetess

05-31-2006, 09:58 AM

Well, there is a certain fellow, (I'm all sure you are acquainted with him by now), that has been the bane of more adventurers than even the most powerful of the Eldder Elemental Gods. Indeed, some say he is as old as the Nameless himself; (though how that could be, I'm sure I don't know). He does not look like much at first glance to be sure; but do not ever judge the danger of a foe by appearances alone! He's the bloke that arranges for that Roekiklik Assassin to jump you when you are stealthed standing near a level 70 ^^^ (epic x3), or who makes sure that the trivial recipe you are crafting with a tier-6 rare has a critical failure at the last moment, and comes out less than pristine. He may not have achieved official diety status, but he is more feared than any other entity in Norrath: That's right, it's that interferring, bungling, get in your way, mess up your day, mean-spirited, nasty little Gnome, Mr. McMurphy. His laws for some reason seem to take precedence over all others. There is no rhyme or reason to it, and no avoiding it; Anything that CAN go wrong, Will go wrong; (and at the worst possible moment) Fear him.

IrishWonder

05-31-2006, 10:09 AM

<DIV>Again, I must point out an entity that we are all forgetting, and one that has undoubtetly proven time and time again that she does possess the power of a God.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That person is Matsy Rollingpin, God of Good Vittles. Why, not just once I have wandered into her tavern and heard a guest shouting, "This pie is truly divine!" or "Matsy, your blueberry muffins are so heavenly!" Once, she offered me a dish that was so good I had to ask for the recipe... of course, she replied, "I'm sorry dear... that is Angel Food Cake, and only I can make it!" All of this is hard proof that Matsy is indeed a God. I think she can even turn water into wine.</DIV>

Tild

05-31-2006, 10:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IrishWonder wrote: <DIV>Again, I must point out an entity that we are all forgetting, and one that has undoubtetly proven time and time again that she does possess the power of a God.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That person is Matsy Rollingpin, God of Good Vittles. Why, not just once I have wandered into her tavern and heard a guest shouting, "This pie is truly divine!" or "Matsy, your blueberry muffins are so heavenly!" Once, she offered me a dish that was so good I had to ask for the recipe... of course, she replied, "I'm sorry dear... that is Angel Food Cake, and only I can make it!" All of this is hard proof that Matsy is indeed a God. I think she can even turn water into wine.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> lol A truely "inspired" post.

Cusashorn

05-31-2006, 06:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tildin wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tildin wrote: <DIV>Theres at least one diety that has been left off this list:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mayong Mistmoore- The God of Blood, ruler of the demi plane of blood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There may be another yet, one that is terrifyingly powerful and as ancient as the Nameless himself. No evidence of him exists in either game that I am aware of, so he doesn't have a name. I'll refer to him as the Unspoken. If the Nameless is the god of creation, then the Unspoken is the god of destruction, his twin brother and antithesis. Afterall, there is balance in every other aspect of godhood, so the Unspoken may very well exist, as a very real threat to Norrath at that. Perhaps it is he that the Priests of Discord worshiped all those centuries ago...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There's a reason why he was left off. HE'S NOT A GOD! <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <A href="http://vnboards.ign.com/board/b5001/94267221/p1?0" target=_blank>http://vnboards.ign.com/board/b5001/94267221/p1?0</A> <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=310" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=310</A> He's a god alright, a demi-god but a god none the less. No doubt that he may never appear as such in EQ2, afterall he became a god long after Norrath's new history was written, but in EQLive, he is a god. Message Edited by Tildin on 05-30-2006 10:49 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Nope. Sorry. Doesn't work that way pal. He turned into a God in Everquest LONG AFTER Everquest 2 started, which means it does not apply to Everquest 2's storyline. He's not a god.

TheManInTheBox

05-31-2006, 06:20 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Tildin wrote: <div>Theres at least one diety that has been left off this list:</div> <div> </div> <div>Mayong Mistmoore- The God of Blood, ruler of the demi plane of blood</div> <div> </div> <div>There may be another yet, one that is terrifyingly powerful and as ancient as the Nameless himself. No evidence of him exists in either game that I am aware of, so he doesn't have a name. I'll refer to him as the Unspoken. If the Nameless is the god of creation, then the Unspoken is the god of destruction, his twin brother and antithesis. Afterall, there is balance in every other aspect of godhood, so the Unspoken may very well exist, as a very real threat to Norrath at that. Perhaps it is he that the Priests of Discord worshiped all those centuries ago...</div> <hr> </blockquote> There's a reason why he was left off. HE'S NOT A GOD!<hr></blockquote>Take a deep breath. Repeat after me... I am calm and trusting with what I believe. Take another deep breath.. Thats it.. Now Repeat after me... I may be wrong about some things and I may be right but right now I need to go watch this <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=YcWXL8jpFGs&search=guild%20wars" target=_blank>video</a> before I have a stroke on the forums. :smileytongue:</div>

05-31-2006, 08:32 PM

didn't we already establish that his plot was started well before the split? So therefore the only reason he wouldn't also be one in EQ2 is if he was prevented/failed in this time line instead of succeeding as in the EQ timeline.I mean seriously, stop telling us [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] as fact when there's no proof of it either way.<div></div>

Cusashorn

05-31-2006, 09:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhek wrote: didn't we already establish that his plot was started well before the split? So therefore the only reason he wouldn't also be one in EQ2 is if he was prevented/failed in this time line instead of succeeding as in the EQ timeline. I mean seriously, stop telling us [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] as fact when there's no proof of it either way. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> And I already established that it doesn't apply to EQ2 just because an expansion came out for the other game AFTER EQ2 was released, So just because the lore states his plot has been in motion for 1000 years now, it can't apply anyway because this information wasn't revealed untill after EQ2 already established itself. Even if his plot was in motion, he wouldn't have achieved god-hood yet because nobody has assembled a raid force in EQ2 yet to kill him and grant him his ascension.

TheManInTheBox

05-31-2006, 09:28 PM

Perhaps that was his plot. But only the developers of the game can decide if Mayong Mistmoore's plot to become a god is fact or fiction in EverQuest II's timeline. For all we know, they may like where the EverQuest developers went with it, and include it. I stand neutral with it until I see something in-game or from a developer otherwise stating if Mayong Mistmoore is a god or still just a powerful vampire... perhaps something else that happened Mayong didn't expect himself.Its very possible in EverQuest II's storyline that a raid force did assemble and defeat Mayong Mistmoore, but we have found no record of it... yet. There are a lot of things that happened in the 500 years between EverQuest, and EverQuest II that we don't know about yet. There are many tales to still left to be told.<div></div>

WarShe

05-31-2006, 10:43 PM

<DIV>Official lore follows EQ1 up until Planes of Power, so he is clearly Not a god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However I did hear mention of a Castle Mistmoore in the next expansion. but this hasnt happend yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sounds to me if it is going to happen in EQ2 it will be in our future. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my opinion though, feel free to disagree. :smileyhappy:</DIV>

Cusashorn

05-31-2006, 11:01 PM

<DIV>Yes, if he's going to become a god, then more than likely, he's GOING to become a god. It hasn't happened yet in EQ2's timeline. If he does, then he does, and end of story. Untill it happens, it hasn't happened. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.</DIV>

Pathin Merrithay

05-31-2006, 11:25 PM

Cusashorn

05-31-2006, 11:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Yes, if he's going to become a god, then more than likely, he's GOING to become a god. It hasn't happened yet in EQ2's timeline. If he does, then he does, and end of story. Untill it happens, it hasn't happened. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> How can you stick to something you have absolutely no idea about? That's not logic, that's just blind stubborness. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> True, but I have more than enough reason to believe that it hasn't happened in EQ2, nor does it even apply, even with that "1000 years ago" grandfather clause that was written into EQlive's history long after EQ2 started.

Nocturnal Aby

05-31-2006, 11:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Yes, if he's going to become a god, then more than likely, he's GOING to become a god. It hasn't happened yet in EQ2's timeline. If he does, then he does, and end of story. Untill it happens, it hasn't happened. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, if the EQ2 devs want to, they can say that he DID become a god! In fact, if they want, they can even say that it happened EXACTLY like it did in the expansion! The whole reason the devs did the <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=zebuxoruk" target=_blank>time split</A> was so they could essentially pick and choose which lore they wanted to run with. The fact that it happened AFTER PoP DOES NOT mean that it DID NOT happen. What it means is that it MIGH have happened. Seems like this shouldn't be a difficult concept. Essentially, we don't know anything for certain unless commented on by the devs. And that is the only certainty we really have. Edit: P.S. The site I used for the link is one of my favorite sources for EQ lore. It is essentially a massive library of almost all in-game books (for both EQ and EQ2).Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on 05-31-2006 12:50 PM

Pathin Merrithay

06-01-2006, 12:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <DIV>Yes, if he's going to become a god, then more than likely, he's GOING to become a god. It hasn't happened yet in EQ2's timeline. If he does, then he does, and end of story. Untill it happens, it hasn't happened. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> How can you stick to something you have absolutely no idea about? That's not logic, that's just blind stubborness. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> True, but I have more than enough reason to believe that it hasn't happened in EQ2, nor does it even apply, even with that "1000 years ago" grandfather clause that was written into EQlive's history long after EQ2 started. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Since there's been so little in regards to the exact fate of Mayong Mistmoore in EQ2, I'd be very intruigued then to know what your reasons are.

Mary the Prophetess

06-01-2006, 12:09 AM

I still think this whole time/split line is just so much 'deus ex machina', and while I understand why the developers of the new game did not want to be boxed in by what is happening in the old game, I sometimes wonder if it hasn't created as many lore problems as it has avoided.

Cusashorn

06-01-2006, 12:19 AM

Tild

06-01-2006, 12:31 AM

<DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tildin wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tildin wrote: <DIV>Theres at least one diety that has been left off this list:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mayong Mistmoore- The God of Blood, ruler of the demi plane of blood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There may be another yet, one that is terrifyingly powerful and as ancient as the Nameless himself. No evidence of him exists in either game that I am aware of, so he doesn't have a name. I'll refer to him as the Unspoken. If the Nameless is the god of creation, then the Unspoken is the god of destruction, his twin brother and antithesis. Afterall, there is balance in every other aspect of godhood, so the Unspoken may very well exist, as a very real threat to Norrath at that. Perhaps it is he that the Priests of Discord worshiped all those centuries ago...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There's a reason why he was left off. HE'S NOT A GOD! <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <A href="http://vnboards.ign.com/board/b5001/94267221/p1?0" target=_blank>http://vnboards.ign.com/board/b5001/94267221/p1?0</A> <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=310" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=310</A> He's a god alright, a demi-god but a god none the less. No doubt that he may never appear as such in EQ2, afterall he became a god long after Norrath's new history was written, but in EQLive, he is a god. Message Edited by Tildin on 05-30-2006 10:49 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Nope. Sorry. Doesn't work that way pal. He turned into a God in Everquest LONG AFTER Everquest 2 started, which means it does not apply to Everquest 2's storyline. He's not a god. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12665#M12665" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=12665#M12665</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vhalen states that it is possible that things that happened after the supposed "time split" may appear as actual cannon here in EQ2. Theres no reason why the Mayong thing may not pop up again, the devs have intentionaly remained quiet on a lot of the lore surrounding him. </DIV>

KidMangaX

06-01-2006, 01:00 AM

Ya know, if ya really think about it, they should really make library areas for this kind of thing. I mean wouldn't it be great to walk into the academy of arcane sciences and read a book about how BROTHER Estle is a GUY. Im serious...that would answer alot of questions and make for some great content.

KidMangaX

06-01-2006, 01:30 AM

Xegony = Godess of air Xegonite = rare ore found in kingdom of sky maybe xegonites a holy ore?

Sarago

06-01-2006, 03:59 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>Rawq wrote:<div></div><div></div>Yes, in lue of Veeshan's departure (along with the other gods), the droag, as well as many dragons have taken to making Kerafyrm into a deity.I don't think anyone exactly knows where Kerafyrm is at the moment, and for that we should probably be glad. If we look at how strong Nagafen has become since the shattering, we would shudder to think what Kerafyrm is like these days.Kerafyrm is also completely insane, a defect of his mixxed blood, that unfortunately is the problem with prismatic dragons. In EQ1 it was forbidden for dragons of opposing alignments to mate, in fear of a prismataic being born. Well, it happened anyways.. the mating of Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen resulted in the birth of Kerafyrm, as well as the subsequent exile of both Vox and Nagafen after they were summarily expelled from the Ring of Scale. Dragon law prohibits a dragon from killing another dragon, and so Kerafyrm was left alive, and upon seeing his terrible power they actually made him the general of their armies if I recall, and he was heralded as a champion of dragonkind.But that was all fairly short-lived, as Kerafyrm became increasingly violent and unstable. Eventually he became so unstable that they had to take great measures to put him to sleep and seal him away in what was known as the Sleeper's Tomb in EQ1. However, in EQ1 mortals could slay various dragons, and get their talismans, and make their way into the Sleeper's Tomb... and upon killing the warders that guarded the sleeping monster, he would awake, slaughter the raid, and then run around norrath wreaking complete havoc. It was a very exciting thing to see!!! Also, various dragons around Norrath would panic, or shout exultantly upon this event taking place...probably the most memorable moment for me in EQ1. Sure, you couldn't farm the warders anymore, but hey...was worth it for Kerafyrm's rampage!One server (RZ, wasn't it?) never woke him in Velious, and wound up doing so much later and actually killed him...but if you remember some of the fun with the GM's over that, then you know that he wasn't really supposed to be killed (didn't drop anything once they were allowed to kill him, if I recall). It was a long time ago, and I didn't play on RZ so the exact details of that event elude me, but the gist of it is that the designers didn't really plan on him being killed, as it kind of messes with the plotline.<div></div>Message Edited by Rawq on 05-26-2006 11:37 AM<hr></blockquote>Actually that is wrong.. Naggy and Vox didn't birth the Sleeper. They were trying to create their own Prismatic, which is why they were seperated. Vox in fact had an egg she was trying to get to Naggy to fertilize but I don't think it ever happened.. </div>

Cusashorn

06-01-2006, 07:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saragoth wrote: <DIV> Actually that is wrong.. Naggy and Vox didn't birth the Sleeper. They were trying to create their own Prismatic, which is why they were seperated. Vox in fact had an egg she was trying to get to Naggy to fertilize but I don't think it ever happened.. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yep. It's been stated time and again that Dozekar is the father and the mother has never been mentioned.

Jindrack

06-02-2006, 01:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote: I still think this whole time/split line is just so much 'deus ex machina', and while I understand why the developers of the new game did not want to be boxed in by what is happening in the old game, I sometimes wonder if it hasn't created as many lore problems as it has avoided. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm curious about what lore problems the timeline diversion has created? Granted, you don't have access to the entire big picture, but I'm not aware of any major, or even minor, lore problems such a split has created. If there are some we'd like to clear them up if possible. With two simultaneous games in production sharing the same world the split needed to occur to allow both projects to evolve on their own with their storylines and world events. This allows us to go down roads that EQLive doesn't have to follow as well as let EQLive evolve however they like without feeling contrained to leave certain things alone because EQ2 has stated what has happened in the future. If EQLive never wants the War of the Fay to occur they don't have to. They don't feel constrained to have to play that out in the future. If EQLive makes an expansion or event that destroys Lucan or the Bayle blood line we don't have to come up with a retroactive reason why they still appear in the future of Norrath. I believe we also picked a diversion point that makes pretty good sense. If Druzzil Ro decides to roll back time in the very center of the Plane of Time itself it should cause certain unforseen events to occur.

Ama

06-02-2006, 02:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote: I still think this whole time/split line is just so much 'deus ex machina', and while I understand why the developers of the new game did not want to be boxed in by what is happening in the old game, I sometimes wonder if it hasn't created as many lore problems as it has avoided. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm curious about what lore problems the timeline diversion has created? Granted, you don't have access to the entire big picture, but I'm not aware of any major, or even minor, lore problems such a split has created. If there are some we'd like to clear them up if possible. With two simultaneous games in production sharing the same world the split needed to occur to allow both projects to evolve on their own with their storylines and world events. This allows us to go down roads that EQLive doesn't have to follow as well as let EQLive evolve however they like without feeling contrained to leave certain things alone because EQ2 has stated what has happened in the future. If EQLive never wants the War of the Fay to occur they don't have to. They don't feel constrained to have to play that out in the future. If EQLive makes an expansion or event that destroys Lucan or the Bayle blood line we don't have to come up with a retroactive reason why they still appear in the future of Norrath. I believe we also picked a diversion point that makes pretty good sense. If Druzzil Ro decides to roll back time in the very center of the Plane of Time itself it should cause certain unforseen events to occur. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Well one thing you do have to admit Jindrack is that when any new EverQuest game comes out that game must develope its own lore within the EverQuest realm. That lore being along the lines of a story arc as well as having conflicting information in order to be a proper game. :smileywink: *Atleast thats my take on it*

Cusashorn

06-02-2006, 02:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote: I still think this whole time/split line is just so much 'deus ex machina', and while I understand why the developers of the new game did not want to be boxed in by what is happening in the old game, I sometimes wonder if it hasn't created as many lore problems as it has avoided. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm curious about what lore problems the timeline diversion has created? Granted, you don't have access to the entire big picture, but I'm not aware of any major, or even minor, lore problems such a split has created. If there are some we'd like to clear them up if possible. With two simultaneous games in production sharing the same world the split needed to occur to allow both projects to evolve on their own with their storylines and world events. This allows us to go down roads that EQLive doesn't have to follow as well as let EQLive evolve however they like without feeling contrained to leave certain things alone because EQ2 has stated what has happened in the future. If EQLive never wants the War of the Fay to occur they don't have to. They don't feel constrained to have to play that out in the future. If EQLive makes an expansion or event that destroys Lucan or the Bayle blood line we don't have to come up with a retroactive reason why they still appear in the future of Norrath. I believe we also picked a diversion point that makes pretty good sense. If Druzzil Ro decides to roll back time in the very center of the Plane of Time itself it should cause certain unforseen events to occur. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah but there lies the problem for this one occasion. EQlive introduced a series of events who's lore stated that Mayong Mistmoore moved to his new residence below Nektulos Forest over 1000 years ago, and as part of that expansion pack in Everquest, he became a God when players finally defeated him. This expansion pack was released, and there-for happens, After the 500 year time split takes place. It's my oppinion that just because it says his plan started a thousand years ago, doesn't mean it's suppose to apply to EQ2, especially since it didn't happen untill after EQ2 started.

Thax

06-02-2006, 03:36 AM

So where are all of the specifics Jindtrack asked for? I figured people would be jumping all over this thread with proven conflicts the way people around here talk.

Mary the Prophetess

06-02-2006, 04:20 AM

I think what Cusashorn is saying is that although the EQLive expansion came out after EQ2 was released, the back story line for that expansion happens before the events of EQ2 happen, and before the time split; therefore, (supposedly) recquiring that back story line be incorporated as a part of EQ2's background. I certainly don't see this as a major prblem, but what will happen when the next generation of EQ games comes out (if they ever do)? There will have to be some other mechanism that allows for their developers to remain unfettered by the events of the previous games etc. What we are talking about is the balancing of the practical design needs of each game with the integretiy and solidarity of Norrath as a fantasy millieu, and of players to suspend disbelief and 'buy in', (so to speak), to the expalnations as to exactly why one game is following a different time-line than the other. From a personal point of view, I think the mechanism chosen stretches believability, though does not necessarily break it. And in truth, I do not really see how some sort of 'plot device' could have been avoided, and still have kept the two games independant. The one chosen is as good as any I suppose. /shrugs But that's just my own opinion, and I am sure the vast majority of players may disgaree. Indeed, probably the vast majority of players don't really care one way or the other, or are even aware of the time divergence.

SageGaspar

06-02-2006, 05:11 AM

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Jindrack wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Mary the Prophetess wrote: I still think this whole time/split line is just so much 'deus ex machina', and while I understand why the developers of the new game did not want to be boxed in by what is happening in the old game, I sometimes wonder if it hasn't created as many lore problems as it has avoided. <hr> </blockquote> I'm curious about what lore problems the timeline diversion has created? Granted, you don't have access to the entire big picture, but I'm not aware of any major, or even minor, lore problems such a split has created. If there are some we'd like to clear them up if possible. With two simultaneous games in production sharing the same world the split needed to occur to allow both projects to evolve on their own with their storylines and world events. This allows us to go down roads that EQLive doesn't have to follow as well as let EQLive evolve however they like without feeling contrained to leave certain things alone because EQ2 has stated what has happened in the future. If EQLive never wants the War of the Fay to occur they don't have to. They don't feel constrained to have to play that out in the future. If EQLive makes an expansion or event that destroys Lucan or the Bayle blood line we don't have to come up with a retroactive reason why they still appear in the future of Norrath. I believe we also picked a diversion point that makes pretty good sense. If Druzzil Ro decides to roll back time in the very center of the Plane of Time itself it should cause certain unforseen events to occur. <hr> </blockquote> Yeah but there lies the problem for this one occasion. EQlive introduced a series of events who's lore stated that Mayong Mistmoore moved to his new residence below Nektulos Forest over 1000 years ago, and as part of that expansion pack in Everquest, he became a God when players finally defeated him. This expansion pack was released, and there-for happens, After the 500 year time split takes place. It's my oppinion that just because it says his plan started a thousand years ago, doesn't mean it's suppose to apply to EQ2, especially since it didn't happen untill after EQ2 started.<hr size="2" width="100%"></blockquote>There's ways to rationalize it so that it both did and didn't happen, got interrupted by the Rending, etc, etc. There's no way for us to know until they release an expansion that deals with Mayong. If it turns out to create some sort of weird time paradox in a situation like this, then we'll rationalize it as some sort of protonic megaflux in the temporal flow. Trust me, I've seen Trekkies do it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>Message Edited by SageGaspar on 06-01-2006 09:16 PM

Cusashorn

06-02-2006, 06:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote: I think what Cusashorn is saying is that although the EQLive expansion came out after EQ2 was released, the back story line for that expansion happens before the events of EQ2 happen, and before the time split; therefore, (supposedly) recquiring that back story line be incorporated as a part of EQ2's background. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, I DONT want it incorporated into EQ2's timeline. We've barely had much interaction with Mayong as a vampire in EQlive. Let him stay a vampire, and not have any goals to try to become a god. Find something else to do. I'd be cool with them introducing him into EQ2 with new goals that aren't related to EQlive. Just not the whole "Kill me so I can become a god" thing.

Nocturnal Aby

06-02-2006, 08:35 AM

<DIV>Uh, she's not saying you do, Cusa, she's saying that in the present scenerio, the conflict that arises from the "time split" is as she layed it out, she was essentially paraphrasing, and supporting your position:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>According to an expansion that came out after the time split, plans that had been worked upon since before the time split finally come to fruition, resulting in this problem: Which do we follow? The story written for the design of an expansion, or the lore we have that predates (at least for us) the expansion?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now here's the important part:</DIV> <DIV>We do not know. Why? Because, with the scenario they set up, the developers have the choice to go either way, or even some third option that some of us might not have even considered yet. We will only know for certain when we are told. Until then, this whole argument is pointless.</DIV> <DIV>The devs even have the power to go totally off their rocker and do something totally different (Gates of Discord/Omens of War style). Squabbling over whether Mayong has become a god or not is simply a waste of time and board space.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That being said, because we DO NOT know if the devs have chosen to make Mayong a god, I will not be adding him to any of my own lists until I know for a fact.</DIV>

Mary the Prophetess

06-02-2006, 08:58 AM

<DIV>Cusa, that is what I was trying to say, albeit somewhat clumsily.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When you start getting into time issues, you are just asking for paradoxes. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What other type of 'plot mechanism', (could've, would've, should've), been used to get a separation of the two games is just Monday morning quarterbacking; (and I admit to being as guilty as any in that regard).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It HAD to be done--(somehow). I may not be fully satisfied with the way it was decided to do it, but I doubt I could have done any better; (probably a lot worse)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That being said, I know that I, for one, wanted the Norrath of EQ2 to be the SAME Norrath I left; (just 500 years later). I was not really expecting, nor am fully satisfied with an alternative, parallel Norrath (500 years later).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, what's done is done, and I will have to adjust.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But how many times can the history of Norrath be split before it just does not hold any credibility any longer? For me, (personally), the answer is ZERO more times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on 06-02-2006 12:02 AM

Straylig

06-02-2006, 05:34 PM

The answer is quite obvious:At some point...somewhere...there was a transporter malfunction.

Sartredes

06-02-2006, 06:08 PM

I'm of the train of thought, that Mayong may have become a deity, but without in-game evidence (or out-of-game dev confirmation) it's impossible to definitively say. The whole time-line split does make it difficult to say what has happened since the split though, as anything that occured in EQLive post-split may have happened in the post-split. The Words of Zeb states how at first the timelines differed a little at first and only later started to really diverge. The thing is, there's no point of reference on when the more extreme divergence occurred or to know what those little differences were early on. If a post-PoP event in EQLive was in no significant way the effect of the events that occurred in or because of PoP, then it seems more likely to have occurred but not assuredly so. I tend to believe the Omens of War/Gates of Discord event happened due to some mention of the closing of the gate to Discord, but I am, unfortunatly, not familiar enough with those expansions to know what the "end-game" event in those expansions were. As for the other EQ expansions go, /shrug, until I'm told by a dev or see/hear evidence in-game that they happened, I'll assume they didn't.

juli

06-02-2006, 06:24 PM

Wow.... Koma I am so proud of you! What a great thread! Thanks to all for all the great diety info... and as a bonus now Koma and I have the evidence we need to prove that Vennom really ISN'T a god! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

06-03-2006, 02:20 AM

<div><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote> <div></div><blockquote><hr> Cusashorn wrote: <div></div> HE'S NOT A GOD! <hr> </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>We DON'T KNOW that, and YOU don't know that. IF he's a god then it already happened in the eq2 line, we just don't know about it. "They wont. I stand firm and confidant that Sony would never break the foundation lore behind EQ2 like that." about the gods reminds me exactly of this event. You didn't know, and we didn't know, only the devs did, but you continued to tell us and fight about what was an opinion. The quote up top, is not stated as on opinion.anyway, in light of this social retardation, my OPINION, is that it's very possible for Mayong to be a god, DESPITE what anyone that's NOT a dev might insist is the 100% absolute truth.What I *really* want to know though is how the choices of gods will be layed out? Will everyone get to choose every god or will there be restrictions on race/class/city like in EQ?</div>

FrostDragon

06-03-2006, 01:50 PM

Well Ol Mistmoore was good almost mythical figure that was almost a god anyway in eqlive. Not up on lore made in last few years but He was a Figure that almost no one had ever seen since the zone was bugged and the only way he could spawn was if a Gm agreed to playing him. If you looked at all the factions that increased or decreased around Norrath you see that he was as powerful as the whole Ring of Scale faction. He has no origin story. Ultra powerful in the pre Kunark era. He also dropped one of the most unique items of the time. The Claw of Veeshen which granted the holder the title OF THE CLAW to their name back in the pre kunark era. This item was 1 to the server and was more rare that the rubacite armor or the moss twig. No story as told how he got this more holy of Wyrmqueen artifacts. on GODs I worry about will it be even this time on the deities. the Wyrmqueen(Veeshen) could only be followed by bards and was ignored out side of a human racial armor and a totum. And every bard quest was kill all the dragons to get... I was a RolePlayer Bard of Veeshen ... the Epic was not even an option. the Imbue was not a spell but harvestible shards from a high end zone needing a high lvl potter to bake into a stone that I could then craft into low end armor using highest lvl human smithing. Added 3 years later Prexus - only erutites could follow and again other then at character creation this meant nothing and would hurt you later for player made gear added 2 years later Sol Ro no Clerics they had to add a spell to int casters to imbue holy items. added 2 years later BTW how can DoF be all sand if it was a forest that was turned into a Desert by a God curse? EQ1 failed to address short comings of the Deity system and openly ignored the players on conserns on deities. Eq2 better be complete on this issue this time I dont care to wait 3 years for a Bone like EQ1.

iceriven2

06-03-2006, 08:34 PM

<blockquote><hr>FrostDragon wrote: BTW how can DoF be all sand if it was a forest that was turned into a Desert by a God curse? EQ1 failed to address short comings of the Deity system and openly ignored the players on conserns on deities. Eq2 better be complete on this issue this time I dont care to wait 3 years for a Bone like EQ1.<hr></blockquote> Unlike the other stuff the Gods did, the Elddar forest was destroyed my a "Natural cuase." Solasek raised a set of Mts that inturn changed the weather system and that in turn made the forest dry up. Just to take some real world examples there are several deserts in the world with a Mt range next too it. If the Mts are too high the moisture gets released before the clouds can go over the Mts hence leavin the other side dry.

FrostDragon

06-04-2006, 02:50 AM

good point Ice. But Earth aka mountians was the realm of Brell and Rathe council. Ro was Fire which would have meant that whole mountian range from Innie swamp to highpass was made by S Ro with volcanos followers Earth: rathe council deity Brell made Roeli#### , Gnolls, Dwarves Gnomes and Ratonga, racial Air: Xegony deity Veeshen(sky) made dragons (xegony is credited with Griffons and Pegasus) racial plus bards water: prexes 3 sub deities E'ci Povar ##### made kedge racial plus erudites and sailors Fire : RO and sub deity S RO cursed Tunare's Elves Wizards and npc priests All were the neutral deities and the main of the elementals answered to Nameless The rest of the deities were love peace disease honor war plague nightmares hate fear...... lesser gods and demi gods

Mary the Prophetess

06-04-2006, 06:57 AM

Just to take some real world examples there are several deserts in the world with a Mt range next too it. If the Mts are too high the moisture gets released before the clouds can go over the Mts hence leavin the other side dry. I live in Yuma, Arizona. The temperature today was 113 degrees; [but it's a dry heat]. Yeah, right; it will get over 115 next month, it always does.

Nocturnal Aby

06-04-2006, 08:26 AM

The effect described is what is called a "rain shadow." There are two major (three in a few places) areas on the western side of the continental United States that are great examples of this phenomenon. The first occurs with the coastal ranges (these ranges criss cross back and forth, sometimes forming one range, sometimes forming two). As cool, moisture laden air comes off the ocean, it's pushed up the western face of the coastal range, as it rises, it gets cooler, and more dense, causing it to rain. Once over the peaks, it can fall back down, but there isn't as large a chance for rain, since it got rid of a lot of moisture coming over the hills. One of the best examples is with the Sierra Nevada range, the whole central valley of California is irrigated with water that falls from the clouds (air), as they try to get over the Sierra Nevada range, so that there is almost no moisture left by the time it gets to Nevada, knock down the Sierra Nevadas, and you'd have plains from Bakersfield CA, all the way to the foothills of the Rockies. /ends earth science lesson I mean, err, the Serpent Spine didn't seem volcanic, as there were massive tunnels in them made by the Rujarkian goblin tribes, and the orcs that came along later. Edited for grammer errors, I know I didn't get all of them.Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on 06-03-2006 09:30 PM

Teksun

06-07-2006, 06:34 PM

You guys are thinking to linear concerning EQ qnd EQ2. Once the EQ2 universe was created, we became a seperate universe. Nothing that happens in EQL will have any effect on us, and nothing that they add to EQ2 will have any effect on THAT game. We are simply a different dimension that had a common start...<div></div>

Cusashorn

06-07-2006, 06:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teksun wrote: You guys are thinking to linear concerning EQ qnd EQ2. Once the EQ2 universe was created, we became a seperate universe. Nothing that happens in EQL will have any effect on us, and nothing that they add to EQ2 will have any effect on THAT game. We are simply a different dimension that had a common start... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Thats what I've been saying all along... for the most part.

06-10-2006, 11:27 AM

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Teksun wrote:You guys are thinking to linear concerning EQ qnd EQ2. Once the EQ2 universe was created, we became a seperate universe. Nothing that happens in EQL will have any effect on us, and nothing that they add to EQ2 will have any effect on THAT game. We are simply a different dimension that had a common start...<div></div><hr></blockquote>Try again. It's a seperate universe to be sure but that doesn't mean that NOTHING that happens in EQL will have any effect on us. It just means that the EQ2 devs have a choice of it having an effect on us. So yes, Mayong becoming a god in EQL might not have an effect on EQ2, or maybe it will. We don't know, you don't know, no one but the devs can decide. You all need to stop acting like you know what the devs are going to do.Edit: Evidence, Gukta is taken back and the frogloks scattered from it as part of the lore of EQ2 in the Tome of Destiny. LoY occured after PoP so by your statement that entire entry was a lie. <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_06" target=_blank>The fall of Gukta</a> as written in the Tome of Destiny, the ultimate official of EQ2 lore. If nothing that happens in EQL after the EQ2 time split off (the end of PoP) then how were the frogloks there, in what was still being called Gukta, saying things like "By the sacred name of marr..." while the 2nd Rallosian Army formed up to take them down?</div>Message Edited by Zhek on 06-10-2006 04:03 AM

Cusashorn

06-10-2006, 04:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhek wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teksun wrote: You guys are thinking to linear concerning EQ qnd EQ2. Once the EQ2 universe was created, we became a seperate universe. Nothing that happens in EQL will have any effect on us, and nothing that they add to EQ2 will have any effect on THAT game. We are simply a different dimension that had a common start... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Try again. It's a seperate universe to be sure but that doesn't mean that NOTHING that happens in EQL will have any effect on us. It just means that the EQ2 devs have a choice of it having an effect on us. So yes, Mayong becoming a god in EQL might not have an effect on EQ2, or maybe it will. We don't know, you don't know, no one but the devs can decide. You all need to stop acting like you know what the devs are going to do. Edit: Evidence, Gukta is taken back and the frogloks scattered from it as part of the lore of EQ2 in the Tome of Destiny. LoY occured after PoP so by your statement that entire entry was a lie. <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_06" target=_blank>The fall of Gukta</A> as written in the Tome of Destiny, the ultimate official of EQ2 lore. If nothing that happens in EQL after the EQ2 time split off (the end of PoP) then how were the frogloks there, in what was still being called Gukta, saying things like "By the sacred name of marr..." while the 2nd Rallosian Army formed up to take them down? </DIV> Message Edited by Zhek on 06-10-200604:03 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Strictly for the record, the Plane of Time was not first beaten untill July of 2003. Legacy of Ykesha came out in February of 2003, which makes the existance of Gukta valid. Granted, a while back after EQ2 started, the trolls took over Gukta and reclaimed it as thier own Grobb, but that event was always planned from the start and wasn't influenced by EQ2's story.