Creation of Orcs

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV>I was hoping someone out there might be able to tell me more about the Creation of the orcs.  I know that Vallon and/or Tallon created them, and that there ARE female orcs out there, and their absence has something to do with Sullon.  I was wondering how they have been multiplying since the absence of the females, and even moreso, what the story of their creation is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is Vhalen's comment on the female of the species:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=9334&query.id=0#M9334" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=9334&query.id=0#M9334</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>The orcs have gotten ahold of necromantic arts they never had before. There is a large story behind the trading of dark arts secrets within the orc empires. Clues have been presented, but the story has yet to begin.</P> <P>I noticed a post on this thread mentioned a lack of female orcs amongst the orc empires. There is a large story behind this as well. I am not sure we will ever tell you this tale, but the orcs are well aware of the lack of females their armies. We have placed hints and may someday reveal a bit about this. Sullon Zek plays a part in the story of lack of orc females. Here's a bit from my personal library. Vhalen's mad libs!</P> <P><SPAN>Sullon Zek is the patron deity of ______ orcs. Those orcs are ______ and have paid homage to her since the birth of the orc race. Sullon Zek was displeased with the ill concern of the entire Hall of Zek when their ______ abandoned ________. Her intense displeasure led to a revolt within the Plane of War that lasted nearly a decade. Her ferocity and vengeful rage ironically earned her the respect of Rallos Zek. She was appointed a seat among the generals of Zek, but in order to remind her of who was the master, Rallos Zek horrifically scarred one side of the face of the beautiful Sullon Zek</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></P> <HR> </SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:54 AM</span>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocturnal Abyss wrote:<BR> <DIV>I was hoping someone out there might be able to tell me more about the Creation of the orcs.  I know that Vallon and/or Tallon created them, and that there ARE female orcs out there, and their absence has something to do with Sullon.  I was wondering how they have been multiplying since the absence of the females, and even moreso, what the story of their creation is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is Vhalen's comment on the female of the species:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=9334&query.id=0#M9334" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=9334&query.id=0#M9334</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>The orcs have gotten ahold of necromantic arts they never had before. There is a large story behind the trading of dark arts secrets within the orc empires. Clues have been presented, but the story has yet to begin.</P> <P>I noticed a post on this thread mentioned a lack of female orcs amongst the orc empires. There is a large story behind this as well. I am not sure we will ever tell you this tale, but the orcs are well aware of the lack of females their armies. We have placed hints and may someday reveal a bit about this. Sullon Zek plays a part in the story of lack of orc females. Here's a bit from my personal library. Vhalen's mad libs!</P> <P><SPAN>Sullon Zek is the patron deity of ______ orcs. Those orcs are ______ and have paid homage to her since the birth of the orc race. Sullon Zek was displeased with the ill concern of the entire Hall of Zek when their ______ abandoned ________. Her intense displeasure led to a revolt within the Plane of War that lasted nearly a decade. Her ferocity and vengeful rage ironically earned her the respect of Rallos Zek. She was appointed a seat among the generals of Zek, but in order to remind her of who was the master, Rallos Zek horrifically scarred one side of the face of the beautiful Sullon Zek</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></P> <HR> </SPAN></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on <SPAN class=date_text>05-26-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>05:54 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well i'm quite curious of when the curse upon the orcs was lifted giving them intelligence beyond what they had.  EQOA is said to take place 500 years before EQ1 and when I was in EQ1 I saw Orcs that were shaman types, warrior types with a few scattered ones with more power than those but they were named orcs. </P> <P>Orcs in EQOA time may have been dumb acting on basic instinct that they had learned over time and during the passage of time may have had that curse upon their minds lifted.  Thus we see the powerful orcs that we see today such as Grozmag with our Fateful Shield quest in the war torn land of Zek.<BR></P>

[Nocturnal Aby]

I think it would be fairly safe to say that the curse on the orcs was lifted around the same time as the curse on the ogres was lifted, and for the same reasons.

[Creppie]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Amana wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Nocturnal Abyss wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <div>I was hoping someone out there might be able to tell me more about the Creation of the orcs.  I know that Vallon and/or Tallon created them, and that there ARE female orcs out there, and their absence has something to do with Sullon.  I was wondering how they have been multiplying since the absence of the females, and even moreso, what the story of their creation is.</div> <div> </div> <div>Here is Vhalen's comment on the female of the species:</div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=9334&query.id=0#M9334" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=9334&query.id=0#M9334</a></div> <div> </div> <div> <hr> </div> <div> </div> <div> <p>The orcs have gotten ahold of necromantic arts they never had before. There is a large story behind the trading of dark arts secrets within the orc empires. Clues have been presented, but the story has yet to begin.</p> <p>I noticed a post on this thread mentioned a lack of female orcs amongst the orc empires. There is a large story behind this as well. I am not sure we will ever tell you this tale, but the orcs are well aware of the lack of females their armies. We have placed hints and may someday reveal a bit about this. Sullon Zek plays a part in the story of lack of orc females. Here's a bit from my personal library. Vhalen's mad libs!</p> <p><span>Sullon Zek is the patron deity of <font color="#ff0000">Female</font> orcs. Those orcs are <font color="#ff0000">Imortal</font> and have paid homage to her since the birth of the orc race. Sullon Zek was displeased with the ill concern of the entire Hall of Zek when their <font color="#ff0000">council</font> abandoned <font color="#ff0000">Norath</font>. Her intense displeasure led to a revolt within the Plane of War that lasted nearly a decade. Her ferocity and vengeful rage ironically earned her the respect of Rallos Zek. She was appointed a seat among the generals of Zek, but in order to remind her of who was the master, Rallos Zek horrifically scarred one side of the face of the beautiful Sullon Zek</span></p> <p><span></span></p> <hr> </div> <p>Message Edited by Nocturnal Abyss on <span class="date_text">05-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:54 AM</span></p> <hr> </blockquote></blockquote></div><p>Message Edited by Creppie on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:24 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<P>Creppie it's just a mad lib.. not appropriate to just copy and paste like that.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>That said, Orcs were just created by Rallos Zek just like how he created giants, goblins, and ogres.</P> <P>He just made them and that's as far as history states.</P>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<P>Thought I remembered reading something, and I found it, I am still hoping Vhalen or another dev can shed some more light on their creation, though.</P> <P>And although the last two look like they might fit...I don't think that Sullon made the she-orcs immortal...the rest of it looks very plausible.  Wish Vhalen would have just given it to us straight.</P> <P>Anyways, from the L&L book Orc Society:</P> <HR> <P></P> <P>The orcs are all devout followers of the beliefs of Rallos Zek, but they have been visited by and learned of their direct relation to the god of tactics, Tallon Zek.<BR><BR>Tallon Zek is the first orc, supreme hero, lord of tactics, giver of conquest and it is he who gave a part of himself so that the supreme god of war, Rallos Zek, could deliver the orc race upon the surface of Norrath. Rallos Zek deconstructed Tallon Zek and pulled from him the seeds that gave birth to the orc race.<BR><BR>Through visions and some claim divine presence, Tallon Zek has shared this knowledge with the orcs. The orcs now have temples to Tallon Zek within their empire, while still honoring the true art of war- Rallos Zek.</P> <HR> <P></P> <P> </P> <P>This question is linked to my research on all the deities of Norrath, right now I'm on Tallon, and was curious if Vallon had anything to do with their creation as well.  What inspired Rallos to create the orcs?  He had already made giants and ogres, why did he use Tallon?</P>

[Florebo]

<DIV>"Creppie it's just a mad lib.. not appropriate to just copy and paste like that."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whats inappropriate about copying and pasting a previous post?</DIV>

[Zh]

<div><blockquote><hr>Floreborn wrote:<div></div> <div>"Creppie it's just a mad lib.. not appropriate to just copy and paste like that."</div> <div> </div> <div>Whats inappropriate about copying and pasting a previous post?</div><hr></blockquote>He posted the same exact thing in the other thread, copied and pasted it here again as well</div>

[xbraindeadx]

Rallos Zek, The WarlordHe created Orcs, Giants, Ogres, and Goblins..They used to be humongous, like as big as mountains, and Rallos Zek led themim a great war against all of Norrath in a quest to gain ultimate power.They were succeeding greatly, nobody could stand up to them, they were just too great.  The Gods grew very nervous of Rallos Zek's growing power so they cursed the Ogres, Giants, Ogres and GoblinsShattering them into mere fraction of what they once were.  So you could imagin how large these creatures wereI would estimate that Goblins were as large as Giants are now, and you can just imaginehow large Giants must have been.  Anyway, the Orcs and others all became "mortal" so to speakand they where pushed back and just sort of became regular everydaymonsters I think, now they are nothing special, just distant memories of their huge behemoth ancestors..Hope this helps, a little...<div></div>