Whistling Fist Clan

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>Can anyone tell me a little about them?</DIV>

[TheManInTheBox]

<font face="Comic Sans MS">They are mentioned in the Monk Epic Quest 1.0 - </font><p><i>Hail Brother Qwinn. </i></p><p><i>Brother Qwinn says 'In the name of the [Brotherhood of the Lost Circle] I greet you. </i></p><p><i>What is the Brotherhood of the Lost Circle? </i></p><p><i>Brother Qwinn says 'The [Monks of the Whistling Fist] are called the Lost Circle by others. We are an ancient league of monks. Long forgotten and few remaining. Within this realm there are only two. I and [Brother Zephyl]. We seek the items stolen from us. I seek the [Code of Zan Fi]. </i></p><p><i>What is the Code of Zan Fi? </i></p><p><i>Brother Qwinn says 'The tome called the Code of the Whistling Fist has been stolen from me. It contains many secrets pertaining to our brotherhood. Thankfully it is magically locked and only a Zan Fi master could unlock it. I quest for a monk to retrieve it. Would you be an [interested monk]. </i></p><p><i>I am an interested monk! </i></p><i>Brother Qwinn says 'Then venture into the depths beyond the great Solusek Mining Company. There, living among the Kobolds, will be Targin the Rock.Get the book from him and return here and wait for my reappearance. When we meet again you shall hand me the book and a Purple Headband earned from the Silent Fist Clan. Do so and you shall be closer to joining the brotherhood</i><font face="Comic Sans MS">Sorry, I'm kind of sleepy at the moment, but I am sure our forum lore experts will be more than happy to add anything additional.</font><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Whistling Fist Clan and the Ashen Order are two of the oldest monk clans in existance. Both existed long before the Iksar formed the Swifttail clan.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/robequest.htm" target=_blank>Not much is terribly known</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/whistlefist.htm" target=_blank>about the Whistling Fist clan other</A> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/monkepicquest.htm" target=_blank>than what is mentioned in the Monk Epic.</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Read those links. All 3 of them.</DIV>

[Ra]

<div></div><div></div>The Whistling Fist is also tied in to the Zebuxoruk storyline from the end of PoP, and the new adventure pack comming out involving the lands and people of the city once known as Tanaan.  If memory serves (and it usualy doesn't)...The Whistling Fist was established after all the timetravel mumbo jumbo at the end of POP, in which you freed Zebuxoruk.  I believe he established the clan and entrusted them with the Codex, in which some of Zebuxoruk's knowledge is stored.  Basically you travel back in time to the Plane of Time, kill Quarm, and then freed Zebuxoruk... he then took off and made the whistling fist and shared with them some of the knowledge for which he had been imprisoned.... the plotline here gets pretty messed up, with Druzzil Ro sending you back in time before you freed Zebuxoruk, and then there's some split in the timeline to provide a universe for EQ1 to exist, and another for EQ2 to exist...basically I think in one universe he was freed, and in the other he wasn't..or something to that effect.... I think EQ2 exists in the universe in which he was freed, and his knowledge shared with mankind (whistling fist), and it all ended up resulting in the gods leaving...which is why the gods feared his knowledge, and thus the reason they had imprisoned him in the first place.If someone has more information regarding the events at the end of POP please fill in the blanks in my memory.. I wasn't really playing for lore at the time of POP, and ignored probably 90% of the dialog involved with the POP plot... I know that's a total waste...but things like "you find a tiny note on Grummus, and for no reason whatsoever you think Mithaniel Marr might be able to read it!" kind of turned me off to that whole plotline.  Also, I retired after POP, so the events thereafter are unknown to me for the most part...something about invaders from the plane of discord or somesuch thing... I think all of those events are what Zebuxoruk was warning of.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Rawq on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 AM</span>

[Zh]

The monk epic 1.0 that is the only information on The Whistling Fists was established long before PoP was thought of being made. The Whistling Fists were established, as said above, long before the swifttail caste of the Iksar. I'm really confused how it would be possible for it to exist a long time before the events of PoP, but be made by Zeb at the end of the story? I thought the whole plane of time thing was you entered, you killed quarm and freed Zeb, and then Druzzil Ro said "screw that" and sent you back in time to before you entered the plane. Not that the whole plane itself was back in time when you entered it. As it seems to me the plane itself would be timeless.<blockquote><hr>Rawq wrote:<div></div><div></div>I think EQ2 exists in the universe in which he was freed, and his knowledge shared with mankind (whistling fist), and it all ended up resulting in the gods leaving...<hr></blockquote>But if this were true, then the Whistling Fist Clan would not have existed at all in EQ1, ever.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Nah. The Whistling Fist clan has nothing to do with PoP. I know this much for sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They existed long before PoP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fallen Dynasty lore says they exist in the city of Tanaan. (Plane of Knowledge is *NEW TANAAN*)</DIV>

[Ra]

<div></div>http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?setview=features&loadFeature=651&gameID=2&bhcp=1I agree, they existed LONG before POP... but I also mentioned that whole timetravel bit...in which case you went way back in time and freed Zebuxoruk.. and he created the whistling fists... way back in time...long before we discovered Kunark... and long before the swiftails were created..yes.  See the link above for the connecting story.  I'm not claiming that it makes any sense, but its the current rationale for the differences in the universe of EQ2 and EQ1...  I was playing EQ1 from near the beginning, and know the whistling fists were around long before POP was even an idea.. but Verant went bye-bye, and plotlines got changed, and the Zebuxoruk plotline at the end of POP seems more or less a way of tying to the old lore.. like Tanaan (the city of rumor for the original lore, that was said to honor (not worship) Zebuxoruk the ungod), and the Whistling Fists Clan as well.  But yes, there are some logic gaps (i.e. how does the Whistling Fist clan exist in the world in which Zebuxoruk didn't get freed?).. but I'm thinking that most of those are going to be painted over with time travel related issues..or those logic flaws will never be explained and will forever leave the more astute lore buffs scratching their heads.  It's sloppy but appears to be the direction they're taking that story.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by Rawq on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:43 AM</span>

[Renita_Serafim]

AH! I see now! Zebuxoruk is present in Shin because, in the timeline where he remained free, he traveled back in time and founded the Whistling Fist Clan! Which begs the question, why has he lost his memory?

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Part of Zeb's mystery seems that he is overcome with amnesia on a regular basis. He has at a few points transformed back and forth between Mortal and God for whatever reasons may be, after all.</DIV>

[TheManInTheBox]

<font face="Comic Sans MS">Come June 14th, we can start uncovering more of the mystery of Zebuxoruk and why he has a really bad case of amnesia. I'm pretty sure we won't find out for sure what the complete deal with Zebuxoruk is. Just some more teaser information to the whole big story with the gods.I just hope we don't help him overcome his amnesia and *poof* Druzzil-Ro appears. "I am sorry, I must stop you all."*Reverts time* But I definately don't expect that scenario again since the gods are gone from giving their direct influence into Norrath for now.</font><div></div>

[Ra]

<div></div>Woops, took too long typing my last post.  Please see my previous post for the link to the connecting story between the events at the end of POP and the Whistling Fist Clan.  I promise I'm not making that kind of thing up hehe.And for anyone who beleives I fabricated the above link for my own twisted pleasure... the city in PoK is "New Tanaan" and the city in the new adventure pack is "Tanaan" and is the ancient home of the Whistling Fist Clan, need you any more to infer a connection between the stories?  It's ugly, it's timetravel, it's messy and confusing..but it's what's on the agenda for the plotline it seems.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Rawq on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:48 AM</span>

[Renita_Serafim]

Zebuxoruk's Shin self would exist in both timelines as he would have traveled back to a point in time before the timeline diverged.

[Ra]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>Ah, but in the universe in which Druzzil prevented him being freed, he would never have been freed to travel back in time before they diverged... but in the other universe he was freed and could've traveled back before there were two universes.. and then you start running into real causality issues..as is typical with timetravel plots!I suppose the question is whether or not the universe is shaped like this:-------------------------------------------<where the "<" is the split after Druzzil Ro's actions, and that if you travel back in time before Druzzil Ro's actions there's only the one universe.Or, is it shaped like this?-------------------xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-------------------yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyywhere we now have two entirely seperate universes after Druzzil Ro's actions resulted in the split, and the two universes simply share the same past, the "-"'s, up until the point that Druzzil Ro messed with the timeline so bad..  In universe X, the events after the split are "x" and in universe Y, the events are "y"The only way the Whistling Fist Clan can exist in both universes is with the very first model, in which the two universes are still one prior to the time at which Druzzil Ro's actions wound up splitting them.  But then, what did Druzzil Ro prevent, if Zebuxoruk from the "freed" universe can just go back into the past and influence both the universes?  Causality and timetravel are a mess, and I don't anticipate ever getting a story that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense, unless it's something along the lines of Zebuxoruk creating the whistling fists prior to his imprisonment in either universe.. if they do that then we run into far fewer causality issues.<div></div><p></p><p></p><p>and for Zebuxoruk's memory problems... well... his head is crammed full of the secrets of the gods, and then toss him around in time a couple of times, shake well, and bam!  you've got one scrambled guy with a lot of fatalistic prophecy crammed into his no-doubt aching head!<span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Rawq on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:05 AM</span>

[Zh]

time travel hurts my head, it's fun!<div></div>

[Ra]

There's little thought behind it, but I'd like to think that you couldn't exist in two places in time.. and that when Zebuxoruk traveled around he more or less replaced himself when he arrived in specific time...  I know that doesn't make much sense, but imagine the havoc it would play on your mind if your memories of your past were a messed up patchwork of loops and inconsistencies in your head simply because you now are packing memories of a time that hasn't happened yet, and might never happen, etc etc.  I don't think they'll have a hard time comming up with ways to scramble Zeb's brain and explain his amnesia problems.<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV> <DIV>Perhaps it's more a case of -who- erased Zebuxoruk's memory? It's possible that the gods did it in order to stop Zebuxoruk teaching the divine language to Norrathians.</DIV></DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>Perhaps it's more a case of -who- erased Zebuxoruk's memory? It's possible that the gods did it in order to stop Zebuxoruk teaching the divine language to Norrathians.</DIV></DIV> <P><BR> <HR> <P></P> <P>I am under the impression that, whatever is is that Zeb did to learn the secrets he knew, it completely altered his mind/being. To know secrets like that would no doubt elevate a person's mentality. Because of this change, his sanity relied upon the Gods, much like the existence of the planes do. When the Gods abandoned Norrath, we saw the planes falling apart, Plane of Sky leaking into Norrath.... and Zeb's sanity lost.</P> <P>In any case, can't wait to find out the truth behind all this :smileywink: Maybe Sony will give pre-orders access to a little bit of the adventure pack pre-release... not much... maybe just the ability to uncover the entire plot line early. That's not asking too much.</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>