Najena

[Renita_Serafim]

<DIV>I was wondering if anyone could refresh my memory on Najena's tale. I'm vaguely familiar with it, but I know I'm missing a lot of details.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Astralmage on <span class=date_text>05-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:02 AM</span>

[Themaginator]

now that i think about it i have no idea about najena really and i spent ALOT of time there being a mage<div></div>

[ArrBa]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but i think most of this is right... Najena was/is a Dark Elf Mage. She lived in Neriak doing experiments that all Dark Elf Mages do. She was the the most talented Mage in Neriak. She soon decided to leave since Neriak couldn't offer her anything more (OR she was booted ouot, I can't remember). She went to Lavastorm and set up shop there. She chose Lavastorm because it was far away from the cities and she could do her experiments in peace there. In EQ2, the entrence to the cave is blocked by huge stones. I guess that's from the Shattering. She is still active apparently. As part of the Efreeti Boots HQ, you learn she sends her Champion to attack Sol Ro Temple. <div></div>

[Lord Montague]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ArrBard wrote:<BR><BR>In EQ2, the entrence to the cave is blocked by huge stones. I guess that's from the Shattering. She is still active apparently. As part of the Efreeti Boots HQ, you learn she sends her Champion to attack Sol Ro Temple.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>As a ghost, yes.  What you learn from the HQ from Tazgar, however, was misinformation fed to him by Lord Djarn.  After you deactivate the channeling spires and defeat Magolemus, Najena appears in ghostly form to tell you the truth and to reactivate the spires.  Talk to Tazgar and of course he is none too pleased that he was used as a pawn and of course sends you to Djarn for revenge.

[Jindrack]

Najena is not a ghost.  The name over the form of Najena that appears during the quest is "A Projection of Najena".  She is still very much alive.

[Lakland]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> Najena is not a ghost.  The name over the form of Najena that appears during the quest is "A Projection of Najena".  She is still very much alive.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Do I smell an Adventure Pack? I do hope so! /crosses fingers

[Lord Montague]

Ah...well, I stand corrected.  Now that is fascinating.

[Cusashorn]

<P>From the EQ Atlas:</P> <P><EM>Najena</EM></P> <P><EM>During the current Dynasty of Naythox Thex, Najena has worked diligently to heighten her knowledge and increase her powers in order to satisfy her curiosity of the elements. Before the dynasty of Thex, there were four mage houses. They were the House of Summoning, the House of Sorcery, the House of Enchanting, and the House of the Dead. The king found it necessary to combine the four circles under one house to better serve the empire as well as enhance his oversight. All rulers of the houses at first refused, untill being persuaded by the emperor's Dreadguards. With the individual houses abolished, all the mages of the empire came to be known collectively as the Spurned - all, that is, except that of the Queen of Neriak, the Duchess Cristanos Thex.</EM></P> <P><EM>Cristanos was the Duchess of the Dead, the ruler of a secluded caste of mages know as the House of the Dead that was given exclusive rights to learn secrets of the dark arts. No other house was allowed to dabble in the dark arts - even knowledge of the dark arts that related to the other houses were never allowed to leave the House of the Dead. When the consolidation of the mage houses took place, a compromise was hatched between the duchess and king, and the understudy of the duchess, the precocious Najena, was appointed to the Spurned to work for the empire. What's more, the Duchy of Dead was allowed to exist as a seperate caste under the rule of Cristanos, who restricted access to the great Library of Souls to Najena only.</EM></P> <P><EM>Najena's occupation of the ruined complex in Lavastorm Mountains serves as a private facility for her own personal agendas and experiments. The ogre guards were "gifts" to the young, brilliant magician at the time of her appointment by Cristanos Thex.</EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P>It is rumored that Najena is Cristanos Thex's niece.</P>

[Vhalen]

<P>Ah yes, I recall the bit of information that I passed onto the scribes of the atlas. The information was taken from a portion of my work that detailed the mage and the dungeon. It was recorded ages ago. Let me share a little more lore from that same source.</P> <P>Najena was prominent mage of Neriak while she planned and plotted the construction of her soon to be sanctuary, a secret and sprawling laboratory she would call name after herself-Najena. She made secret trips out into Lavastorm to create the minions necessary to excavate and construct a subterranean citadel for her clandestine research. This research involved delving deeply into the arcane forces of the elements. She used the guise of research and gathering in the name of the empire to gain permission from the empire. While she created guardians for the Dreadguard, she also summoned elementals to construct her lair while she tended to her duties in Neriak. </P> <P>Najena’s final months in Neriak were soon upon her and her plot was ripe. She persuaded a caste of Ogres within the Foreign District to join her cause in secrecy. The leader of the caste was once saved from the grip of death by Najena. This ogre assisted in moving her final items to the underworld of the secret laboratory below Lavastorm. Najena was ready to depart Neriak for good. But the ruling houses would not let such a talented mage just up and leave. So, she made herself vanish. </P> <P>During a supposed research trip into the far reaches of Faydwer, she was lost. The vessel carrying the expedition was in the Ocean of Tears. Neriak mourned the loss of Najena. In actuality this was nothing more than her plan to disappear from the empire so she could carry on her research of the powers of the elements. Reported missing with her was the Ogre slave detachment she requested to carry her equipment. Only the two bodies of a Dragoon and fellow mage washed up on the shores to tell the false tale of a shipwreck. </P> <P>The workshops of Najena were soon bustling with activity. The ogre guards became fiercely loyal to Najena. Over the next decade only Najena’s loyal cohorts would ever learn of her true fate. Of that small band, a few would journey to the harsh lands of Lavastorm to study with her and swear off allegiance to Neriak's current ruling house.</P> <P>Of all who have entered the lair of Najena, only a few ever journey past the hallway beyond the massive doorway and then only with Najena’s permission. Najena soon became a haven of elemental experiments. Traps were set to dissuade adventurers. Soon the foothills surrounding the lair were filled with elementals, some guardians and some experiments gone rogue. It is said that during one of the greatest experiments ever held by Najena, called forth a horde from the elemental planes that rebelled and created an immense blast during a magical battle that blew the gigantic entrance doors of Najena off their hinges. </P> <P>So... what happened after that? It's a tale of revenge. A powerful force was sent to destroy Najena and her minions. But a great ally of Najena's returned a favor and warned her of the approaching destructive force sent to destroy all that she had built. Something happened when the enemy force approached and was about to enter the tunnels that descended to Najena, the volcanic forces of Lavastorm seemed to erupt and fill the tunnels of the underground citadel with magma. No one could have survived such destruction and that is what most believe, is the end of Najena, the citadel laboratory and the legendary mage.</P>

[ChaosUndivided]

She sounds wickedly hot.

[Ja]

<DIV>Actually, here is what we really need to know... once and for all:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>How is NAJENA pronounced?</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>nah-GEE-nah?</DIV> <DIV>nah-HEE-nah?</DIV> <DIV>nah-JEN-uh?</DIV> <DIV>.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone please clear this up.</DIV>

[WarShe]

<DIV>Of all NPCs in that zone I remember one named Widow Mistress the most. it almost killed me a few times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Was there any lore behind this named NPC? or was it one of Najena's experiments? Looked like a dark elf if I remember.</DIV>

[AlienFaction]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr><font size="2">Jabs wrote:</font><div><font size="2">Actually, here is what we really need to know... once and for all:</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2"><strong><font color="#ff0000">How is NAJENA pronounced?</font></strong></font></div><div><font size="2"><strong></strong> </font></div><div><font size="2">nah-GEE-nah?</font></div><div><font size="2">nah-HEE-nah?</font></div><div><font size="2">nah-JEN-uh?</font></div><div><font size="2">.....</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Someone please clear this up.</font></div><font size="2"></font><hr></blockquote><font size="2">A good question indeed...... nah - GEN - ah .... ?I wonder if <font color="#ff0000"><b>The V</b></font> has enough spare time to create a list of common names and their proper pronuciation</font></div>

[Vhalen]

<P>Nah-Jeh-Na or some say Nah-Jen-ah. Najena prefers it this way. You don't want to upset her. </P> <P>As for the Widowmistress: She had some lore a while back. A few of the residents of the dungeon had some lore written about them. I can't tell you much, you never know when she may appear again. All that I can safely say right now is that she is related to someone in the dungeon and that she is not what she used to be. The tragedy behind her began leagues from her lair. </P> <P> </P> <P>But why not sing about the unsung souls? Do you all recall this fellow:</P> <P>Moosh: Male, Everdark Ogre</P> <P>Moosh is a member of the ogre clan of Najena. He is secretly in love with Najena. He once had a pact with a halfling Leatherfoot Raider being held in the prison, to create a love letter rhyme for him in exchange for food for the halfling's pet mouse, Skweek. He never received the last page of his rhyme.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>This great ally of Najena's... I'd bet 2 plat that Queen Cristanos Thex is that ally. She's been involved in many other numerous plots within Neriak that involved a split in factions and oppinions between the King's official decisions and the agendas of others.</DIV>

[iceriven2]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<DIV>This great ally of Najena's... I'd bet 2 plat that Queen Cristanos Thex is that ally. She's been involved in many other numerous plots within Neriak that involved a split in factions and oppinions between the King's official decisions and the agendas of others.</DIV><hr></blockquote>My money is on Naggy. I remember from some where either here on the boards or in some quests Nejena came to Naggy's aid when the drakota's tried to kill him after they killed vox.

[BlackBattie]

The issue of the pronunciation of the name Najena was settled a few years ago, in EQ Live.  Their devs released a list of commonly mispronounced names in the game, and according to them, it is "Na-zee-na." <div></div>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<P>i have been mispronouncing this name for 6 years and prob will continue to do so.  the closest one tohow i pronouce it is prob nah-hee-nah but its not exact.  doesnt much matter anyways i guess.</P> <P>how does a j get pronounced as a z?  out of every way ive heard it pronouced, na-zee-na is prob the worst.  nothing against you blackbattie but at the very least that one on the mispronounced list from eq1 doesnt exist as far as im concerned.</P> <P>vhalen did not include the rest of najena's history but i fear this is because it isnt official.  i searched and found what i was looking for but the information was not posted by a dev so it is not fact but i believe it.  it sounds good and fits perfectly.  heres my take on it.  after being warned of the incoming army, najena caused the volcano to erupt consequently destroying her lair, possibly the army as well but thats neither here nor there.  she roamed lavastorm still seeking knowledge and power of the elements.  she eventually became so powerful she became the queen of fire passing beyond our mortal bounds.  this is why we see a projection of najena in the golden efreeti boots HQ.  she is able to manifest herself as a giant fire elemental which why it is said nagafen was able to defeat the drakota assassins with powers not of his own.</P> <P>i suspect if we do see an adventure pack for najena's old lair, it wont contain her as she is part of the story line in such a manner that it would be difficult for them to include her as a killable mob.  not to mention is now the queen of fire, which would be at the very least epic raid material to say the least.  there were plenty of other mobs of interest in najena though.  maybe some survived?  i think the only proper way of doing it would be to have the lava subside from the lair and different mobs move in and claim it as their own.  but then what would be the point of calling it najena then?  yup, none.  i dont see an adventure pack out of this myself.  as interesting as the place was, and i spent more time there and guk then anywhere in norrath, them using her for story ruins the reusability of the dungeon imo.</P><p>Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on <span class=date_text>05-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:18 PM</span>

[Brill]

<DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>Having spent a lot of time in Najena in EQ1 it's cool to hear lore about it, but the lore raises a few questions.<SPAN>  W</SPAN>hy would Najena build her haven practically on the doorstep of Neriak after going to all that trouble to disappear?<SPAN>  </SPAN>I suppose these “secret trips to create minions” would have been easier since lavastorm is nearby. <SPAN> </SPAN>But if she really just wanted a hidden place to do research, I would have expected her to go as far away from Neriak as possible after faking her death.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>Then again I’m probably being too picky.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Most likely a lot of the lore was written after the zones were designed.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Najena was part of the original eq1 release, and I’m sure the amount of game lore is vastly larger now than it was then.</FONT></P></DIV>

[Defender of Antonia]

<DIV> <P><FONT color=#6633ff>So... what happened after that? It's a tale of revenge. A powerful force was sent to destroy Najena and her minions. But a great ally of Najena's returned a favor and warned her of the approaching destructive force sent to destroy all that she had built. Something happened when the enemy force approached and was about to enter the tunnels that descended to Najena, the volcanic forces of Lavastorm seemed to erupt and fill the tunnels of the underground citadel with magma. No one could have survived such destruction and that is what most believe, is the end of Najena, the citadel laboratory and the legendary mage.</FONT></P> <P><U><FONT color=#6633ff>                                                                                                                                                                                                                          </FONT></U></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>Makes you wonder who this great ally is my money is on a certain dragon who also resideds in Lavastorm and my resons for beleiving so re as follows</FONT></P> <P>-Lord nagfen is a lvl 100x4 mob (the highest in the game atm) Vox is lvl 50ishx4 but in Eq1 and very well p into the time of Vox's Death they were realitivly equal in power</P> <P>- The Age of Sages (Darathar) says that the only reson that Naggy was able to defeat his Draconic assasins was that he borrowed powers that were not his own now Darathars little assasins are only about 52x4 mobs and a doubt a lvl 100x4 would have any difficulty on his own unless he wasen't really lvl 100 untill he was granted tromendous strength from some very powerfull mage</P> <P>- If Najena did infact grant naggy these powers it would certainly be in his best intrest to help protect her it would also be very easy for him o hide her and or help her escape</P> <P>If we ever do get to see najena I doubt it will be anytime soon She must be extremly powerfull if she is able to grant Naggy such immense power </P> <P> </P></DIV>

[Jindrack]

Honestly, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the encounter con numbers of an NPC as a show of their power or as a reflection of the strength of that creature.  It is much more of an out of character game mechanic than a measure of one NPCs power vs. another.  This shouldn't be taken like early Dragonball Z episodes where the characters could quantify each others' power levels. 

[Renita_Serafim]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> Honestly, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the encounter con numbers of an NPC as a show of their power or as a reflection of the strength of that creature.  It is much more of an out of character game mechanic than a measure of one NPCs power vs. another.  This shouldn't be taken like early Dragonball Z episodes where the characters could quantify each others' power levels. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>What I've been saying for a while. I stopped taking levels as a serious measure of a character's lore power when I saw "a poor begger" at level 45. You've got to be joking if you're telling me that a group of these beggers could defeat Varsoon the Undying.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> Honestly, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the encounter con numbers of an NPC as a show of their power or as a reflection of the strength of that creature.  It is much more of an out of character game mechanic than a measure of one NPCs power vs. another.  This shouldn't be taken like early Dragonball Z episodes where the characters could quantify each others' power levels. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>YAY! AN ANIME FAN AMONG THE DEVELOPERS!</P> <P> </P> <P>:p</P> <P> </P> <P>He's right though. Con levels only apply to the game mechanics, but from a lore perspective, good ole level 30-ish Varsoon down in his lair is still one of the most powerful mages the world has ever seen.</P>

[J]

<DIV>That was one of the things I absolutely loved about the Splitpaw release. Content scaled with your adventure level, thus always providing the perspective of a challenge and danger. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I should not be more powerful than Varsoon from a lore perspective. It is quite disappointing that he is now an ant under my boot when instead he should always be a formidable character to be respected and approached with great preperation. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, I'll go back to lurking in your forum... love your posts guys, I read them very often.</DIV>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:He's right though. Con levels only apply to the game mechanics, but from a lore perspective, good ole level 30-ish Varsoon down in his lair is still one of the most powerful mages the world has ever seen.<hr></blockquote>Exactly. It's kind of like how you wonder how the Crushbone Orcs are a threat in EQ1 when any one of the lvl-50 guards could go into CB and solo the whole damned place. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />(Incidentally, in EQ1 it was massively fun to take my Mage in there and use one of the Monster Summoning spells, then to go to town on the orcs... confused quite a number of newbies seeing an orc named "Jabober" kicking all of the other orcs' [Removed for Content])

[Tarkin-Wretch]

ok lets look at vhalens wording.  a tale of revenge.  this means someone would have reason.  a force that did not have prior experience with najena would have no reason for revenge.  this narrows it down, for me anyways, to neriak or the elementals who were summoned and rebelled against her (blowing the doors off the hinges of her lair).  im going by what is known to us btw.  now i dont know if elementals would organize in such a way as to send a force against her but neriak sure would.  its possible king thex learned of her faked death and sent this force.  vhalen does not state the forces were in najena when magma flooded the tunnels of the citadel which means they were observers of this.  as much as it pains me to agree here but i think cusahorn is right.  the queen, cristanos thex, was the one who warned najena of the incoming force.  she has 2 very good motives for doing this.  najena was her favorite.  after appointing her to the Spurned, she was the only one who had access to the library and secrets of the house of the dead.  and 2, the queen hates the king and anything to disrupt his plans and put a thorn in his side would give her pleasure.  could it be possible that the flooding of her lair with magma was just another rouse?  she in fact planned the flooding.  she could have done so in such a way as to keep some of her lair intact but still give the impression that she and her minions were dead as a result of this magma flood (i only say this for the small hope of an adventure pack for najena's old lair).  i do believe though that if her lair was intact she would not have been roaming lavastorm.  she faked her death once, of course shed do it again.  the king wasnt very smart if he believed she was dead again.  at any rate my point is i think defender of antonica has his timeline jumbled.  if my theory is correct it could not have been nagafen since they did not have any interaction until after this happened and she roamed lavastorm and became the queen of fire.  vox was killed after the shattering?  if so then najena's pact with nagafen would have been after also.  when did the kithicor ranger and leatherfoot invade neriak?  before or after the shattering?  if indeed this force sent upon najena was neriak troops then it would have transpired before neriak was invaded since there has been no contact with neriak since third gate was transformed into what we have today and the rest of neriak sealed off.

[Wargod1968]

<P>Paragraphs are good. :smileyhappy:</P> <P>I didn't bother past the first sentence, despite the fact you may have something really cool to add.</P>

[curtlewis]

<blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<P>Nah-Jeh-Na or some say Nah-Jen-ah. Najena prefers it this way. You don't want to upset her. </P><hr></blockquote>I always thought it was: Nuh Hey nuh, but I guess that's the Californian (Hispanic) influence.Na na na na...Na na na na...Nuh Hey nuh...Goodbye

[troodon]

<P>I pronounce it Nah-Jee-Nah</P> <P>And since it's the server I play on I must be right :smileyhappy:</P>

[Dra]

<div><blockquote><hr>curtlewis wrote:<blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<p>Nah-Jeh-Na or some say Nah-Jen-ah. Najena prefers it this way. You don't want to upset her.</p><hr>I always thought it was: Nuh Hey nuh, but I guess that's the Californian (Hispanic) influence.</blockquote></blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%">I pronounced it the same way. I'm not Hispanic but I am from California.</div>

[Lornick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> Honestly, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in the encounter con numbers of an NPC as a show of their power or as a reflection of the strength of that creature.  It is much more of an out of character game mechanic than a measure of one NPCs power vs. another.  This shouldn't be taken like early Dragonball Z episodes where the characters could quantify each others' power levels. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>WHAT?!  You mean the level 58 house cat from A Maj'Dul Residence couldn't actually solo most of Deathfyst Citadel?  You've crushed my sense of reality in EQ2....

[Lakland]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> troodon wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>I pronounce it Nah-Jee-Nah</FONT></P> <P>And since it's the server I play on I must be right :smileyhappy:</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Almost the same for me, but always felt the J was silent in her name, so more like <FONT color=#99ff00>Nah-ee-na</FONT>.  Anywho, that's how I say it and will no doubt always say it.

[Kindayr]

Yea i'm a Nah-Jee-Nah also. Ever since EQi, and my main is on that server too >.<, ill still pronouce it that way anyways <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wargod1968]

<P>Nah Jee Nah here, too.</P> <P> </P> <P>Of course, I also say "Loose-Lin".</P>

[Kindayr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wargod1968 wrote:<BR> <P>Nah Jee Nah here, too.</P> <P> </P> <P>Of course, I also say "Loose-Lin".</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>OMG same here ! lol. On Nov.8th 2004, when I heard "Luck-Lin" for the first time, I seriously didn't know what it ment.</P> <P>lol You guys should seriously put a pronouncing program on here <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Seriously, for Live Update #25, the devs should add a way to teach us players how to say what they were thinking when they made zones. I think this is essential, especially with the rise of voice chat services. If I hear one more person say "key-nee-os" or "qway-nos" I'm gonna shoot myself :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>An example:</DIV> <DIV>*A player zones into the Feerrott... Vhalen's voice swoons over the speakers as they view the loading screen*</DIV> <DIV>Welcome to the Feerrott. Can you say Fee-rot? Good.</DIV> <DIV>This lush but dangerous jungle is home to many tribes of lizardmen. The lizardmen have a pact with the secret master of the ancient temple of Cazic-Thule. Who is this master? To find the answer, you would have to understand the relationship between the lizardmen tribes and the town of Windstalker Village. I'm sure a small halfling would know more... you have probably seen this halfling in your travels. I can tell you that the halfling is from blank, and blank knew blank about the Mountains of blank.</DIV>

[Sinect]

<DIV>Watcher of the Mauls Theriig <P>This book is titled "Watcher of the Mauls Theriig." It seems to be written by some type of military commander. You're not sure what army he commanded, nor which country he defended. He speaks of reagents you're unfamiliar with, too. It's possible this is just the work of a deranged bard.</P> <P>Log: The fire giants are too many. We slaughter them, but not enough. We are suffering losses as well, which is not good. It is time to tell our mistress that the Red King's empire is growing too large. I will offer my head as the price of failure.</P> <P>Log: Our good mistress is wise and merciful. I am still the Watcher of the Mauls, and my head remains upon my shoulders. She plans a different outcome that we are not to know. I neither agree nor disagree. The mistress has spoken.</P> <P>Log: The ambassador has returned and still lives. There is never a time when our mistress has not ruled over us well. Did she not notice when we had awoken? Did she not give us the secrets of mastering the ether? We can only repay her for her kindness, and we are proud to do so.</P> <P>Log: The Mauls met the giants today upon the Field of Fire. The battle was intense. For every fallen ogre, there lay next to it a fallen giant. It seemed as if both sides would fall together as one, were it not for the terrible magic of Mistress Najena. She appeared before us and raised from the very lava itself a victory we have never witnessed.</P> <P>Log: The mistress does not need us. The Guardian was enough to decimate the armies of the Fire Giants. We can offer her no more loyalty than we already have. And this is what she will be given. The Red King has sent his ambassador to us, and we did not eviscerate him as we should have. Our mistress told us to expect him.</P> <P>Log: We meet today upon the Field of Fire, our armies and the armies of the Red King. But we do not fight. We stare at each other, knowing that if our lords had not commanded us differently, we would all die in battle today. So we wait. We wait for our mistress to appear. And we wait for the Red King to return from icy netherlands. And we will wait until this has happened. We owe it to our mistress.</P> <P>Log: Though he is our enemy, one must acknowledge his lordship. The Red King towers over all of his armies. But perhaps he does not understand that size does not dictate victory. For is not our mistress smaller than us, yet far more powerful? The King has taken the offer of truce, and now ogre and giant march side by side to our mistress' laboratory to enter negotiations.</P> <P>Log: It is done. The Red King and our Mistress Najena have sealed an agreement. We will no longer embattle the giants, and they will no longer encroach. It was very difficult for us to allow the King's escort to leave our home unescorted, but this was her command. And we can offer her nothing less than to accede to her wishes.</P> <P>Log: All are to arms! Every Maul is lining into formation. The Red King has betrayed us, for we heard his roar of defiance. The very walls of our home shook with the intense fury of his declaration. Our mistress cannot be found, so we must act on our own recognizance. The Red King will pay for betraying our mistress' kindness.</P> <P>Log: Never before have I feared so much. They were so much smaller than the Red King, yet fought with a ferocity the King could not meet. There were four, and they fought with the power of a hundred. The Red King did not betray us. And our Mistress was by his side, honoring her pact. The Guardian of Flame rose again from the lava and struck down one of the small dragons and drove off the rest. The Red King lay wounded, and we are commanded to offer him aid. If he lives... then I believe our pact with his armies will be sealed forever more.</P></DIV>

[Sinect]

<DIV>Now we know who helped Nagafen survive, maybe she is helping him hide the other prismatic eggs also - </DIV>

[nightshade1369]

<div></div>Cool book where did you get it. I like to have the lore books in my house to read from time to time.

[Sinect]

<P>Drops in permafrost - starts a quest to hunt specific creatures - reward is the lore</P> <P>Also - from Vhalen's tale, I think the Legion serving Najena could be those who left with her - would make sense</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Sinect on <span class=date_text>05-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:04 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sinect wrote:<BR> <P>Drops in permafrost - starts a quest to hunt specific creatures - reward is the lore</P> <P>Also - from Vhalen's tale, I think the Legion serving Najena could be those who left with her - would make sense</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Sinect on <SPAN class=date_text>05-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:04 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Books still drop of monsters? I thought they did away with that as they slowly change all the books into page finds?

[Sinect]

hmm, not sure, i believe thats how I got it. some this one was a book that started a quest - could be wrong been awhile

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I guess it just depends on when you got the book.</DIV>

[iceriven2]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Sinect wrote:<BR><P>Drops in permafrost - starts a quest to hunt specific creatures - reward is the lore</P><P>Also - from Vhalen's tale, I think the Legion serving Najena could be those who left with her - would make sense</P><P> </P><P>Message Edited by Sinect on <SPAN class=date_text>05-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:04 AM</SPAN><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Books still drop of monsters? I thought they did away with that as they slowly change all the books into page finds?<hr></blockquote>Books still drop ..along with the pages. I was in Perma 3 days ago with an alt we kept getting books that started quests like the book quests of old, along with the newer "book" pages.

[Sinect]

<P>Yea I think some of the books come from a specific book that drops, then fill the pages - like Master Wu</P> <P>Some are just find pages and piece it together</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>oh, that would suck if it was exactly like Master Wu.. I'd never be able to get all the pages since the zone is grey.</DIV>

[standupwookie]

There was also a high level necro mob in there as well....like the dungeon was mostly lev20 stuff...but this mob was like 45.  I forget what he/she was doing in there.

[Nocturnal Aby]

I'd bet you anything that Mayong Mistmoore is responsible for the Widowmistress.  The drachnids (half dark elves, half black widows) in Kunark were allied with him, and had his fingerprint, so to speak, all over them.  That guy gets around, and spiders, vampires, and Gothic Architecture reak of Mayong Mistmoore.  Not sure what the Widow Mistress did to [Removed for Content] him off, though.

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sinect wrote:<BR> <DIV>Watcher of the Mauls Theriig <P>This book is titled "Watcher of the Mauls Theriig." It seems to be written by some type of military commander. You're not sure what army he commanded, nor which country he defended. He speaks of reagents you're unfamiliar with, too. It's possible this is just the work of a deranged bard.</P> <P>Log: The fire giants are too many. We slaughter them, but not enough. We are suffering losses as well, which is not good. It is time to tell our mistress that the Red King's empire is growing too large. I will offer my head as the price of failure.</P> <P>Log: Our good mistress is wise and merciful. I am still the Watcher of the Mauls, and my head remains upon my shoulders. She plans a different outcome that we are not to know. I neither agree nor disagree. The mistress has spoken.</P> <P>Log: The ambassador has returned and still lives. There is never a time when our mistress has not ruled over us well. Did she not notice when we had awoken? Did she not give us the secrets of mastering the ether? We can only repay her for her kindness, and we are proud to do so.</P> <P>Log: The Mauls met the giants today upon the Field of Fire. The battle was intense. For every fallen ogre, there lay next to it a fallen giant. It seemed as if both sides would fall together as one, were it not for the terrible magic of Mistress Najena. She appeared before us and raised from the very lava itself a victory we have never witnessed.</P> <P>Log: The mistress does not need us. The Guardian was enough to decimate the armies of the Fire Giants. We can offer her no more loyalty than we already have. And this is what she will be given. The Red King has sent his ambassador to us, and we did not eviscerate him as we should have. Our mistress told us to expect him.</P> <P>Log: We meet today upon the Field of Fire, our armies and the armies of the Red King. But we do not fight. We stare at each other, knowing that if our lords had not commanded us differently, we would all die in battle today. So we wait. We wait for our mistress to appear. And we wait for the Red King to return from icy netherlands. And we will wait until this has happened. We owe it to our mistress.</P> <P>Log: Though he is our enemy, one must acknowledge his lordship. The Red King towers over all of his armies. But perhaps he does not understand that size does not dictate victory. For is not our mistress smaller than us, yet far more powerful? The King has taken the offer of truce, and now ogre and giant march side by side to our mistress' laboratory to enter negotiations.</P> <P>Log: It is done. The Red King and our Mistress Najena have sealed an agreement. We will no longer embattle the giants, and they will no longer encroach. It was very difficult for us to allow the King's escort to leave our home unescorted, but this was her command. And we can offer her nothing less than to accede to her wishes.</P> <P>Log: All are to arms! Every Maul is lining into formation. The Red King has betrayed us, for we heard his roar of defiance. The very walls of our home shook with the intense fury of his declaration. Our mistress cannot be found, so we must act on our own recognizance. The Red King will pay for betraying our mistress' kindness.</P> <P>Log: Never before have I feared so much. They were so much smaller than the Red King, yet fought with a ferocity the King could not meet. There were four, and they fought with the power of a hundred. The Red King did not betray us. And our Mistress was by his side, honoring her pact. The Guardian of Flame rose again from the lava and struck down one of the small dragons and drove off the rest. The Red King lay wounded, and we are commanded to offer him aid. If he lives... then I believe our pact with his armies will be sealed forever more.</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>EXCELLENT!  this proves my theory to be correct.  najena did in fact help thwart nagafen's assassination.  thank you very much sinect.  on a side note, i dont recall there being a mob in najena named watcher of the mauls theriig or any watcher for that matter.</P> <P>ok so what does this mean?  </P> <P>Log: The ambassador has returned and still lives. There is never a time when our mistress has not ruled over us well. Did she not notice when we had awoken? Did she not give us the secrets of mastering the ether? We can only repay her for her kindness, and we are proud to do so.</P> <P>i thought this watcher might have been an elemental but he mentions having a head upon his shoulders still so that doesnt seem right.  then i thought it might be an ogre, one that was loyal to her when she left neriak.  he does mention nothing but ogres on the battlefield when describing fighting the giants, but mastering the ether?  that doesnt seem to tie to ogre and noticing when they had awoken doesnt fit either.  does this mean something to anyone?</P><p>Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on <span class=date_text>05-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:55 PM</span>

[Sinect]

<P>I believe he is the "commander" refered at the book heading - </P> <P>The watcher could be him or the element, maybe Vhalen could enlighten us.</P> <P>One thing is for sure - Whatever she summoned was powerful</P>

[toad-v]

<P>     __________________________________________________ __________________________</P> <P>Tarkin-Wretched wrote:     </P> <P>he does mention nothing but ogres on the battlefield when describing fighting the giants, but mastering the ether?  that doesnt seem to tie to ogre and noticing when they had awoken doesnt fit either.  does this mean something to anyone?</P> <P>     __________________________________________________ ___________________________</P> <P>(sorry don't know how to quote right, so I'll fake it)</P> <P> </P> <P>When it mentions they had awoken I would assume that is the curse being lifted with the departure of the Gods influence, where all (or most, not sure) of Zeks cursed creations regained their intelligence.</P> <P> </P>

[Sinect]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> toad-v wrote:<BR> <P>     __________________________________________________ __________________________</P> <P>Tarkin-Wretched wrote:     </P> <P>he does mention nothing but ogres on the battlefield when describing fighting the giants, but mastering the ether?  that doesnt seem to tie to ogre and noticing when they had awoken doesnt fit either.  does this mean something to anyone?</P> <P>     __________________________________________________ ___________________________</P> <P>(sorry don't know how to quote right, so I'll fake it)</P> <P> </P> <P>When it mentions they had awoken I would assume that is the curse being lifted with the departure of the Gods influence, where all (or most, not sure) of Zeks cursed creations regained their intelligence.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Possibly and Najena I think is the one that mastered the ether -</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ether  =  ethernere?</DIV>

[Sinect]

<P>Found something else interesting, but makes sense - Since Najena was working in a caslte off of Lavastorm</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/Realmbloodfathom/EQ2_000671.jpg"></P>

[stricnyne9]

<DIV>I thought the powerful army that attacked Najena was lead by none other then Lanys T'Vyl the Chosen of Inny.  I thought she attacked Najena because she had turned her back on the other dark elves but i may be wrong it is just the impression i got after playing eq for years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also the lore explains alot about the chars that existed in najena's lair but not the one i wanted to know most about... Who, why and how is there an undead froglok in the zone?  Anyone remember BoneCracker he dropped a whip and the first key you need in the eq1 version of Najena's.  And what is the deal with Rathyl and he is Incarnation that spawns upon his defeat.  I spent alot of time in the eq1 Najena's and considered it one of my favorite zones even after out growing the zone i would often venture back just to wipe the entire place hehe.</DIV>

[WarShe]

<P>I hadnt heard any thing myself of a Lanys/Najena war, only war I remember hearing Lanys in was the Bloody Kithicor one, Which is a whole different story.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>If anything, Najena would be on Neriak's side, as they consider Lanys to be a major threat to not over Dark Elves in general, but all of Norrath.</DIV>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> stricnyne9 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I thought the powerful army that attacked Najena was lead by none other then Lanys T'Vyl the Chosen of Inny.  I thought she attacked Najena because she had turned her back on the other dark elves but i may be wrong it is just the impression i got after playing eq for years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also the lore explains alot about the chars that existed in najena's lair but not the one i wanted to know most about... Who, why and how is there an undead froglok in the zone?  Anyone remember BoneCracker he dropped a whip and the first key you need in the eq1 version of Najena's.  And what is the deal with Rathyl and he is Incarnation that spawns upon his defeat.  I spent alot of time in the eq1 Najena's and considered it one of my favorite zones even after out growing the zone i would often venture back just to wipe the entire place hehe.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Anyone remember that female dark elf in one of those rooms in Najena that used to drop the Journeyman Boots?  I think her name was Drelzna or Drezlna or something like that.  Now SHE was a contested spawn back in the day.  It was pretty bad too.  So bad they had to move the journeyman boots out of there..

[WarShe]

I know I got my Fabled Jboots off of some thing in Najena behind a locked door for the 5th year anniversary but forget its name.

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<P>Drelzna was in fact her name.  she was the original mob that dropped the jboots.  after many months they decided they didnt want such a low level mob dropping the boots and further decided to make it more interesting by making it into a quest to get.  that didnt change the fact that the ancient cyclops was just as contested as she was when they made him drop the ancient ring which was needed in the jboots quest.  the only thing they really changed was the level in which people were capable of completing the quest and acquiring the boots.  drelzna was a challenge because she was an sk and would harm touch twice, typically both on the same person.</P> <P>yes i remember bonecracker.  he was in the torture room with 2 necromancers, which was located in the ogre section of the dungeon.  i dont recall why he was down there but he wasnt the only froglok in that dungeon.  there was another one, undead froglok ghoul, in the water you had to swim in to get to najena's room.  they added a few mobs well after release though but i dont recall any lore explaining how they were tied to najena.  one was down by the spiders, the widowmistress, who was for the human and and erudite only mask of terror quest that was added later after release.  an effort to get players to make those races of clerics.  the other mob i thought was added late was trazdon but i think i recall him always being there but they made one of his drops, the dark circlet, part of a quest.  was a good head piece for necros in the early days.  this was pre-PoP stuff.  they have since gone back and added fabled najena and drelzna and drelzna drops fabled jboots.  thaat game has become a joke but thats neither here nor there.</P> <P>the living frogloks in guk were neutral to the good races but kos to evil races in eq1.  or at least thats how it used to be.  back in the day good races could run thru upper guk and not get attacked by frogs as long as they didnt ruin their faction.  the only way to raise faction with the live frogs was to kill the undead ones in lower guk.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tarkin-Wretched wrote:<BR> <P>Drelzna was in fact her name.  she was the original mob that dropped the jboots.  after many months they decided they didnt want such a low level mob dropping the boots and further decided to make it more interesting by making it into a quest to get.  that didnt change the fact that the ancient cyclops was just as contested as she was when they made him drop the ancient ring which was needed in the jboots quest.  the only thing they really changed was the level in which people were capable of completing the quest and acquiring the boots.  drelzna was a challenge because she was an sk and would harm touch twice, typically both on the same person.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It was a bit more complicated than just that.</P> <P> </P> <P>You see, the Ancient Cyclops at least spawns in two different zones, and both of which are outdoor zones.</P> <P>Najena, being an indoor dungeon, allowed players to exploit the fact that she dropped the J-boots. She was the most contested spawn in the entire game, and it actually came down to a point that players would charge money in order to let other people kill her or they would kill her and destroy the loot.</P>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

You are right Cusa but that doesnt change the fact that many guilds would run Ancient Cyclops camps doign exactly the same thing, charging for loot.  The only reason I would agree that Drelzna was the most contested mob is the fact that every class could benefit from the boots AND there was more than one spawn of the Ancient Cyclops.  More of my point was to state that Drelzna being the most contested mob wasnt the reason for them removing jboots as her drop.

[bstmydd]

<DIV>Been quite a while since this thread has been active, and if there is a similar one that is active please forgive me.   I for one am quite interested in many aspects of lore in eq1 and eq2.  I would love to know more about Najena's relationship with bonecracker and why was in the zone other than some loose tie of the dark arts.  Rathyl and his reincarnation I would also assume to be a fascinating storyline. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a bit of a more EQ2 subject and frogloks,  I know there is a ton of info about lore and history of the Everling family, but I have yet to come across alot of indepth info on why the the froglok ghoul assassin is in Everling Castle.  Seen posts stating he was there to kill someone....yeah, that helps.  If any actual info is out there Id love to know more about the two frogloks and their ties, Bonecracker and the Ghoul Assassin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I would say no spawn in either eq1 or eq2 was anywhere close to as contested as the jboots from Najena, not even the manastone dropping eyeball in Guk was close.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Captain Aridhol the Decimator</DIV> <DIV>70th Assassin of Guk</DIV> <DIV>Bloodstone Templars</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>There's almost nothing known at all about any of the characters in Najena other than some of the Ogres guarding the place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes, The Froglok Assassin was sent to kill Everling for whatever reason his employer had.</DIV>

[Matte]

<P>I'm curious about something here...</P> <P>It has been mentioned above (not sure if it is fact or speculation) that Najena became, or is referenced to as the Queen of Fire. What if, to escape the destruction of her lair, she turned herself into a fire elemental? Maybe she is the Keeper of Secrets? Which could be fitting, considering she keeps Naggy's secrets, and is right outside the "entrance" to Lavastorm off of Nektulos. </P> <P>Just a thought that occured to me as I read through this thread.</P> <P>Plus, I've always pronounced it Na-Jee-Nuh too. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>-Malfi</P>

[Vanisher123]

<cite>Mattexl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm curious about something here...</p><p>It has been mentioned above (not sure if it is fact or speculation) that Najena became, or is referenced to as the Queen of Fire. What if, to escape the destruction of her lair, she turned herself into a fire elemental? Maybe she is the Keeper of Secrets? Which could be fitting, considering she keeps Naggy's secrets, and is right outside the "entrance" to Lavastorm off of Nektulos. </p><p>Just a thought that occured to me as I read through this thread.</p><p>Plus, I've always pronounced it Na-Jee-Nuh too. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>-Malfi</p></blockquote><p>This is a good point, as very little is known of the Keep thing, and btw is she the "dark elf conj" that helped Nag?</p><p>And of coarse the most important question, while magma did go through out her dungeon, is there any of it left to explore? (being a conj, i have hope of finding a conj based dungeon, rather then a necro one).</p>

[Daine]

It would be nice to see some conj-themed things in game, including dungeons.  The elemental forces of fire, air, water, and earth could make for some seriously cool themed dungeons or a really neat boss.  I'd still love to see more elementals too, maybe some humanoid ones.  Maidens of air or water-based cloud enemies, enemies with the same model as the Keeper of Secrets, or non-golem earth based models.I've always pronounced it Nah jay nuh btw, I'm the odd one out  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[goldfeesh641]

1)  Najena shows up during the HQ "Saving Souls" whenever you fight the Magolemus she appears afterwards because you defeated her champion, she is still a dark elf.2) Najena is completely destroyed, you can view the entrance gate to your left as you leave the tunnel at the beginning of Lavastorm as you leave the beaches behind you.

[Coniaric]

<cite>goldfeesh641 wrote:</cite><blockquote>1)  Najena shows up during the HQ "Saving Souls" whenever you fight the Magolemus she appears afterwards because you defeated her champion, she is still a dark elf.2) Najena is completely destroyed, you can view the entrance gate to your left as you leave the tunnel at the beginning of Lavastorm as you leave the beaches behind you.</blockquote><p>As a dark elf? Somehow I recall her appearing as a fire elemental.</p><p>Her place can be, and probably is, rebuilt since she is still around.</p>

[Vanisher123]

In some lore about Nagafen, it mentions a dark elf conjuror helped him defeat the drakota (sp?), Saying as she resides in lavastorm, i think it might have been her.

[Cusashorn]

She's always been a dark elf. Even in EQlive.

[Coniaric]

<p>Yes, I know Najena is a dark elf. I had seen her plenty of time in the days of EQLive.</p><p>I'm only speaking of the Saving Soles quest where she reappeared. That point, I think she showed up as a fire elemental. But it has been few years since I had done the quest.</p>

[Lodrelhai]

Level 20 conjurer fluff spell is Illusion: Fire Elemental.  She is a conjurer.

[goldfeesh641]

I'll try and run my brother through the quest since I have it completed already and get a screenshot so we can determine for sure if she is Teir'Dal or elemental...

[shadowscale]

she is a dark elf ghost.

[Vanisher123]

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote>she is a dark elf ghost.</blockquote>As mentioned at some point far back in this forum, a dev states its a projection of her, not her ghost, and said she is still very much alive