Belief System

[screenid]

<DIV>:smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ _____________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Belief System - Gain Access to Minor Miracles, Item,Quests,and more Based on your Character's Chosen Deity And Beliefs!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ _____________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this the possible start of the Gods returning to Norrath?  PLEASE SAY IT IS SO :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I don't know about returning, but I'm glad they're at least giving us the option of worshipping them again.</DIV>

[Iagan the Swart]

Perhaps, but not in the sense of being in-game.  It sounds more like they are just making their influence felt to let us know they are still there. <div></div>

[Lord Montague]

I would speculate that even in the absence of gods, their power can still be present through the faith of their followers.

[MakhailSamma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I don't know about returning, but I'm glad they're at least giving us the option of worshipping them again.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So, you still standing by this statement?</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=7172&query.id=15059#M7172" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=7172&query.id=15059#M7172</A></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[DruVir]

I highly doubt the God's are returning. If you want God's in the game, go play EverQuest. The main storyline behind EQII is the fact the God's abandoned us. They can't just go against that. <div></div>

[vikingthug]

<DIV>The gods didnt abandone norrathians, they just took the phone off the hook and turned off th answering machine.  Just because the gods arent ordering you to Jihad against which ever race has offended them lately, doesnt mean they are gone.  Maye they are having a millenium long ruggy match and are just too busy to pay attention at the moment.</DIV>

[MakhailSamma]

<P>I was just teasing a bit :smileytongue:</P> <P>Though, I do imagine the gods will be returning eventually..</P> <P>It seems to be the progression of fantasy games. You continue to grow in power untill eventually it is only the gods themselves that can challenge your might..</P> <P>Just my 2cp. Could honestly care less one way or another as long as Sony keeps me interested. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[troodon]

I'm hoping they give us an extensive list of Deities and even the sub-Deities to choose from.  It would suck royally if we could only choose between a handful of Gods.  The pantheon is large for a reason!  :smileyhappy:

[RoninSenshi]

<DIV>Ok, this is how it is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Gods aren't Gone. They are less active in the world is all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their is a quest you can do in Freeport, it resulting in you getting Smitten by Mithanel Marr for defiling one of his temples. Its a lowbie quest. Here you go:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4695/mithanelmarrsmite3wr.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So Mithanel Marr is still able to strike from the Plane of Valor, or Halls of Honor, or where ever he's at.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, do not forget Brell's Day. If you complete the Brell's Day quest, you have to complete a Divine Trial, where as if you fail the Trial Brell kills you. You'll just have to do the quest to find out, I didnt screen shot it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So the Gods are still paying some attention to Norrath, its just that Norrathains do not have direct physical access to them anymore. That was the change.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Creppie]

If 8 pts of damage is the best Mithaniel Marr can do for messing with the temple then the gods are truely gone.  Looks more like residual magic to me.<span></span><div></div>

[azcandace]

<DIV>See i was thinking the samething but got a clear cut answer, and it has yet to be said what happened to the avatars some of them left behind! So I'm thinking the gods arn't returning but their avatars may be taking up power or something to that affect?!</DIV>

[Koehianna]

Really, how can the gods be "gone"?They didn't commit suicide or anything, they've simply just left mortals and the rest of Norrath alone.They simply can't just stop existing anymore.<div></div>

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShintouShinai wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, this is how it is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Gods aren't Gone. They are less active in the world is all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their is a quest you can do in Freeport, it resulting in you getting Smitten by Mithanel Marr for defiling one of his temples. Its a lowbie quest. Here you go: <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>They changed that quest because it was misleading.  Now it says something to the effect of "You are smitten by the ancient blessing of Mithaniel Marr", because Marr doesn't care enough now-adays to smite anyone.</P>

[Zabjade]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#66ff00 size=2>I think they are coming back because they are loosing power without worshipers. Interestingly the only god that doesn't seem to have any worshipers is The Nameless and he/she/it was the one to create Norrath.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#66ff00 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#66ff00 size=2>Anyway will the races/classes be shoehorned into which god they can choose from a list or will the gods be desperate enough to take anyone? Will there be any benifits from being Agnostic?</FONT></DIV>

[screenid]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quellious continued. "We all agree the mortals have gained too much power, but there are non-destructive ways to correct this. There is also a way for us to regain our strength, though it means removing our influence from this world for a time. But if we all agree--including those who sit upon the greater wheel of Elemental Power--it could save us all."<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>:smileyhappy: </P> <P>-Alotta time has passed</P> <P>-We are no longer as powerful as we were hundreds of years ago (lol Devs see to that with Nurfs and combat revamps) :smileytongue:</P> <P>-One fo the game selling features of EOF is Belief System</P> <P>Maybe we will not see them in this expansion...but I think this is the start of their return <BR></P><p>Message Edited by screenid on <span class=date_text>05-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:01 PM</span>

[Jal]

<blockquote><hr>ShintouShinai wrote:<DIV>Ok, this is how it is.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The Gods aren't Gone. They are less active in the world is all.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Their is a quest you can do in Freeport, it resulting in you getting Smitten by Mithanel Marr for defiling one of his temples. Its a lowbie quest. Here you go:</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><IMG src="http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4695/mithanelmarrsmite3wr.jpg"></DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Doesnt Smitten mean sort of infatuated/in love etc. Shouldnt it be Smited by.Anyone on topic again, hopefully this will be done nicely and be useful but not a "you must choose this god if you're this class" type system. Good/evil divides should be kept but i hope thats as restrictive as it gets.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jalek wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShintouShinai wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, this is how it is.</DIV><BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV>The Gods aren't Gone. They are less active in the world is all.</DIV><BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV>Their is a quest you can do in Freeport, it resulting in you getting Smitten by Mithanel Marr for defiling one of his temples. Its a lowbie quest. Here you go:</DIV><BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV><IMG src="http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4695/mithanelmarrsmite3wr.jpg"></DIV><BR><BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Doesnt Smitten mean sort of infatuated/in love etc. Shouldnt it be Smited by.<BR><BR>Anyone on topic again, hopefully this will be done nicely and be useful but not a "you must choose this god if you're this class" type system. Good/evil divides should be kept but i hope thats as restrictive as it gets.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually I beleive the word is Smote, but I'm not an English major.<p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:11 AM</span>

[Zh]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zabjade wrote:<div><font color="#66ff00" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">I think they are coming back because they are loosing power without worshipers. Interestingly the only god that doesn't seem to have any worshipers is The Nameless and he/she/it was the one to create Norrath.</font></div> <div><font color="#66ff00" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font color="#66ff00" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Anyway will the races/classes be shoehorned into which god they can choose from a list or will the gods be desperate enough to take anyone? Will there be any benifits from being Agnostic?</font></div><hr></blockquote>I don't think thier power comes from being worshipped. I mean the gods came and placed life upon Norrath so they had thier power without us easily. It's not that the gods would be desperate enough to take anyone. I doubt they ever cared if anyone believed in them at all for the most part. It'd likely be a more open system due to the times and the mixing of cultures.</div>

[Arthais]

<DIV>Don't count on that quest as an indication of anything.  I mentioned it to a few devs at fan faire and the response I got was that it was less a leading piece of lore and more a plot hole, which they'd fix.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was a mistake, it doesn't mean anything.</DIV>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MakhailSammael wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I don't know about returning, but I'm glad they're at least giving us the option of worshipping them again.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So, you still standing by this statement?</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=7172&query.id=15059#M7172" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=7172&query.id=15059#M7172</A></P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>BURN! rofl</P> <P>It was always my impression that the gods, some or all, would return because they cant endure their existance without meddling in mortal affairs.  it doesnt break the core of eq2 existance.  this is a persistant world after all.  norrath evolves and this is part of its evolution.  as long as i can worship Innoruuk again, ill be happy.</P>

[Creppie]

Just like the Titans were replaced by the greek gods, so too could the gods of Norath be replaced.   It seems quite possible that with the void left by the gods turning their backs on us (or us them depending on your point of view) , some other being(s) could step in and try and take their place.Hmmm Worshipers of Mistmoore anyone? <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DruVirus wrote:<BR>I highly doubt the God's are returning. If you want God's in the game, go play EverQuest. The main storyline behind EQII is the fact the God's abandoned us. They can't just go against that.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually I don't think it would go against the lore of the game itself if the gods chose to return in some way/form.  The main premise is the shattering took place, everything was torn assunder for something that happend in EQ1 thus we got EQ2 on an alternate time path correspondant to EQ1.  I actually don't believe the gods left us in the usual sense but what they did was hide themselves.  They did this so distinctly it gave the impression that they had abandoned us.  I mean could the bar of brell exist without brell still being around I really don't think so *atleast not imho*.

[Ceeamee]

<P>I am all for the Gods returning and guiding us through Norrath, giving quests and such. Maybe they would give out a quest to grant special blessed armor to their followers.   I just hope that they don't allow us to kill them like they did in EQ1 though.   My God wasn't killable, but it always seemed strange to watch a Paladin killing Mith Marr or Tunare.  Dark Elves killing Inny.  Ogres killing the Zeks.  It's my belief that there was little foundation for a true belief system in EQ1.  Unless you needed to keep on the good side of Tunare, the gods were pretty much open game.  Many times I saw people go back and kill their God once they got what they wanted from them.  </P> <P> </P> <P>My 2cp!</P>

[Ragelin]

<DIV>hopefully they dont place class restrictions on the belief system ( never understood why a paladin couldnt worship the tribunal  i mean cmon they are justice pure and simple )   plus would be fun to be the blacksheep worshiper of a certain diety lol ( bertox worshiping monk hrmmm that could be fun )</DIV>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ragelin wrote:<div>hopefully they dont place class restrictions on the belief system ( never understood why a paladin couldnt worship the tribunal  i mean cmon they are justice pure and simple )   plus would be fun to be the blacksheep worshiper of a certain diety lol ( bertox worshiping monk hrmmm that could be fun )</div><hr></blockquote>I'm pretty sure that won't happen.  For the same reasons monks can't live in Freeport.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>According to the E3 interview, it seems that the story behind Feydwere is that it managed to escape *MOST* of the Rending and Shattering, and that the gods still hold *SOME* influence there. That doesn't mean we'll be seeing the gods, but it would go along with giving all of us a few choices. Not all of the gods, but maybe 8 or so, I'd guess.</DIV>

[Faltigo]

<P>Kelianya said:</P> <P>"I am all for the Gods returning and guiding us through Norrath, giving quests and such. Maybe they would give out a quest to grant special blessed armor to their followers.   I just hope that they don't allow us to kill them like they did in EQ1 though.   My God wasn't killable, but it always seemed strange to watch a Paladin killing Mith Marr or Tunare.  Dark Elves killing Inny.  Ogres killing the Zeks.  It's my belief that there was little foundation for a true belief system in EQ1.  Unless you needed to keep on the good side of Tunare, the gods were pretty much open game.  Many times I saw people go back and kill their God once they got what they wanted from them.  </P> <P> </P> <P>My 2cp!"</P> <P>I remember my guild in EQ1 struggled mightily with the slaying of Mithaniel Marr - as a good guild, it just didn't make sense to slay him.</P> <P>In the end, though, Mithanial Marr is testing your honor - and he does so in the old way, by challenging you at last to battle.  So in the end it made perfect sense for that battle, and that was the only really "good" god that got killed during the Planes of Power.  Heck, it would be the true pinnacle of a Paladin, I think, to do honorable battle with the personification of Honor itself! (think Arthurian knightly combat).  Bertoxxulus, Terris-Thule, Saryrn, the Zeks, Solusek Ro, Cazic-Thule, Innoruuk, the elemental gods - all of those would easily be slain by their followers, as those were gods more to be feared or appeased than served and loved.  It's not like the "good" of Norrath were walking around whacking Quellious and Erollisi Marr!  I guess you could also challenge Tunare if you saw fit, or Karana after he was saved in his Bastion; but for sure, we never did (though the evil guilds in our alliance certainly killed Tunare a time or two. :p )</P> <P>All that being said, the lore behind the Gods and their relationships to each other and the races has always fascinated me; I look forward to seeing their influence once again in the lands of Norrath.  What are Frogloks without the power of Marr?  The Iksar without Cazic-Thule?  The Bloodsabers without Bertoxxulous?  The barbarians without the Marrs, the dwarves without Brell?  The gods are linked to their children; perhaps, we may even see new deities risen - Mayong Mistmoore, Firiona Vie, Al'Kabor, with new children and followers.</P>

[ranger1]

<P>   My impression from reading the "Tome of Destiny" is that the gods have decided to take a "time out" to regroup.  Apearantly having their buts handed to them in EQ has upset a few.  While the "not so nice" gods simply want to destroy us, the "good guy" gods applaud us for what we have accomplished.  A compromise had been made.  They decided to withdraw from our world and rip it apart to weaken us.  </P> <P>   While this was the main plan, a few of the "not so nice" gods decided that they wanted sow into Norath the means for themselves to influence us for the purpose (Im assuming) to gain themselves more power for when they return.  A few of the "good guy" gods saw the plan of the others and they inturn, hatched plans of their own to off set the others' plans.  This is where the Avatars came from. (of which I have started to become quit interested and would love to read more about)</P> <P>  Ok, in a nutshell, the gods never planned to leave forever, just long enough for us to become weaker and them to become stronger.  </P>

[Wrapye]

What I took away from the E3 interview was that belief in the gods in stronger in the lands in EoF, and that collective belief allows for some effects and powers.I also recall reading in the lore that the world of EQII is a parallel one that split off from the official timeline that started with EQ.  So what the gods might or might not have decided to do in EQ may not have direct bearing on EQII.<div></div>

[randomname]

<P>Remember at the end of chapter one of the tome of destiny, the Tranquil forms an additional alliance with Karana and Tunare. Yet throughout the rest of the Tome of Destiny no actions by Tunare are noted. On the EoF website, the lore says that the fae spread the power of growth throughout Faydwer.  Finally, according to the interview Faydwer is spared much of the hardships of Norrath, the gods have more power here, and the gods are not forgotten.</P> <P>All this leads me to believe that Tunare's part of the alliance was to protect and cultivate Faydwer while Rallos and Solusek raged war on Antonica. With the Avatars of Tranquility and Storms able to defeat the Avatars of War and Flame (with help from Avatars of Underfoot and Fear) Tunare's power was not needed; however, that does not mean she would stop. All these years have gone by leaving Faydwer safer (relatively speaking).  The rest of Norrath resents the gods for leaving them when they needed them the most. But Norrathians have found themselves pretty resilient without the help of the gods and many now spite the gods and refuse to worship them. But Faith in the gods remained strong in Faydwer, due to its more calmful transition into the Age of Destiny, and so the gods would be more apt to make their presence known: for greater followers means greater power (or perhaps faster restoration of power) for the gods.</P> <P>This would explain why faith and belief would make a return in EoF. However, it was stated in the first chapter of the Age of Destiny that some of the demi-planes cease to exist. One could logically conclude that some of the demi-gods that ruled these forgotten planes cease to exist as well. Also, I would think the actions taken by the Tranquil, Rainkeeper, Burning Prince and Warlord (even maybe the Duke of Below and The Faceless) may have made them weaker (using up much of their reserves) making it too difficult to make themselves known right now. At the very least I would expect Solusek and Rallos to be punished for the attempts at breaching the aggreement with the council.</P> <P>Regardless, we can be certain Tunare will be there and where Tunare goes Innurrok is sure to follow. I think Rodcet Nife would be a choice. Growth of the forest would lead to an increase in life. Also, the Plaguebringer might appear due to all the death and decay that the Rending and Shattering has brought to Norrath. Finally, the protection afforded to Faydwer and the preoccupation of the gods in excuting their plans may have assisted Mistmoore in achieving goodhood (no gods to interfere). However, we have a server named Mistmoore and I know that EQ2's server naming convention is to name after places not gods. Anyway, that's all I am willing to speculate on until more information is given.</P> <P> </P>

[Siufu]

From the latest Gamespot impression of Fallen Dynasty:http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquestfallendynasty/news.html?sid=6150935"The plot of Fallen Dynasties revolves around a fallen half-god, half-man that last appeared in Everquest I. He's lost his memory, however, so you'll need to help him jog it by undertaking quests for him..."And from the impression of Echoes of Faydwer:http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquest2expansion/news.html?sid=6150905"Since the game will build upon the return of the gods, which is the storyline players will experience in the upcoming Fallen Dynasties adventure pack, you'll be able to choose a deity to worship. Your choice will open up new abilities and quests to your character."Who is this half-god, half-man?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Siufu wrote:<BR>From the latest Gamespot impression of Fallen Dynasty:<BR>http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquestfallendynasty/news.html?sid=6150935<BR><BR>"The plot of Fallen Dynasties revolves around a fallen half-god, half-man that last appeared in Everquest I. He's lost his memory, however, so you'll need to help him jog it by undertaking quests for him..."<BR><BR><BR>Who is this half-god, half-man?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Zebuxoruk, the only mortal who achieved God-hood. That was the whole storyline of Planes of Power. the residents of Plane of Knowledge found out that he knew the secrets behind the gods themselves, and wanted to free him so he could share it to all mortals.

[Wrapye]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Siufu wrote:From the latest Gamespot impression of Fallen Dynasty:http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquestfallendynasty/news.html?sid=6150935"The plot of Fallen Dynasties revolves around a fallen half-god, half-man that last appeared in Everquest I. He's lost his memory, however, so you'll need to help him jog it by undertaking quests for him..."Who is this half-god, half-man? <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Zebuxoruk, the only mortal who achieved God-hood. That was the whole storyline of Planes of Power. the residents of Plane of Knowledge found out that he knew the secrets behind the gods themselves, and wanted to free him so he could share it to all mortals.<hr></blockquote>And in the ensuing conflict of interests, a parallel timeline was generated, separate from the EQ1 line, which is where EQ2 resides.</div>

[Kindayr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Siufu wrote:<BR>From the latest Gamespot impression of Fallen Dynasty:<BR>http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquestfallendynasty/news.html?sid=6150935<BR><BR>"The plot of Fallen Dynasties revolves around a fallen half-god, half-man that last appeared in Everquest I. He's lost his memory, however, so you'll need to help him jog it by undertaking quests for him..."<BR><BR><BR>Who is this half-god, half-man?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Zebuxoruk, the only mortal who achieved God-hood. That was the whole storyline of Planes of Power. the residents of Plane of Knowledge found out that he knew the secrets behind the gods themselves, and wanted to free him so he could share it to all mortals.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heh, I can't wait for FD actually <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P> </P> <P>And we're not sure if Zebuxoruk is the only mortal to achieve God-Hood, right now that is. Like someone earlier said, Mistmoore could have easily reached it by now.<BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Mistmoore never happened though. That's all part of Eqlive's timesplit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I admit though there are other mortals who were given godhood. Saryrn for example was a human female but then Innoruuk turned her into the god of torment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zebuxoruk was the only mortal to Achieve god-hood completely on accident or whatever it was that happened to him. Other demi-gods were given it to them. He found it for himself.</DIV>

[Faltigo]

<P>Zeb wasn't the only mortal to achieve godhood; let us not forget Vazaelle Kaleine (description taken from Eq Ogaming)</P> <P><BR>"An Erudite by heritage, Vazaelle lived among those who were ousted from Erudin for necromancy. During her lifetime, she was a dedicated devout Cazicite, though a combination of religious zeal and prophetic visions stripped from her any semblance of sanity. Lifted up by her deity and given her own domain, the power of her madness shaped it into the semblance of old Paineel after its destruction. From her realm, Vazaelle occasionally foresees an event in the future of some unsuspecting Norrathian citizen, whose life will change drastically when that event occurs. Depending on the severity of Vazaelle's mental state during the vision, that poor individual will know some degree of madness for the rest of their days, suffering from the touch of Vazaelle the Mad."</P> <P>Doesn't sound like full godhood, but minor deity - but deity nonetheless.</P> <P>And while Mistmoore's pursuit of godhood happened after the Eq/Eq2 divergence, I still see it as fully within the realm of possibility that he may actively be pursuing it in this timeline, or have achieved it.  Sure, the Legion of Mata Muram never invaded in EQ2; but the 'big names' from that time certainly should still be active.  Something tells me Mayong Mistmoore didn't get hit by a piece of Luclin or drown in the Shattering or something.</P><p>Message Edited by Faltigoth on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faltigoth wrote:<BR> <P>Zeb wasn't the only mortal to achieve godhood; let us not forget Vazaelle Kaleine (description taken from Eq Ogaming)</P> <P><BR>"An Erudite by heritage, Vazaelle lived among those who were ousted from Erudin for necromancy. During her lifetime, she was a dedicated devout Cazicite, though a combination of religious zeal and prophetic visions stripped from her any semblance of sanity. Lifted up by her deity and given her own domain, the power of her madness shaped it into the semblance of old Paineel after its destruction. From her realm, Vazaelle occasionally foresees an event in the future of some unsuspecting Norrathian citizen, whose life will change drastically when that event occurs. Depending on the severity of Vazaelle's mental state during the vision, that poor individual will know some degree of madness for the rest of their days, suffering from the touch of Vazaelle the Mad."</P> <P>Doesn't sound like full godhood, but minor deity - but deity nonetheless.</P> <P>And while Mistmoore's pursuit of godhood happened after the Eq/Eq2 divergence, I still see it as fully within the realm of possibility that he may actively be pursuing it in this timeline, or have achieved it.  Sure, the Legion of Mata Muram never invaded in EQ2; but the 'big names' from that time certainly should still be active.  Something tells me Mayong Mistmoore didn't get hit by a piece of Luclin or drown in the Shattering or something.</P> <P>Message Edited by Faltigoth on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:59 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>As I just posted above, They were GIVEN godhood to them by another god. Zeb FOUND godhood by means we don't know, but no god gave it to him.

[Faltigo]

<P>He achieved godhood through knowledge and manipulation of the Divine Cypher, didn't he?  That's the way I understood it while following the story of the PoP flagging process, but its been a long time.</P> <P>And yeah, sorry about that, I missed your earlier post.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faltigoth wrote:<BR> <P>He achieved godhood through knowledge and manipulation of the Divine Cypher, didn't he?  That's the way I understood it while following the story of the PoP flagging process, but its been a long time.</P> <P>And yeah, sorry about that, I missed your earlier post.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I get the feeling you were posting it at the same time I did. :p

[ranger1]

I think the timeline thing for EQ, EQLive and EQ2 have become jumbled and confused.  I would love to see a Dev post exactly which timeline we should be paying attention to.  At least let us know the path through the ages we are currently on here in EQ2 would be great.<p>Message Edited by ranger1 on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 PM</span>