Obelisk of Lost Souls -- What Happened There?

[SageGaspar]

I was just picking up some dragon runes in Obelisk for a friend today, and I found myself wondering, what exactly has happened within the Tower of Vul?Previously I'd always just thought it was something that the shadowed men (or their masters, or whoever) set down as a base of operations.But then if you really look around, all over the place there's smashed up display cases (containing info from the extradimensional travelers), crashed chandeliers, a human-sized bed with an axe buried in it, piles of rubble... I mean, it looked like it was a place built for experimenting on or torturing humanoids, but the beds look to be in poor places for cells, and who was wielding the giant axe that went into it? And why is it in such disrepair?So I wonder, was their perhaps some sort of struggle or war against the shadowed men? Did the nightbloods rebel? Are the shadowed men not the true inhabitants of the place, but really an enemy of the faction that used to control it? Did the Tower of Vul exist before the people from another dimension came upon it?Or do the shadowed men just really not care about tidying up their place? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Just one of the mysteries of the obelisk that we'll more than likely never find out. They are chaotic, so it's understandable that everything is pretty smashed up and broken.</DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

I'm guessing that the damage was caused by intruders from another plane (Norrath, probably), and that it was meant to have happened too recently for the Obelisk to send around cleaners.

[EQ2Playa432]

It probably dosen't help, but this zone was originally named Obelisk of Vul, if you look at beta screenshots or while installing the game.<div></div>

[SpryYoungE]

I thought the Tower of Vul in the Feerrott was just some old Rallosian/Fear ruins that the portal sprung up in the middle of, possibly causing the ruin. Am I wrong?

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>SpryYoungElf wrote:I thought the Tower of Vul in the Feerrott was just some old Rallosian/Fear ruins that the portal sprung up in the middle of, possibly causing the ruin. Am I wrong?<hr></blockquote>There is actually some contention on that point I think, I remember long posts wondering if the structure in the Feerrott was directly above the obelisk (coming from the Feerrott having the most direct portal and being related to the Obelisk in a couple different ways, surpassed only maybe by the shadowed presence in EL).I've just taken to calling the tower within the Tower of Vul, but you might well be right. My thoughts are more along the lines of wondering if maybe the Obelisk's original inhabitants aren't the same either.</div>

[ganng]

<P>There is plenty of lore to indicate the that tower is related to the shadowed men but the shadowed men are actually a victim of the true masters of the obelisk(s).  The true master has yet to be shown but you get the strong impression that it is an evil planar force.  As far as the state of disrepair within the tower goes; there is a passage that the technology that powers the tower is fueled by souls (thus the name).  You will recount in your adventures there is not a lot of activity along the soul harvesting line.  This would lead me to think that something has gone wrong.....</P> <P>speaking of things gone wrong there is lore that indicates that in the event of an emergency there are several key members of society that need to be secured... one of these special people makes an appearance in the Peacock quest line warranting the correlation that something did indeed go wrong for the shadows and their master and when they attempted to attain the required specimens someone or something intervened....</P> <P>Just a thought...</P>

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>ganng wrote:<div></div> <p>There is plenty of lore to indicate the that tower is related to the shadowed men but the shadowed men are actually a victim of the true masters of the obelisk(s).  The true master has yet to be shown but you get the strong impression that it is an evil planar force.  As far as the state of disrepair within the tower goes; there is a passage that the technology that powers the tower is fueled by souls (thus the name).  You will recount in your adventures there is not a lot of activity along the soul harvesting line.  This would lead me to think that something has gone wrong.....</p> <p>speaking of things gone wrong there is lore that indicates that in the event of an emergency there are several key members of society that need to be secured... one of these special people makes an appearance in the Peacock quest line warranting the correlation that something did indeed go wrong for the shadows and their master and when they attempted to attain the required specimens someone or something intervened....</p> <p>Just a thought...</p><hr></blockquote>I was just curious where you picked up that the shadowed men are victims -- it seems the shadowed men and the evil eyes are in together on some scheme, though mostly shadowed men. Lamia and nightbloods also seem to be keep players, but they seem to be tools of the others. It could be that shadowed men are just sorta the planar representation of some guys from another dimension, but I don't think they're creatures under the control of some other masters.In the vestibule at least you can clearly see shadowed men taking over goblins. Also some of the books talk about shadows coming. Plus, the new portals around the cavern in the sky that they added when they revamped it look like giant shadowed men portals without the men.I would assume the things flying off the tower and flowing into them and around them are souls, as well, so the trafficking in souls appears to still be quite active.As to the acquisition list, I had always assumed that contingency hadn't happened, but it is an interesting idea that it happened and somehow failed (or maybe was successful?).</div>

[Tyrus Dracofire]

<P>what am i thinking? just my theory.</P> <P>it might be one of lost research center from ages ago. folks got "attacked and raided" by none than others, Raliosians the orge hordes since it is part of old pre-shattered raliosain area. so the place seem very messy and abandoned, making new lair for shadowmens and evil eyes alliances, those undeads used nightbloods for preventing next ogre raids.</P>

[Methriln]

I know its a little of topic but i noticed something strange to me at least i nthe halls of antheiam(cant spell).I was board so was running arund reading those scroll cases and some of them mentioned names of people.Some i reconized some were from haflings around el and 1 was kyle bayle.....It struck me as strange that these names were listed.

[Vhalen]

<DIV>The Obelisk of Lost Souls has many names. The Obelisk is a myth to most Norrathians. This deadly place has also been called the Obelisk of the Void, The Tower of Shadows, The Tower of Rot and the Obelisk of Vul, as well as many others less popular. This place is oblivion and those unlucky enough to discover this dungeon are forsaken and never to be seen again save for the few who live to tell the tale. Those who often tell the tales are not those who enter the dungeon, but are those who stand at its arcane gate and watch as the brave and foolish enter this place of no return. But some of those tales include tales of the halls of the obelisk stretching on farther than the exterior would allow. Tales of fiendish creatures and shadowy men soon follow, as does a call for another round of Blackburrow Stout. This obelisk is like a phantom as it vanishes from one location only to appear at another, days later. Does this dungeon truly exist or is this yet another dungeon created in the basin of a goblet of ale?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Understanding this mythical place would require knowledge of the history behind those that maintain the mysteries of the Obelisk of Lost Souls.<BR></DIV>

[Renita_Serafim]

<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=8712&query.id=202035#M8712" target=_blank>A theory</A> on the Obelisk that I posted to a Shadowed Men thread recently. I'd repost it here, but the invalid HTML message displays when I try.

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nethirln wrote:<BR> I know its a little of topic but i noticed something strange to me at least i nthe halls of antheiam(cant spell).I was board so was running arund reading those scroll cases and some of them mentioned names of people.Some i reconized some were from haflings around el and 1 was <FONT color=#ff0000>kyle bayle</FONT>.....It struck me as strange that these names were listed.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>For those who have done any of the Qeynos Claymore quest line in KoS... what did the Droag shade in Sanctum of Scaleborn say his name was? I know it was a Bayle, but I can't remember the first name, and I can't find my quest dialogue at the moment...</P> <P>If this scroll proves a link between the Bayle's and the Obelisk, and now we see one of the Bayle's ghosts in the temple of the Droag... then we might have proof that Kerafyrm (or his followers) are indeed pulling souls from the Obelisk, and it might confirm the Tarinax theory about him being captured by the shadow men that was posted somewhere else in these forums.</P>

[Inkar]

<div></div><div></div>The name I found in my logs is Kyle Antihilus Bayle.<div></div><p><span class="date_text"></span><span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="date_text"></span><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by redleader00 on <span class=date_text>05-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:17 AM</span>

[Methriln]

Hmmm maybe there is a conection with the 2