Kerafyrm mentioned by Mobs in Lyceum

[eXperience25]

Some of the Mobs in the new raidzone says during the fighting: "Torn asunder by the might of Kerafyrm's legions!" So some part of the KoS expansion is around Kerafyrm? The herolds in sanctum of scaleburn also  mentioned "his" and "he", someone who is even one tier higher in the hierarchy structure than Harla Dar. eX <div></div>

[Dreadfie]

Yeah, I've always thought KoS at the very least pointed towards Kerafyrm if didn't actually include him as a mob.The Awakened= The awakened sleeper= Kerafyrm.The dragons of both old factions know the prophecy regarding The Sleeper being the one who is supposed to bring Norrath back to the children of Veeshan.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The entire premise of Kingdom of Sky revolves around Kerafyrm.</DIV>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>I was going to mention this.  It's what the mobs in Deathtoll say too, but should definitely be removed from the Lyceum droags.  They worship Cazic now, not Kerafyrm.  They even speak Thulian.</DIV>

[xentavius]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:Yeah, I've always thought KoS at the very least pointed towards Kerafyrm if didn't actually include him as a mob.The Awakened= The awakened sleeper= Kerafyrm.The dragons of both old factions know the prophecy regarding The Sleeper being the one who is supposed to bring Norrath back to the children of Veeshan.<div></div><hr></blockquote> The Awakened may not refer to Kerafym... well it might, but it's not the only way it's used. Read the collectible book 'The Awakened' It tells the history and purpose of the Droag. Originally created to serve Veeshan and enforce her laws, with her absence, some started to question their purpose. According to Droag law, questioning their faith is forbidden, so anyone who did, was sentenced to death. So in a nutshell the Awakened are what a secret sect of Droag's call themselves. Their minds have been awakened so to speak. So I am starting to think 'The Awakened' is a name of a group of droag probably serving under a yet to be revealed dragon... who just might be Kerafym. <div></div><p>Message Edited by xentavius on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:38 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>The Awakened IS Kerafyrm.  This is confirmed by Lord Nagafen.</DIV>

[xentavius]

<blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:<div>The Awakened IS Kerafyrm.  This is confirmed by Lord Nagafen.</div><hr></blockquote>Pre or post KoS?<div></div>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>During Deathtoll access:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>You say to Lord Nagafen,"Not only did you use me to make sure your egg was destroyed, but you told me that Kerafyrm was dead."</P> <P>Lord Nagafen says to you,"Yes, I had received inaccurate information in that regard which was subsequently passed on to you. That is regrettable, but it would be foolish to dwell on such matters. What's important is the threat his cult of followers now represents."</P> <P>You say to Lord Nagafen,"What threat do you mean, exactly?"</P> <P>Lord Nagafen says to you,"Kerafyrm means to conquer Norrath, destroying anything he cannot subjugate. Fortunately for us, the fact that he pulled another of his disappearing tricks means we have a window of opportunity."</P></DIV>

[NoNameChosen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> eXperience25 wrote:<BR>Some of the Mobs in the new raidzone says during the fighting:<BR>"Torn asunder by the might of Kerafyrm's legions!"<BR>So some part of the KoS expansion is around Kerafyrm?<BR>The herolds in sanctum of scaleburn also  mentioned "his" and "he",<BR>someone who is even one tier higher in the hierarchy structure than Harla Dar.<BR><BR><BR><BR>eX<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I've seen this message in All the raid zones, it's all said by Droags though. Seen it in the Laboratory of Lord Vyemm, Deathtoll, Lyceum and Temple of Scale.

[xentavius]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:<div>During Deathtoll access:</div> <div> </div> <div> <p>You say to Lord Nagafen,"Not only did you use me to make sure your egg was destroyed, but you told me that Kerafyrm was dead."</p> <p>Lord Nagafen says to you,"Yes, I had received inaccurate information in that regard which was subsequently passed on to you. That is regrettable, but it would be foolish to dwell on such matters. What's important is the threat his cult of followers now represents."</p> <p>You say to Lord Nagafen,"What threat do you mean, exactly?"</p> <p>Lord Nagafen says to you,"Kerafyrm means to conquer Norrath, destroying anything he cannot subjugate. Fortunately for us, the fact that he pulled another of his disappearing tricks means we have a window of opportunity."</p></div><hr></blockquote>Nice, I haven't gotten that far into Deathtoll's access... but I'm getting there!! The point of my original post is that the droag followers of, I know now Kerafym, also call themselves The Awakened. Naggy also confirms that(his cult of followers line). I was thinking of it as more of a spiritual/mental awakening than that of obedience to THE Awakened. The book The Awakened doesn't even mention a dragon except for Veeshan. I still think there might be an Awakened 'boss' dragon that's not Kerafyrm... someone who corralled and organized the dissenting-non-veeshan-following droag in Kerafyrm's absence. From a pratical standpoint.. Kerafyrm is suppossed to be the strongest dragon around.. Naggy is level 100.... unless Kerafyrm is in an EXTREMELY vulnerable state, I don't think anyone will be fighting him for quite a while... at least not in this expansion... so that leads me to think someone else might be pulling the strings behind the scenes. <div></div><p>Message Edited by xentavius on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:12 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xentavius wrote:<BR> <BR>The point of my original post is that the droag followers of, I know now Kerafym, also call themselves The Awakened. Naggy also confirms that(his cult of followers line). I was thinking of it as more of a spiritual/mental awakening than that of obedience to THE Awakened. The book The Awakened doesn't even mention a dragon except for Veeshan.<BR><BR>I still think there might be an Awakened 'boss' dragon that's not Kerafyrm... someone who corralled and organized the dissenting-non-veeshan-following droag in Kerafyrm's absence.<BR>From a pratical standpoint.. Kerafyrm is suppossed to be the strongest dragon around.. Naggy is level 100.... unless Kerafyrm is in an EXTREMELY vulnerable state, I don't think anyone will be fighting him for quite a while... at least not in this expansion... so that leads me to think someone else might be pulling the strings behind the scenes.<BR><BR><BR> <P>Message Edited by xentavius on <SPAN class=date_text>04-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:12 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>The Awakened is basically short for The Cult of The Awakened.  The droag may not all be followers of Kerafyrm, but they all follow one of his four leaders, who in turn are loyal to Kerafyrm.  There is no-one organising anything in Kerafyrm's absence, Naggy goes on to say now is the perfect time to strike at his four leaders (Vyemm, Harla, Gorenaire and Talendor) because they're unorganised and have no leader.  I highly doubt we'll even see Kerafyrm for a very long time, definitely not in this expansion.  The hardest dragon you fight in KoS is Tarinax who has been brought back to life to become the guardian of Deathtoll for Kerafyrm.  I've not seen much lore on this guy, so I'd love to see some more (Vhalen, are you there?).  <BR></P>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<P>A little off topic, but...</P> <P>Why do we -always- end up working for Nagafen?</P> <P>I was having this dicussion with a friend... She claims he's just the evil genius of Norrath, plotting so that it's inevitable we do his dirty work for him. Either that, or we're all just saps.</P> <P>I'm thinking a little from column A, a little from column B... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Ama]

There is alot of big time lore with KoS which i'm very happy about.  It revolves around the "Droag" and how the shattering tore their home assunder.  Also it deals with the 4 or 5 dragon lords bickering amongst themselves with Nagafen being up to his old tricks.  Nagafen even sends you on a mission to the dreaded "Death Toll" where Tarinax *sp* resides.

[Themaginator]

<div></div> "The Awakened" is 4 dragons...the ancients that served Kerafyrm as his generals, that became insanely powerful in his absence (or so i hear).  now im  absolutely sure Kerafyrm is alive and is involoved in this but i would take anything Naggy says with a grain of salt.  Dragons are known liers<div></div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:55 PM</span>

[Dreadfie]

A possible KoS end-boss <i>could</i> be Kildrukaun The Ancient, Arch Priest of Veeshan given his intimate connection with Kerafyrm's upbringing.The following EQ1 text is from a dialog with Jortreva the Crusader who can be found in Skyshrine (home city of the Claws of Veeshan for non-EQ1 players). It is pre-Planes of Power so lore relevent to EQ2. I was a bit of a Karafyrm lore nut back in the day so I kept the log text:<hr size="2" width="100%">[Sun Sep 29 22:48:04 2002] You say, 'Hail, Jortreva the Crusader'[Sun Sep 29 22:48:05 2002] Jortreva the Crusader lifts her wings in a graceful motion as she lowers her chin to eye Ironhand in greetings, ''I am Jortreva, Crusader of Veeshan. I am the ear to the whispers upon the shadows and the eyes to witness the tainted footsteps of our enemies that corrupt our path. Your kind, the second generation of the lesser gods' creation, have brought us into being as we are now -- for that, we hold neither gratitude nor contempt. It is your actions that have sent us spiraling through an umbra of immeasurable danger that could secure the destruction of all upon this world, but it shall be through the undying efforts of the [champions] that we may have some chance to ward this darkness back into the oblivion it strives to create.''[Sun Sep 29 22:48:25 2002] You say, 'What are champions?'[Sun Sep 29 22:48:25 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''We are four elemental dragons bred to be champions among our people -- within this world. We do not seek recognition or praise from either world -- yours or that of Veeshan's brood -- but we seek to protect and maintain the balance that keeps our worlds separate, yet unified upon the same plane of existence. When Kerafyrm was first placed into stasis by our predecessors, the elemental warders, the [council] ordered the arranged breeding of what would be the warders' replacements when the time came for their stations to ascend. However, the unpredicted actions of the second generation have thrown us into a new role -- the role of Crusaders.'''[Sun Sep 29 22:48:39 2002] You say, 'What council?'[Sun Sep 29 22:48:39 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''When dragon kind was accompanied upon this world by the lesser god's intrusion, the council of elders was formed. Immediately our ancestors realized the need for our kind to be of sound unification if we were to prevail and remain the superior beings upon what is rightfully our world. As we watched the eras pass through both the second generation and our own cultures, the members of the council changed. Eventually, one known as Kildrukaun would be appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony -- a sacred part of our institution that I shall not divulge to one as yourself. His first decree would be to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. Time would pass again before [fate] would descend upon Kildrukaun's decree.'''[Sun Sep 29 22:48:47 2002] You say, 'What fate?'[Sun Sep 29 22:48:47 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Two dragons of opposite elemental powers confronted the council with their desire to mate. Kildrukaun immediately dismissed any blessing and ordered the dragons from ever fulfilling their desires. These two were young still and very headstrong, regarding the council and its rules to be outdated when considering the growing influence and power of the second generation. They fled to unknown corners of Norrath and there, they bound their souls in a sacred union that would forge the first prismatic dragon. When knowledge of this event came to the council, Kildrukaun, a being of great wisdom and calm heart for regard of his own people looked upon the prismatic's creation as that of Veeshan's will, for conceivably unto him, only Veeshan herself could defy her great priest's rule. The council was in agreement and the hatchling, who would be named Kerafyrm, the Prophetic Savior, was allowed to continue existence under close watch that would be [governed by Kildrukaun himself].'''[Sun Sep 29 22:48:53 2002] You say, 'How was it governed by Kildrukaun himself?'[Sun Sep 29 22:48:53 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Although Kildrukaun was inspired and intrigued by Kerafyrm's existence, he was wary still for he had yet to be witness to the true intent of Veeshan's will. In this time, the dragon nation had split and were in opposing power -- the Ring of Scale whom fled their native Velious for Kunark, and the Claws of Veeshan, the original order and council of dragon kind. It was known that Kildrukaun was furious with the recent division and he strongly believed that it was Veeshan's will for the dragon nations to reunite once again, lest they become as weak and pitiful as the second generation. He viewed Kerafyrm to be the road that would guide the dragons to unification, although it was a unification that would be borne of an unknown purpose that Kerafyrm served. Kildrukaun never  interacted with the young prismatic dragon, but served as the dictator behind his mentors. Eventually, Kerafyrm would rise to a power unseen within any dragon of his still fledgling age and Kildrukaun's [prophecy] would be born.''[Sun Sep 29 22:48:59 2002] You say, 'What Prophecy?'[Sun Sep 29 22:48:59 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kildrukaun was of the mind that Kerafyrm was meant to lead the dragon nation in a civil war -- the Claws of Veeshan invading the great mountain fortress known as Veeshan's Peak that the Ring of Scale had established. He was certain that his campaign would unify the dragons and this was nothing less than the will of Veeshan herself. The council dismissed Kildrukaun's prophecy, exclaiming that although they must find a way to bring the Ring of Scale back under the wing of the elder council, they could not wage a war and abandon the threat of Kael Drakkal. Kildrukaun was furious, although he did not confront the council directly. Over the passing centuries, he would sway three of the [council elders] to his side and would personally oversee Kerafyrm's final stages of growth. Eventually the time would come when the council would [recognize their mistake] in allowing Kerafyrm to exist and their order for his termination would be the greatest impact in their destiny.''[Sun Sep 29 22:49:13 2002] You say, 'What council elders?'[Sun Sep 29 22:49:13 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''When dragon kind was accompanied upon this world by the lesser god's intrusion, the council of elders was formed. Immediately our ancestors realized the need for our kind to be of sound unification if we were to prevail and remain the superior beings upon what is rightfully our world. As we watched the eras pass through both the second generation and our own cultures, the members of the council changed. Eventually, one known as Kildrukaun would be appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony -- a sacred part of our institution that I shall not divulge to one as yourself. His first decree would be to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. Time would pass again before [fate] would descend upon Kildrukaun's decree.'''[Sun Sep 29 22:49:48 2002] You say, 'How would the recognize their mistake?'[Sun Sep 29 22:49:48 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kerafyrm quickly ascended the ranks within the Claws of Veeshan and eventually became our most powerful general. He led several successful campaigns against the rising threat of the giants of Kael and his influence grew among the elders of the council. However, something dark grew within him -- his bite became venomous and his talon ruthless in its command over his troops and allies. Eventually, his dominion and influence was nothing short of a monstrous creature of pure malignant hatred and an unrivaled lust for destruction and chaos that the council had no other choice but to demand his destruction -- a rule that Kildrukaun was present to hear and deceitfully condone. Shortly thereafter, Kildrukaun and four council elders whom the arch priest had managed to sway with his charismatic diplomacy and sound argument of his prophecy flew to Kerafyrm's side, where the four of them made preparations for the inevitable [war] to come.'''[Sun Sep 29 22:50:41 2002] You say, 'What war?'[Sun Sep 29 22:50:42 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Although short lived, the war between Kerafyrm's legions and those of the Claws of Veeshan would be a near crippling blow to the survival of the elder dragon council upon Velious. Kerafyrm's legions were severely outnumbered by those of the elder council, but time and time again they displayed their awesome strength and power. Eventually, Kerafyrm was restrained and taken to what would be his place of indefinite slumber. The four traitorous elders fled Velious safely to unknown locations, where they would lay in wait until the time came that Kerafyrm would be released. After centuries of hiding, the Ancients have returned and they now have a near unbreakable hold upon the former tomb of their master, where again they lay in wait -- anticipating the arrival of their master and the time to execute the undoubtedly phenomenal plan that will [bring about the extinction of all great existence] upon Norrath if they are successful.'''[Sun Sep 29 22:54:02 2002] You say, 'why will they bring about the extinction of all great existence?'[Sun Sep 29 22:54:02 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kildrukaun has always despised the second generation and has long sought your total demise. Kerafyrm undoubtedly seeks vengeance for the actions of the Claws of Veeshan against him and together, the arch priest and Kerafyrm will seek to reconstruct this world in their own mind's image of what it should be -- a world that belongs solely to Veeshan's children, reborn in Kildrukaun's ideals, and subservient to Kerafyrm. They are truly mad with hate and an untamable lust for destruction -- one that [we must extinguish] forever.'''<hr size="2" width="100%">The above conversation required ally faction with Skyshrine if I remember correctly. The final paragraph is nice because it explains the prophecy of Kerafyrm in no uncertain terms.The four Ancients of The Sleepers Tomb were:<font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="3">Tjudawos The AncientVyskudra The AncientZeixshi`Kar The AncientKildrukaun The Ancient</font></font></font><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="3">I do agree that Kerafyrm would be much too powerful to be an killable mob in EQ2. He was near impossible back in EQ1 and he's had 500 years to get stronger and look what happened to little Naggy during that time. Imagine what Kerafyrm would be like now. Remember though, when Kerafyrm was introduced in EQ1, he was "unkillable" by the standards of the day. I could see a bane weapon quest (along the lines of Seru bane weapons in EQ1) or some major time sink quest that gave players the ability to bring major fire power or help to level the playing field.</font></font></font><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="3">Once again, Kildrukaun seems like a nice tie in to KoS when the above lore is considered. It would make sense that he could be the end boss.</font></font></font>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Over at the Cacotoxic Stain island in Bonemire, the droag skeletons sometimes say "Kerafyrm will smash you to pieces!" or something close to that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They deffinitly say "Kerafyrm" though.</DIV>

[Thakar]

<blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:<font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="3">I do agree that Kerafyrm would be much too powerful to be an killable mob in EQ2. He was near impossible back in EQ1 and he's had 500 years to get stronger and look what happened to little Naggy during that time. Imagine what Kerafyrm would be like now. Remember though, when Kerafyrm was introduced in EQ1, he was "unkillable" by the standards of the day. I could see a bane weapon quest (along the lines of Seru bane weapons in EQ1) or some major time sink quest that gave players the ability to bring major fire power or help to level the playing field.</font></font></font><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="3">Once again, Kildrukaun seems like a nice tie in to KoS when the above lore is considered. It would make sense that he could be the end boss.</font></font></font><hr></blockquote> Kerafyrm isn't unkillable in EQ1, just absurdly powerful...the players of Rallos Zek server killed him.  Of course, it took a lot of players (something like two hundred? it's been a while, I don't remember exactly) and several hours to finish him off.  He also died to exploiters (wasn't that also on a Zek server?).<div></div>

[MoD1133]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thakar wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT size=3>I do agree that Kerafyrm would be much too powerful to be an killable mob in EQ2. He was near impossible back in EQ1 and he's had 500 years to get stronger and look what happened to little Naggy during that time. Imagine what Kerafyrm would be like now. Remember though, when Kerafyrm was introduced in EQ1, he was "unkillable" by the standards of the day. I could see a bane weapon quest (along the lines of Seru bane weapons in EQ1) or some major time sink quest that gave players the ability to bring major fire power or help to level the playing field.</FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT size=3><BR>Once again, Kildrukaun seems like a nice tie in to KoS when the above lore is considered. It would make sense that he could be the end boss.</FONT></FONT></FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Kerafyrm isn't unkillable in EQ1, just absurdly powerful...the players of Rallos Zek server killed him.  Of course, it took a lot of players (something like two hundred? it's been a while, I don't remember exactly) and several hours to finish him off.  He also died to exploiters (wasn't that also on a Zek server?).<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He never died to exploiters, there was a guild who exploited a warder and used the world geometry bug, and they were forced to disband.

[MoD1133]

The awakened worship Kerafyrm as there god now, they have stopped worshipping Veeshan because she just disapeared. Turudramin even mentions this when he says he was punished for going against the dragons who defied Veeshan.

[MoD1133]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR>A possible KoS end-boss <I>could</I> be Kildrukaun The Ancient, Arch Priest of Veeshan given his intimate connection with Kerafyrm's upbringing.<BR><BR>The following EQ1 text is from a dialog with Jortreva the Crusader who can be found in Skyshrine (home city of the Claws of Veeshan for non-EQ1 players). It is pre-Planes of Power so lore relevent to EQ2. I was a bit of a Karafyrm lore nut back in the day so I kept the log text:<BR><BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> <BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:04 2002] You say, 'Hail, Jortreva the Crusader'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:05 2002] Jortreva the Crusader lifts her wings in a graceful motion as she lowers her chin to eye Ironhand in greetings, ''I am Jortreva, Crusader of Veeshan. I am the ear to the whispers upon the shadows and the eyes to witness the tainted footsteps of our enemies that corrupt our path. Your kind, the second generation of the lesser gods' creation, have brought us into being as we are now -- for that, we hold neither gratitude nor contempt. It is your actions that have sent us spiraling through an umbra of immeasurable danger that could secure the destruction of all upon this world, but it shall be through the undying efforts of the [champions] that we may have some chance to ward this darkness back into the oblivion it strives to create.''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:25 2002] You say, 'What are champions?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:25 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''We are four elemental dragons bred to be champions among our people -- within this world. We do not seek recognition or praise from either world -- yours or that of Veeshan's brood -- but we seek to protect and maintain the balance that keeps our worlds separate, yet unified upon the same plane of existence. When Kerafyrm was first placed into stasis by our predecessors, the elemental warders, the [council] ordered the arranged breeding of what would be the warders' replacements when the time came for their stations to ascend. However, the unpredicted actions of the second generation have thrown us into a new role -- the role of Crusaders.'''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:39 2002] You say, 'What council?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:39 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''When dragon kind was accompanied upon this world by the lesser god's intrusion, the council of elders was formed. Immediately our ancestors realized the need for our kind to be of sound unification if we were to prevail and remain the superior beings upon what is rightfully our world. As we watched the eras pass through both the second generation and our own cultures, the members of the council changed. Eventually, one known as Kildrukaun would be appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony -- a sacred part of our institution that I shall not divulge to one as yourself. His first decree would be to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. Time would pass again before [fate] would descend upon Kildrukaun's decree.'''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:47 2002] You say, 'What fate?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:47 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Two dragons of opposite elemental powers confronted the council with their desire to mate. Kildrukaun immediately dismissed any blessing and ordered the dragons from ever fulfilling their desires. These two were young still and very headstrong, regarding the council and its rules to be outdated when considering the growing influence and power of the second generation. They fled to unknown corners of Norrath and there, they bound their souls in a sacred union that would forge the first prismatic dragon. When knowledge of this event came to the council, Kildrukaun, a being of great wisdom and calm heart for regard of his own people looked upon the prismatic's creation as that of Veeshan's will, for conceivably unto him, only Veeshan herself could defy her great priest's rule. The council was in agreement and the hatchling, who would be named Kerafyrm, the Prophetic Savior, was allowed to continue existence under close watch that would be [governed by Kildrukaun himself].'''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:53 2002] You say, 'How was it governed by Kildrukaun himself?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:53 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Although Kildrukaun was inspired and intrigued by Kerafyrm's existence, he was wary still for he had yet to be witness to the true intent of Veeshan's will. In this time, the dragon nation had split and were in opposing power -- the Ring of Scale whom fled their native Velious for Kunark, and the Claws of Veeshan, the original order and council of dragon kind. It was known that Kildrukaun was furious with the recent division and he strongly believed that it was Veeshan's will for the dragon nations to reunite once again, lest they become as weak and pitiful as the second generation. He viewed Kerafyrm to be the road that would guide the dragons to unification, although it was a unification that would be borne of an unknown purpose that Kerafyrm served. Kildrukaun never  interacted with the young prismatic dragon, but served as the dictator behind his mentors. Eventually, Kerafyrm would rise to a power unseen within any dragon of his still fledgling age and Kildrukaun's [prophecy] would be born.''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:59 2002] You say, 'What Prophecy?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:59 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kildrukaun was of the mind that Kerafyrm was meant to lead the dragon nation in a civil war -- the Claws of Veeshan invading the great mountain fortress known as Veeshan's Peak that the Ring of Scale had established. He was certain that his campaign would unify the dragons and this was nothing less than the will of Veeshan herself. The council dismissed Kildrukaun's prophecy, exclaiming that although they must find a way to bring the Ring of Scale back under the wing of the elder council, they could not wage a war and abandon the threat of Kael Drakkal. Kildrukaun was furious, although he did not confront the council directly. Over the passing centuries, he would sway three of the [council elders] to his side and would personally oversee Kerafyrm's final stages of <BR>growth. Eventually the time would come when the council would [recognize their mistake] in allowing Kerafyrm to exist and their order for his termination would be the greatest impact in their destiny.''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:49:13 2002] You say, 'What council elders?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:49:13 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''When dragon kind was accompanied upon this world by the lesser god's intrusion, the council of elders was formed. Immediately our ancestors realized the need for our kind to be of sound unification if we were to prevail and remain the superior beings upon what is rightfully our world. As we watched the eras pass through both the second generation and our own cultures, the members of the council changed. Eventually, one known as Kildrukaun would be appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony -- a sacred part of our institution that I shall not divulge to one as yourself. His first decree would be to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. Time would pass again before [fate] would descend upon Kildrukaun's decree.'''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:49:48 2002] You say, 'How would the recognize their mistake?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:49:48 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kerafyrm quickly ascended the ranks within the Claws of Veeshan and eventually became our most powerful general. He led several successful campaigns against the rising threat of the giants of Kael and his influence grew among the elders of the council. However, something dark grew within him -- his bite became venomous and his talon ruthless in its command over his troops and allies. Eventually, his dominion and influence was nothing short of a monstrous creature of pure malignant hatred and an unrivaled lust for destruction and chaos that the council had no other choice but to demand his destruction -- a rule that Kildrukaun was present to hear and deceitfully condone. Shortly thereafter, Kildrukaun and four council elders whom the arch priest had managed to sway with his charismatic diplomacy and sound argument of his prophecy flew to Kerafyrm's side, where the four of them made preparations for the inevitable [war] to come.'''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:50:41 2002] You say, 'What war?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:50:42 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Although short lived, the war between Kerafyrm's legions and those of the Claws of Veeshan would be a near crippling blow to the survival of the elder dragon council upon Velious. Kerafyrm's legions were severely outnumbered by those of the elder council, but time and time again they displayed their awesome strength and power. Eventually, Kerafyrm was restrained and taken to what would be his place of indefinite slumber. The four traitorous elders fled Velious safely to unknown locations, where they would lay in wait until the time came that Kerafyrm would be released. After centuries of hiding, the Ancients have returned and they now have a near unbreakable hold upon the former tomb of their master, where again they lay in wait -- anticipating the arrival of their master and the time to execute the undoubtedly phenomenal plan that will [bring about the extinction of all great existence] upon Norrath if they are successful.'''<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:54:02 2002] You say, 'why will they bring about the extinction of all great existence?'<BR><BR>[Sun Sep 29 22:54:02 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kildrukaun has always despised the second generation and has long sought your total demise. Kerafyrm undoubtedly seeks vengeance for the actions of the Claws of Veeshan against him and together, the arch priest and Kerafyrm will seek to reconstruct this world in their own mind's image of what it should be -- a world that belongs solely to Veeshan's children, reborn in Kildrukaun's ideals, and subservient to Kerafyrm. They are truly mad with hate and an untamable lust for destruction -- one that [we must extinguish] forever.'''<BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> <BR>The above conversation required ally faction with Skyshrine if I remember correctly. The final paragraph is nice because it explains the prophecy of Kerafyrm in no uncertain terms.<BR><BR>The four Ancients of The Sleepers Tomb were:<FONT size=2><FONT size=2><BR><BR><FONT size=3>Tjudawos The Ancient<BR>Vyskudra The Ancient<BR>Zeixshi`Kar The Ancient<BR>Kildrukaun The Ancient<BR><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT size=3>I do agree that Kerafyrm would be much too powerful to be an killable mob in EQ2. He was near impossible back in EQ1 and he's had 500 years to get stronger and look what happened to little Naggy during that time. Imagine what Kerafyrm would be like now. Remember though, when Kerafyrm was introduced in EQ1, he was "unkillable" by the standards of the day. I could see a bane weapon quest (along the lines of Seru bane weapons in EQ1) or some major time sink quest that gave players the ability to bring major fire power or help to level the playing field.</FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT size=3><BR>Once again, Kildrukaun seems like a nice tie in to KoS when the above lore is considered. It would make sense that he could be the end boss.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The prophecy of Kerafyrm was to reuinte the two split factions of the dragons in an unknown way which I think he has done because there are many dragons from both the Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale who are one faction now called the Awakened.

[Dreadfie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Thakar wrote:Kerafyrm isn't unkillable in EQ1, just absurdly powerful...the players of Rallos Zek server killed him.  Of course, it took a lot of players (something like two hundred? it's been a while, I don't remember exactly) and several hours to finish him off.  He also died to exploiters (wasn't that also on a Zek server?).<div></div><hr></blockquote>I know Kerafyrm was killed around 3 times I think on various EQ1 servers, that's why I put quotation marks around killable. He was <i>considered</i> unkillable. It took quite a while for the players to kill him though.</div>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thakar wrote:<BR><BR>Kerafyrm isn't unkillable in EQ1, just absurdly powerful...the players of Rallos Zek server killed him.  Of course, it took a lot of players (something like two hundred? it's been a while, I don't remember exactly) and several hours to finish him off.  He also died to exploiters (wasn't that also on a Zek server?).<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I know Kerafyrm was killed around 3 times I think on various EQ1 servers, that's why I put quotation marks around killable. He was <I>considered</I> unkillable. It took quite a while for the players to kill him though.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Don't forget that the very few number of times Kerafyrm was killed were well after the Velious expansion. In fact, I think the first time was post-Planes of Power. This means that additional level caps and armor, as well as alternate advancement and planar advancement routes, were added to the game after Kerafyrm was introduced before he was finally killed for the first time. So it's very practical to say that, yes, he was originally "unkillable" :smileywink:</DIV><p>Message Edited by IrishWonder on <span class=date_text>04-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:48 AM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thakar wrote:<BR><BR>Kerafyrm isn't unkillable in EQ1, just absurdly powerful...the players of Rallos Zek server killed him.  Of course, it took a lot of players (something like two hundred? it's been a while, I don't remember exactly) and several hours to finish him off.  He also died to exploiters (wasn't that also on a Zek server?).<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I know Kerafyrm was killed around 3 times I think on various EQ1 servers, that's why I put quotation marks around killable. He was <I>considered</I> unkillable. It took quite a while for the players to kill him though.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>He was only killed ONCE and only ONCE in EQlive. Rallos Zek was the only one to do it.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Technically, Kerafyrm is/was a weaker opponent on the Asian servers, but he respawned over there so it didn't matter if they killed him or not. But that doesn't count as killing him.</P>

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pathin Merrithay wrote:<div></div> <p>A little off topic, but...</p> <p>Why do we -always- end up working for Nagafen?</p> <p>I was having this dicussion with a friend... She claims he's just the evil genius of Norrath, plotting so that it's inevitable we do his dirty work for him. Either that, or we're all just saps.</p> <p>I'm thinking a little from column A, a little from column B... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>I think it's because Naggy's going to pull strings until they eventually reintroduce Kerafyrm and everything boils to a head.I really like it, just annoying to keep having to backflag people up through the storyline, hehe.</div>