Tier`Dal on Faydwer?

[Kindayr]

<DIV>well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://eq2.ogaming.com/gallery/albums/Hidden/Expansion_Hint.sized.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Was released for the next expansion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I'm not mistaken, that that's the sign of Neriak.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also the text is in WOOD ELF. Saying: The Future of EverQuest II</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What do you guys think? Do you think that maybe Dark Elves may have fled to Faydwer?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They did have an ambassador in Crushbone.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Go speak with that Wood Elf in the graveyard in Willowwood. She'll tell you everything you need to know about the War of the Fey.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(P.S. Fallen Gate only exists as it does now because of this war.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*ehem*. More importantly, that symbol was found in Mistmoore Castle, and I think somewhere in Steamfont and Crushbone. I know that it showed up all over the place in Rathe Mountains, but that's not related to this expansion.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 AM</span>

[Dreadfie]

Versions of that graphic can be found in Neriak, but like Cusahorn said, it can also be found in other places around Norrath in EQ1.There was a lot of speculation in EQ1 of what that symbol represents. A lot thought it was an iconic representation of four gods with Veeshan (or Trakanon) in the center.It could be argued that it's a stylized representation on Innoruuk, but his symbol in Neriak is a crudely drawn view of his head in profile.<div></div>

[Bleedingheart]

There were also Dark elves stationed in the Lesser Faydark near the castle of Mistmoore.

[Y]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:There was a lot of speculation in EQ1 of what that symbol represents. A lot thought it was an iconic representation of four gods with Veeshan (or Trakanon) in the center.It could be argued that it's a stylized representation on Innoruuk, but his symbol in Neriak is a crudely drawn view of his head in profile.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Looks like a bat to me <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[mystic5]

That was an expedition of Dark Elves near Mistmoore.  I doubt they have anything to do with it.  Its also possible that the symbol is something Draconic.  I am personally hoping they bring back Faydark in one of the future expansions. <div></div>

[Koehianna]

The symbol in the middle is the symbol for the Dark Elves!!Anyone remember back a while ago, there was a section on the official EQ live site where you can learn about each race, and each race had a symbol.  The symbol for the dark elves was that!<div></div>

[Renita_Serafim]

It's the symbol of Veeshan, not Innoruuk.

[PinkBi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kindayr wrote:<BR> <DIV>well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://eq2.ogaming.com/gallery/albums/Hidden/Expansion_Hint.sized.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Was released for the next expansion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I'm not mistaken, that that's the sign of Neriak.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also the text is in WOOD ELF. Saying: The Future of EverQuest II</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What do you guys think? Do you think that maybe Dark Elves may have fled to Faydwer?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They did have an ambassador in Crushbone.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wait... where did you find this? lol

[Vhalen]

<DIV>What you are gazing upon is more than a symbol. Where it was uncovered and who uncovered it could answer a lot, but not everything. </DIV>

[selch]

<DIV>History of Feir'dal may explain things more clearly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Isard]

<P>That image is from a sticker distributed at Fan Faire, I think it was in the information pack that you got at registration.</P> <P>As to the meaning, read this thread: <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Non-Gameplay&message.id=314475" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Non-Gameplay&message.id=314475</A></P> <P> </P> <P>(For those too lazy to check the link and do the work, on March 9, 2006 the trademark 'EverQuest II Echoes of Faydwer' was registered by SOE in the US Patent & Trademark office.  The trademark 'EverQuest II Kingdom of Sky' was registered on Dec 19, 2005 by SOE with the same office.  Soooooo.... put 2 + 2 together and draw your conclusion)</P>

[Ravenwind]

<P>I posted this here also:  <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17214&st=40#" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17214&st=40#</A></P> <P>The first level of decoding makes the letters read: The Future of Everquest II</P> <P>The way the 2nd level of decoding works is this:<BR><BR>Look at the notches on the letters. On the first letter there are 6 notches on the left side, the second letter has 1 notch on the left side, the third letter has 5 notches on the left side.<BR><BR>Replace the numbers with corresponding letters of the alphabet...<BR><BR>6 1 5 = FAE<BR><BR>The next part is a little trickier. The next letter has 3 notches on the left side, the next has 1 notch on the left side and 8 notches on the right side, so you get 18 the next has 5 notches on the left.<BR><BR>3 18 5 = ARE<BR><BR>Follow the rest: <BR><BR>3 15 13 9 14 23 9 14 20* 5 18 2 0 0 6<BR><BR>COMING WINTER 2006<BR><BR>*Technicaly 1 or 2 on the left can be 1 or 10 and 2 or 20 respectively...<BR><BR><BR>There ya go!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ravenwind Arrowstorm<BR>70 Ranger of DROW<BR>Unrest </P>

[Rijacki]

<div><blockquote><hr>Isard wrote:<div></div><p>Soooooo.... put 2 + 2 together and draw your conclusion</p><hr></blockquote>2 + 2 = ummmmmmm  22!</div>

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RavenwindBR wrote:<BR> <P>I posted this here also:  <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17214&st=40#" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17214&st=40#</A></P> <P>The first level of decoding makes the letters read: The Future of Everquest II</P> <P>The way the 2nd level of decoding works is this:<BR><BR>Look at the notches on the letters. On the first letter there are 6 notches on the left side, the second letter has 1 notch on the left side, the third letter has 5 notches on the left side.<BR><BR>Replace the numbers with corresponding letters of the alphabet...<BR><BR>6 1 5 = FAE<BR><BR>The next part is a little trickier. The next letter has 3 notches on the left side, the next has 1 notch on the left side and 8 notches on the right side, so you get 18 the next has 5 notches on the left.<BR><BR>3 18 5 = ARE<BR><BR>Follow the rest: <BR><BR>3 15 13 9 14 23 9 14 20* 5 18 2 0 0 6<BR><BR>COMING WINTER 2006<BR><BR>*Technicaly 1 or 2 on the left can be 1 or 10 and 2 or 20 respectively...<BR><BR><BR>There ya go!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ravenwind Arrowstorm<BR>70 Ranger of DROW<BR>Unrest </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's awesome that you figured that out. *bows* Thank you kindly.

[Isard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rijacki wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Isard wrote:<BR> <P>Soooooo.... put 2 + 2 together and draw your conclusion</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>2 + 2 = ummmmmmm  22!<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Indeed it does my friend, indeed it does.

[Jindrack]

<DIV>That symbol may be a more complete version (or re-interpretation?) of the one that is found across Norrath during the Age of Turmoil.  The one used for my icon is from Castle Mistmoore.  Other places the symbol was found or drawn was in Neriak, Permafrost, Rathe Mountains, on top of the lighthouse platform in Lake Rathe, and within the Plane of Hate.  A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[OlaeviaTraisharan]

I could have sworn I saw that on LOST two weeks ago when the black lights came on and the alarm was totally going BEEP BEEP BEEP ...<div></div>

[Sute]

<DIV>I blame the Goblins.</DIV>

[Rezikai]

<P>...</P> <P>eh... I've said before I could care less about the bunch of pansy elves that takes away from my better half,...</P> <P> </P> <P>but.. should it be Fay lets all hope........ its lying in ruin... </P> <P>w/over a dozen years of fire and blood stown across it from one dark race or another rising up and crushing most of the treehuggers,.. rasing Kelethin, sacking Akanon.. and the dwarves...eh... bury them... meh.. not wasting any time on some drunkards in a mine.. lol...</P> <P>eh ... one can only dream....</P>

[Crombie]

<P>Pretty sure there was a secret room in the Library ... of Akanon .. that belonged to the Gnomish casters of the time. A false wall opened up to a room with floating skulls and the symbol spread out across the floor.. never figured out what it was for though ..*shrugs</P> <P><IMG height=629 src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/451/074.jpg" width=800></P><p>Message Edited by Crombie on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:20 PM</span>

[Sartredes]

I'm pretty sure the symbol on the bottom right of Jindrack's icon is seen all over Erudin in Everquest.  I can't see the other's well enough to tell if I've see them before.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I found a few of them in Ak'Anon.</DIV>

[NocteBla]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> <DIV>A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The bottom left one was Oggok, and the bottom right one was in Paineel (and the Hole, to some extent).<BR>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NocteBlanc wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> <DIV>A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The bottom left one was Oggok, and the bottom right one was in Paineel (and the Hole, to some extent).<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Not just Paineel. Odus as a continent entirely. That Y shaped symbol in the lower right was symbolic to Erudites all over the world. You see it everywhere in Erudin and Paineel.<BR>

[Rijacki]

Oh geeeeze.. now I am wanting to go back into EQ1 and look for symbols.  Been soooo long since I have been there.  I remember the symbol in Rathe Mountains, though, kinda off in a  place that looked like it should have been.. umm.. something.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rijacki wrote:<BR>Oh geeeeze.. now I am wanting to go back into EQ1 and look for symbols.  Been soooo long since I have been there.  I remember the symbol in Rathe Mountains, though, kinda off in a  place that looked like it should have been.. umm.. something.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You're probably refering to the Temple Shrine devouted to Lanys T'Vyl. Her cult of followers started building it in the southwest corner of the Rathe Mountains after she had been killed off, but they never finished... at least it doesn't look finished.

[Brill]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crombie wrote:<BR> <P>Pretty sure there was a secret room in the Library ... of Akanon .. that belonged to the Gnomish casters of the time. A false wall opened up to a room with floating skulls and the symbol spread out across the floor.. never figured out what it was for though ..*shrugs<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>During the eq1 beta the gnome necro guild was in that room hidden away from the other casters.  Then they moved the necro npcs to the mines of malfunction.  I guess having all those newbie necros walking into and out of that illusionary wall clued in the other guilds about the secret.  The move to the mines of malfunction wasn't without mishaps, though.  For a while the necro npcs would cast level 50 buffs on the level 1 decaying skeletons that newbies were trying to kill.</P>

[Brill]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rijacki wrote:<BR>Oh geeeeze.. now I am wanting to go back into EQ1 and look for symbols.  Been soooo long since I have been there.  I remember the symbol in Rathe Mountains, though, kinda off in a  place that looked like it should have been.. umm.. something.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>  In the Rathe Mountains there were 2 spawn spots that had 3 named beetles at each spot.  I think there was some sort of symbol there, but I can't remember for sure.  I know that the beetles had bugged factions for a while.  (Killing them would affect some far away factions they had no connection with.)  I think after they were fixed one group was pro alliz evol tew and the other was the opposite.  I could be wrong tho.  It's been a long time.

[StaAk]

<P>That symbol on the bottom left.. that is definately the same symbol that's seen above the entrance to Crushbone, and probably on the banners inside. I looked through some screenshots on another site, and this symbol also appeared in some goblin camps in everfrost too. This probably means that this symbol is that of Rallos Zek.</P> <P>The bottom right symbol can be seen in Erudin, maybe this is Quellious or Prexus?</P> <P>The X and the Spiral I can't place... been too long since I've played EQLive.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by StaAk on <span class=date_text>04-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:31 AM</span>

[Rezikai]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StaAk wrote:<BR> <P>The X and the Spiral I can't place... been too long since I've played EQLive.</P> <P>Message Edited by StaAk on <SPAN class=date_text>04-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:00 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>hmm Vhalen did some of the devs/designers from EQoA come over to work on this?</P> <P>the reason i ask... the spiral looks alot like one of the Orc clan Banners that used to populate old Tunaria/Antonica back then.</P><p>Message Edited by Porkchop133 on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:21 PM</span>

[DreamerClou]

The Odus / Erudin symbol could also be found in Everfrost under the ice where Miragul used to roam.  (EQ 1)

[Terrak]

If the Tier'Dal have dared to set foot once more in my homeland, they will face wrath that will make them beg for the torture chambers of Innorruuk.  They and the Crushbone shall ultimately receive their justice if they have harmed as much as one tree in my long absence.<div></div>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV>Not a tree, but I peed in the bushes :smileysurprised:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote:<BR> The Odus / Erudin symbol could also be found in Everfrost under the ice where Miragul used to roam.  (EQ 1)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Was Miragul an Erudite, or is my memory honestly that bad? hehe</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>yes.</DIV>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>RavenwindBR wrote:<div></div> <p>I posted this here also:  <a href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17214&st=40#" target="_blank">http://eq2.ogaming.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17214&st=40#</a></p> <p>The first level of decoding makes the letters read: The Future of Everquest II</p> <p>The way the 2nd level of decoding works is this:Look at the notches on the letters. On the first letter there are 6 notches on the left side, the second letter has 1 notch on the left side, the third letter has 5 notches on the left side.Replace the numbers with corresponding letters of the alphabet...6 1 5 = FAEThe next part is a little trickier. The next letter has 3 notches on the left side, the next has 1 notch on the left side and 8 notches on the right side, so you get 18 the next has 5 notches on the left.3 18 5 = AREFollow the rest: 3 15 13 9 14 23 9 14 20* 5 18 2 0 0 6COMING WINTER 2006*Technicaly 1 or 2 on the left can be 1 or 10 and 2 or 20 respectively...There ya go!Ravenwind Arrowstorm70 Ranger of DROWUnrest </p><hr></blockquote>OMG WOW!That's the work of a genius.Mad props to you if you solved that yourself.    <span>:smileysurprised:</span></div>

[Lornick]

Yeah, I'm very impressed with not only the puzzle solver, but the puzzle maker.  That's really slick.

[Sartredes]

I thought I recognized that symbol in the bottom left.  On that wierd little shrine just outsided Ogguk, right?  I always wondered what the purpose of that place was.  It was too unique to not have meaning.  I just assumed that that symbol was for Rallos Zek due to it's proximity to the ogres.

[snowbrdr093]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Porkchop133 wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> StaAk wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <p>The X and the Spiral I can't place... been too long since I've played EQLive.</p> <p>Message Edited by StaAk on <span class="date_text">04-13-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:00 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>hmm Vhalen did some of the devs/designers from EQoA come over to work on this?</p> <p>the reason i ask... the spiral looks alot like one of the Orc clan Banners that used to populate old Tunaria/Antonica back then.</p><p>Message Edited by Porkchop133 on <span class="date_text">04-13-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:21 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>It's quite possible that some developers from EQOA helped do this. Glendral was from EQOA, and he was part of the development of Splitpaw, so.. maybe he's doing another adventure pack. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the same orc clans would have the same symbols in EQOA and EQLive, so maybe that's irrelevant anyway, seeing as the only continents in EQOA were Antonica and later Odus, and that would go against the more logical responses on this thread.<div></div><p>Message Edited by snowbrdr093 on <span class=date_text>04-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:22 AM</span>

[Ekuthh]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Terrak wrote:<BR>If the Tier'Dal have dared to set foot once more in my homeland, they will face wrath that will make them beg for the torture chambers of Innorruuk.  They and the Crushbone shall ultimately receive their justice if they have harmed as much as one tree in my long absence.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Pah.  The Tier'Dal shall burn your precious trees to the ground and spit upon the graves of you stinking Fier'Dal abominations.</DIV>

[Kamimura]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> Not just Paineel. Odus as a continent entirely. That Y shaped symbol in the lower right was symbolic to Erudites all over the world. You see it everywhere in Erudin and Paineel.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Female Erudites even have the symbol on their newbie outfit.<BR></P> <P>As has been said, the middle symbol is common through Neriak. It's all over doors in the foreign quarter, and on fire pots through the city. And even after the revamp, still hangs above the entrance to Neriak in Nek forest.</P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>04-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:45 AM</span>

[Kamimura]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StaAk wrote:<BR> <P>That symbol on the bottom left.. that is definately the same symbol that's seen above the entrance to Crushbone, and probably on the banners inside. <BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It definietly is the symbol above Crushbone. And you're right, it does appear on some banners within Crushbone. Other banners have an orc face on them. </P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>04-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:56 AM</span>

[Zh]

Here someone up at Ogaming had this in referance to the sticker:<img src="http://www.torianno.com/ElderAge.jpg">Though it seems to me that there are a couple extra things in the sticker. The 3 symbols inside are not on the sticker.. or they're in the little "coins" there but I can't tell with the quality I've seen of it. But also with the 3 "coins" on the inside of the cirle there is 1 more distorting it, and the empty spot for another. In the sticker version I have no doubt that it's the symbol of Dark Elves/Innoruuk. And personally the symbols outside it, though yes they may be symbols of other places, could also represent the elemental planes. Top right, clockwise looks to me as water, air (looks like a winged figure), fire, earth. Although the fire / earth could be reversed, I'm a bit rusty.Ah just found the same symbol picture for the <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/rathemtn-innoruuk.jpg" target=_blank>Rathe Mountains</a> and the <a href="http://wuphonsreach.org/blog/Games/EQ/Planes/Hate/PoH-Apr2003-InnyKill-00.jpg" target=_blank>Plane of Hate</a> itself.And here is the image that *was* used on the EQLive site for the race of dark elves:<img src="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/i/icons/Races/dark_elf.jpg"><div></div>

[Kamimura]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhek wrote:<BR>Here someone up at Ogaming had this in referance to the sticker:<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Very interesting! :smileysurprised: </P> <P>(Also, I think that symbol is still used on the EQL forums as avatar for dark elves?)</P> <P>So I guess my question is, what are all those symbols, and how are they related to be all put into a larger symbol? </P>

[Zh]

aye that's what the last picture there at the bottom is from is the image they had been using for the dark elves.<div></div>

[firemonkey5]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhek wrote:<BR><BR><IMG src="http://www.torianno.com/ElderAge.jpg"><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Those symbols look like Prexus, Brell and Tunare in the middle.</P> <P>Waves, the underground and the candles and the symbol of the 9.</P>

[Macrr]

<DIV>isard wrote,</DIV> <DIV> <P>(For those too lazy to check the link and do the work, on March 9, 2006 the trademark 'EverQuest II Echoes of Faydwer' was registered by SOE in the US Patent & Trademark office.  The trademark 'EverQuest II Kingdom of Sky' was registered on Dec 19, 2005 by SOE with the same office.  Soooooo.... put 2 + 2 together and draw your conclusion)</P> <P>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</P> <P>Feredir Na'Duath in the willow wood has said to me "I,too,long for my home in Faydark. Someday, I am sureTunare will answer us."</P></DIV>

[Graveborne]

<DIV>I recall from eq1 Lore that the center symbol, the one that looks like the mutant rabit, is the symbol of Veeshan.  I dotn remember what the center symbols where, but the outer symbols were either the elemental gods (Ro, Xegony, Rathe, Coirnav), or the dark gods, Rallos Zek, Innoruuk, Bertoxxulous, and Cazic Thule depending on where you looked for the lore.  Eq lore was often contradictory as is eq2 lore (deliberately so, every race has their own opinion of what happened)</DIV>

[Pyrrhon]

Remember the portal room in Timorous Deep? Didn't all those fire pots have different symbols on them, affiliated with each city?This is the biggest image I could find <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:wRqAM_NhOaqIwM:http://www.tawest.net/dons/everquest/images/maps/firepot.jpg"><div></div>

[Kamimura]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pyrrhonic wrote:<BR>Remember the portal room in Timorous Deep? Didn't all those fire pots have different symbols on them, affiliated with each city?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, they did. It's been a very long time since I've been there.. but I believe the fire pots were just the ones found in the various cities? Like the Kelethin one was just the same sort as the ones found by the lift and all over the city?<BR></DIV>

[StaAk]

<DIV>Bigger pictures of the firepot room are here:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><A href="http://www.necrognomicon.com/firepots.html" target=_blank>http://www.necrognomicon.com/firepots.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not surprisingly, the big V from the symbol further up the page is on the Neriak pot, and the Y symbol is on the Erudin pot.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StaAk wrote:<BR> <DIV>Bigger pictures of the firepot room are here:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><A href="http://www.necrognomicon.com/firepots.html" target=_blank>http://www.necrognomicon.com/firepots.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not surprisingly, the big V from the symbol further up the page is on the Neriak pot, and the Y symbol is on the Erudin pot.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I told you. It's thier symbol. It's synonymous with being an Erudite.

[Kindayr]

<DIV>I never got deep  into Norrathian lore, but I try heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe the next expansion has a lot to do with the Gods, a more of a telling of the story on their leave, and the concequences of such a choice?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I mean, if that sign means Veeshan, as another said, the 3 Signs mean Tunare, Brell Serilis and Prexus, maybe the outer mean other Gods? (The one sign that is found a lot in Erudin, maybe it has to deal a lot with Quellious? )</DIV>

[Zh]

<div></div><div><img src="http://www.torianno.com/ElderAge.jpg">So with the information from the pots there it seems that these symbols are the symbols of all the cities. Top right: RivervaleBottom right: ErudinBottom left: Oggok (torch of oggok)Well those are the ones I can make out anyway. Anyone get us some shots from in game on better close ups of those firepots?It seems to me that this is just a general portal and whichever city's symbol is in the center is where it is connected to.And as far as veeshan vs. dark elf symbol I'd say: <img src="http://www.necrognomicon.com/images/firepots21.jpg">is a clear sign that it's the dark elves as veeshan had nothing to do with them and thus wouldn't be on thier firepot going to neriak.</div><p>Message Edited by Zhek on <span class=date_text>04-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:05 AM</span>

[Pyrrhx]

<P>I don't think the top right is Rivervale.  IMO:</P> <P>Top Right:  It looks like a barbless variant of the symbol from the Cabilis torch.</P> <P>Thematically it seems to make more sense that the symbols stand for races rather than cities, implying that Faydwer is now being occupied by an alliance of sorts.  </P> <P>We can tie this to:</P> <UL> <LI>Dark Elf symbol in center is most prominent:  they led the invasion.</LI> <UL> <LI>Those 3 inner symbols may have related route and strategy:  Invade from the underfoot (brell's symbol), From accross the sea (Prexus' symbol), ... not sure what the 9 dots could be.. yet..</LI></UL> <LI>Outlying symbols indicative of other races that may have at one point been allied with the Tier'dal</LI> <UL> <LI>the <STRONG>X</STRONG>-  (on a limb here) I'm going to tie this to the trolls, as 1) when tied to home, the trolls were homeless being that their X-home was now overrun by frogloks</LI> <LI>the <STRONG>Spiral</STRONG>- This symbol is commonly associated with chaos, and appears to be a deeper barbless version of the Iksar symbol. </LI> <LI>the "<STRONG>Oggok</STRONG>"- The Ogre's.</LI> <LI>the "<STRONG>Erudite</STRONG>"- The erudites.  The heretics in particular.</LI></UL> <LI>IMO then:  This seal is a pact for the allied forces that invaded Faydwer.  </LI> <UL> <LI>The message was written in Woodelf probably because there might be continued woodelf resistance... and that the woodelves are expecting assistance this winter.</LI></UL></UL> <P>**as to the presence of this symbol in EQ (Rathe, lake rathe, permafrost, Neriak, plane of hate...) I'd say 1) It was a plan a long time in the making, or 2) It's could have been used as a portal for the forces of hate.</P>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Terrak wrote:<BR>If the Tier'Dal have dared to set foot once more in my homeland, they will face wrath that will make them beg for the torture chambers of Innorruuk.  They and the Crushbone shall ultimately receive their justice if they have harmed as much as one tree in my long absence.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You do realize that the goal for the followers of Innoruuk was to be destroyed by him, no?

[Zh]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pyrrhx wrote:<div></div><p>**as to the presence of this symbol in EQ (Rathe, lake rathe, permafrost, Neriak, plane of hate...) I'd say 1) It was a plan a long time in the making, or 2) It's could have been used as a portal for the forces of hate.</p><hr></blockquote>As I said, it's a portal, the symbol in the center is where it links to, the spiral isn't cabilis..<img src="http://www.necrognomicon.com/images/firepots05.jpg">is the cabilis symbol, even barbless it wouldn't a spiral. Also the portal images were likely in existence before kunark came out.At the least it IS a portal and it IS linked to Neriak/Dark Elves. Regardless what the symbols are. This portal existed probably since EQ came out, it would not be created as a link to the events that happened between EQ and EQ2.</div>

[Xdatinelia]

<DIV>There was MUCH speculation that that *symbol* was part of something called Miragul's Highway and/or some sort of transportation system from beta (Not firepots),  The locations where it was found always represented places that evil people could go, Necro guilds, places with specs, ect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Off the top of my head you allhave not mentioned the one in Oasis of Marr at the spec tower and the one in The Hole (Ruins of Old Paineel)</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Link to some eq1 debates on the symbol</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><A href="http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=693&view=by_date_ascending&page=2" target=_blank>http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Lore&message.id=693&view=by_date_ascending&page=2</A></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Xdatinelia on <span class=date_text>04-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:05 PM</span>

[Xdatinelia]

<P align=left><STRONG>From the thread linked: </STRONG></P> <P align=left><STRONG>The Symbol of Caerthial</STRONG> - As documented by The First Fist of Light, from original Beta Lore</P> <P align=left>The symbol directly in the center is Veeshan; the head of a serpent with the wings of a dragon.  The symbol directly left is of Tunare, nine dots that emulate the standing stones seen throughout Norrath.  The symbol in the center above that of Veeshan is the symbol of Brell, denoted by the cnadelabra which is often depicted worn by Brell.  The symbol directly to the right of Veeshan is that of Prexus, three lines to denote the wave of the Oceanlord.</P> <P align=left>Surrounding the four symbols is a great circle which depicts the veil erected by the three in their pact to keep the Wurmqueen in check.</P> <P align=left>The four on the outside from left to right are as follows: Lower left hand corner is Rallos Zek, upper left is Innoruuk, upper right is Cazic Thule, and the lower right is Bertoxxulous... the four horsemen to bring about the end.</P> <P align=left>------------------</P> <P align=left>We must remember tho that the orginal symbol never did anything concrete, and seemed to be used to represent old world *evil*.  The orginal symbol may have been intended to do or represent somehtig, but I think with time, the meaning of it was completely lost.</P> <P align=left>Places it was added after inital release of the game: Rathe Monutains (When the Bertox Plague hit Karanas) and The Hole (was a free zone added after release, before Kunark) for sure.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> <HR> The Symbol of Caerthial - As documented by <FONT color=#66ff00>The First Fist of Light</FONT>, from original Beta Lore <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P>I stopped reading it right there.</P>

[Tamat]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zhek wrote:<div></div><div><img src="http://www.torianno.com/ElderAge.jpg">So with the information from the pots there it seems that these symbols are the symbols of all the cities. Top right: RivervaleBottom right: ErudinBottom left: Oggok (torch of oggok)Well those are the ones I can make out anyway. Anyone get us some shots from in game on better close ups of those firepots?It seems to me that this is just a general portal and whichever city's symbol is in the center is where it is connected to.And as far as veeshan vs. dark elf symbol I'd say: <img src="http://www.necrognomicon.com/images/firepots21.jpg">is a clear sign that it's the dark elves as veeshan had nothing to do with them and thus wouldn't be on thier firepot going to neriak.</div><p>Message Edited by Zhek on <span class="date_text">04-16-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:05 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I really don't think this is Veeshans symbol. The two places I remember seeing this in EQ1 was Neriak and Plane of Hate. I also think I saw this symbol in The Overthere (Evil town in Kunark). I think the hint image released to us goes deeper then we know. Keep digging!!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[lillin]

<P>This symbol was also on the spectre tower in Oasis.</P> <P>All I know of this symbol is it seems to follow dark elfs around.  Where ever they have set up at some time the symbol is there it seems.</P>

[Kindayr]

<DIV>Aye, I think the bottom right is Rallos Zek's sign also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a little farfetched, but maybe the big part of the thing is Rallos, and the 3 parts sticking out are Rage, Tactics and Strategy?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Going on a limb there, but meh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kindayr wrote:<BR> <DIV>Aye, I think the bottom right is Rallos Zek's sign also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a little farfetched, but maybe the big part of the thing is Rallos, and the 3 parts sticking out are Rage, Tactics and Strategy?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Going on a limb there, but meh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Can't be. It's a symbol that the entire erudite race uses in both Paineel and Erudin. They don't worship Rallos Zek. They can't.

[Kindayr]

<DIV>Gah, I meant the bottem left. >.<</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/duncecap</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Plausible.</DIV>

[Zh]

<div><blockquote><hr>Kindayr wrote:<div>Aye, I think the bottom right is Rallos Zek's sign also.</div> <div> </div> <div>This is a little farfetched, but maybe the big part of the thing is Rallos, and the 3 parts sticking out are Rage, Tactics and Strategy?</div> <div> </div> <div>Going on a limb there, but meh.</div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote>Could be, I was thinking Torch of Ogguk (I can't spell right now, sinus headache) but could also be Rallos /shrug</div>

[lillin]

that symbol in the bottom right kinda reminds me of the bird/eagle/hawk symbol that the fier dal had all over thier town.

[Zh]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>lillin wrote:<div></div>that symbol in the bottom right kinda reminds me of the bird/eagle/hawk symbol that the fier dal had all over thier town.<hr></blockquote>The firepot in EQ1 that teleports to Erudin:<img src="http://www.necrognomicon.com/images/firepots07.jpg">the bird seen here would be the hawk symbol:</div><p><img src="http://www.necrognomicon.com/images/firepots19.jpg"></p><p></p><p>and also upon a new revelation, the "firepot" linked to grobb is:</p><p><img src="http://www.necrognomicon.com/images/firepots13.jpg"></p>Viewed from above this would be an X or + which could be the symbol in the top left corner.<p>Message Edited by Zhek on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:09 AM</span>

[syous01]

<DIV>LOL at Grobb's firepot. </DIV>

[THteampink]

From what I remember, the bottom right symbol is Cazic Thule.  The helm symbol is Rallos Zek, the swirly one is Innoruk, and I am guessing the last one is Bertoxxulous.  This is just speculation, but I could have sworn those were the symbols they used in EQ1. <div></div>

[Kindayr]

<DIV>Actually, I wouldn't doubt of the Cross is Cazic-Thule.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we look at the old sign, if the middle sign is truely Veeshan's sign, then the 3 signs surrounding are Brell, Tunare, and Prexus. Didn't they make a pact against Veeshan, just so she wouldn't hog Norrath to herself?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is another "conspiricy", but if you look at the end of the God's Meeting Lore, Rallos was planning something, a little off of what they agreed upon. Maybe Rallos Zek, Cazic-Thule, Bertox, and Innoruuk defeated the original pact, and now are attacking Veeshan? It goes along with the KoS lore, maybe the next expansion is about the other side of this "War", or Defiement.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just a theory, nothing hardcore.</DIV>

[Kam]

May the gods of ancient dark elfs return to us in peace... haha ya right <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ganix]

<P>I highly doubt the "rabbit" symbol in the center is vesheen, THe symbol, is the pride of the Teir`Dal, Even Innoruuk bares the symbol of his creation, I am pretty sure it is the crest of the Teir`Dal Queen, what's her face. This symbol, is also in the Tower of Frozen shadow off of Velios, for those of you who don't remeber that was the HUGE tower with the nice gnolls (nicest gnolls i have ever met) outside, and the several floors that all required a key, there was a library and what not, well on one of the floors, (I think it was the one with the bedroom, and the pool of blood) there were crates scatered throughout this level, all with the crest of the dark elven Queen (the rabbit thingy), and the Bosslady of the whole place, was some kind of vampire Darkelf</P> <P><IMG src="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/frozenshadow-ramp.jpg"></P> <P>You can see the top of the crest on the door to the The room with the teleporter to the final level of the tower, with the evil boss lady</P> <P><A href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=20917" target=_blank>http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=20917</A>  Isn't she UGLY?</P> <P><A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=116" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=116</A> This is a link to the Temple of vessheen, take a look at the screen shots on the page, and pay close atention to the banners, firepits, and doors, and you will clearly see Vesheen has nothing to do with the "rabbit" symbol</P> <P>I know I can find more, and will post them if i do, pretty sure There were several "rabbit" symbols in najina (or however you speel it)</P> <P>but the Queen is the only trend I see following these symbols.</P><p>Message Edited by ganix on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:54 PM</span>

[RoninSenshi]

<DIV>It could be possible that the War of the Fay didn't end..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Could the Tier'dal still be fighting against the Elven forces in the Faydark, with their allies of the Gnomes and Dwarves?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or better yet... could the Tier'dal have actually won the war outright? Sure, the story goes that the forces of evil was defeated in the War, but Tier'dal are crafty. When they realized that the Queen wasn't going to reinforce them, (Instead going to take the Underfoot) could they have just ran, departed, lived to fight another day..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They could of retreated to Mistmorre Castle, perhaps? Mayong isn't there anymore. And Remember, their are various Tier'dal outposts in the Lesser Faydark. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They go to Mistmorre Castle, lick their wounds (And eachother probably - they are darkelves after all), got back on the horse and finished off the elves in the Faydark.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Shadows of Faydwer" seems to imply that Faydwer has hit some kind of tragedy. Its not Happy Go Lucky Faydwer, or Super Sunshine over Faydwer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Something bad happened over there. That symbol seems to imply that the forces of Darkness, namely the Tier'dal (Who use this symbol all the time, its pretty much plastered all over Neriak more then anywhere else, its also found in places where the Undead are - Like the Specture Island in Oasis and it was also used by Primodial Malice when they were trying to revive Lanys T'Vyl) are involved.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7652/waroffay8lz.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Notice she said they fled. Some to the Looping Plains, some to Castle Mistmorre. If you think they just sat there and twidled their thumbs, you'd be wrong. Evil wouldn't do that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Makes me wish I was still playing Shintou.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and Tserrina is not ugly <A href="http://www.dragonsnail.com/artwork/tserrina.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.dragonsnail.com/artwork/tserrina.jpg</A> (Art by Dragonsnail, http://www.dragonsnail.com)</DIV> <P>Message Edited by ShintouShinai on <SPAN class=date_text>04-19-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:40 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by ShintouShinai on <span class=date_text>04-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:54 AM</span>

[Pyrrhon]

<div><blockquote><hr>ShintouShinai wrote:<div></div> <div></div>  <div>Notice she said they fled. Some to the Looping Plains, some to Castle Mistmorre. If you think they just sat there and twidled their thumbs, you'd be wrong. Evil wouldn't do that.</div> <div> </div> <div>Makes me wish I was still playing Shintou.</div> <div> </div> <div>Oh, and Tserrina is not ugly <a href="http://www.dragonsnail.com/artwork/tserrina.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.dragonsnail.com/artwork/tserrina.jpg</a> (Art by Dragonsnail, http://www.dragonsnail.com)</div><hr></blockquote>When she says "the moors of Mistmoore" that sounds more to me like Mistmoore is a geographic location rather than simply a castle. And, word to the wise, just because someone has enormous breasts doesn't mean they're not ugly <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Decerto]

<DIV>I couldnt be bothered to read all the posts so i hope im not reapeting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE have already brought the trade mark rights on the name Everquest II: Echos of Faydwer and the writing in the picture so say has 2 messages. 1 being 'The future of Everquest 2' and the other was said to say 'Fay are coming winter 2006' how true that second one is..... i dunno but you all prolly already know this =P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Underlying and unseen goal in life seems to be an immortal fight for supremacy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>'Chronox, 60 Conjuror of The Blackhand'</DIV>

[Kindayr]

<DIV>It does say the future of EverQuest II.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That can mean something new, through EQLive, all the God's made a pact, and rarely fought one another, since the first war that is. So the future could also mean this pact is broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, during the ages of EverQuest II, there have been no direct God contact, meaning if the Gods were to play a greater role in the next expansion, it'd be something different, a change, something new. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm stilling standing behind my idea of that the evil assigned God's planned something on a different agenda, and overthrew the past good. I say the next expansion will go into deeper detail on Veeshan and her dragons, Kerafyrm included, versus the other Gods, or a simple hand-full of Gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is still a theory, and can easily be proven wrong.</DIV>

[ganix]

I highly doubt Vesheen will play any part in this next expansion, She was a neutral god, that seemed to me like she didn't care about what went on on Norath, also there have been no clues at all to point to her, they all point, to oviously Faydwar which, we have already established, and either the, Teir`Dal, the gods in general (specificaly the evil ones), or a link to all of the citys.

[KniteShayd]

<P>Could have been used as a banner during the war of the fey from the Evil side to show that norrath's destructiuon was to be brought about from the god's absence...</P> <P>Could be a clue as to why the dragons are becoming more abundant with the release of KoS and show that now, with the god's absence, Veshaan's destruction may once more go unchecked...</P> <P>Could be a clue to show that the god's have not yet left norrath.  Thier presence still here, and will be shown to us if even ever so subtley...</P> <P> </P> <P>Just some thoughts that i haven't seen covered on this thread yet.:smileytongue:</P>

[Kindayr]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> <DIV>That symbol may be a more complete version (or re-interpretation?) of the one that is found across Norrath during the Age of Turmoil.  The one used for my icon is from Castle Mistmoore.  Other places the symbol was found or drawn was in Neriak, Permafrost, Rathe Mountains, on top of the lighthouse platform in Lake Rathe, and within the Plane of Hate.  A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I just read, and re-read, and re-read the post I have quote, and finally began to realize that most of those zones, if not all, have one thing in common, God activity, and a certain allignment of Gods that have been active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lake Rathetear + Rathe Mountains</DIV> <UL> <LI>These Zones would not exist if it had not been for <EM>Rallos Zek</EM>, and his attacks upon the Gods of Earth.</LI></UL> <P>Neriak + Plane of Hate</P> <UL> <LI>Of course, and obviously, <EM>Innoruuk</EM>. The Tier'Dal love him, and of course that is his Plane.</LI></UL> <P>Ak'Anon</P> <UL> <LI>If I do recall, the Gnome Necromancer's were only focused to the diety of <EM>Bertoxxulus</EM>(sp?).</LI></UL> <P>Oasis of Marr</P> <UL> <LI>The Obelisk in the center has Spectre's surrounding it, and if I do recall, spectre's are minions of <EM>Cazic-Thule</EM>.</LI></UL> <P>Permafrost</P> <UL> <LI>This one is a little iffy for me, but I'll go with it >.<, Lady Vox was banished here by the Claws of Veeshan, if I am remember correctly. Therefore, it is obviously that this zone has <U>in</U>directly been affected by <EM>Veeshan</EM>. </LI></UL> <P> </P> <P>If Ak'Anon and Oasis of Marr are correct, than this fits the the picture that was given at Fan Faire (If the 4 surrounding signs are what I believe them to be). </P> <P> </P> <P>Discuss? Prove me wrong if you can, I'd like to get everything set straight.</P>

[ganix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kindayr wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> <DIV>That symbol may be a more complete version (or re-interpretation?) of the one that is found across Norrath during the Age of Turmoil.  The one used for my icon is from Castle Mistmoore.  Other places the symbol was found or drawn was in Neriak, Permafrost, Rathe Mountains, on top of the lighthouse platform in Lake Rathe, and within the Plane of Hate.  A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I just read, and re-read, and re-read the post I have quote, and finally began to realize that most of those zones, if not all, have one thing in common, God activity, and a certain allignment of Gods that have been active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lake Rathetear + Rathe Mountains</DIV> <UL> <LI>These Zones would not exist if it had not been for <EM>Rallos Zek</EM>, and his attacks upon the Gods of Earth.</LI></UL> <P>Neriak + Plane of Hate</P> <UL> <LI>Of course, and obviously, <EM>Innoruuk</EM>. The Tier'Dal love him, and of course that is his Plane.</LI></UL> <P>Ak'Anon</P> <UL> <LI>If I do recall, the Gnome Necromancer's were only focused to the diety of <EM>Bertoxxulus</EM>(sp?).</LI></UL> <P>Oasis of Marr</P> <UL> <LI>The Obelisk in the center has Spectre's surrounding it, and if I do recall, spectre's are minions of <EM>Cazic-Thule</EM>.</LI></UL> <P>Permafrost</P> <UL> <LI>This one is a little iffy for me, but I'll go with it >.<, Lady Vox was banished here by the Claws of Veeshan, if I am remember correctly. Therefore, it is obviously that this zone has <U>in</U>directly been affected by <EM>Veeshan</EM>. </LI></UL> <P> </P> <P>If Ak'Anon and Oasis of Marr are correct, than this fits the the picture that was given at Fan Faire (If the 4 surrounding signs are what I believe them to be). </P> <P> </P> <P>Discuss? Prove me wrong if you can, I'd like to get everything set straight.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Again, Vesheen was not an Evil aligned god, she was infact Neutral, but you are still correct about Permafrost, and it still has the same thing in comon with the other zones, and it was infact god activity, but instead of Vesheen, and lady Vox, what alse had somthing to do with Permafrost, er what else was in Permafrost? give ya a hint, they were probaly bigger then Lady Vox, or close to it, and some of them guarded the entrance. Who created them? Was their creator good, evil, or neutral? What other races did he create that might have had this sighn somewhere within their teritory?

[Kindayr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ganix wrote:<BR> <BR>Again, Vesheen was not an Evil aligned god, she was infact Neutral, but you are still correct about Permafrost, and it still has the same thing in comon with the other zones, and it was infact god activity, but instead of Vesheen, and lady Vox, what alse had somthing to do with Permafrost, er what else was in Permafrost? give ya a hint, they were probaly bigger then Lady Vox, or close to it, and some of them guarded the entrance. Who created them? Was their creator good, evil, or neutral? What other races did he create that might have had this sighn somewhere within their teritory?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I realize that Veeshan wasn't Evil, and infact was Neutral. But look at that sign, if the middle ensigma is really Veeshan, then maybe she made a pact with the evil alligned Gods or something? I mean, if infact the middle ensigmas are from the 3 Gods that made a pact against Veeshan, and to peeve her off by inhabiting "her" planet, but then Veeshan secretly made a pact with the others to rid of Tunare, Brell and Prexus? </P> <P> </P> <P>I dunno.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kindayr wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jindrack wrote:<BR> <DIV>That symbol may be a more complete version (or re-interpretation?) of the one that is found across Norrath during the Age of Turmoil.  The one used for my icon is from Castle Mistmoore.  Other places the symbol was found or drawn was in Neriak, Permafrost, Rathe Mountains, on top of the lighthouse platform in Lake Rathe, and within the Plane of Hate.  A number of the smaller symbols that make up the greater symbol could be found alone throughout Norrath.  Does anyone remember where some of them were? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I just read, and re-read, and re-read the post I have quote, and finally began to realize that most of those zones, if not all, have one thing in common, God activity, and a certain allignment of Gods that have been active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lake Rathetear + Rathe Mountains</DIV> <UL> <LI>These Zones would not exist if it had not been for <EM>Rallos Zek</EM>, and his attacks upon the Gods of Earth.</LI></UL> <P>Neriak + Plane of Hate</P> <UL> <LI>Of course, and obviously, <EM>Innoruuk</EM>. The Tier'Dal love him, and of course that is his Plane.</LI></UL> <P>Ak'Anon</P> <UL> <LI>If I do recall, the Gnome Necromancer's were only focused to the diety of <EM>Bertoxxulus</EM>(sp?).</LI></UL> <P>Oasis of Marr</P> <UL> <LI>The Obelisk in the center has Spectre's surrounding it, and if I do recall, spectre's are minions of <EM>Cazic-Thule</EM>.</LI></UL> <P>Permafrost</P> <UL> <LI>This one is a little iffy for me, but I'll go with it >.<, Lady Vox was banished here by the Claws of Veeshan, if I am remember correctly. Therefore, it is obviously that this zone has <U>in</U>directly been affected by <EM>Veeshan</EM>. </LI></UL> <P> </P> <P>If Ak'Anon and Oasis of Marr are correct, than this fits the the picture that was given at Fan Faire (If the 4 surrounding signs are what I believe them to be). </P> <P> </P> <P>Discuss? Prove me wrong if you can, I'd like to get everything set straight.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Good observation. This is what I think of that though. I don't associate spectres as being complete creations of Cazic Thule but does make sense. Just because gnome necromancers worship Bertoxxulous, that doesn't quite explain why the symbol appeared elsewhere across the entire racial town, of whome worshipped neutral or good gods.

[Zh]

The middle sign is of the dark elves, we already have pictures posted of it on the firepot linked to Neriak, veeshan would have nothing to do with neriak. Great obvservations in relation to the theory. We also have a picture of the Erudin firepot and it is the symbol that's in the bottom right hand. That can't just be overlooked.<div></div>

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<P>i was laying in bed trying to sleep last night and somehow my mind wandered on to this topic.  I had read this thread earlier in the day and it was interesting.  after several minutes of trying to determine why sony would use that symbol in the first place.  then it hit me.  have any of you seen these symbols at all in eq2?  i havent had a chance to check fallen gate to see if the symbols are still there at the first gate but i will try to check that tonight.  what other places were these symbols that we can get to in eq2?  is the use of this symbol in the expansion deliberate?  could it have something to do with the gods, if indeed thats what is represented by the symbol(s).  it seems the symbols within the whole represent the races in which the god is tied to.  or does it represent old cultures in faydwer that have continued to believe the gods are still with us.  more questions than answers i know but the fact i have cant recall seeing any of these old symbols anywhere might be connected to the use of the symbol with the new expansion.  any suggestions?</P> <P> </P> <P>Edit: I just went back and looked at a few other symbols that are similar but have not found one exactly the same.  there are 3 circle surounding the center symbol (which i beleve to be the sign of innoruuk.  you cant tell what these symbols are they are decayed to badly.  thats when i noticed the 2 additional cirlces below the center circle and bottom left.  now the large center circle has an indention on the bottom left, where one of the small circles has been placed, meaning to me that these are intentional additions to the symbol as a whole.  i will assume the same thing for the small circlce directly below the center as well.  my initial thought was. since this deals with faydwer, that this might be part of a stone wall from castle mistmoore since it did appear there.  but with the addition of the 2 circles, i suspect that this theory is wrong.  this is either something weve never seen before ever or was crafted more recently than i think it was and 2 circles were added to denote something of interest.</P><p>Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on <span class=date_text>04-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:45 PM</span>

[Kindayr]

<DIV>This is odd, I can not post a very important thing!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It keeps saying "Invalid HTML has been removed" <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Kindayr on <span class=date_text>04-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:42 PM</span>

[Kindayr]

<DIV>Alright, I'll attempt posting this again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First off, the sign itself is both Tier'Dal made, and Veeshan's symbol. The symbol was made by the Tier'dal race, but the centre ensignia IS Veeshan.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/mysteriesandenigmas/origins/origins.htm" target=_blank>http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/mysteriesandenigmas/origins/origins.htm</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next, Some History of Oasis of Marr states that Cazic-Thule and Innoruuk followers may have inhabited Oasis of Marr's Tower. Maybe in a move to peeve off Mithaniel?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/creaturesandplaces/oasisofmarr/oasisofmarr.htm" target=_blank>http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/creaturesandplaces/oasisofmarr/oasisofmarr.htm</A> (Last Paragraph)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/mythslegendsheros/inoruukswrath/innoruukswrath.htm" target=_blank>http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/mythslegendsheros/inoruukswrath/innoruukswrath.htm</A> (Pretty Much all of it)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So maybe Oasis of Marr was not only inflicted with the wrath of 1 Evil God, but 2.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text><A href="http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/mythslegendsheros/mistmooreandsyltor/mistmooreandsyltor.htm" target=_blank>http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/mythslegendsheros/mistmooreandsyltor/mistmooreandsyltor.htm</A></SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Also talks about Mistmoore. Maybe his hatred towards the Dragon Kind, and Lizard Kind has something to do with the symbol appearing within his estate?</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Kindayr on <span class=date_text>04-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:53 PM</span>

[RoninSenshi]

<DIV>That site you linked uses the Codex of War as a source of information.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/sources.htm" target=_blank>http://my.core.com/~mickiep/lore/sources.htm</A></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Codex of War is not to be trusted as an official lore sight. Even Moorgard himself once stated that.</DIV>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>From EQoA (take it for what it's worth)</P> <P> </P> <P>The Rosethorn Spire.</P> <P>It had been long argued among the sentient races of Norrath that the Elves, the children of Tunare, were the first of the races to wield the art of wizardry. So stated Aros`Thalinor, an ancient bit of evidence supporting that theory.</P> <P>It was difficult to find any buildings of mortal make older than the Rosethorn Spire (or Aros`Thalinor in the Elven tongue). None knew its exact age; in fact, no one was even certain if it was constructed by the Elves. There were Elven influences to be found in the architecture; but whether this was inherently Elven, or a foreign influence that the elves eventually copied, was unknown. The spire was ancient indeed, but the elves had expanded upon it. They used their powerful magic to guide the black stone into useful shapes. A balcony was formed in recent years. Below the spire the Elves also shaped the surrounding stone, creating the many vaults that hold much of the artifacts and knowledge of the Koada`Dal wizards. During these recent excavations, the elves found a strange room carved from the same black stone, but of vastly different architecture. The style of the wall carvings was completely foreign to the exploring elves and had stumped all scholars. In addition to the room, a sarcophagus and an arch were found. Both were carved from a stone not found anywhere on Antonica. The mystery of the tomb held the attention of many elven scholars and historians for nearly a century. </P> <P>During this century, the destruction of the Elddar forest fell upon the Elven nation. Attention veered from the tomb’s mystery to more important endeavors, such as saving the life of the dying forest and fighting off the sudden incursions of a new race of blackened Elves from the Underfoot.</P> <P>Aros`Thalinor fell into peril. The advance of the embittered Teir`Dal proved to be too strong for the elves, especially after suffering under the jealous hands of Solusek Ro. The Spire was in grave danger. It held all of the accumulated knowledge of Elven wizardry that tutored all talented Elves choosing to walk the path of the wizard. But, wizardry was no paltry pursuit. The masters of the Spire brought the awesome power of the weave itself to bear against whatever horde that the dark elves hurled at them. Subconsciously, the master wizards knew that, if they so had desired, Aros`Thalinor could be moved. The whole of the island could be torn from the land and sent floating among the clouds, sailing to far off Faydwer where their cousins settled after fleeing the dying forest so many years ago. They decided to await the march of these spiteful elves and defend the Spire.</P> <P>Only the arrogance of the elves doomed Rosethorn and the wizards that held it. The foul art of necromancy was known to the elves but none dared delve into it; the costs were too high. And the Teir`Dal knew these costs as well. They also knew of necromancy’s destructive power. The dark elves decided that acquiring the power was worth the cost. Through the necromantic arts, a legion of dead warriors was raised to assault Aros`Thalinor. The legion of undead joined with living warriors from Neriak. They fell upon the Spire, and were slaughtered as the Elven wizards’ wards held them off. From atop the Spire, the wizards rained down the greatest firestorm that the world had ever seen. Thunderheads of roaring flame swept across field of battle, incinerating all life (and unlife). Lightning poured from the clouds and streaked across the skies, ensnaring the dark Elven army in a web of crackling blue energy. An entire legion of undead and living became heaps on the ground, or floating bodies in the Lifire river threatening to choke and flood the area. The Elven wizards, high atop their Spire, looked down upon the carnage and were satisfied with their work. They believed that the surviving Teir`Dal generals and their inferior necromancers would eventually flee after realizing what had happened. But the wizards were wrong. The necromancers did not fled. In a few moments after the battle, they began to laugh. </P> <P>"They are insane with rage from their defeat" thought the wizards of the Spire. When the laughing ceased, the master necromancer declared his victory over Aros`Thalinor. His deep booming voice carried magically to the ears atop the Spire.</P> <P>"Fools!" cried the wizards. But the necromancer had the last laugh. He told the wizards that they were doomed.</P> <P>The art of necromancy was power over life and death. A life could be snuffed out as easily as a body could be raised to unlife. Poisoning was used extensively in necromancy, souring the flesh and draining life from it. Anything could be poisoned: water, air, sand, and even mana, the substance of magic, itself. The Elven faces blanched as they fully realized the incredible power of the Teir`Dal, to taint mana itself, the aether, the weave that all magic drew life from. The necromancers announced they would leave and then return to claim the Spire after the fool wizards died off. The elven wizards fell to their knees in disbelief and lamented their folly.</P> <P>Despite the Spire’s tragic downfall, it was still an awe-inspiring sight that continued to exist as a center for learning and development; even though the wild rosebushes that once surrounded it were now dry and withered. Many wizards still traveled from afar to learn from the potent keepers of the Spire. Even Teir`Dal wizards were welcomed, though necromancers and the art of necromancy were reviled. All but four of the wizards of the Spire were dead in their tombs. The remaining wizards were dying and would soon join their fallen brothers even though they labored to undo the poisoning. Only the necromancers prevented the wizards from venturing into the vaults to research the poison still coursing through their veins. Instead the wizards relied on adventurous wizards from other lands to claim the books and artifacts from the vaults. The wizards of Aros`Thalinor had been known to give advanced lessons to those who had the talent and to those who helped in their struggles. If a wizard wished to gain a deeper understanding of the endless mana sea, it was Aros`Thalinor that he or she traveled to. Newcomers would be tested to the limits of their ability; but their greatest challenge was to overcome the overwhelming sadness and anger that permeates the Spire of Rosethorn. </P> <P><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>It sounds like this alludes to a location on an island in the Elddar forest (now the Deserts of Ro).  A tower on an island sounds similar to the Spectre Tower in Oasis.  Is there any EQ Live lore concerning the Spectre Tower that could refute or validate this as possibly  Aros`Thalinor , the so-called Rosethorn Tower?</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <span class=date_text>04-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:54 PM</span>

[Azarphan]

The lower left symbol can be found on the foreheads of some erudites as part of one of the glyphs...  I will post a screen cap and what the name of the glyph is when I get home.

[troodon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zhek wrote:<BR> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.torianno.com/ElderAge.jpg"></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was messing around on my necro in EQ1 today and saw one of these with the Bloodsaber Necros beneath Qeynos.  There were also spirals on the walls leading up to the Bloodsaber hall, though I'm not sure if they're supposed to be the same spiral.</P>

[Decerto]

<P>Not sure if this has anthing to do with it but before i left EQ there was a war in faydark between dark elfs and most other races. cant remember all the details but thought id submit it just incase =)</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>The Underlying and unseen goal in life seems to be an immortal fight for supremacy</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>'Chronox, 60 Conjuror of The Blackhand'</P>

[Kindayr]

<P>Well If you look at the middle ensigmas, if they truely are Brell Serilis, Tunare and Prexus, each one of those have their first creations on Faydwer.</P> <P> </P> <P>Brell Serilis - Dwarves</P> <P>Tunare - High Elves</P> <P>Prexus - Kedge (If Phini is still alive)</P> <P> </P> <P>Maybe the evil Gods are planning against those 3 major races? Maybe a poke at their creators? Maybe they are trying to start more battles between the races of Norrath?</P> <P> </P> <P>I dunno :-S lol, I want to keep the thread alive >.<</P>

[Sartredes]

I'm not sure the High elves were created on Faydwer.  My understanding is that they existed in Tunaria (Now the desert of Ro), and then left to seek new homelands after the scorching of their original homeland by Ro.

[Kindayr]

<DIV>I know that <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, but what I mean is that they are the 3 main creations (High Elves are direct descendants of Elddar if I'm not mistaken)</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sartredes wrote:<BR> I'm not sure the High elves were created on Faydwer.  My understanding is that they existed in Tunaria (Now the desert of Ro), and then left to seek new homelands after the scorching of their original homeland by Ro.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thier original homeland of the Elddar Forest, but yes, they were created and originally lived on Tunaria before one of the Antonius Bayle's of Qeynos decided to rename it to Antonica due to Human's presence in two cities and thier increasing importance in trading between other cultures and continents.

[Tarkin-Wretch]

<P>Mary, good info. the spectre tower in old oasis was, to my understanding, the highest tower of Takish.  its my understanding, and this could be wrong, but if you acknowledge the pen and paper lore, this might be the very spot where Inny opened his portal and escorted the king and queen of the elves into his plane of hate.  now if i remember correctly though, the spectre tower was surrounded by water yes?  and it also had goblins at the bottom of this lake and even under the rock formation on which the tower stood partially exposed.  i dont recall any other parts of the tower being exposed under the water and the reason for the spectres being there doesnt really go with any lore ive read on the subject of this being where inny opened his portal but lore does state the portal can still be seen there.  again i remember there being something of interest on top of that tower but its been ages so i couldnt tell you if it was something resembling a portal or not.  that doesnt have anything to do with dark elves on faydwer sorry.  im still waiting on a response from my other post though and calrification of this if anyone knows.</P> <P>Kindayr, i could not access those links but im at work and it might be blocked for me.  at any rate you stated that follower of cazic and inny inhabited the tower in oasis.  the champion of the tier'dal Xanit leds forces against Takish and sacked it.  this may be what you are referring to since the forces were comprised of dark elves, ogres and trolls.  this would further establish that possibly this tower was in fact part of Takish.</P><p>Message Edited by Tarkin-Wretched on <span class=date_text>04-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:30 PM</span>