Maj'dul planetarium question

[Atrix Wolfe]

<div>In the tower of the moon, there is a moving model with the planets and moons orbiting.  One of the planets looks like it's sheilded with about three quarters of it covered by a metal looking case, what is this strange planet?  The way it looks on the model it would only be partially visible from Norrath and only at certain times. </div>

[Dreadfie]

Just a guess since I haven't seen the model, but it might represent Luclin pre-shattering. The shattering supposedly only happened 15 years prior to EQ2 going live so the model might be antique.The reason I say that is because the moon Luclin was cloaked by the "Veil of Luclin" that kept it from being seen from Norrath. In the old Plane of Sky, you could see Luclin. Right before it exploded, the veil dissapeared allowing people to see Luclin.Luclin had a ring system around it however. Does the planet in the model have a representation of rings?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:Just a guess since I haven't seen the model, but it might represent Luclin pre-shattering. The shattering supposedly only happened 15 years prior to EQ2 going live so the model might be antique.The reason I say that is because the moon Luclin was cloaked by the "Veil of Luclin" that kept it from being seen from Norrath. In the old Plane of Sky, you could see Luclin. Right before it exploded, the veil dissapeared allowing people to see Luclin.Luclin had a ring system around it however. Does the planet in the model have a representation of rings?<div></div><hr></blockquote>It's a good theory, but it's a bit too large to be the moon though.

[Atrix Wolfe]

<div></div>I'll have to check again, but I believe there is already a shattered luclin model in orbit, and much closer to what would be norrath.

[SpryYoungE]

<div></div><p>Here are some screenies of the model:</p><p><img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/884/213.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/874/189.jpg"></p><p>The representation of Luclin is clearly visible in both the first and second shots, in the top left corner. It is orbiting Norrath with Drinal.</p><p>I'm not sure what the other three objects orbiting Ro are (obviously they are planets or somesuch, but I don't know what they are called).</p>

[Atrix Wolfe]

<div></div>Awesome, thanks for the screenshots.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I was going by memory, I guess there are three mystery planets.  The one with the shields orbiting it stuck in my mind for obvious reasons.  It looked the coolest and reminds me of 'The Dark Crystal'. 

[Dreadfie]

Nice screenshots. <span>:smileyhappy:</span>It's quite clearly <i>not</i> Luclin as a couple other posters politely pointed out.The planet in question almost looks to be a cutaway of some sort... perhaps it's meant to depict a "gas giant" style planet like Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, etc. The onion like shells might represent a very thick stratified atmosphere with a small (relatively speaking) solid planatary body nestled within.I remember from very early EQ1 lore that there are other planets in the Ro solar system, but very little was said about them.<div></div>

[Jindrack]

<div></div>Those celestial bodies are named within the ancient text "The Immortals" last seen during the Age of Turmoil.  The text mentions 5 celestial bodies, but six appear in the orrery.  One of them may not have been visible when the text was written those many years ago. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jezekie]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jindrack wrote:<div></div>Those celestial bodies are named within the ancient text "The Immortals" last seen during the Age of Turmoil.  The text mentions 5 celestial bodies, but six appear in the orrery.  One of them may not have been visible when the text was written those many years ago. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Drinal, Anbeal, Cordan, Trorsmang, Luclin, X?</span></div>

[Kamimura]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:The planet in question almost looks to be a cutaway of some sort...<hr></blockquote><p>That's what it looks like to me. Like one of those models you'd find in a science class, showing the various layers of earth. (Only in this case, not earth. :p)</p><p> </p><p>Edit: Here is the text from the Immortals.. everyone has always told me they were moons, but it seems to me they could be names for anything. (They may have been meant to be moons at some point, but EQ2 lore could go another way. Or, this could be the last time we ever see something like this, who knows. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p><p><u>The following is the text from the book of Immortals:</u><i>The immortals who can be spoken of are not the Eternal Immortals. Their Spoken names are not the eternal names. In the namelessness they are the beginning of heaven and earth. </i><i>Named they are one of the ten thousand things. Though different in title they spring from one source and appear as darkness Darkness within darkness. The gate to their mystery. The immortals do not go forth. All comes to them. They are like the ocean, the king of ten thousand streams. By staying beneath they are a receptacle for all things. They do nothing. Yet are masters of the universe. Trorsmang! Be our course of action. Anbeal! Become the Vessel to hold our virtue. Drinal! Be our stability, where we can take root. Cordan! Fill our vessels and calm our ambitions. Norrath! Take our husks and breathe life into them. We beseech you! Guide us in your humility. </i> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class="date_text">04-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:30 PM</span></p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

People assumed they were moons for 2 reasons. The first being their mention in the Immortalis, which confirmed their existance and names. The second because of the original Plane of Sky's sky, which had 4 celestial bodies visible within it. People always assumed they were 4 moons around Norrath and its sky.Instead, it now appears that 2 of those bodies were planets. (This has been confirmed both by the Planetarium in EQII and the Planetarium added in the Academy of Arcane Sciences when Freeport was revamped in EQLive. (I meant to check but didn't get around to it, to see if EQLive's planet also had 'shells' around it)<div></div>

[Kamimura]

<P>Yes, I've seen the sky before they ruined it. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I guess being in there with two other moons, it may have made sense for them also to be consitered moons, but it's not hard evidence.</P> <P>In any case, the planetarium in EQL shows a few other planets. The one I assume to be Norrath has two moons.. The others seem to have none. One has rings around it, but no shells. I'll post some pictures when I get a chance. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:46 PM</span>

[Kamimura]

<P>Here is a shot of the whole thing..</P> <P><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/9.jpg"></P> <P>Here is Ro, and the planet which appeared to be closest to it..</P> <P><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/112.jpg"></P> <P>Norrath and its two moons? Second from the sun..</P> <P><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/12.jpg"></P> <P>Third out I believe..</P> <P><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/113.jpg"></P> <P>And last, fourth out. It's got rings..(?) Pretty big size.. A gas planet maybe? Or is that land, sea, and clouds? </P> <P><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/1.jpg"><A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/1.jpg" target=_blank></A></P> <P> </P><A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/12.jpg" target=_blank></A><A href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/Fayiel/112.jpg" target=_blank></A><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:08 PM</span>

[Dreadfie]

Nice pics Kamimura. <span>:smileyhappy:</span>I took a look at the planetarium myself with my monk the other day. Your pictures capture it very well. The one thing I noticed is that the textures should be considered stylized rather than photorealistic representations. Norrath's surface appears completely devoid of land masses for instance.I'm assuming Luclin is the yellow moon because of its ecentric orbit around Norrath. I noticed that Luclin isn't represented with its traditional ring(s).Having said that, the big ringed planet does <i>appear</i> to have land masses, but that could just be different colored clouds and gases like our own solar system's gas giants show.Ro= SunFirst planet nearest Ro= MercuryNorrath= EarthNext planet= Mars or VenusRinged Planet= Saturn or JupiterIt's obvious that Ro (the sun) isn't to scale. It's not that much bigger than the satalites orbiting it. A yellow star would be hundreds of times the size of the sphere representing Ro so that calls into question the relative scale of the other celestial bodies to one another.I'd say the ringed planet shown in the EQ1 pics is the cutaway planet shown in the EQ2 pics., but that's just an educated guess.<div></div>

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

Luclin isn't the yellow moon. Luclin you coudn't see from Norrath as it was shrouded in a thick mist. The other moon we could see.

[Dreadfie]

<blockquote><hr>MysidiaClash wrote:<div></div>Luclin isn't the yellow moon. Luclin you coudn't see from Norrath as it was shrouded in a thick mist. The other moon we could see.<hr></blockquote>Luclin has an eccentric orbit according to lore. When Luclin is closest to Norrath, the portals can be used to transport back and forth... when Luclin is at its greatest distance, the portals can't be used. That's how the Combine got "stuck" on Luclin and it wasn't until the moon traveled back through its orbit to once again get close to Norrath that it was possible for players to travel back to Luclin.All the above lore was connected to the quest/event that lead to the Nexus activation.The yellow moon clearly shows the "off center" orbit that supports the lore. The purple moon has a uniform orbit.The Veil of Luclin did hide Luclin from the Norrathian's view. Right before the shattering, the Veil of Luclin was stripped away from Luclin and it could be seen from Norrath shortly before it exploded. It was a cloak more than a mist. From the Plane of Sky in EQ1, you could see a ringed Luclin along with Drinal (which is the moon visible from Norrath).<div></div>

[Kamimura]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MysidiaClash wrote:<BR> Luclin isn't the yellow moon. Luclin you coudn't see from Norrath as it was shrouded in a thick mist. The other moon we could see.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>As dread said, the yellow moon most like is Luclin due to it's orbit. </P> <P>Also, though it was hidden, probably everyone on Norrath knew it was there after they all started to travel back and forth from Luclin to Norrath. It wasn't any secret anymore.</P> <P>The darker moon looks to be Drinal. (The colors of the moons probably don't have any meaning as to which they are. Just a way to tell them apart.)</P><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:29 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>It's true. Look at the pictures. It's acurate even down to the eliptical orbit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>According to Lore, Luclin was only visible to Norrath during certain times of the year. When it's closest to Norrath on it's orbit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Drinal on the other hand, always moved across the sky from North to South instead of East-West.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The picture shows one of the two moons with a diagonal orbit, but it's enough to warrant the north to south thing.</DIV>