Lucan is .... a Paladin?

[Quicksilver74]

<div>So I was inspecting the statue of Lucan in Freeport the other day and I noticed it had a buff on it, like certain mobs do.   To my surprise this was a Paladin buff.   I think they are messing with us... or is it possible that Lucan is (or was) an actual Paladin, fallen from grace, but not a full fledges Shadowknight?   Could that be what makes him so truly terrible? </div>

[Brigh]

yes.EQ1 lore.

[Quicksilver74]

<div></div><p>O RLY?</p><p> </p><p>got any links where I can find out more about my city's enfamous leader?</p>

[thesilverf]

<div></div><p>Lucan was a Pally. </p><p>There is a good deal of info in this thread.</p><p><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=2145&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=2145&view=by_date_ascending&page=1</a></p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div>Lucan was a a Paladin of Marr before founding the Freeport Militia in EQ1 lore.

[Sways]

<div></div><p>The Lucan statue on the evil isle of refuge has a similar thing - my 8 year old son noticed this and it really bothered him.  I will have to print out the lore.  We had a big discussion on whether he could be a pally since he is evil or if it was a mistake. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Lucan *WAS* a paladin.</div>

[MakhailSamma]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Lucan *WAS* a paladin.</div><hr></blockquote>doesn't "was" a paladin = "is" a shadowknight?

[Pathin Merrithay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>MakhailSammael wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Lucan *WAS* a paladin.</div><hr></blockquote>doesn't "was" a paladin = "is" a shadowknight?<hr></blockquote>I actually think Lucan is a unique creature, having retained his Paladin abilities even after becoming evil. It's been a long time since fighting him in EQ1 though, so don't quote me on that, but I think it definitely adds some cool flavor to his character.

[vikingthug]

<div>Being a Lich, Im sure he has some tricks up his sleeve.  He seems to fit the traditional role of an anti-paladin.  But he definatly has charator and his motives are very mysterious unlike his counterpart.</div>

[Saber]

"Evil" paladins are not unheard of. See Lord Inquisitor Seru in EQ1.<div></div>

[galacticdu]

<div></div><div>A Paladin needs to believe in goodness and justice. So Lucan had to be an upstading goodminded person to become a Paladin. Right?  I would like to know at what point on his life he changed his whole mindset. What traumatic incident drove him to hate that which he believed in, to be a good Paladin of Marr. Some one would only make a dramatic 360 deg change like that if there was a  traumatic incident in there lives. ie death of a loved one.  or maybe his mind was taken over by a powerful being.  Would like to see a dev post on this because nothing in the Lore I read pinpionts the actual event that causes Lucans change to evil ways.</div><p>Message Edited by galacticdude on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:49 PM</span></p>

[Ra]

<div></div><font color="#99ff33">Well, my memory regarding this is not what it used to be, but I managed to dig through the old soulfire quest script to provide some insight as to who Lucan is, for those who did not play EQ1, or did not know much about him.  The following is the quest dialogs from the Lucan part of the Soulfire quest.  Basically when you encounter Lucan, you find that he's also trying to find Soulfire, the paladin epic..  The sad irony of Lucan De'Lere is that he was likely exiled from the Hall of Truth, and set on his path to true evil simply because he was a better fighter than Dillius of the Priests of Marr.  We never really do know who drew first.  For those who don't want to read all of this, I can paraphrase.  Basically Lucan was taken in by the Knights of Truth, and was trained as a paladin.  Unfortunately he was overzealous in the protection of Freeport, and he established the questionable freeport militia to aid in the protection of the city.  Dillius, of the Priests of Marr thought Lucan and his militia were gaining too much power, and it came to a fight, and Lucan won.  For killing Dillius he was exiled from the Knights of Truth, and over time he fell very far from his paladinhood, even becomming involved with the shadowknight guild of Neriak.  However, Lucan himself never explicitly became a shadowknight.  I've also included the text of Lucan's testimony (something each paladin wrote and carried with them).  You see in the testimony that basically Lucan became undead because he broke his oath to Mithaniel Marr.  In the quest for the Soulfire (paladin epic in EQ1) you basically run into Lucan, who is also trying to recover the Soulfire.  It's quite interesting to think of Lucan, the exiled paladin, looking to recover the Soulfire....  Anyhow, here's the script from EQ1.</font><span></span>You say, 'Who is Sir Lucan?'Valeron Dushire says 'Lucan is a bad seed. You see, I trained Sir Lucan. He was nothing more than a street rat who was taken in by the Temple of Marr. The priests taught him and found him to be very agile and strong. They requested either the Priests of Marr or the Knights of Truth take him on as a squire. Gygus could not spare the trainers at the time and so we took the boy. The boy became a man, and a very formidable knight. Then something [went awry].'You say, 'What went awry?'Valeron Dushire says 'During one of our crusades into the lands of Norrath, we left Sir Lucan in charge of the remaining knights. He did much good and the people respected him. He was overtaken by power. He soon began to hire mercenaries to guard the city, calling them the Freeport Militia. His true downfall began when he killed Sentry Dillius, a paladin of the Priests of Marr. His divine powers were stripped from his soul. He was a paladin no longer. He and his militia now control the city. They treat it as their playground and bully the populace. Someone must [stop Sir Lucan].'You say, 'I will stop Sir Lucan'Valeron Dushire says 'That would be good, but I doubt you can. We have been trying for years and are unable to get him apart from the militia. If you do the impossible and destroy Sir Lucan, bring me his testimony. Every knight of the Hall of Truth carries a signed testimony. Sir Lucan still holds his.'<font color="#99ff33">At this point you kill Sir Lucan, and he respawns as an undead creature.  After killing the undead Lucan you loot the testimony.</font><i>Loot A Testimony of Truth off his undead form, which identifies as "Sir Lucans Testimony." The text is almost identical to your own Testimony (see below).</i>TESTIMONY TRUTHI believe in the might of Mithaniel Marr. I shall uphold the words of Marr and defend them with my life. I shall protect the righteous weak and avenge the souls of those whose life has been taken for naught. From this day forth I shall become a living vessel for the ideals of the Truthbringer and if I should ever falter from his grace may he cast me from this life and into the lifeless void.PRAISE BE TO MARRSir Lucan D'Lere <div></div>

[galacticdu]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Rawq wrote:<div></div><span></span>You say, 'What went awry?'Valeron Dushire says 'During one of our crusades into the lands of Norrath, we left Sir Lucan in charge of the remaining knights. He did much good and the people respected him. He was overtaken by power. He soon began to hire mercenaries to guard the city, calling them the Freeport Militia. <strong><em><font color="#ffff00">His true downfall began when he killed Sentry Dillius, a paladin of the Priests of Marr. His divine powers were stripped from his soul. </font></em></strong>He was a paladin no longer. He and his militia now control the city. They treat it as their playground and bully the populace. Someone must [stop Sir Lucan].'<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>That is the key event that literally changed him.  TY Rawq now I understand Lucan.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by galacticdude on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:57 PM</span></p>

[Duhulk]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>In most strict fantasy tenats, an evil paladin is imposible. As soon as the paladin becomes evil he is stripped of his divine abilies.</div><div> </div><div>but EQ tends to be more liberal, which is fine</div><div> </div><div>In fact, as Lucan is a character that aspouses personal godhood above the old pantheon, it adds a lot to the legitmacy of that claim.</div><div> </div><div>/soapbox on</div><div>Now if the team would just do the right thing by all of us and actually put our leaders, and the box cover characters, into the game in an interactable way.</div><div>It was mildly acceptable at launch, at this point it is beyond the barrier of the absurd given the noble titles and massive accomplishments by many player characters. XD</div><div>If are now able to actually meet them after completing the Qeynos Claymore quests, I'm going to wear a Free Lucan and Antonia Button to E3 :p</div><div>/soapbox off</div><div> </div><div>(forgive my rant, this is my one pet peeve I allow myself to openly flame about :p)</div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Duhulk on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:02 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Duhulk on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:04 PM</span></p>

[DreamerClou]

<div></div>Was Lucan married at one point in his life?  Or is that just a false memory...

[Cusashorn]

<div>It says he is widowed, meaning he's outlived all his wives.</div>

[Ra]

<div></div>It's quite true that in the strictest sense he can't technically be a paladin, but there is one condition that may exempt him from that rule.  The gods have withdrawn from norrath, taking with them their various blessings and curses (i.e. ogres and giants regaining their intellect).  I think it's a valid agrument that with the withdrawl of the gods that Lucan might be able to use paladin abilities again.  I don't really think he's ever officially been a shadowknight, despite the school of thought in that direction.  From a fantasy perspective it takes significant training to become a shadow knight, much like it takes to become a paladin..I don't think you can simply become one or the other simply by doing a good or bad deed respectively.I think maybe somewhere the lore associated with Lucan has gotten mixxed in with the story of Lhranc, the first human shadowknight.  The full dialog for the EQ1 shadowknight epic is at http://www.rpgexpert.com/180.html.  Maybe it's just that they both have lost an eye, and both wound up as undead due to a curse that comes from Marr, but I think the two tales may have gotten a bit blended together in EQ2.  These two are definately not the same person though, as both Lhranc and Lucan can easily be up at the same time in EQ1, and their tales share some fairly significant differences.  Plus I think Lhranc's story actually played out long before Lucans.Or maybe Lucan is a shadowknight these days, who knows..it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that the statue you inspected is a paladin simply due to some slip-up in the game.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Rawq on <span class="date_text">04-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:22 AM</span></p>

[Thax]

<div></div>Not that this necessarily means anything from a purely lore standpoint, but I'm pretty sure Lucan used harmtouch in EQ1.

[Saber]

I've killed him probably a hundred times in EQ1, and never saw him use harmtouch. I believe he's a warrior in EQ1, both in normal and undead form.<div></div>

[Kindayr]

<div></div><div></div><div>Yes, of corse he was.</div><div> </div><div>1. He weilds the Soulfire, a Paladin-wield-only weapon in EQLive.</div><div> </div><div>2. <img src="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/sir_lucan_dlere.jpg"></div><div> </div><div>3.<img src="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/Sir_Lucan_D%60Lere_%28undead%29.JPG"></div><div> </div><div>And if i recall, you had to kill him for the Paladin Epic; therefore he was not only a Paladin, but also a fallen Paladin in EQLive.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>"It's quite true that in the strictest sense he can't technically be a paladin, but there is one condition that may exempt him from that rule.  The gods have withdrawn from norrath, taking with them their various blessings and curses (i.e. ogres and giants regaining their intellect).  I think it's a valid agrument that with the withdrawl of the gods that Lucan might be able to use paladin abilities again.  I don't really think he's ever officially been a shadowknight, despite the school of thought in that direction.  From a fantasy perspective it takes significant training to become a shadow knight, much like it takes to become a paladin..I don't think you can simply become one or the other simply by doing a good or bad deed respectively.I think maybe somewhere the lore associated with Lucan has gotten mixxed in with the story of Lhranc, the first human shadowknight.  The full dialog for the EQ1 shadowknight epic is at http://www.rpgexpert.com/180.html.  Maybe it's just that they both have lost an eye, and both wound up as undead due to a curse that comes from Marr, but I think the two tales may have gotten a bit blended together in EQ2.  These two are definately not the same person though, as both Lhranc and Lucan can easily be up at the same time in EQ1, and their tales share some fairly significant differences.  Plus I think Lhranc's story actually played out long before Lucans.Or maybe Lucan is a shadowknight these days, who knows..it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that the statue you inspected is a paladin simply due to some slip-up in the game."</div><div> </div><div>Oh he defenantly can. The class of Paladin was studied in Freeport before the Age of Turmoil.</div><div> </div><div>Just because he lives in Freeport, doesn't mean he's has to be a Shadowknight. You can't be a Paladin in Freeport because they don't teach the art there, only Shadowknightry.</div><p>Message Edited by Kindayr on <span class="date_text">04-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:25 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Kindayr on <span class="date_text">04-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:26 PM</span></p>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kindayr wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>Yes, of corse he was.</div><div> </div><div>1. He weilds the Soulfire, a Paladin-wield-only weapon in EQLive.</div><hr></blockquote>Not to detract from your thread; I like most of your points... But Lucan -never- weilded the Soulfire. You needed to kill him for his testimony, but the sword wasn't ever in use by him.

[Dreadfie]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Pathin Merrithay wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kindayr wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>Yes, of corse he was.</div><div> </div><div>1. He weilds the Soulfire, a Paladin-wield-only weapon in EQLive.</div><hr></blockquote>Not to detract from your thread; I like most of your points... But Lucan -never- weilded the Soulfire. You needed to kill him for his testimony, but the sword wasn't ever in use by him.<hr></blockquote>I think he means the Lucan of EQ2 rather than EQ1. In EQ2, Lucan owns and weilds Soulfire.</span></div>

[Duhulk]

<div>Soulfire is a planar weapon I'm pretty sure. I don't think the PLD only attribute was an inherent characterstic. The fact that a priest reforges the sword for you might have somethign to do with that.</div><div> </div><div><hr>The gods have withdrawn from norrath, taking with them their various blessings and curses (i.e. ogres and giants regaining their intellect).  I think it's a valid agrument that with the withdrawl of the gods that Lucan might be able to use paladin abilities again. <hr></div><div> </div><div>I think that's actually counter-intuitive. With the gods withdrawing, one would think all priests and paladins would LOSE their magic. Divine magic isn't cast or created by the user like mage magic. It comes directly from the gods.</div><div> </div><div>Of course, the priests and plds can all still use their magic, so something is going on there.</div>

[vikingthug]

<div></div>As far as the gods being gone, I think that was what the devs had in mind, but didnt think it through all the way.  After all, you cant have divine magic if the gods have withdrawn theyre blessing.  So, that being said, they will probably backtrack and say the gods really arent gone, just playing oppossum, doing whatever it is the gods do when devs forget something like that.

[Lings]

<P>I've said this in a couple of Threads....</P> <P>but first: Lucan D'Lere *WAS* a Paladin of Marr, but became corrupt when they left him in charge to go off on a crusade or some such thing (i just read that, didn't actually play EQ1)</P> <P>As for that paladin buff. It is a stupid, annoying, bug (I assume).</P> <P>Like the fact that %r with a harvest node targeted returns barbarian as the rock's race. Or with other targetable objects returns human</P> <P>Or the hailable stump in CL click on it and you say "Hail, a stump"</P> <P>Or the Qeynosian version of this Queen Antonia Bayle's statue is... AN ILLUSIONIST!!! What does that mean? Is she lying to her people!? Confusing them and manipulating them for some higher plot!? Probably not, I'd say it's just a bug.</P> <P>Edit: Recently, I have noticed that at LEAST one of the Overlord's statues now sports a Dark Caress Shadowknight buff...</P><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class=date_text>04-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:18 PM</span>

[Lings]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>vikingthug wrote:<div></div>As far as the gods being gone, I think that was what the devs had in mind, but didnt think it through all the way.  After all, you cant have divine magic if the gods have withdrawn theyre blessing.  So, that being said, they will probably backtrack and say the gods really arent gone, just playing oppossum, doing whatever it is the gods do when devs forget something like that.<hr></blockquote>If you talk to some NPCs they tell you that they've found another place to draw their divine power from, other than the Gods of old.

[TheGReddy]

That is a REALLY nice buff though.

[Trepan]

<div><blockquote><hr>vikingthug wrote:<div></div>As far as the gods being gone, I think that was what the devs had in mind, but didnt think it through all the way.  After all, you cant have divine magic if the gods have withdrawn theyre blessing. </blockquote>Don't underestimate the power of Faith.</div>

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

<P>The gods AREN'T gone from us. They just refuse to meddle in our lives and have closed the doors to their planes. The way I see it, they're licking their wounds from the countless visitations to their home and the [Removed for Content] kickings they received from us. IMO, they're embarassed and their pride was hurt. How coud MORTALS come and kill them? In their own homes, no less...</P> <P> </P> <P>Lucan is a Lich now, but he is a fallen paladin. And if EQ goes by D&D standards (which they do for several things), fallen paladins still have their powers but use their powers for domination and evil.</P>

[BrownDogLongTong]

I'm sorry, but it has been clearly stated in official lore that when a paladin in the Knights of Truth is kicked from their order from evildoing or whatnot, their divine powers are STRIPPED.  That's not to say that ascention to lichdom did not give him extreme power, and with his background and knowledge of all things paladin, those powers reflect his previous "life" and experiences.<div></div>

[Phylok]

<DIV>Perhaps Soulfire restored some of his paladin abilities.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Soulfire isn't a Paladin only weapon. Just associated with them the most. The Avatar of War wielded the Soulfire and we know nothing of what it may have done to him, but he certainly wasn't a paladin.</DIV>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saberen wrote:<BR>"Evil" paladins are not unheard of. See Lord Inquisitor Seru in EQ1.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Seru wasn't evil.  He was a purist.  He's what happens when you follow the paladin teachings to the letter.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saberen wrote:<BR>"Evil" paladins are not unheard of. See Lord Inquisitor Seru in EQ1.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Seru wasn't evil.  He was a purist.  He's what happens when you follow the paladin teachings to the letter.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He's a Totalitarian dictator. What he says, goes. His own guard faction in the city even worked against each other.

[ke'la]

<DIV> Some one would only make a dramatic <FONT color=#ff0000>360 deg change</FONT> like that if there was a  traumatic incident in there lives. ie death of a loved one</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry but I have to... if he made a 360deg change he would be like Aniken Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi, he would have circled back to where he was at the start meaning good. What you really want to say is he did a 180 or maybe a 540 as that would be the Turn from good to evil.:smileywink:</DIV>

[Dreadfie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nainitsuj wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Saberen wrote:"Evil" paladins are not unheard of. See Lord Inquisitor Seru in EQ1. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Seru wasn't evil.  He was a purist.  He's what happens when you follow the paladin teachings to the letter.<hr></blockquote>Seru attempted to have Emperor Katta assassinated... where in the paladin teachings does it talk about that? Oh wait, probably the same place that the Knights of Truth got the idea to assassinate Lucan in EQ1. <span>The crazy paladins with their assassination plots. :smileyvery-happy:</span></div>

[Nainitsuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saberen wrote:<BR>"Evil" paladins are not unheard of. See Lord Inquisitor Seru in EQ1.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Seru wasn't evil.  He was a purist.  He's what happens when you follow the paladin teachings to the letter.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Seru attempted to have Emperor Katta assassinated... where in the paladin teachings does it talk about that? Oh wait, probably the same place that the Knights of Truth got the idea to assassinate Lucan in EQ1. <SPAN>The crazy paladins with their assassination plots. :smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>He wanted him eliminated.  Same difference.  Why did he want him eliminated again (I honestly forgot).  All I remember was Seru thought what he was doing was the right thing to do according to his teachings.<BR>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nainitsuj wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saberen wrote:<BR>"Evil" paladins are not unheard of. See Lord Inquisitor Seru in EQ1.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Seru wasn't evil.  He was a purist.  He's what happens when you follow the paladin teachings to the letter.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Seru attempted to have Emperor Katta assassinated... where in the paladin teachings does it talk about that? Oh wait, probably the same place that the Knights of Truth got the idea to assassinate Lucan in EQ1. <SPAN>The crazy paladins with their assassination plots. :smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Its true. Seru killed Tsaph Katta in order to divide the empire and bring about political change, because he didn't like the way things where running. He didn't like seeing *EVERY RACE ON ANTONICA* actually living in peace.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>The paladins want to eliminate Lucan to bring about Political Change. The only thing with the Paladins is that they actually WOULD be doing the right thing by trying.</P>

[Dreadfie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nainitsuj wrote:<div></div>He wanted him eliminated.  Same difference.  Why did he want him eliminated again (I honestly forgot).  All I remember was Seru thought what he was doing was the right thing to do according to his teachings.<hr></blockquote>Seru set up the assassination of Emperor Katta because Katta was about to allow the dark races, the dark elves in particular, into the Combine Empire. From what is gathered from lore, Seru is a cultural and racial bigot. Sanctus Seru is perhaps the most socially oppressive city in EQ1. Seru's not a very nice guy if your skin color is different than his. He's the very definition of a fascist.</div>

[Vhalen]

The Knights of Truth ad the Priests of Marr had a very important reason, or calling, to eliminate the Overlord. The reason has not been revealed yet, but goes beyond retribution. Too bad the Order of Marr have been eliminated or they could tell us, or have they? If they are still around, what have they been up to?

[Saroc_Luclin]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Nainitsuj wrote:<div></div>He wanted him eliminated.  Same difference.  Why did he want him eliminated again (I honestly forgot).  All I remember was Seru thought what he was doing was the right thing to do according to his teachings.<hr></blockquote>Seru set up the assassination of Emperor Katta because Katta was about to allow the dark races, the dark elves in particular, into the Combine Empire. From what is gathered from lore, Seru is a cultural and racial bigot. Sanctus Seru is perhaps the most socially oppressive city in EQ1. Seru's not a very nice guy if your skin color is different than his. He's the very definition of a fascist.</div><hr></blockquote>BTW, in case anyone is curious,  there is apparantly a mission you can do in EQLive now where you participate in trying to save Katta from Seru and Seru's forces back then. I believe it is basically an 'artists interpretation of the events' though (It's a Monster Mission that takes place in the new Freeport Theatre IIRC; I haven't done the mission itself yet)</div>

[Eriol]

<blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:Seru set up the assassination of Emperor Katta because Katta was about to allow the dark races, the dark elves in particular, into the Combine Empire. From what is gathered from lore, Seru is a cultural and racial bigot. Sanctus Seru is perhaps the most socially oppressive city in EQ1. Seru's not a very nice guy if your skin color is different than his. He's the very definition of a fascist.<hr></blockquote>Just because I'm a political junkie, you should know that facism != racism. In fact, it's a lot more accurate to say facism + racism = nazism. Nazism and Facism are certainly related (and both certainly not good things), but it is the racism aspect that tilts the balance. The facist wants to control your life, and have a strict social heirarchy (I'm WAY over-simplyfying this btw), but really doesn't give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] what race you are, as long as you don't work against the "good of the government." (yes facism is scary) Nazism is the one that uses race as their primary motivator behind what is good and bad, and "good of the race" rather than government directly (though of course they go hand-and-hand in nazism).So Seru's the very definition of a [Removed for Content], not a facist.

[xentavius]

"That's not to say that ascention to lichdom did not give him extreme power, and with his background and knowledge of all things paladin, those powers reflect his previous "life" and experiences." I like that explanation. <div></div>

[Zeroimagination]

<blockquote><hr>vikingthug wrote:<div></div>As far as the gods being gone, I think that was what the devs had in mind, but didnt think it through all the way.  After all, you cant have divine magic if the gods have withdrawn theyre blessing.  So, that being said, they will probably backtrack and say the gods really arent gone, just playing oppossum, doing whatever it is the gods do when devs forget something like that.<hr></blockquote>Vhalen hinted in one of his posts that the modern priests have found a way to tap into the primal forces the gods represented <u>without the gods themselves</u>.  So, they draw their power from hate or fear or whatnot without bothering to go through the whichever gods represented hate or fear or whatnot (and I didn't play eq1 much, so I'll avoid even trying to remember the names).  He also hinted that the overlord helped them discover how to do it.<div></div>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<P>And as a random aside, the old school paldins of EQ1 were never traditionally DnD in the strictest sense. They were Holy Warriors of their Gods/Godesses, but that doesn't necessarily make them 'good,' as much as it makes them 'devout'. If Tunare needed me to kill some greedy timbercutters to save one of her old growth forests, then I'd have gone ahead and done it. It may not be 'good' in the strictest sense, but it is following the teachings of my Goddess.</P>

[Istaril]

Now, I know it's just nitpicking - but <blockquote><hr>:<div></div> <p>only make a dramatic 360 deg change like that if there was a </p><hr></blockquote>A 360 degree turn brings you back where you started <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Trepan]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>Too bad the Order of Marr have been eliminated or they could tell us, or have they? If they are still around, what have they been up to?<hr></blockquote>Digging for air? Edit: And by that I meant "Trying to find their way out of Befallen?" </div><p>Message Edited by Trepan on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:00 PM</span>

[Cragger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Duhulk wrote:<BR> <DIV>Soulfire is a planar weapon I'm pretty sure. I don't think the PLD only attribute was an inherent characterstic. The fact that a priest reforges the sword for you might have somethign to do with that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> The gods have withdrawn from norrath, taking with them their various blessings and curses (i.e. ogres and giants regaining their intellect).  I think it's a valid agrument that with the withdrawl of the gods that Lucan might be able to use paladin abilities again.  <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think that's actually counter-intuitive. With the gods withdrawing, one would think all priests and paladins would LOSE their magic. Divine magic isn't cast or created by the user like mage magic. It comes directly from the gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course, the priests and plds can all still use their magic, so something is going on there.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ah, but I think that brings the real argument EQ2 tries to present to us. The gods supposedly withdrew their realms from the mortals because the mortals where becoming to powerfull and infringing on their influence. Now think about it, if it was in their power why couldn't the gods simply withdraw their blessings from the priests, and crusaders, and etc. that where a core center of the mortal's advance. It raises the question does the power come from the god, or does the god's power come from the believers faith in mythology?</P> <P>Maybe thats something Lucan was able to comprehend and retain his abilities despite losing faith, that those that fell where preventing themselves in some way by losing their faith and not the gods. And in many ways he draws on the faith of his citizens and followers and expends great energy to maintain it with various showings and occurances.</P> <P>Either way we will find out eventually, or they will keep it a mystery forever.</P>

[Diern]

I think you might be right Cragger.

[FIREREVIVE666]

Ummm... wouldnt he be making a 180 degree turn since 360 would just put him still on the pally path? just wondering because i thought evil was the opposite direction so he would have to tunr around to go that way hence only going 180 <div></div>

[Hadanelith]

<P> </P> <P>I think between Cragger's post and the Facist/Nazism points brought up by others we're fairly close to cracking this from a practical, Dev-Uninformed standpoint. From my own experiences in Pen-n-Paper Roleplaying (both D&D and otherwise) I can say that a "Dark Paladin" is actually very easy to create.</P> <P>Think of the Knights Templar in real-world history, or any of the various Knight orders from Medieval Europe. A good share of them did things that most would consider "less than good" (at best), but the fact of the matter was, they were acting on the interpretation of the word of their God. As such, I pose the following scenario:</P> <P>Lucan created the Freeport Militia because he felt the Priests of Marr had become "weak" through their insistance on doing "the right thing." As such, he truly did create the Freeport Militia to protect Freeport, and he swore to do so through whatever means necessary. As long as he was serving the greater good of the people, he felt that he was properly interpreting the teachings of Marr by protecting the weak and innocent from those that wished to exploit them, even if it meant resorting to assinations and other offensive maneuvers. It is quite possible (and I'd hope I could find some verification from Lore) that he undertook the quest to find Soulfire as a journey of atonement, to prove that he truly held the beliefs and ideals of a Paladin though he may not specifically and strictly follow Marr's teachings.</P> <P>Regardless, he'd already been cursed by Marr... and for arguement's sake, I'd like to make the point that he may have never completed his quest for redemption until after the God's had withdrawn their influence. As such, although he may (or may not) have redeemed himself in the eyes of Marr, he regained/retained his Paladin abilities by proving himself worthy of the Paladin's "ultimate" Holy weapon.* That's when we get to the idea of retaining his power by keeping his faith, rather than the direct intervention of the Gods themselves.</P> <P>At this point, Lucan's status as a living paradox begins. He is undead, and seemingly evil, yet he is a Paladin. His methods are attributed to the path of darkness, but his actions guided by light; as the saying goes, "The worst of things have been done with the best of intentions." I'm willing to venture that Soulfire has no small part in Lucan retaining his powers; if anything, Soulfire serves as physical evidence of not only his intentions but also his faith to Paladin ideals, and it's quite likely that having this Holiest of Holy weapons, as well as an undying body, granted him both the physical and spiritual endurance to tap into the raw cosmic power of the Planes themselves. And after doing it once, it was merely a matter of finding more efficient ways of drawing on this power. After his followers in the Freeport Militia heard of or saw this display of power, it was easy for him to rise as leader of Freeport... and with the help of dark priests who wished to regain their power, as well as dark arcanists with a thirst for GREATER power, he was able to learn the methods by which even a common mortal could draw upon this power without destroying themselves the way Lucan would have were he not "blessed" with an undying body.</P> <P>I'd also like to point out that, if the scenario played out something like this, Marr's "curse" did indeed become a "blessing" once he redeemed himself by obtaining the Soulfire even though the God himself did nothing. Or, if he completed this quest before the Pantheon fell, perhaps Marr's divine power allowed him to see how Lucan's influence could help protect the world from the power of dragons after the Gods' withdrawal. At any rate, the devs have left this pretty open-ended whether it was intended or not, and this sort of open-endedness allows us to create mythos for ourselves... which they may or may not adopt after the fact &gt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor</P>

[Lysanthir Ahmquissar]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zeroimagination wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vikingthug wrote:<BR> As far as the gods being gone, I think that was what the devs had in mind, but didnt think it through all the way.  After all, you cant have divine magic if the gods have withdrawn theyre blessing.  So, that being said, they will probably backtrack and say the gods really arent gone, just playing oppossum, doing whatever it is the gods do when devs forget something like that.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Vhalen hinted in one of his posts that the modern priests have found a way to tap into the primal forces the gods represented <U>without the gods themselves</U>.  So, they draw their power from hate or fear or whatnot without bothering to go through the whichever gods represented hate or fear or whatnot (and I didn't play eq1 much, so I'll avoid even trying to remember the names).  He also hinted that the overlord helped them discover how to do it.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That viewpoint is explicitly laid out on the new priest quest line for new characters from the priest on the docks in Sunken City. I think thats who it was at least! I've been doing writs/quests on my first new FP character and really enjoying the starter quest lines - very well thought out lore and rewards and really helped with immersion. Of course it might have been a writ giver in the temple but I think I'm right. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Lady_Risii]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Soulfire isn't a Paladin only weapon. Just associated with them the most. The Avatar of War wielded the Soulfire and we know nothing of what it may have done to him, but he certainly wasn't a paladin.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually in the original everquest Soulfire was and still is a Paladin only weapon <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434</A> .  As is the Fiery Avenger (the "upgrade" ) that is if I remember right a quest from the planes.  As for an NPC wielding a Paladin only weapon, well we know what goes for players in eq never goes for npcs =)  Heck it could have been one of those mage summoned flaming swords you always saw enchanter pets running around with.

[VerdicAysen]

<DIV>Ok >> Snips in here >>> First i'd like to direct a question to our Lore handlers. Why was it justified that Lucan D'lere remain a character in EverQuest after having been a bit part (constantly destroyed) NPC in a Paladin holy sword quest? The lore just doesn't match up to me. Number one the Paladin that completed Soulfire had to go through Lucan and kill him in order to finish it, so the justification of Lucan still existing at all is moot. Then turning around to stab loyal Paladin players in the back with giving him Soulfire and coming up with a twist of plot that makes him capable of weilding Soulfire and denying this as a heritage quest? Or for that matter taking Ghoulbane's Paladin only status away <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> However, theoretically if this had been at all possible, if you can even fathom his existence after 1,000,000 deaths <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (i contribute to at least 75 of them) Soulfire still should have been unable to be weilded by someone who gave their faith and heart over to evil and jealousy. The Paladins seemed to follow much of the same path as the Jedi, selflesness and compassion, love but not lustful love, passion being forbidden. These were people who dedicated themselves to their diety, and did not seek to be Overlods of cities but to serve cities in humility and with honor. Lucan has strayed from the path of the Paladin, he took the Order from light and brought it into darkness. He was supposed to be one of the most gifted Paladins of all time and instead of being their savior he was their destruction. For that reason alone Soulfire should deny his very existence. </DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady_Risii wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Soulfire isn't a Paladin only weapon. Just associated with them the most. The Avatar of War wielded the Soulfire and we know nothing of what it may have done to him, but he certainly wasn't a paladin.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually in the original everquest Soulfire was and still is a Paladin only weapon <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434</A> .  As is the Fiery Avenger (the "upgrade" ) that is if I remember right a quest from the planes.  As for an NPC wielding a Paladin only weapon, well we know what goes for players in eq never goes for npcs =)  Heck it could have been one of those mage summoned flaming swords you always saw enchanter pets running around with.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah but the Avatar of War wasn't a Paladin, so explain that.

[melaine_dvarvensplitter]

<DIV>I find this read extremely interesting as I hadnt playe EQ during its "Prime" and that in the end has caused me a bit of being lost on the Lore. However, I have been slowly playing it and figuring out the world of old. Yes I understand several changes are/have been done since the time many here have played it. That being said, I am surprised that Lucan was a paladin and on the occasion you can see the Pally buffs. <BR><BR>Nice thing is upon reading this Lore it actually fits into my Mains reasoning of why he hates Lucan.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*-hastily scribbled note in blood on a shield outside the entrance to Lucan's manor reads the following:<BR><BR> Lucan I will gain entrance upon your home and destroy you with the power of my touch and you will learn to beg to Marr for him to save you. I knew ye had the heart of a weakling and a coward, if ye were so much of a power in Freeport you wouldnt allow, Gnomes, Dwarves, the Fae folk, and many others to walk in this city I call home. Mark me Lucan your time will come and I will control Freeport.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/salute <BR><BR>Ramone*<BR><BR>I had noticed the post from a Dev in regards to the Knights of MIthaniel Marr and I got to wondering here... The froglok's below the water fall in TT i believe they could be the Knights that he speaks of???<BR></DIV> <DIV>/salute </DIV> <DIV><BR>M.</DIV>

[Stormhawk]

<blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>The Knights of Truth ad the Priests of Marr had a very important reason, or calling, to eliminate the Overlord. The reason has not been revealed yet, but goes beyond retribution. Too bad the Order of Marr have been eliminated or they could tell us, or have they? If they are still around, what have they been up to?<hr></blockquote>Does this mean we might be seeing the Outpost of Marr soon?  I remember screenshots floating around of it pre-beta. As a matter of fact: http://www.eq2online.com/gallery/albums/screenshots/marr_reflect.jpg<div></div>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady_Risii wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Soulfire isn't a Paladin only weapon. Just associated with them the most. The Avatar of War wielded the Soulfire and we know nothing of what it may have done to him, but he certainly wasn't a paladin.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually in the original everquest Soulfire was and still is a Paladin only weapon <A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434</A> .  As is the Fiery Avenger (the "upgrade" ) that is if I remember right a quest from the planes.  As for an NPC wielding a Paladin only weapon, well we know what goes for players in eq never goes for npcs =)  Heck it could have been one of those mage summoned flaming swords you always saw enchanter pets running around with.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah but the Avatar of War wasn't a Paladin, so explain that.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Umm.. he did. The Avatar of War wasn't weilding the Soulfire. Similar graphic, not the same weapon.</P> <P>I also remember Aradune running around with it way, way back in the day. He was a ranger, but when you create the game, you get liberties. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Regardless, Soulfire is and was a Paladin weapon only.<BR></P>

[Zeroimagination]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lysanthir Ahmquissar wrote:<div> <blockquote> <hr> Zeroimagination wrote: <blockquote> <hr> vikingthug wrote: <div></div>As far as the gods being gone, I think that was what the devs had in mind, but didnt think it through all the way.  After all, you cant have divine magic if the gods have withdrawn theyre blessing.  So, that being said, they will probably backtrack and say the gods really arent gone, just playing oppossum, doing whatever it is the gods do when devs forget something like that. <hr> </blockquote>Vhalen hinted in one of his posts that the modern priests have found a way to tap into the primal forces the gods represented <u>without the gods themselves</u>.  So, they draw their power from hate or fear or whatnot without bothering to go through the whichever gods represented hate or fear or whatnot (and I didn't play eq1 much, so I'll avoid even trying to remember the names).  He also hinted that the overlord helped them discover how to do it. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>That viewpoint is explicitly laid out on the new priest quest line for new characters from the priest on the docks in Sunken City. I think thats who it was at least! I've been doing writs/quests on my first new FP character and really enjoying the starter quest lines - very well thought out lore and rewards and really helped with immersion. Of course it might have been a writ giver in the temple but I think I'm right. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Oops, that could be my bad then.  I do have a level 9 toon I made after the newbie isle changes to check them out.  So I probably saw that quest.  In my head it sounded like Vhalen lore... and was in question and answer format, so I thought I had seen it on these boards.  But probably it was just something I had read in the game.  (I suppose Vhalen stil could have written it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</div>

[Decerto]

<P>Tis true Lucan was a paladin! </P> <P>and just for good messure, i killed him at least twice on EQ1.....</P> <P>Your Overlord dont seem to tough now eh?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>The underlying and unseen goal of life apears to be an immortal battle for supremacy!</P> <P> < Chronox ></P>

[Dali]

<DIV> <P>"Like the fact that %r with a harvest node targeted returns barbarian as the rock's race. "</P> <P>ROFLCOPTER. That's too funny. Chicken or the egg, anyone?</P></DIV>

[Vhalen]

Just like the Overlord, Soulfire's past is true, but the present introduces new developments yet to be discovered. But be careful, you know what they say about curiosity.

[Decerto]

Bah what dose it mater any how. its not as if we get to fight Lucan or Antonia or even see for that mater...

[Joren_Wolfheart]

I got killed by Antonia Bayle once...That was a tough day... soon thereafter I had to slay 500 orc...<div></div>

[Decerto]

<P>How did you manage that? are you talking EQ1?</P>

[Wargod1968]

Betrayal quest. The only way to see Antonia or Lucan in-game is to betray. Kind of lame, IMO. Hope future development changes that.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Decerto wrote:<BR> <P>How did you manage that? are you talking EQ1?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>hehe. He's talking about the Betrayal quests. The only time in the game you actually meet Antonia or Lucan face to face. They lecture you about your betrayal to the city, then order you killed.</P> <P>You do take the XP debt and armor damage (which is why you go in naked).</P> <P> </P> <P>For the Freeport-Qeynos betrayal quest, you're killed with a poison right in front of Lucan's eyes, but you're quickly revived outside in the Commonlands by the very "Executioner" who killed you, and then you're sent on your way from there. You gotta kill 500 gnolls/orcs as part of the betrayal quest afterwards.<BR></P>

[Decerto]

<P>oic, thanks, now i know i might try that just to see em =)</P> <P>tis a shame you can only see them there tho. Would be nice to have the ability to kill, or just fight them.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN>  <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN>  <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN>  <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN>  <P><SPAN class=time_text>Life should not be messured by the amount of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away!</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>'Chronox 60 Conjuror'</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Decerto on <SPAN class=date_text>04-19-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:13 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Decerto on <span class=date_text>04-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:14 PM</span>

[Ceruline]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>Just like the Overlord, Soulfire's past is true, but the present introduces new developments yet to be discovered. But be careful, you know what they say about curiosity.<hr>Okay.  So curiosity kills Kerrans - what about Frogloks?  Do we get to survive?</blockquote></div>

[Priestbane]

The full curiosity quote is that satisfaction brought the killed Kerran back, so I think I'll deal with my curiosity.  =)

[Diern]

<P>I am not convinced Lucan is a Paladin. yes, he WAS a Paladin, yes his statue appears with a Paladin buff. But lucan has changed much in 500+ years perhaps he still retains some of his paladin powers, then again maybe that buff is just to throw us off.</P> <P>If Lucan is a Paladin, and I must sound like a broken record here but here I go again....</P> <P>Why do Shadowknights get a spell called "Lucans Pact" which right up until live update #13 gave us a Skeleton (lich) form?</P> <P>read that again "Lucans Pact".</P><p>Message Edited by Diernes on <span class=date_text>04-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:07 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Blah blah blah spell named after someone blah blah blah....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blah blah blah statue has a paladin buff so everyone must take it at face value and assume that it's intricately woven into the deep-seeded history of Norrath as if written in stone... blah blah.</DIV>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Blah blah blah spell named after someone blah blah blah....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blah blah blah statue has a paladin buff so everyone must take it at face value and assume that it's intricately woven into the deep-seeded history of Norrath as if written in stone... blah blah.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Seriously, nobody's forcing you to contribute to this thread Cusa. I think the rest of us though are actually having a decent time debating whether or not Lucan remains a Paladin or not.<BR>

[PhozFa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Diernes wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>I am not convinced Lucan is a Paladin. yes, he WAS a Paladin, yes his statue appears with a Paladin buff. But lucan has changed much in 500+ years perhaps he still retains some of his paladin powers, then again maybe that buff is just to throw us off.</p> <p>If Lucan is a Paladin, and I must sound like a broken record here but here I go again....</p> <p>Why do Shadowknights get a spell called "Lucans Pact" which right up until live update #13 gave us a Skeleton (lich) form?</p> <p>read that again "Lucans Pact".</p><p>Message Edited by Diernes on <span class="date_text">04-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:07 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Don't forget SK's fun spell at 50 hand of lucan... hmm evil pally, 2 SKs spells named after lucan (or another way is saying SKs drawing power from lucan) but anyway to all the pallys who did thier soulfire quest. When you killed Lucan what did he do? he eventually respawned.  <span>:smileytongue:</span> we can't tell if he is still a pally or became a shadowknight and while someday we may know that day isn't today. What is known is he can control certain aspects of the undead. Lucan was born a human. How many humans live for 500 years? Is it far fetched if he lived for 500 years he could return from a pally trying to kill him. IMO Lucan has loved freeport more than anyone. You can't deny if it wasn't for Lucan the city would be destroyed. <div align="center">Lucan = EQ's Hitler </div> <div></div><p>Message Edited by PhozFate on <span class=date_text>04-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:38 AM</span>

[Justinfate]

<P>One point I would like to make is that I don't think Lucan created the Freeport Militia.  I played EQOA (Everquest Online Adventures on PS2) which was supposed to take place about 500 years before EQ1.  Freeport is a small trading city on the ocean just south of Neriak and the Freeport Militia guard the outside areas of Freeport.  The Freeport Guard patrol the inner city, and are on a different faction than the militia.  In fact in beta testing the guard were not kos to my dark elf but the militia were.</P> <P>Perhaps the militia was a different form then the one Lucan created 500 years later, just thought it was an interesting point.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Oh the Militia existed as long as Freeport. It's just Lucan who turned them to thier full corrupt potential.</DIV>

[KidMangaX]

<P>well Im glad I'll finally be able to explain another of these problems.</P> <P> </P> <P>Er-herm. I dun' know much about soulfire, except that its a mythical paladin/shadowknight weapon and "has uber skills". I also know you get it from killing Lucan D'Lere. If other people have this sword, then that means it cant have almighty powers like it is said to. I will start by saying now, that, while I will probobly spend the rest of my days, even up to the final hours of EQ2, trying to find a Mythical Necromancer items I can call my own, MYTHICAL ITEMS ARE JUST ITEMS.</P> <P> </P> <P> Which also means that unless there is a proc on it, its NOT gonna bring his powers back, so the chance of that working are about as likley as I ever will find a mythical necromancer item to call my own <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Next up is that whole paladin issue. If his powers were stripped from him, then that means hes not a powerful paladin any more. But have you ever thought for a few minutes, that maybe his uber buff is a CRUSADER buff and that he's actually a CRUSADER or SHADOWKNIGHT!? He has to be one to wield soulfire. And aside from that, he's undead! So why cant he be using that SK spell that gives you great def and turns you into a skeleton to make him apear undead or lich-like? I mean come on! I figured that would have been everyone's first guess.</P> <P>My next theory is that he's a class of his own. Not everything in the game has it's own class. Some creatures borrow skills from a bunch of classes, or dont have a class at all. Animals don't have classes, and im pretty sure that GIANT STONE GOLEM or LICH isn't a class! So is it possible that he technically "is" a shadowknight but is such an uber raid mob that he borrows from other classes? I'd haveta say the same thing about antonia because if she is an illusionist, then I feel bad for my whole archtype: Mages.</P> <P> </P> <P>would you all like to  know something? I haven't spent hours reading lore like you all have. No free time. On top of that, I aint the hugest fan of lore but whatever thats not important. But I will say that if it's such a big deal to you all: Write some fanfiction and say its lore, or just ask SOE for more lore. And remember to say please for pete's sake :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P> </P> <P>Your undying master,</P> <P> </P> <P>-Sahaquiel Darklore</P> <P> </P>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KidMangaX wrote:<BR> <P>well Im glad I'll finally be able to explain another of these problems.</P> <P> </P> <P>Er-herm. I dun' know much about soulfire, except that its a mythical paladin/shadowknight weapon and "has uber skills". I also know you get it from killing Lucan D'Lere. If other people have this sword, then that means it cant have almighty powers like it is said to. I will start by saying now, that, while I will probobly spend the rest of my days, even up to the final hours of EQ2, trying to find a Mythical Necromancer items I can call my own, MYTHICAL ITEMS ARE JUST ITEMS.</P> <P><STRONG><EM>Actually, you're wrong on both counts. Soulfire was a Paladin only weapon and you do NOT get it from Lucan. Not as a drop, not as a direct quest reward. He's just one of many steps along the way. Also the most difficult one (though these days I would imagine he's very much a joke)</EM></STRONG></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><STRONG><EM>Do I think Lucan works equally well as a Shadowknight as he does a fallen Paladin? Sure. I think his story loses some of its 'mystique' as it were, but no big deal either way. Clearly to make the jump from class specific to none class specific weapons and the creation of classes that didn't exist in EQ 1, you need to make up alot of stuff to fill in the gaps.</EM></STRONG><BR>

[Dreadfie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Oh the Militia existed as long as Freeport. It's just Lucan who turned them to thier full corrupt potential.</div><hr></blockquote>According to the SOE devs, EQ Online Adventures isn't considered canon in regards to EQ1 and EQ2 lore.According to EQ1 lore, Lucan did form the Freeport Militia in order to protect Freeport when the Knights of Truth went to fight in Faydwer. He needed the extra strength so hired outside of the paladins to reinforce his numbers.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh the Militia existed as long as Freeport. It's just Lucan who turned them to thier full corrupt potential.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>According to the SOE devs, EQ Online Adventures isn't considered canon in regards to EQ1 and EQ2 lore.<BR><BR>According to EQ1 lore, Lucan did form the Freeport Militia in order to protect Freeport when the Knights of Truth went to fight in Faydwer. He needed the extra strength so hired outside of the paladins to reinforce his numbers.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No duh, but they still existed back then. Trust me. I'm the last person who needs to be reminded that EQOA isn't canon.

[Axxon]

<P>Take a look at this <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10597&jump=true#M10597" target=_blank>Teir'Dal history </A>I just posted and, in particular, the picture of Overlord Xanit K'Ven about 6 or 7 posts down.  Its the spitting image of LDL.  </P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2308/xanit6qs.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P><EM>Overlord</EM> Xanit K'Ven was a unifier of the dark elves and favorite of Innoruuk.  He was whisked away to the PoH when  King and Queen Thex and the DE nobles turned on him.  I would not be at all surprised if Xanit = Sir Lucan of EQ1 (reincarnated, placed there by Inny, whatever) and is now Overlord Lucan D'Lere.  It may be a stretch, sure, but its as plausible as anything else.  Maybe that's why he has people digging through Neriak....find out if the Queen is still alive and, if so, make sure he finally  kills her like he did Naythox.</P> <P>He is a fallen Paladin, IMO.  He exhibits a lot of SK traits.  If he is who I think he is, it would not be inconceivable for him to exhibit the traits of Paladins, SKs, Necros, etc etc.  He's not a PC, and if he is the servant of Innoruuk, the *rules* we all live by regarding spells and available weapons would not apply to him.  Sure....he was Teir`Dal and he's human now.  But with Innoruuk, all things are possible.  </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Drakkonius on <span class=date_text>04-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:44 PM</span>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>"According to EQ1 lore, Lucan did form the Freeport Militia in order to protect Freeport when the Knights of Truth went to fight in Faydwer. He needed the extra strength so hired outside of the paladins to reinforce his numbers."</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </P> <P>When exactly, did the Knights of Truth leave to fight in the Faydwer, and for what reason?  I am curious, as this is associated with the EQ1 timeline rather than in the years which followed afterwards.  EQ Table Top RPGs allude to this as well.</P> <P> </P> <P>As to the question of the Freeport Militia, I see no real inconsistency between EQoA, and EQ1 lore.  The discrepency can be explained by the existence of two (separate) organizations, or (as is common practice in the real world), the Militia is an auxilary force only called out in times of crisis, or (also in common), the Militia, is the private military force of a political faction competing with, (and often adverserial), with the legitimate military forces of the nation.  I see all three situations as possibilities as regards the Freeport Militia as it has existed through the various EQ worlds.</P>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drakkonius wrote:<BR> <P>Take a look at this <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10597&jump=true#M10597" target=_blank>Teir'Dal history </A>I just posted and, in particular, the picture of Overlord Xanit K'Ven about 6 or 7 posts down.  Its the spitting image of LDL.  </P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2308/xanit6qs.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P><EM>Overlord</EM> Xanit K'Ven was a unifier of the dark elves and favorite of Innoruuk.  He was whisked away to the PoH when  King and Queen Thex and the DE nobles turned on him.  I would not be at all surprised if Xanit = Sir Lucan of EQ1 (reincarnated, placed there by Inny, whatever) and is now Overlord Lucan D'Lere.  It may be a stretch, sure, but its as plausible as anything else.  Maybe that's why he has people digging through Neriak....find out if the Queen is still alive and, if so, make sure he finally  kills her like he did Naythox.</P> <P>He is a fallen Paladin, IMO.  He exhibits a lot of SK traits.  If he is who I think he is, it would not be inconceivable for him to exhibit the traits of Paladins, SKs, Necros, etc etc.  He's not a PC, and if he is the servant of Innoruuk, the *rules* we all live by regarding spells and available weapons would not apply to him.  Sure....he was Teir`Dal and he's human now.  But with Innoruuk, all things are possible.  </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Drakkonius on <SPAN class=date_text>04-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P> </P> <P>It really does look a lot like Lucan!</P>

[Dreadfie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mary the Prophetess wrote:<div>When exactly, did the Knights of Truth leave to fight in the Faydwer, and for what reason?  I am curious, as this is associated with the EQ1 timeline rather than in the years which followed afterwards.  EQ Table Top RPGs allude to this as well.</div> <hr></blockquote>The Knights of Truth and Priests of Marr left for a "crusade" against the Crushbone Orcs. Before they departed, they left the paladin, Sir Lucan D'Lere in charge of Freeport's defenses while the Knight's where away.The crusade didn't go very well for the Knights or the Priests and they came back to Freeport beaten and weakened by loss of numbers. Lucan saw that the Knights wouldn't be able to properly defend Freeport in their weakened state along with their reduced numbers, so he left the militia in place to guard Freeport.As for the time, I don't have an exact date, but probably a decade or two before EQLive started was when the crusade/militia events happened. That would put Lucan early or the middle of his career if one's to assume he's in his 40s during EQLive.</div>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<DIV> <P>This little snippet is from the EQ Table-Top RPG, in the module titled, <STRONG><U>Realms of Norrath: The Forests of Faydark</U></STRONG></P> <P>There is more in that book concerning The Hills of Shade that proceeds this particular entry, as well as more about the Hills which follows after it, but this is the bit which refers specifically to the Crusade.</P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG><U><FONT color=#ffff00 size=2>The Crusade of Tears</FONT></U></STRONG></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=2>The undead were eventually noticed by two of the gods--Mithaniel and Erollisi Marr. Concerned about this development, and other goings on throughout the continent, the twin gods ordered their worshipers to undertake a Crusade. Not only were the undead of the Hills of Shade to be destroyed, but numerous other objectives on Faydwer were ordered as well. To this day, no one knows the full extent of the gods' commands but their chief followers.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffff00>The Priests of Marr and the Knights of Truth, both based out of Freeport, took up the call and bent their full, and considerable power to the Crusade. Through careful and complex diplomacy, the followers of the Marr Twins managed to gain acceptance from local governments on Faydwer for their fight; and they were free to march through the wilds of the continent as they wished. The Crusade took many years, and eventually cost the orders the control of their home city, but in time the will of their gods was carried out. Whatever else the Crusade's warriors may have done, they cleansed the Hills of Shade of undead, and made it once more nothing but an empty wasteland.</FONT> </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting.</FONT></P></DIV>

[DreamerClou]

On a side note, the Lucan statue in North Freeport definetly does NOT have a paladin buff.  It looks more like a Shadow Knight buff.  Not sure if this was mentioned earlier in the post.

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dreadfiend wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Oh the Militia existed as long as Freeport. It's just Lucan who turned them to thier full corrupt potential.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><STRONG>According to the SOE devs, EQ Online Adventures isn't considered canon in regards to EQ1 and EQ2 lore.</STRONG></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry to hijack the thread, but could I have a quote please?</P>

[Kentros]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drakkonius wrote:<BR> <P>Take a look at this <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=10597&jump=true#M10597" target=_blank>Teir'Dal history </A>I just posted and, in particular, the picture of Overlord Xanit K'Ven about 6 or 7 posts down.  Its the spitting image of LDL.  </P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2308/xanit6qs.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P><EM>Overlord</EM> Xanit K'Ven was a unifier of the dark elves and favorite of Innoruuk.  He was whisked away to the PoH when  King and Queen Thex and the DE nobles turned on him.  I would not be at all surprised if Xanit = Sir Lucan of EQ1 (reincarnated, placed there by Inny, whatever) and is now Overlord Lucan D'Lere.  It may be a stretch, sure, but its as plausible as anything else.  Maybe that's why he has people digging through Neriak....find out if the Queen is still alive and, if so, make sure he finally  kills her like he did Naythox.</P> <P>He is a fallen Paladin, IMO.  He exhibits a lot of SK traits.  If he is who I think he is, it would not be inconceivable for him to exhibit the traits of Paladins, SKs, Necros, etc etc.  He's not a PC, and if he is the servant of Innoruuk, the *rules* we all live by regarding spells and available weapons would not apply to him.  Sure....he was Teir`Dal and he's human now.  But with Innoruuk, all things are possible.  </P> <P>Message Edited by Drakkonius on <SPAN class=date_text>04-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They share a striking resemblance to each other, except for one glaring detail.  Overlord Lucan D'Lere has his scar on his RIGHT side, whereas Overlord Xanit K'Ven has his on the left.

[Axxon]

I noticed that too.  Xanit is also Teir'Dal while LDL is human.  It may be nothing more than some borrowing of lore/art from one game to another.  I did find it interesting, tho.

[Faedok]

Here's my question...Paladin of Innoruuk, or Paladin of Cazic-Thule? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (Hate, and Fear)Lucan comes off as a chaotic-good, or chaotic-neutral as well... he thinks he's doing good, but his actions are of evil and chaos. He feels that the greater-good is being served. Should the world fall under his banner, and his rule, there would indeed be peace... through fear... but the end result would be peaceful. As for Soulfire... I wouldn't hold onto it's lore too hard. If the whole world of Norrath can undergo drastic and cataclysmic change in an instant, then why not a sword? What if Soulfire was the reason for it all in the first place? What if the Holy Sword was twisted by it's misuse, and that caused the terror of the world?SOE should publish some books on this, and give them to subscribers for free. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Dreadfie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Faedok wrote:Lucan comes off as a chaotic-good, or chaotic-neutral as well... he thinks he's doing good, but his actions are of evil and chaos. He feels that the greater-good is being served. Should the world fall under his banner, and his rule, there would indeed be peace... through fear... but the end result would be peaceful. <div></div><hr></blockquote>I see Lucan as more of a Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral. His version of order and the law is what Freeport is all about. There is very little that I see chaotic in his actions. Everything seems to be very calculated. Freeport is basically a police state and that points towards law being at the forefont of Lucan's mindset. His actions might seem unpredictible, but that doesn't mean they're chaotic, but rather very complex or he's working an unexpected agenda.Having said that, my dark elf assassin loves living in Freeport and killing in the name of Lucan.<span>:smileyhappy:</span></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faedok wrote:<BR>Here's my question...<BR><BR>Paladin of Innoruuk, or Paladin of Cazic-Thule? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (Hate, and Fear)<BR><BR>Lucan comes off as a chaotic-good, or chaotic-neutral as well... he thinks he's doing good, but his actions are of evil and chaos. He feels that the greater-good is being served. Should the world fall under his banner, and his rule, there would indeed be peace... through fear... but the end result would be peaceful. <BR><BR>As for Soulfire... I wouldn't hold onto it's lore too hard. If the whole world of Norrath can undergo drastic and cataclysmic change in an instant, then why not a sword? What if Soulfire was the reason for it all in the first place? What if the Holy Sword was twisted by it's misuse, and that caused the terror of the world?<BR><BR>SOE should publish some books on this, and give them to subscribers for free. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Lucan doesn't believe in the gods. They've abandoned us, and his immortality means he's the highest power now and doesn't believe there is any power who can defeat him.</P> <P> </P> <P>All Freeportians are allowed to worship the gods if they want, but they have to acknowledge Lucan as the higher power.</P>

[Zh]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div>All Freeportians are allowed to worship the gods if they want, but they have to acknowledge Lucan as the higher power.<hr></blockquote>Or at least pretend they do</div>

[King_BoB]

Just adding a couple of notes... in EQ 1 Soulfire is not the epic, it is the first "Flaming" Paladin sword that is the first sword on the way to the epic... Here's the entire quest readout on Allakhazam:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=362" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/....html?quest=362</a>One of the most interesting things about the Soulfire quest is the text spoken when you receive it in EQ 1:Brother Hayle says 'You have proven yourself worthy to hold Soulfire. Do not let her slip into the hands of evil. There are many who wish to free the many trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers trapped inside the blade. The power of the blade can be called upon to heal you if need be. May Rodcet Nife and the twins of Marr hold you in their glory.' Trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers, sounds like something Lucan would want to get his hands on and advance it further. If you follow the Soulfire quest you find that at one point a Shadowknight stole the sword and then had it stolen from him (by Zimmel)... so it was created for Paladins but in the lore of a game good weapons can definitely used for evil.<i>Edit: Wow I didn't realize how old this was lol</i>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>King_BoB wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just adding a couple of notes... in EQ 1 Soulfire is not the epic, it is the first "Flaming" Paladin sword that is the first sword on the way to the epic... Here's the entire quest readout on Allakhazam:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=362" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/....html?quest=362</a>One of the most interesting things about the Soulfire quest is the text spoken when you receive it in EQ 1:Brother Hayle says 'You have proven yourself worthy to hold Soulfire. Do not let her slip into the hands of evil. There are many who wish to free the many trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers trapped inside the blade. The power of the blade can be called upon to heal you if need be. May Rodcet Nife and the twins of Marr hold you in their glory.' Trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers, sounds like something Lucan would want to get his hands on and advance it further. If you follow the Soulfire quest you find that at one point a Shadowknight stole the sword and then had it stolen from him (by Zimmel)... so it was created for Paladins but in the lore of a game good weapons can definitely used for evil.<i>Edit: Wow I didn't realize how old this was lol</i></blockquote><span style="font-size: large;">Y HELLO THAR NECROPOST!</span>

[Rezikai]

hmmm well the SoulFire is somehow related to Theer,.. it even tells Zimmel in the dream he has..  "I am Aeteok, the Right hand of Theer." So.. its a sword with the souls of Necromancers and ShadowKnights inside of it... hmm and its power can be called upon you to heal you if need be, perhaps its a reason (albeit a slim chance) why we all thought Lucan was a lich to maintain his long life.. yet Vhalen came here and almost flat out told us Lucan wasnt.*rubs chin* hmmm...

[Jindrack]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>King_BoB wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just adding a couple of notes... in EQ 1 Soulfire is not the epic, it is the first "Flaming" Paladin sword that is the first sword on the way to the epic... Here's the entire quest readout on Allakhazam:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=362" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/....html?quest=362</a>One of the most interesting things about the Soulfire quest is the text spoken when you receive it in EQ 1:Brother Hayle says 'You have proven yourself worthy to hold Soulfire. Do not let her slip into the hands of evil. There are many who wish to free the many trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers trapped inside the blade. The power of the blade can be called upon to heal you if need be. May Rodcet Nife and the twins of Marr hold you in their glory.' Trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers, sounds like something Lucan would want to get his hands on and advance it further. If you follow the Soulfire quest you find that at one point a Shadowknight stole the sword and then had it stolen from him (by Zimmel)... so it was created for Paladins but in the lore of a game good weapons can definitely used for evil.<i>Edit: Wow I didn't realize how old this was lol</i></blockquote><span style="font-size: large;">Y HELLO THAR NECROPOST!</span></blockquote>Necroposting is allowed in History and Lore.  Thanks.

[Cusashorn]

I know it is, but it's still fun to point them out.

[troodon]

<p>If someone wants to permenently win the "oldest necro post" game all they have to do is post in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=186396" target="_blank">this</a> thread.  Just one post.  C'mon, I dare you.</p>

[Wluil]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know it is, but it's still fun to point them out.</blockquote>I'm glad you did. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> For whatever cracked reason "Y HELLO THAR NECROPOST!" had me giggling for a good 15 minutes. I think it's 'cause I pictured Orihime saying it.

[ratdeath]

We says noes!!! It cants be trues!!! Noes!!!!Lucan is a Shadowknight!! Yeses!!!

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Piyorat@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>We says noes!!! It cants be trues!!! Noes!!!!Lucan is a Shadowknight!! Yeses!!!</blockquote>Lucan was a paladin of the Knights of Truth.  They left him in charge of the city when they went to fight the war on Faydwer.  When they got back he'd taken control over most of the city with his Militia, with the Priesthood of Marr and the Knights of Truth confined in influence to the northern section of Freeport known as "The Hill".  Once stripped of his paladin abilities by Mithaniel Marr, he was considered to be of the Warrior class in EQ1.  He had no magical abilities when fought.  I can't say what he's become in EQ2 since we can't fight him.

[Illine]

<p>shadow knights get abilities with the name lucain in it. plus it says he's kind of a lich and since he's a fallen paladin, I assume he became some kind of SK.</p><p>he has used magic to increase his lifespan or has made pact with entities we don't know of. you need magical powers to do that, warriors fight but don't know anything about magic.</p><p>So he must be a SK.</p>

[therodge]

<cite>Earar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>shadow knights get abilities with the name lucain in it. plus it says he's kind of a lich and since he's a fallen paladin, I assume he became some kind of SK.</p><p>he has used magic to increase his lifespan or has made pact with entities we don't know of. you need magical powers to do that, warriors fight but don't know anything about magic.</p><p>So he must be a SK.</p></blockquote><p>under all technicality i assure you hes not a sk.</p><p>lucan made a pact with entitys we are well aware of, he made a pact with the dismal rage, which is why you see them in their overblown state of authority now, the dismal rage was a small group of necro's/sks in a hidden passae in fp. they were small and for the most part a fairly weak force and knew they couldent take fp by simple force. lucan became a demi-lich through their help. interesting note:</p><p>eq1 when you kill lucan he has 2 stages, stage 1 is a warrior when he dies a skeleton pops were he died, the skeleton is a mix between a necro and an sk (was a necro with harm touch) in eq2 lucans statues have a paladin buff on them, so you decide.</p><p>an interesting note </p><p>speaking of wicked paladins, if i remember correctly this raid mob was a paladin <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=7231" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s...h.shtml?id=7231</a></p><p>dropped the sickest looking sword in game though (the new version)</p><p><a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=67293" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=67293</a></p>

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>therodge wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Earar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>shadow knights get abilities with the name lucain in it. plus it says he's kind of a lich and since he's a fallen paladin, I assume he became some kind of SK.</p><p>he has used magic to increase his lifespan or has made pact with entities we don't know of. you need magical powers to do that, warriors fight but don't know anything about magic.</p><p>So he must be a SK.</p></blockquote><p>under all technicality i assure you hes not a sk.</p><p>lucan made a pact with entitys we are well aware of, he made a pact with the dismal rage, which is why you see them in their overblown state of authority now, the dismal rage was a small group of necro's/sks in a hidden passae in fp. they were small and for the most part a fairly weak force and knew they couldent take fp by simple force. lucan became a demi-lich through their help. interesting note:</p><p>eq1 when you kill lucan he has 2 stages, stage 1 is a warrior when he dies a skeleton pops were he died, the skeleton is a mix between a necro and an sk (was a necro with harm touch) in eq2 lucans statues have a paladin buff on them, so you decide.</p><p>an interesting note </p><p>speaking of wicked paladins, if i remember correctly this raid mob was a paladin <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=7231" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s...h.shtml?id=7231</a></p><p>dropped the sickest looking sword in game though (the new version)</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=67293" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=67293</a></p></blockquote>I'd completely forgotten about that.  He was a Warrior until you killed him.  Then he raised as a more powerful undead with new powers.  Possibley the end result of his pact with the Dismal Rage, which at the time were a cult of Innoruuk.