Gods of Norrath *Words of Zeburoxuk*

[Ama]

<div></div><div></div><div>With the release of KoS a slew of possiblities has opened up to us.  However one thing has been kind of brewing in my mind and I decided to take a peak at is what all the lore keepers *developer lore people <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> * keep pointing us to.  The Sacred book that contains "The Words of Zebuxoruk" which has his testament written in it.  I cracked this open this morning and I am very shocked with what I found in its pages. </div><div> </div><div><font color="#ff0000"><strong>Here is a for warning to all who continues from here. This is a health dose of reading and is copied exactly word for word from the game's book.  </strong></font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2" color="#ffffff"><p align="center">Words of Zeburoxuk</p><p align="center"></p><p> </p><p>It is my intention to record the events I have witnessed that all mortals may be given an understanding concerning the fabric of reality that we now find ourselves in. Those who were with me in that hour would have no recollection of this most important event transpiring around them. If they do have a remembrance then it is as a fleeting touch upon the mind, as if it were a feather drifting with thought, unable to lay hold upon with a hand of understanding. For the minds of mortals are a mysterious thing, even to those that make claim upon their creation.</p><p>And so it came to pass that the races of Norrath gathered together in the place where time cannot be measured for it was time itself, both no time and all times at once. And here did they seek me that I may give them knowledge that I had obtained that was forbidden by the gods of Norrath. But this knowledge I have not recorded upon these pages as it is for another recording for another time and another placed. And so I make a writing concerning the events that transpired upon my liberation from the stasis at the hands of these mortals.</p><p>As I was to impart my forbidden knowledge to them the Matron of the Art, even Druzzil Ro, manifested herself before us and forbade me to share my knowledge with them saying ‘Zebuxoruk, my student I cannot allow this to happen. If you were to escape from another prison the will and power of the gods will have been compromised!’ Addressing me she also spoke saying ‘I must set things back to how they were before you and these mortals arrived here, I believe that you cannot understand this and I am sorry.’ And in so saying weaved her incantation that these mortals’ time as well as my own would be returned to the place of her appointment.</p><p>However, this was not all that transpired. For I beheld the fabric of time that al beings travel upon unfurled before me as a scroll of exquisite parchment. And I beheld that parchment neatly tore in twain at the moment of the Matron’s command, but not as tow parts of a whole but as two wholes of the same whole each contain the same words and symbols and they continued as before, completely unaware of one another. I then watched as one of the parchments curled upon itself for the space of time appointed by the Matron of the Art so that the parchment did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on before me.</p><p>And it came to pass that the two parchments continued on before me into parts I could no longer see, one traveling before the other and the words and symbols upon them both began to change, slightly at first but more and more profoundly as they continued on. And the space of time between them was the very same number of hours that was the appointed time of the Matron. And all this I saw before my loss of consciousness and subsequent reawakening.</p><p>I now must make an end to this writing not knowing which of the fabrics of time I now find myself upon. Is it the one that the Matron made curl upon itself? Is it the one that continued on with the Changing words and symbols? Or could I be on both, the one part having no knowledge of the other? In the end it may matter not but for the sake of knowledge and wisdom I have written this now so that this event may be remembered.</p><p> </p><p><font size="3">Now this does bring up some interesting points here that even hint at the explanation of the time of the shattering.  It almost appears as Zebuxoruk played the part of Prometheus *not our moderator <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> * bringing the forbidden knowledge to the mortals.  Thus time itself was not turned back but was split off and made so that the reality that learned what Zebuxoruk said was torn assunder.   Atleast this is my assumption from what I have read from this book.  Now my question also goes along with another poster in the history forum asking "are the gods returning to norrath."  I think with KoS the possiblities are finally arising since there is 1 hinted clue at this.  </font></p><p><font size="3">*From EQ.ogaming.com The dieties of Norrath*. </font></p></font><div align="center"><font size="3" color="gold"><b>Veeshan · The Mother of all Wurms</b></font></div><p>Veeshan is the great crystalline dragon who rules the Plane of Sky. She needs no allies but considers Brell Serilis an enemy. Veeshan is known as the Mother of All Wurms and this title includes all of dragonkind such as the drakes and wyverns. When the universe was young, Veeshan traveled throughout the cosmos depositing Her children on worlds She deemed worthy. She would then strike the planet with Her massive claws so that the other deities would know She had laid claim to that world. The continent of Velious on Norrath bears Her mark, known as the Scars of Veeshan.</p><p><font size="3">There is one peculiar item that may have significance signifying the return but is questionable.  When you complete the Draconic L&L quest you are rewarded with the trophy of Veeshan.  Unfortunately I cannot post a picture but will once I complete the L&L quest. </font></p><p><font size="3">However which diety will be the first to return to the realm of norrath or will they just reappear to the world? </font></p></div><p>Message Edited by Amana on <span class="date_text">03-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:35 PM</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Drakota, not Draconic.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Good point with the Prometheus reference. It makes sense and would explain the chains.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Anyway. I still stick by it that the gods arn't going to return. Veeshan of anybody especially. She never got involved with anything that ever happened on Norrath. She just dropped her dragons and left.</div>

[Ama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Drakota, not Draconic.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Good point with the Prometheus reference. It makes sense and would explain the chains.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Anyway. I still stick by it that the gods arn't going to return. Veeshan of anybody especially. She never got involved with anything that ever happened on Norrath. <font color="#ff0000">She just dropped her dragons and left.</font></div><hr></blockquote><p>Well if you want to look at it in an alien type reference she quote unquote "Seeded" the world with her children marking the world then leaving.  I say she maybe coming back or atleast maybe returning to check up on her children.  Course I don't have any basis for this since right now the dragons are only concerned with Kerafyrmn as it were. </p><p>I don't know what made me think of it or how but Zebuxoruk tale and Prometheus's tale just seemed to mesh together for some reason.   I guess all those historical classes dealing with greek mythology payed off.  </p>

[Storme2006]

<div></div>As a person that isn't versed on EQ2 lore, but pretty much knows EQ1 lore front to back, I tend to think of it like this:When the mortals killed Quarm and met Zeb, they had effectually began the shattering, in a sense, cause that was something that wasn't ment to happen, and the gods were weakened.  Of course, in EQ1, the shattering didn't happen and won't ever happen, because the mortals were sent back in time, and the error was corrected, and the balance was reset.However, what I get from this is proof of my theory that the alternate timeline which is EQ2 was created at that moment when the "parchment" ripped.   One half was set right, and the other half was still imbalanced, and the gods were angry.  So while EQ1 continued on part A of the parchment (and lets face it, years pass extremely fast in EQ1. Go do a /time and look at the year, then wait a week and try again) and still contained a world with gods, EQ2 existed on parchment B, creating dimension B, or the world without the gods.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Storme2006 on <span class="date_text">03-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:27 AM</span></p>

[Dreadfie]

Veeshan was still active within EQ1, if but in a very small indirect way. She summoned her cheif protector of the Temple of Veeshan, Vulak 'Aerr to the Plane of Sky. He was brought to his creator's side because of his loyalty, devotion and sacrifice in protecting her temple.That's a fantasy way of saying that the developers removed the static spawned Vulak from the game because high end guilds were farming the sin out of him and making his very very nice loot trivial to the point that they'd bring alts in a gear them up. Vulak becamethe boss mob of a "ring event" where the raid had to follow a very challenging script in order to summon him at the end. The rationale would be that he would be summoned from Plane of Sky to protect the sacred Temple.But the fact that Veeshan summoned Vulak to reside in the Plane of Sky shows that she's still aware of what transpires on her children's worlds.  It was also said that Veeshan still kept in communication with her children and that is reinforced by the fact that both the major EQ1 dragon factions, Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale never acted like their goddess was gone or ignoring them. They were very reverent to her.<div></div>

[Ama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:Veeshan was still active within EQ1, if but in a very small indirect way. She summoned her cheif protector of the Temple of Veeshan, Vulak 'Aerr to the Plane of Sky. He was brought to his creator's side because of his loyalty, devotion and sacrifice in protecting her temple.That's a fantasy way of saying that the developers removed the static spawned Vulak from the game because high end guilds were farming the sin out of him and making his very very nice loot trivial to the point that they'd bring alts in a gear them up. Vulak becamethe boss mob of a "ring event" where the raid had to follow a very challenging script in order to summon him at the end. The rationale would be that he would be summoned from Plane of Sky to protect the sacred Temple.But the fact that Veeshan summoned Vulak to reside in the Plane of Sky shows that she's still aware of what transpires on her children's worlds.  It was also said that Veeshan still kept in communication with her children and that is reinforced by the fact that both the major EQ1 dragon factions, Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale never acted like their goddess was gone or ignoring them. They were very reverent to her.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Well like it was stated the parchment was tworn in twain thus producing 2 realities.  The problem is in the 2nd universe our universe the gods have apparently left but i'm not so sure they have quote unquote "Left".  I believe what has happened is they have gone away from our universe yet keep a watchful eye upon it.  This watchful eye being for when mortals begin to tamper with objects that they shouldn't tamper with. </p><p>When this does happen the gods will eventually return as to what order and who returns only the gods themselves know that.</p>

[Dreadfie]

I don't think the gods have left. There is at least one telltale sign that their influence still seeps into the Norrath of EQ2. Having said that, I think they've either chosen not to deal with mortals or they aren't able to because of an outside factor yet to be discovered. So far it seems the game points towards the former, but with KoS and the possible re-introduction of Kerafrym... it might slide towards the latter.Veeshan wasn't a part of the PoT pantheon round table so she very well could be playing by her own rules regarding Norrath. Heck, she had absolutely nothing to do with PoT at all lore wise as far as I know.Her old "Plane of Sky" was floating islands "somewhere" over the surface of Norrath (it was proven by game mechanics that the PoS resided over Freeport becaues you could jump off the islands and after a long drop, zone into East Freeport's harbor). The KoS are floating islands "somewhere" over the surface of Norrath. Both seem to be "out of phase" with the rest of Norrath so that a person can't visually spot them from the surface of Norrath (or I'm assuming from Luclin pre-explosion).Is it coincidental that former Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale dragons have been "discovered" along with new dragons in the KoS? The unsubtle hint towards Veeshan or her influence seems undeniable. I don't we're going to see Veeshan in KoS... I think it's going to be her second in charge, the now demi-god Kerafyrm.I'll just go ahead and say it and wait for the flames... I think Kerafyrm is the one responsible for the shattering and Luclin cracking open. He is supposed to be the one who is meant to cleanse Norrath and return it back to Veeshan's children the way she intended. According to the opening movie that accompanies EQ2, the gods went silent... Rallos destroyed the Nexus... the Rallosian Army rose... they got defeated.... the gods went quiet again... the shattering occured... and once people started getting their stuff together... Luclin cracked open. The gods can't or don't help pick up the pieces. Then after a period of time.... the Kingdom of Sky is revealed. I think there is a very strong push by certain powers for another Age of Scale.It's all speculative and I might be wrong so be gentle. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[Ama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:I don't think the gods have left. There is at least one telltale sign that their influence still seeps into the Norrath of EQ2. Having said that, I think they've either chosen not to deal with mortals or they aren't able to because of an outside factor yet to be discovered. So far it seems the game points towards the former, but with KoS and the possible re-introduction of Kerafrym... it might slide towards the latter.Veeshan wasn't a part of the PoT pantheon round table so she very well could be playing by her own rules regarding Norrath. Heck, she had absolutely nothing to do with PoT at all lore wise as far as I know.Her old "Plane of Sky" was floating islands "somewhere" over the surface of Norrath (it was proven by game mechanics that the PoS resided over Freeport becaues you could jump off the islands and after a long drop, zone into East Freeport's harbor). The KoS are floating islands "somewhere" over the surface of Norrath. Both seem to be "out of phase" with the rest of Norrath so that a person can't visually spot them from the surface of Norrath (or I'm assuming from Luclin pre-explosion).Is it coincidental that former Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale dragons have been "discovered" along with new dragons in the KoS? The unsubtle hint towards Veeshan or her influence seems undeniable. I don't we're going to see Veeshan in KoS... I think it's going to be her second in charge, the now demi-god Kerafyrm.<font color="#ff0000">I'll just go ahead and say it and wait for the flames... I think Kerafyrm is the one responsible for the shattering and Luclin cracking open. He is supposed to be the one who is meant to cleanse Norrath and return it back to Veeshan's children the way she intended.</font> According to the opening movie that accompanies EQ2, the gods went silent... Rallos destroyed the Nexus... the Rallosian Army rose... they got defeated.... the gods went quiet again... the shattering occured... and once people started getting their stuff together... Luclin cracked open. The gods can't or don't help pick up the pieces. Then after a period of time.... the Kingdom of Sky is revealed. I think there is a very strong push by certain powers for another Age of Scale.It's all speculative and I might be wrong so be gentle. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>I'll have to go back and find it but I do have a picture of the sage of ages talking about someone called "The Great Sleeper" I believe destroying the sky or something like that.  I thought it was a reference to a prismatic dragon that had destroyed the Planes of Sky giving us what we now call the Kingdom of Sky.  However I think you are right and it is Kerafyrm that is responsible for the descruction of Lucklin.  As for the shattering the words of Zeburoxuk prove that it was indeed a goddess but the goddess of time that tore the parchment known as Everquest in twain.  The second parchment was then curled upon itself producing what we know as the shattering I believe.  

[Dreadfie]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Amana wrote:<div></div>As for the shattering the words of Zeburoxuk prove that it was indeed a goddess but the goddess of time that tore the parchment known as Everquest in twain.  The second parchment was then curled upon itself producing what we know as the shattering I believe. <hr></blockquote>Thanks for the support. <span>:smileyhappy:</span>I believe that Zeb was speaking metaphorically for something that he was observing that his mind couldn't completely grasp; basically watching reality be ripped in two without completely being seperated. In the text he's unsure of which the folded part represents and which one (if only one) he's on as he writes the words down.My take on it is that the rolled up part represents EQ1's time-line, in that it "rolled backwards time wise and basically became closed from the events in the Plane of Time. The remaining part represents EQ2's time-line because it continued forward with the events left in tact.I'm not completely positive, but I'm pretty sure that the shattering wasn't caused by Druzzil's tearing of the temporal fabric. Once again, I think Zeb was speaking metaphorically and I think Druzzil is smart enough and powerful enough to roll back events a few hours without shattering planets.According to the opening narrative of the game, the gods had been silent for a while before the shattering transpired... which implies that a period of time had gone by between the events in Plane of Time and the shattering.Once again, pure speculation on my part, but I'm thinking that Kerafyrm did his best to wipe mortals off the face of Norrath in the shattering. He failed of course. A while later he does the same thing to Luclin with more devastating results. It makes sense because Luclin was a smaller celestial body than Norrath so the same amount of energy would have a more dramatic effect on it.Having seen that Norrath was a mess and more of his tampering would probably make Norrath into an astroid field, he backs off the planet buster plan and goes to plan B... whatever plan B is.That leaves the question of where are the gods. Are they still ignoring Norrath even though it's been through hell and back? Or are they being kept away or in some other way not able to completely interact with Norrath? Veeshan has always considered Norrath as her children's planet and she still holds a grudge against Brell and Co. for adopting it as their own. Kerafyrm might be running interference or it might be Veeshan herself keeping the gods away. The phrase "the gods have been silenced" sounds like it wasn't their choice completely.</span></div>

[Ama]

<div>Well witnessing Druzzil Ro rip the parchment in twain is something we both agree on.  I have to disagree though I do infact believe the parchment left to go as is was EQ1 where it was as if the events never occured.  The Tearing of the parchment is what actually set time back for both sides however EQ2 was punished by having itself curled upon producing the shattering. </div><div> </div><div>However we may both be wrong and correct at the same time dreadfiend where you are correct that the curling up turned back time for EQ2.  With me being correct that it was the curling up and turning back of time that produced the shattering.  Gods maybe imenselly powerful however they cannot account for every single reaction that might occur.  However maybe the shattering was all apart of Druzzil Ro's plan to punish mortals for their actions.  With Him/her/it forgiving the EQ1 people letting them go on.  </div><div> </div><div>I think the big issue however is we will have to see if Kerafyrm is indeed in the Kingdom of Sky and see what lore it has to offer.  So far I have only seen people taking down the 5 dragons Lord Vymn, Harla Dar, Tarinax and the 2 others in the bottom corner of the KoS logo screen.  </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>A big question however is will we be able to journey to luclin discovering more about its destruction.  Discovering the great sleeper Darathar aka The Sage of Ages speaks of and the history leading up to Luclin's Destruction.  Also learning why the brother/sister moon was left intact.</div>

[Vinid]

   The way I interpret the book of Zeburoxuk, is that when the parchment is ripped and one side is curled its eqlives time line that changes, their set back in time as if nothing happens and repeat the events leading up to the tearing but never actually reaching it again, for those geeks out there think of that Star Trek TNG where the enterprise keeps blowing up and  then starts all over again(and lets just leave out they get out of it, ok <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />      While EQ2's time line is different, the Gods are ticked at the norrathians casue they really messed things up. So they say ok, no more, the mortals are doing bad stuff so lets spite them and seal off the planes (of course the avatars are sent to Norrath to help out the races) and really mess with the mortals by invading the Nexus (if you recall in eq2's original lore they posted on the website) and prevent them from teleporting so they become isolated and more hostile towards one another, ect ect.  Then many years late the vale that is covering Luclin (before the shattering no one could see luclin, thought to be some kind of magic covering cloaking thing) vanished and goes BOOM and causes great problems, aka the shattering  and all the horrid problems there after.I think this kinda explains what you guys are trying to get at.   My assumption is this as far a the tearing of the parchment goes: when it tore it created two universes: Eqlive and Eq2's respective universes, Mirrors of one another, eqlive is forever stuck where it is while eq2's history will continue to grow.    As a note: the principals i note this on are PRE Depths of Darkhollow since EQ2 picks up before then, and i think even an expansion or two before that so its lore splits at that point, not later, so in eq2's line of thought maybe Mistmore never becomes a god since by this time the invasion of the Nexus may have already taken place but its hard to say since we just don't have any lore on this yet, or we haven't found it.<div></div>

[Ama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vinid wrote:   The way I interpret the book of Zeburoxuk, is that when the parchment is ripped and one side is curled its eqlives time line that changes, their set back in time as if nothing happens and repeat the events leading up to the tearing but never actually reaching it again, for those geeks out there think of that Star Trek TNG where the enterprise keeps blowing up and  then starts all over again(and lets just leave out they get out of it, ok <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />      While EQ2's time line is different, the Gods are ticked at the norrathians casue they really messed things up. So they say ok, no more, the mortals are doing bad stuff so lets spite them and seal off the planes (of course the avatars are sent to Norrath to help out the races) and really mess with the mortals by invading the Nexus (if you recall in eq2's original lore they posted on the website) and prevent them from teleporting so they become isolated and more hostile towards one another, ect ect.  Then many years late the vale that is covering Luclin (before the shattering no one could see luclin, thought to be some kind of magic covering cloaking thing) vanished and goes BOOM and causes great problems, aka the shattering  and all the horrid problems there after.I think this kinda explains what you guys are trying to get at.   My assumption is this as far a the tearing of the parchment goes: when it tore it created two universes: Eqlive and Eq2's respective universes, Mirrors of one another, eqlive is forever stuck where it is while eq2's history will continue to grow.    As a note: the principals i note this on are PRE Depths of Darkhollow since EQ2 picks up before then, and i think even an expansion or two before that so its lore splits at that point, not later, so in eq2's line of thought maybe Mistmore never becomes a god since by this time the invasion of the Nexus may have already taken place but its hard to say since we just don't have any lore on this yet, or we haven't found it.<div></div><hr></blockquote><div>That is actually a plausible explanation and I think the words of Zeburoxuk are open to interpretation along those lines.  Like you say he could have witnessed something he did not comprehend thus is how we can get our different interpretations of it. </div><div> </div><div>Here is something interesting though related to the Plane of Sky.  I got this as a quest from a named Droag in Bonemire called Arbiter Selek.</div><div> </div><div><font size="2" color="#ffffff"><p>Arbiter Selek: So, you have returned. It seems I have underestimated you.</p><p>Arbiter Selek: I assumed you had learned the Draconic tongue through some sort of trickery. My master informed me that the path for a Norrathian to learn our language was an arduous one. Having seen it through is a sign of dedication, to say the least.</p><p>Arbiter Selek: My master suggested that I was too harsh with you earlier. You must understand that my life has become much more complicated since the days when my kind served in the temples of Veeshan in the true realm of sky.</p><p>*I asked* Your people are from the plane of sky?</p><p>Arbiter Selek: Indeed, we were created by the Mother of All Wurms to guard her realm. There is no way I can express to you the bliss of serving the highest purpose a being could ever know. Serving our Mother was an honor I shall never forget.</p><p>*I asked* So What Changed?</p><p>Arbiter Selek: Our Mother has always been above the petty bickering of the lesser gods, choosing to ignore their squabbles and watch over her brood. Though distant, we always knew she was there. But there came a time when her presence could no longer be felt, and our home shuddered and weakened in her absence.</p><p>*I asked* Something happened to Sky? *yes I actually ask Something Happened to sky* </p><p>Arbiter Selek: I don’t know how I can express our sadness to you. The barriers between our home and yours grew thin, and for a time it seemed all might be lost. But then a new opportunity arose with the rise of the Awakened, and many of my kind found a new purpose here in the Overrealm.</p><p>*I asked* But not you?</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Arbiter Selek: I can speak no more of this matter here. Draconic words have power, and there are those who notice its use. Let us move on to other matters.</font></p><p>*after that is a quest to retrieve a book for the Arbiter in the halls of fate. A page of the book is to be retrieved for the Arbiter and his master.*</p></font>The part Highlighted in red confuses me a bit making me wonder about the draconic language itself and how it has *power* according to the arbiter.   I think the most interesting part is he actually talks a little about the Droag History.   He also says how when he felt Veeshan's presence leave the place they called home shuddered and weakened.  </div>

[IrishWonder]

<div></div><p>Very interesting. I had read the Words of Zeburoxuk back at release, but I was in such a hurry to find out as much lore as possible, I didn't really give them a second look. A few notes/opinions that I have from reading this thread:</p><p>It seems to me that the parchment rolled back upon itself represented the current EQLive universe. I haven't played EQLive since PoP, but I know there have been many more expansions, so I'm assuming time has continued forward. Time was rolled back to before the mortals talked to Zeburoxuk, and then set back in motion, only this time preventing the mortals from making it that far. This would also be a good way for developers to continue to develop the EQLive and EQ2 games seperately.</p><p>The parchment that continued would be the EQ2 universe. It was not rolled back, so the mortals were not stopped before talking to Zeburoxuk. If you notice, the writing states that Druzzil Ro said, "If you were to escape from another prison the will and power of the gods will have been compromised!" It is also stated in some books/dialogue in EQ2 that the gods have been "silenced" or are being "kept silent," almost as if it is not completely by their will. Some people may recall in other books/games/etc that breaking the will of a god can have serious repurcussions on that god(s). Now, this may be an outrageous theory, but if one of the parchments represents the EQ2 universe where we were NOT stopped from talking to Zeburoxuk, then that means we broke the will of the gods... and maybe, JUUUUST maybe... we accidentally forcefully caused their silence?</p><p>If that is true, then the Shattering/Rending would have to be explained in some way like the Sleeper theory in this thread.</p>

[Ama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>IrishWonder wrote:<div></div><p>Very interesting. I had read the Words of Zeburoxuk back at release, but I was in such a hurry to find out as much lore as possible, I didn't really give them a second look. A few notes/opinions that I have from reading this thread:</p><p>It seems to me that the parchment rolled back upon itself represented the current EQLive universe. I haven't played EQLive since PoP, but I know there have been many more expansions, so I'm assuming time has continued forward. Time was rolled back to before the mortals talked to Zeburoxuk, and then set back in motion, only this time preventing the mortals from making it that far. This would also be a good way for developers to continue to develop the EQLive and EQ2 games seperately.</p><p>The parchment that continued would be the EQ2 universe. It was not rolled back, so the mortals were not stopped before talking to Zeburoxuk. If you notice, the writing states that Druzzil Ro said, "If you were to escape from another prison the will and power of the gods will have been compromised!" It is also stated in some books/dialogue in EQ2 that the gods have been "silenced" or are being "kept silent," almost as if it is not completely by their will. Some people may recall in other books/games/etc that breaking the will of a god can have serious repurcussions on that god(s). Now, this may be an outrageous theory, but if one of the parchments represents the EQ2 universe where we were NOT stopped from talking to Zeburoxuk, then that means we broke the will of the gods... and maybe, JUUUUST maybe... we accidentally forcefully caused their silence?</p><p>If that is true, then the Shattering/Rending would have to be explained in some way like the Sleeper theory in this thread.</p><hr></blockquote><p>That is a possiblity like I said I think the Words of Zeburoxuk are open to interpretation because of what happened.  He witnessed something that he could not understand.  It is the "Curling Upon itself" statement that makes me think it was that parchment that contained EQ2 since the rolling up could be the shattering and the rolling back of time.  </p><p>However I am also gonna lean towards you guys saying it is possible that by "Breaking the will of the gods" is what in reality caused the shattering itself.   Then the EQlive parchment was curled up rolling back time as if it had never happend.   I have a feeling though with KoS more and more will be found out about the history of norrath.  We will also find out more and more the history that took place prior, during, and after the shattering occured.  We already have 4 dragons in there with Tarrinax being the heavy hiter in Deathtoll.  I have not seen it but have heard or there has rumored to be Kerafymn in there as well the demi god to Veeshan the mother of wurms.  </p><p>I actually went back to the Arbiter and got a new quest from him.  I wish now that I had typed it in here but I didn't and might delete the quest just to go back to get his dialogue.  He gives me a new quest where i must find that which name cannot be spoken.   It is a very unusual quest line to start off with and I think this is the access quest to get into deathtoll with the Arbiter's Master being the great Tarrinax necros Dragon.</p>