North Temple of Veeshan / Western Wastes / Kunark ....

[Brailyn]

<div>Why are dragons from here, circulating in KoS... like, is there a reason? Or just Wow, these people will remember the "cool" dragons in EQ1, lets put em in.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>And for the record... Lord Vyemm in NTOV is SO much cooler than Lord Vyemm in the Laboratory....</div>

[Vhalen]

<div></div><p>Have you visited Kunark or Velious lately? It's no wonder they hightailed it out of there.</p><p>Seriously though, major events have taken place in all of the continents. These events are not directly related, but most likely affecting each other in some way or another. The dragon empires are not exempt from this. A number of hints have been presented as to what has happened and what is going on in the dragon empires of old. No doubt, these will be revealed to Norrathians someday.</p>

[Brailyn]

<div>Thank you for the reply, however I would like to go a little further...</div><div> </div><div>Of all the dragons we know about (key phrase)... why is Talendor and Gorenaire invloved so high in the Awakened? Harla`Dar? Pantrilla from Western Wastes? Why not the Dragons that guarded TOV with Sontalak? I am hoping to see some VERY familiar dragons in Deathtoll because of this. Where'd the Veeshan's Peak dragons go? And what about the Sleeper's Tomb Key Dragons? Keeper, Klan, Zlan, Yelinak, Sontalak....</div><div> </div><div>And of ANY Ntov dragon to  have... Vyemm? Yeah he was a hard fight, many avoided for knockback... but...</div><div> </div><div>Vulak`Aerr...I mean, no reason to go through the beastiary, but you get the idea. Please let Deathtoll have some dragons that meant something specific and special in EQ1, if you have to use dragons from EQ1.</div><div> </div><div>Just some random thoughts, and I could go REALLY deep into lore, and stuff, but what is the take on the specific dragons used? Dartboard method? I am a dragon nut fanatic, but some of these choices make me wonder. </div><div> </div><div>Speaking of which!!  /misses TD dragon fish for druid epic Faydedar (sp)</div>

[Icarii_Raven`Lyon]

<div>/seconds missing Faydedar (which i prolly cant spell, since i havent actually seen him in the 2 or 3 years its been since i got my epic 1.0 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>I wanna kill Dozekar the Cursed again. I assume that even after 500 years, he's still bound to West ToV, being killed off and rezzed by other dragon priests again so that he can be killed again.</div>

[Arathy]

I've always had a HUGE soft spot for Wuoshi. I certainly hope that she survived the ages.

[EvilIguana9]

We're only on the second expansion guys.  If they throw all the big ones at us now we'll have nothing to look forward to in the future.  Personally I'm rather curious what they have planned for Lord Kerafym.  Even before EQ2 was released I recall reading that the game took place 500 years after the awakening of the sleeper.  His prominent inclusion in the lore makes me think he is going to have a big role to play later down the line.  After all, he was the toughest mob in of all time in EQ1 and most likely still retains that crown after however many extra expansions.  He has been killed once on all EQ1 servers and then only because of 3 high end raid guilds combining forces in what amounted to an uber zerg fest.  If sleepers tomb had the same restrictions as the latter day raid areas he would have most likely remained unkillable. <div></div>

[Ktok]

<div>Funny story about that... He was killed by that zerg fest on a Zek server of all things. The person who landed the killing shot was instantly PKed by the rest of the raid.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>yeah it was a wizard who landed a manaburn. Everyone killed her immediately out of fun because she got the kill shot and they didn't. all in fun.</div>

[Brailyn]

<div>Future expansions I would hope dealt with perhaps Rallos Zek returning to kill off Tunare and her Faydwer kin.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I want to do dragons this expansion. Kingdom of Sky.  Not Kingdom of Sky II</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Tunare and Rallos Zek have nothing against each other. Besides good and evil, War and Nature have nothing against each other though.</div>

[NocteBla]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Tunare and Rallos Zek have nothing against each other. Besides good and evil, War and Nature have nothing against each other though.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Uhhh... have you SEEN Zek? Let's not forget what it used to be. If I were Tunare, I'd be right [Removed for Content].</p><p>Rallos probably sees her mothering nature (pun intended) as weak, and not worthy of existence.</p><p> </p><p>I'd argue that they're quite "against each other."</p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>I've killed him many times.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Just because he's the god of war doesn't automatically mean that he's out to destroy the environment and nature.</div>

[Ktok]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>I've killed him many times.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Just because he's the god of war doesn't automatically mean that he's out to destroy the environment and nature.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Nope. Just all mortals because we were a threat to his fellow gods. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As for Zek, that's the Orcs' doing. They need wood for their citadel and their war machine... much of which, by the way, is shipped off the Rujark in Ro.</p><p>The god that really had it in for nature and Tunare was Sol Ro. He's the one who got all bitter about how well her Elves were doing and turned the Eldar Forest into the Desert of Ro. Neither Sol Ro nor Rallos, however, are "evil". They simply believe that solving problems is best done with force. Sol Ro being more inclined to blow it up (the crystal in his castle in EQ1 was taken to Luclin when the Nexus stopped working, and is believed to be what was later detonated to fracture the moon. It had originally been intended to be detonated on Norrath, wiping out all mortals and leaving the world for dragons and their kin) and Rallos being more inclined to send a great big army of big brutes to stomp the problem into the dirt.</p><p>Of course, let's also not forget that Tunare was one of the gods who helped to ruin Kunark when the old empire was failing. She didn't care much for life or nature then. Lumping any god into "good" or "evil" is very hard, because their motivations and methods are, well, not of this world.</p>

[TaleraRis]

<span><blockquote><hr>Brailyn wrote:<div>Thank you for the reply, however I would like to go a little further...</div><div> </div><div>Of all the dragons we know about (key phrase)... why is Talendor and Gorenaire invloved so high in the Awakened? Harla`Dar? Pantrilla from Western Wastes? Why not the Dragons that guarded TOV with Sontalak? I am hoping to see some VERY familiar dragons in Deathtoll because of this. Where'd the Veeshan's Peak dragons go? And what about the Sleeper's Tomb Key Dragons? Keeper, Klan, Zlan, Yelinak, Sontalak....</div><div> </div><div>And of ANY Ntov dragon to  have... Vyemm? Yeah he was a hard fight, many avoided for knockback... but...</div><div> </div><div>Vulak`Aerr...I mean, no reason to go through the beastiary, but you get the idea. Please let Deathtoll have some dragons that meant something specific and special in EQ1, if you have to use dragons from EQ1.</div><div> </div><div>Just some random thoughts, and I could go REALLY deep into lore, and stuff, but what is the take on the specific dragons used? Dartboard method? I am a dragon nut fanatic, but some of these choices make me wonder. </div><div> </div><div>Speaking of which!!  /misses TD dragon fish for druid epic Faydedar (sp)</div><hr></blockquote>Consider this. If the dragon citadels were attacked, who would be the first likely targets? Or it's possible they said screw the place and left the lesser dragons to rise up to power.</span><div></div>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Brailyn wrote:<div>Thank you for the reply, however I would like to go a little further...</div><div> </div><div>Of all the dragons we know about (key phrase)... why is Talendor and Gorenaire invloved so high in the Awakened? Harla`Dar? Pantrilla from Western Wastes? Why not the Dragons that guarded TOV with Sontalak? I am hoping to see some VERY familiar dragons in Deathtoll because of this. Where'd the Veeshan's Peak dragons go? And what about the Sleeper's Tomb Key Dragons? Keeper, Klan, Zlan, Yelinak, Sontalak....</div><div> </div><div>And of ANY Ntov dragon to  have... Vyemm? Yeah he was a hard fight, many avoided for knockback... but...</div><div> </div><div>Vulak`Aerr...I mean, no reason to go through the beastiary, but you get the idea. Please let Deathtoll have some dragons that meant something specific and special in EQ1, if you have to use dragons from EQ1.</div><div> </div><div>Just some random thoughts, and I could go REALLY deep into lore, and stuff, but what is the take on the specific dragons used? Dartboard method? I am a dragon nut fanatic, but some of these choices make me wonder. </div><div> </div><div>Speaking of which!!  /misses TD dragon fish for druid epic Faydedar (sp)</div><hr></blockquote><p>Isnt Deathtoll the dragon necropolis? Then why would these very important dragons be wandering in a graveyard?</p><p>Why would the bigshot dragons be released so early on in the game? Its only the second expansion.</p><p>Btw Lord Yelinak is dead.</p>

[MoD1133]

<div>There could still be a Skyshrine with Myga being the new Queen of it because she was related to yelinak.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>MoD1133 wrote:<p>Isnt Deathtoll the dragon necropolis? Then why would these very important dragons be wandering in a graveyard?</p><p>Why would the bigshot dragons be released so early on in the game? Its only the second expansion.</p><p>Btw Lord Yelinak is dead.</p><hr></blockquote>Deathtoll is A dragon necropolis, not THE dragon necropolis.

[Brailyn]

<div></div><p>Well,</p><p> </p><p>Vulak`Aerr should be in the game.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Uumuuanu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>MoD1133 wrote:<p>Isnt Deathtoll the dragon necropolis? Then why would these very important dragons be wandering in a graveyard?</p><p>Why would the bigshot dragons be released so early on in the game? Its only the second expansion.</p><p>Btw Lord Yelinak is dead.</p><hr></blockquote>Deathtoll is A dragon necropolis, not THE dragon necropolis.<hr></blockquote><p>Very good point.   THE dragon necropolis in EQ1 was one of many if I remember right, it was the chosen one of the ring of scale if I remember right.  The fact is that dragons are scattered throughout KOS, dead and alive.</p><p>Besides the fact that a ~bigshot~ was introduced into the game at the beginning.  Nagafen is level 100, if thats not big, I am not sure what is big.  That would give us at least 4 more expansions before anyone even has a HOPE in defeating him, which at current rate would push that out 2 years.</p>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Uumuuanu wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>MoD1133 wrote:<p>Isnt Deathtoll the dragon necropolis? Then why would these very important dragons be wandering in a graveyard?</p><p>Why would the bigshot dragons be released so early on in the game? Its only the second expansion.</p><p>Btw Lord Yelinak is dead.</p><hr></blockquote>Deathtoll is A dragon necropolis, not THE dragon necropolis.<hr></blockquote><p>Very good point.   THE dragon necropolis in EQ1 was one of many if I remember right, it was the chosen one of the ring of scale if I remember right.  The fact is that dragons are scattered throughout KOS, dead and alive.</p><p>Besides the fact that a ~bigshot~ was introduced into the game at the beginning.  Nagafen is level 100, if thats not big, I am not sure what is big.  That would give us at least 4 more expansions before anyone even has a HOPE in defeating him, which at current rate would push that out 2 years.</p><hr></blockquote>Bigshot meaning all the dragons that were very important in the ranks of CoV and RoS, lore has ntohing to do with levels of the mobs.

[dalaorn_eq2]

Even though Sol Ro isn't truly "evil" I still didn't understand why elves (wizards and I think one other class) were permitted to worship him in EQ1.  You'd think the elves, as a whole race, would kind of hold enough of a grudge that <i>they</i> would consider him evil.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Solusek Ro is neutral-neutral-evil.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>He's only evil because he takes advantage of any opportunity to gain power. He just enjoys it when wanton destruction is involved.</div>

[lucid_dream]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Brailyn wrote:<div>And what about the Sleeper's Tomb Key Dragons? Keeper, Klan, Zlan, Yelinak, Sontalak....</div><hr></blockquote><p>The Sleeper's Tomb key dragons were *against* Kerafyrm, ie: they were the ones responsible (at least in part) for his capture and his confinement. Therefore they are not likely to be members of the Awakened (the followers of Kerafyrm). KoS is all about the Awakened. The dragons you mentioned are highly unlikely to be followers of Kerafyrm and so are therefore pretty unlikely to appear in KoS.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

The Dragon Necropolis zone in EQLive was mainly for Claws of Veeshan dragons, not Ring of Scale. It was located in Western Wastes.As far as I know, the cloest Ring of Scale dragons had to a necropolis was Skyfire mountains on Kunark, at the base of Veeshan's Peak. (as a cleric I got to know that zone VERY well).Western Wastes also served as a rookery of sorts for CoV dragons, though the main nest for dragonkind was apparantly in northern Antonica.Oh and not sure how valid it is Lorewise (in either game) but in EQLive now you can do a mission where you and your group are 6 of the dragons who helped get the Sleeper into his tomb and get the waders in place and such. (I haven't done the mission yet myself but I've heard a lot about it)<div></div>

[vikingthug]

<div><blockquote><hr>MoD1133 wrote:<p>Isnt Deathtoll the dragon necropolis? Then why would these very important dragons be wandering in a graveyard?</p><p>Why would the bigshot dragons be released so early on in the game? Its only the second expansion.</p><p>Btw Lord Yelinak is dead.</p><hr></blockquote>Deathtoll is A dragon necropolis, not THE dragon necropolis</div><div> </div><div>    I may be wrong, but I havent seen antoher Nercropolis other then Dethtoll.  So, untill they show us another one, or illude to the fact that there is another one, for all intent and purposes it is The Dragon Necropolis.  Besides, there arent that many dragons to warrent a second or a third and so on and so fourth. </div><div>    Final though, we can speculate all we want, but face it, the game devs and such never give us a straight answer even if were right on the money.</div>

[Dreadfie]

There was the Claws of Veeshan's graveyard in Velious, the Dragon Necropolis located in the Western Wastes.I don't see a lore issue with there being more than one dragon necropolis considering the EQ1 dragon factions and their geographical seperation from one another. Skyfire Mountains even had a small boneyard full of dragon bones that could be said to be a RoS necropolis of sorts. The CoW had there's. The RoS had one of sorts. And the Awakened apparently has their own.<div></div>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dreadfiend wrote:There was the Claws of Veeshan's graveyard in Velious, the Dragon Necropolis located in the Western Wastes.I don't see a lore issue with there being more than one dragon necropolis considering the EQ1 dragon factions and their geographical seperation from one another. Skyfire Mountains even had a small boneyard full of dragon bones that could be said to be a RoS necropolis of sorts. The CoW had there's. The RoS had one of sorts. And the Awakened apparently has their own.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I think the RoS and the CoV had only one necropolis which they shared because Jaled Dar the founder and former leader of  theRoS had his belongings and what was left of him brought to his tomb in the dragon necropolis in Velious.<p>Message Edited by MoD1133 on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:28 AM</span></p>