The Sage of Ages + Deception

[Zoren Northwood]

A few questions from someone who didn't play EQL...1) Who is the Truthbringer?  Darathar?2) Why do the Permafrost tomes written by the Sage of Ages (ie Darathar) assert that Nagafen and Vox produced the dragon that destroyed Luclin? (<span class="postbody">"But even now, in the Age of Destiny, the Exiled Ones still wish to cause havok and destruction. For when they broke the first Law, they had a blatant disregard for what they were doing. And now, it is seen that they have broken the Law again. The cost of the first Law being broken was the moon in the sky. Look to it and know the truth. The two of Fire and Ice brought this destruction and must be stopped.&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />3) If it was Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, why did he do so?4) In EQL, how did the major dragons in the original EQ2 release (Nagafen, Vox, Venekor, and Darathar) relate to the dragons in KoS (Harla'Dar, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax, etc.)?5) What exactly is the Harness?6) Can someone refresh my memory on the lore of the Fire & Ice + Deception quests?Thanks!</span><div></div>

[Arthais]

<div></div><div>some have suggested that the initial explosion of the moon was not a result of Kerafym but rather a second prismatic being hatched below the surface.</div><div> </div><div>Of note also, in EQL, the only dragons there that you menioned being in EQ2 release where naggy and vox.</div><div> </div><div>Darathar and Venekor were not in EQ1</div><p>Message Edited by Arthais_CR on <span class="date_text">03-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:01 PM</span></p>

[Krien the Wick]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Zoren Northwood wrote:A few questions from someone who didn't play EQL...1) Who is the Truthbringer?  Darathar?</p><p><font color="#cc0000">Darathar was not in EQ1, he is solely in EQ2. Any answers about him will be from EQ2, and I think yes, he is the truthbringer in EQ2.</font>2) Why do the Permafrost tomes written by the Sage of Ages (ie Darathar) assert that Nagafen and Vox produced the dragon that destroyed Luclin? (<span class="postbody">"But even now, in the Age of Destiny, the Exiled Ones still wish to cause havok and destruction. For when they broke the first Law, they had a blatant disregard for what they were doing. And now, it is seen that they have broken the Law again. The cost of the first Law being broken was the moon in the sky. Look to it and know the truth. The two of Fire and Ice brought this destruction and must be stopped.&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">Naggy and Vox were not the parents of kerafyrm. They did, however, want to mate, but were exiled and seperated because of the possibility of a prismatic dragon.</font>3) If it was Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, why did he do so?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">No one knows, and it's even debated if it was even him.</font>4) In EQL, how did the major dragons in the original EQ2 release (Nagafen, Vox, Venekor, and Darathar) relate to the dragons in KoS (Harla'Dar, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax, etc.)?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">I'm going to answer this as best as I can using my experience of playing through the expansions in EQ1, EQ2. There were a few Dragon factions in EQ1. Claws of Veeshan(Velious Dragons), Ring of Scale(Kunark Dragons), Naggy and Vox (no factions). Naggy and VOx were banished by Claws of Veeshan for wanting to mate, making a second prismatic dragon. They were the first end boss mobs of EQ1, until the planes came out, they were the only raid mobs to kill. Darathar was not in EQ1 at all. Harla'Dar was in Western Wastes, in Velious. Vyemm was one of the final dragons in North Temple of Veeshan in Velious. Tarinax, by that name at least, was not in EQ1. There were undead and disease dragons, Trakanon and Zlandicar come to mind. Venekor I don't recall seeing in EQ1. Now, with all that aside, Harla'DAr and Vyemm were partially responsible for banishing Naggy and Vox originally, so Naggy will be mad at them for that. When kerafyrm was released, Naggy and Vox shouted that they were finally going to be free, as Kerafyrm killed many dragons on Claws of Veeshan faction.  I can't find the script right now, and mine is lost from a hard drive crash, but I don't recall Harla'Dar and Vyemm being slain. </font>5) What exactly is the Harness?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">This I can't answer, I don't recall it being in EQ1. </font>6) Can someone refresh my memory on the lore of the Fire & Ice + Deception quests?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">I'll let someone else do this, as I still haven't finished it - I hate the run to naggy~</font>Thanks!</p></span><div></div><hr></blockquote>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Krien the Wicked wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Zoren Northwood wrote:A few questions from someone who didn't play EQL...1) Who is the Truthbringer?  Darathar?</p><p><font color="#cc0000">Darathar was not in EQ1, he is solely in EQ2. Any answers about him will be from EQ2, and I think yes, he is the truthbringer in EQ2.</font>2) Why do the Permafrost tomes written by the Sage of Ages (ie Darathar) assert that Nagafen and Vox produced the dragon that destroyed Luclin? (<span class="postbody">"But even now, in the Age of Destiny, the Exiled Ones still wish to cause havok and destruction. For when they broke the first Law, they had a blatant disregard for what they were doing. And now, it is seen that they have broken the Law again. The cost of the first Law being broken was the moon in the sky. Look to it and know the truth. The two of Fire and Ice brought this destruction and must be stopped.&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">Naggy and Vox were not the parents of kerafyrm. They did, however, want to mate, but were exiled and seperated because of the possibility of a prismatic dragon.</font>3) If it was Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, why did he do so?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">No one knows, and it's even debated if it was even him.</font>4) In EQL, how did the major dragons in the original EQ2 release (Nagafen, Vox, Venekor, and Darathar) relate to the dragons in KoS (Harla'Dar, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax, etc.)?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">I'm going to answer this as best as I can using my experience of playing through the expansions in EQ1, EQ2. There were a few Dragon factions in EQ1. Claws of Veeshan(Velious Dragons), Ring of Scale(Kunark Dragons), Naggy and Vox (no factions). Naggy and VOx were banished by Claws of Veeshan for wanting to mate, making a second prismatic dragon. They were the first end boss mobs of EQ1, until the planes came out, they were the only raid mobs to kill. Darathar was not in EQ1 at all. Harla'Dar was in Western Wastes, in Velious. Vyemm was one of the final dragons in North Temple of Veeshan in Velious. Tarinax, by that name at least, was not in EQ1. There were undead and disease dragons, Trakanon and Zlandicar come to mind. Venekor I don't recall seeing in EQ1. Now, with all that aside, Harla'DAr and Vyemm were partially responsible for banishing Naggy and Vox originally, so Naggy will be mad at them for that. When kerafyrm was released, Naggy and Vox shouted that they were finally going to be free, as Kerafyrm killed many dragons on Claws of Veeshan faction.  I can't find the script right now, and mine is lost from a hard drive crash, but I don't recall Harla'Dar and Vyemm being slain. </font>5) What exactly is the Harness?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">This I can't answer, I don't recall it being in EQ1. </font>6) Can someone refresh my memory on the lore of the Fire & Ice + Deception quests?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">I'll let someone else do this, as I still haven't finished it - I hate the run to naggy~</font>Thanks!</p></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><hr></blockquote><p>Naggy and Vox were not imprisoned by the Claws of Veeshan they were Imprisoned by the Ring of Scale.</p><p>Naggy did say that the claws and ring are doomed and that vox and him would be together very soon, but i guess its probably because the dragons that trapped naggy and vox inside permafrost and SE would most likely die by Kerafyrm and the wards that sealed there prisons would be broken, just like Kerafyrm when the 4 warders died.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>I don't remember anything at any point about Vox and Naggy being forced to live where they do because they were physically being held by magic. Not once.</div>

[Duhulk]

<div>There was a silly bit of lore in EQ1 about how Nagafen got trapped in his cave because he had grown too fat eating virgin hearts or something...</div><div>...I don't think anyone takes it seriously though =p</div>

[Duhulk]

<div></div><p></p><hr><p>1) Who is the Truthbringer?  Darathar?2) Why do the Permafrost tomes written by the Sage of Ages (ie Darathar) assert that Nagafen and Vox produced the dragon that destroyed Luclin? (<span class="postbody">"But even now, in the Age of Destiny, the Exiled Ones still wish to cause havok and destruction. For when they broke the first Law, they had a blatant disregard for what they were doing. And now, it is seen that they have broken the Law again. The cost of the first Law being broken was the moon in the sky. Look to it and know the truth. The two of Fire and Ice brought this destruction and must be stopped."<img border="0" height="16" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" width="16">3) If it was Kerafyrm who destroyed Luclin, why did he do so?4) In EQL, how did the major dragons in the original EQ2 release (Nagafen, Vox, Venekor, and Darathar) relate to the dragons in KoS (Harla'Dar, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax, etc.)?5) What exactly is the Harness?6) Can someone refresh my memory on the lore of the Fire & Ice + Deception quests?</p><p></p><hr><p>1) Yes</p><p>2) Either it was deliberate that these were written this way by development, thusly Darathar is either mistaken or lying. Or, it was a mistake by development. Either way, despite what Darathar writes, we know, to a pretty strong degree of certainty, that this isn't the case.</p><p>3) If he did, it was likely because something on Luclin was threatening Norrath. My best guess is they were gong to use Dresolik as the lens for a death ray or something =p.</p><p>4) Nagafen and Vox were imprisoned by the Ring of Scale for trying to make. After their prisons were broken by the Rending, they did the deed. Darathar then attempte to kill both with his Drakota hoardes. He succeeded in killing Vox. However, Nagafen is getting some kind of immense "borrowed" power from something and was not killed.</p><p>Venekor is a member of The Awakened who took control of the Temple of CT.</p><p>Darathar, it's hard to say. I would have assumed he was one of the Awakened as well, but there was a bit of lore during Deathtoll access where an NPC refers to my actions against Darathar as "working against the Ring" or something like that. Perhaps it was just a reference to his old alligience, but it's hard to say.</p><p>Harla'Dar was a member of the Claws of Veeshan and hung out in WW. After the death of her mate, Jaled'Dar and the loss of her son Fraka at the tummy of Zlandicar, she went into despari and was saved by Kerafyrm. Talendor and Gorenair were simply members of the Ring of Scale. Lord Vyemm was a member of the Claws of Veeshan. He was being punished in the depths of ToV. I'm not quite sure why though.</p><p>Tarinax is a bit of a mystery. All I know about him at this point is that he was a dragon from a Cell Phone Game and had some plot related to creating a prismatic dragon or something.</p><p> </p><p>5) The device by which the dragons control the Drakota. I'm not sure if it is still intact though.</p><p>6) Bleh, too much work =p</p></span>

[MoD1133]

<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>I don't remember anything at any point about Vox and Naggy being forced to live where they do because they were physically being held by magic. Not once.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Ok? well you dont.</p>

[Jindrack]

<div></div><p>Here is a little clarification on the Harness.  Typically we don't like to step in and give definitive answers in the forums because it stifles and ends very interesting debates among the players and because sometimes it is just more fun not to actually give the answers but give bits and pieces of evidence and let players draw conclusions to what all those pieces of lore mean.  Dragon lore is especially something that should be cryptic and enigmatic, so I'll refrain from commenting on the other questions.</p><p>Anyway, the Harness.  The Harness wasn't touched on as much as I wanted during the Prismatic quests so I'll clear things up a bit here.  The Harness isn't a tangible object but a unique arcane endowment of power given by the Ring of Scale to one of their agents to control and use the Drakota.  The Drakota are bound to the agent and are controlled through force of will.  Darathar was the last known wielder of the Harness, but he certainly wasn't the first.  What has happened to it since the events that led up to Darathar's defeat?  That is an answer left to adventurers to discover. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ama]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jindrack wrote:<div></div><p>Here is a little clarification on the Harness.  Typically we don't like to step in and give definitive answers in the forums because it stifles and ends very interesting debates among the players and because sometimes it is just more fun not to actually give the answers but give bits and pieces of evidence and let players draw conclusions to what all those pieces of lore mean.  Dragon lore is especially something that should be cryptic and enigmatic, so I'll refrain from commenting on the other questions.</p><p>Anyway, the Harness.  The Harness wasn't touched on as much as I wanted during the Prismatic quests so I'll clear things up a bit here.  The Harness isn't a tangible object but a unique arcane endowment of power given by the Ring of Scale to one of their agents to control and use the Drakota.  The Drakota are bound to the agent and are controlled through force of will.  Darathar was the last known wielder of the Harness, but he certainly wasn't the first.  What has happened to it since the events that led up to Darathar's defeat?  That is an answer left to adventurers to discover. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't think you have spoiled anything at all but have only added a layer of mystery to the equation.  I actually have 2 pictures of when I did the fire/ice quest and found some interesting tid bits.  For those who did the actual boat ride when you began as a newbie before the new stuff was added you were saved by a captain.  This is very intrigueing because Darathar says something quite memorable when he approaches the glowing oval "I am so glad that I saved you when I found you." *not exact quoting but will get it*. </p><p>This actually opened up into the debate about dragons being able to transform into humanoid/human figures at will as well has how did they get this power.</p><p>Also if you advance a bit in the To Speak As A dragon quest it talks about the "Sleeper or the awakened" destroying something.  This I believe maybe why the moon of Luclin was destroyed.   The sleeper or awakened is speculated to be kerafymn.  I will dig up the information later on and post up what I have locked away in my screenshots <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .  </p>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Krien the Wicked wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p></p><p><span class="postbody">4) In EQL, how did the major dragons in the original EQ2 release (Nagafen, Vox, Venekor, and Darathar) relate to the dragons in KoS (Harla'Dar, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax, etc.)?</span></p><p><span class="postbody"><font color="#cc0000">I'm going to answer this as best as I can using my experience of playing through the expansions in EQ1, EQ2. There were a few Dragon factions in EQ1. Claws of Veeshan(Velious Dragons), Ring of Scale(Kunark Dragons), Naggy and Vox (no factions). Naggy and VOx were banished by Claws of Veeshan for wanting to mate, making a second prismatic dragon. They were the first end boss mobs of EQ1, until the planes came out, they were the only raid mobs to kill. Darathar was not in EQ1 at all. Harla'Dar was in Western Wastes, in Velious. Vyemm was one of the final dragons in North Temple of Veeshan in Velious. Tarinax, by that name at least, was not in EQ1. There were undead and disease dragons, Trakanon and Zlandicar come to mind. Venekor I don't recall seeing in EQ1. Now, with all that aside, Harla'DAr and Vyemm were partially responsible for banishing Naggy and Vox originally, so Naggy will be mad at them for that. When kerafyrm was released, Naggy and Vox shouted that they were finally going to be free, as Kerafyrm killed many dragons on Claws of Veeshan faction.  I can't find the script right now, and mine is lost from a hard drive crash, but I don't recall Harla'Dar and Vyemm being slain. </font></span></p><hr></blockquote><hr></blockquote>Lore behind Tarinax was in EQ1.  His soul was bound to ... that place that currently slips my mind.  When it was destroyed his soul was released.  And it ended up in the OOLS.  And we freed him so we could one day raid him.

[Cusashorn]

<div>I had never heard of a Tarinax before EQ2 and the quests relating to the Obilisk of Lost Souls said his name.</div>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div>Then which dragon spirit was bound to ... drago something or other?

[NocteBla]

<div></div><p>Dragon Necropolis?</p><p>That's Jaled Dar's spirit.</p>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><div></div><p>Ah bleh.  I need sleep.</p><p>But I do remember seeing the name Tarinax in EQL.</p><p>Message Edited by Nainitsuj on <span class="date_text">03-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:11 PM</span></p>

[NocteBla]

<blockquote><p> </p></blockquote><p>You sure you're not thinking of King Tormax? That's kinda close.</p><p>After all...</p><p> </p><blockquote><hr>Nainitsuj wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Ah bleh.  I need sleep.</p><hr></blockquote><p><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Duhulk]

<div></div><p>Or King Tranix</p>

[sorinev]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Zoren Northwood wrote:<span class="postbody">6) Can someone refresh my memory on the lore of the Fire & Ice + Deception quests?</span><hr></blockquote>Someone will be able to do this much better than me, but I will take a stab at it. And on that subject, I could have sworn that someone mentioned that someone else wrote all the dialogue to these quests and put it up on some site. But I can't find it, so oh well. From memory, and half of it is going to be crap:It basically boils down to this. First of all, Nagafen has no idea who this Sage of Ages is. Nagafen is older than dirt and he's never heard of such a creature, so as far as he is concerned it's just some random idiot. Now, him and Vox did the dragon equivalent of the birds and the bees and produced an egg (when, I have no idea. How long has Vox been dead? Dragon eggs don't take centuries to hatch do they?). He also gets really really mad and threatens to kill you when you don't refer to Vox as Lady Vox, and with respect. So anyways, I don't remember this next part very well, but I think he is unsure of where the egg is, but thinks that Vox knows? He not only wants the egg back, but wants his beloved Vox brought back to life so that he can be with her again. So he sends you off to collect the shards of her spirit which are being held by some disloyal and murderous drakotas. These spirit shards, along with a ritual, will allow you to not only resurrect Lady Vox from death, but you'll be able to ask her where the egg is too, and get it to bring back to Nagafen. You go back and tell the Sage of Ages that Nagafen wants you to do this, but he says its a bad, bad idea. He says that Vox and Nagafen are of differing elements, and the union of dragons of differing elements creates a prismatic dragon, which apparently is supremely powerful. Powerful enough that the Sage of Ages says such a dragon is what destroyed the moon. So allowing this egg to get back to Nagafen and hatch is a bad idea, because this will be his offspring which he will be able to control and do unthinkable things with. But, he says to go do it anyways; to continue with Nagafen's plan for the time being.So you go kill the drakotas, recover the shards, and head to her crypt in Permafrost to ressurect her. Either something goes wrong, or you are simply too weak, or it's just not possible (I don't remember which), but you are only able to resurrect Vox temporarily, not permanently. But it is long enough for her to tell you that she does not have the egg, that the king of the ice giants, Drayek, took the egg. So you go confront Drayek and kill him, only to have the Sage of Ages come steal the egg. Now, I don't remember if it is now, or after you return to Nagafen, but more or less at this point you learn the Sage of Ages isn't some random human, he is actually the dragon known as Darathar, who controlled the drakotas which killed Lady Vox. Darathar duped you into getting the egg for himself, rather than Nagafen. You were used.So you head back to Nagafen, but he thankfully doesn't kill you on the spot. He says that you will have to go and confront Darathar to get the egg back. But he is in a place that only his drakota lieutenants can reach. To get there yourself, you will need five translocation rings. One of them, he already has, and gives it to you. You will need to go recover the other 4 rings from Darathar's 4 lieutenants. As it turns out, only three are in drakota possession. The fourth is being held by the orcs in Deathfist Citadel, as they killed the drakota that held it and took it. So eventually you collect all five rings and use them to teleport to where Darathar is hiding, which happens to be the Isle of Refuge. You confront Darathar and kill him. But in the fight, the prismatic egg he was guarding is broken.Why you would return to Nagafen at this point if this were real is beyond me, but anyways, you return to Nagafen. Miraculously, he does not kill you. Instead he laughs at you after you tell him the egg shattered during the fight. You were used. Again. But this time by Nagafen himself. He tells you that in truth, he has a whole horde of these prismatic eggs and they are tucked safely away. He only wanted to make sure that the missing egg was dealt with. Either it is his, or it is no ones. He would have prefered to have it returned safely intact, but it doesn't matter in the end, as he has a whole bunch more. You ask for your reward and he says no, since you failed to both resurrect Lady Vox and recover the egg. He lets you keep the broken prismatic egg shards as a "gift from the Red Lord."</span></div>

[Lesca]

<div></div>With regard to the harness, if you complete the Roekillick world event quest series, some light is shed on what this is. I think it refers to the same thing, at least.

[Krien the Wick]

<div>Jaled'dars shade was stuck there, and Zlandicar (I think) was there because he ate dragon corpses. If I recall correctly Jaled'dar was set free during the sleeper script - which is why he gave you the key to sleeper's tomb, to release him from his torment. Or did he want revenge on the dragons for sending him to his death? I can't remember exactly, was so long ago. However, how did he go from a shade/ghost to a physical undead form?</div>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Krien the Wicked wrote:<div>Jaled'dars shade was stuck there, and Zlandicar (I think) was there because he ate dragon corpses. If I recall correctly Jaled'dar was set free during the sleeper script - which is why he gave you the key to sleeper's tomb, to release him from his torment. Or did he want revenge on the dragons for sending him to his death? I can't remember exactly, was so long ago. <font color="#0000ff">However, how did he go from a shade/ghost to a physical undead form?</font></div><hr></blockquote><p>Yes Jaled Dar's Shade had wanted revenge on Trakanon by awakening kerafym.</p><p><font color="#0000ff">Jaled Dar went from a shade to a physical form? Where did you get this?</font></p>

[Arthais]

<div></div><p>revenge on TRAKANON?</p><p> </p><p>no no...trakanon was busy dozing in his crypt down on kunark.  jaled'dar wanted revenge on the dragon leader, Yelinak</p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Then who was the dragon who's corpse now litters the Field of Bone in EQlive? I thought that was Jaled'Dar's, and Trakanon wouldn't let him rest in piece because his corpse is seperated from his spirit?</div>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Arthais_CR wrote:<div></div><p>revenge on TRAKANON?</p><p> </p><p>no no...trakanon was busy dozing in his crypt down on kunark.  jaled'dar wanted revenge on the dragon leader, Yelinak</p><hr></blockquote><div>Yelinak was not resposible for Jaled Dars death, it was Trakanon who Jaled Dar believed had betrayed him, which is why in one of Jaled Dar's shades chat text he says "Trakanon my friend you have betrayed me". Why would Jaled Dar want revenge on Lord Yelinak? Yelinak wasn't responsible for Jaled Dars death, Jaled Dar became a Shade when his spirit could not rest and he believed he was some how betrayed and it drove him mad and he wanted revenge and believed that  the sleeper would cause destruction in the world.</div><div> </div><div>Just because Trakanon was dozing around in his crypt doesn't mean Trakanon didnt do anything, it doesn't mean Trakanon did not have a history or lore behind him, Yelinak was no longer the king of the dragons because many of the dragons left Skyshrine, and all Yelinak was left with was a bunch of drakes and wyverns still hanging around, but i do believe Yelinak might have been a member of the Elder Council.</div><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by MoD1133 on <span class="date_text">03-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:07 PM</span></p>

[Arthais]

<div></div><p>From the impression I got, the original schizm between the dragons, that lead to the ring of scale being formed on Kunark in the first place, had to do with a split in regards to the Sleeper.  The lead dragon who was responsible for imprisoning him was Yelinak.</p><p>If you read the lore text Jaled'Dar suggests that releasing him would bring about the result they were hoping for in the first place.  moreover when he is awoken, he makes a beeline for skyshrine and kills...Yelinak.  Getting revenge on Trakanon doesn't seem to make much sense, since Trakanon doesn't seem to be affected by it greatly one way or another, but Yelinak is the one that bites it.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Yelinak was one of the dragons who decided that Kerafyrm had to be subdued.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><hr></div><div>You say, 'Hail, Jaled Dar`s shade'Jaled Dar`s shade says 'Mortal! You MUST aid me. I will have my revenge, and my rest!'You say, 'How can I aid you?'Jaled Dar`s shade says 'You must wake The Sleeper. He is our salvation, he will restore a new golden age to Norrath. It was a terrible mistake to subdue him, jealousy and envy led us to do it. I see all of this clearly now.'You say, 'Who is The Sleeper?'Jaled Dar`s shade says 'Kerafyrm, the best of us, what we should be. We imprisoned him in a timeless slumber aeons ago. I know how to release him, but I am no longer of the flesh, so I cannot do it myself. But you can accomplish this task!'You say, 'What task?'Jaled Dar`s shade says 'When the tomb was closed and the entry sealed, many dragons participated in the ceremony. They invested portions of their essence into the seal. The seal is part of them now. With the right talismans, I can show you how to make a key that will allow one to pass, as if they were of the First Brood. If you do not wish to do this for the good of all, perhaps you will be willing to do it for material riches. Priceless treasures are stored in the tomb, yours for the taking, once you are inside and have released The Sleeper.'You say, 'What talismans?'Jaled Dar`s shade says 'Sontalak, Lendiniara, Klandicar, Yelinak, and Zlandicar are all that are left alive of those who were involved in the sealing of the tomb. Each has a talisman. Bring me any one of these items, or a large enough piece from one of the talismans from a dead first brood, and I shall unlock its power, which will allow you entry into the tomb.'<i>You'll need to give him either a talisman from any of the five dragons of the first brood mentioned or a Shard of Hsagra's Talisman, which is dropped uncommonly from top giants (King Tormax, Derakor the Vindicator, The Statue of Rallos Zek, Velketor the Sorcerer).</i>Jaled Dar`s shade says 'Very well done. Here is how you unlock the entry. Seek out a great dragon statue in the Eastern Wastes, and use this key there. Not very different from how you entered my old domain, Veeshan's Peak, now, is it? Haha, yes, I know many things, even dead.'<hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Killing Jaled Dar's Shade is the only known way to raise faction with Trakanon.</div>

[Arthais]

<div>even though many of the first brood PARTICIPATED, they were all ruled, if I am not mistaken, by Yelinak.  And as I said, once the sleepers is awoken, he flies off and kills...Yelinak, not Trakanon.  How would releasing him get revenge on Trak?</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><p>As I just mentioned, Killing Jaled Dar's Shade is the only way to RAISE Trakanon's faction, meaning you're doing Trak a favor by killing Jaled Dar's Shade.</p><p> </p><p>I don't know the connections, but he doesn't like Trakanon, and he doesn't have any connections to Yelinak.</p>

[NocteBla]

<div></div><p>Wasn't Jaled'Dar was the old leader of the Ring of Scale? Trakanon was formerly a member of the RoS. The Iksar on Kunark were rising to power (see that story elsewhere for full details) and Trakanon wanted to launch an attack on them. RoS said no, leave them be. Trakanon attacked them anyway, and was booted from the guild for ninja-looting, so he farms gems in Sebilis now.</p><p>I could see why there's some resentment, unless I'm confusing the dragons.</p>

[MoD1133]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Arthais_CR wrote:<div></div><p>From the impression I got, the original schizm between the dragons, that lead to the ring of scale being formed on Kunark in the first place, had to do with a split in regards to the Sleeper.  The lead dragon who was responsible for imprisoning him was Yelinak.</p><p>If you read the lore text Jaled'Dar suggests that releasing him would bring about the result they were hoping for in the first place.  moreover when he is awoken, he makes a beeline for skyshrine and kills...Yelinak.  Getting revenge on Trakanon doesn't seem to make much sense, since Trakanon doesn't seem to be affected by it greatly one way or another, but Yelinak is the one that bites it.</p><p></p><p></p><hr><p>The split in the dragon faction had nothing to do with the sleeper, because it had taken place way before the sleeper was even imprisoned. The split in the faction was due to some dragons wanting to control the newly created mortals in the world and some wanting to just let them be. The Ring of Scale were obviously the ones who wanted to control the second generation and the claws obviously just wanted them to leave the second generation alone, and that led to the split in the dragon factions which enraged Kildrukaun.</p><p>Yes Lord Yelinak was the main target of Kerafyrm but thats probably because Yelinak had a big hand in imprisoning him, but Jaled Dar believed Kerafyrm would some how cause destruction in the world, which would also harm Trakanon when Norrath would be destroyed and causing Jaled Dars mad Shade to finally be in peace.</p><p></p></blockquote>

[lucid_dream]

<div></div><p>The curious thing to me, is how dragons from the two different factions in EQ1 are now united. So can we assume that the Ring of Scale and Claws of Veeshan factions no longer exist? Or that several dragons from those factions re-aligned themselves with Kerafyrm? My guess is that RoS and CoV still exist out there somewhere. But some dragons decided to abandon their factions and create a new "religion" following Kerafyrm. They all seem a bit kooky, and are religous zealots basically.</p><p>Anyway, the dragons involved are (EQ1 factions and locations) -</p><p>Talendor - Ring of Scale (Skyfire)Gorenaire - Ring of Scale (Dreadlands)Lord Vyemm - Claws of Veeshan (ToV)Harla Dar - Claws of Veeshan (Western Wastes)</p><p>It seems they put their differences behind them and united to follow the Awakened.</p><p>The big question in all of this, is who the heck is Tarinax. Yes he is allegedly an undead dragon in Deathtoll. However, until KoS was released he was some orc general or something. There is an orc in Feerott who talks about Tarinax, and he is convinced he was an orc. Unless he is lying to us? But why would he? Orcs and Dragons historically don't seem to have much a history. Its a bit mysterious.</p>

[Vhalen]

<div></div>Tarinax has been discussed in other threads on this board. He has been around quite a long time. He has a history in the EverQuest universe. I know a couple of Antonican dragons that knew him quite well. As for what General Fandrak was up to, you would have to have an understanding of the diplomacy between the new orc empires. Is General Fandrak lying? Why would an orc need the soul of a dragon? Who has that soul now? 

[Themaginator]

are they in alliance with the The Awakened? the orcs seem to have some very odd alliances(court of tears)<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Themaginator wrote:are they in alliance with the The Awakened? the orcs seem to have some very odd alliances(court of tears)<div></div><hr></blockquote>The Rujarkian Orcs are always trying to take over Maj'Dul. Why wouldn't they team up with Dorn B'Dynn? They get to kill stuff and he gets to take over.

[Themaginator]

hmmm what quests has the lore for the tears court btw?<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>The only quest that relates to the Court of Tears is the Of Fate and Destiny quest.</div>

[Duhulk]

<div></div><p>During the KoS Claymore quest a dragon spirit of Aaryonar tells you that shortly before dying he watched a group of horned beings come from a tower that appeared out of thin air.</p><p>He later saw them drag a huge dragon back into the tower, and it then dissapeared.</p><p>Some of Aaryonar's other dialogue proves what I have longed conjectured, that The Awakened has the power to pull spirits out of Ethernere.</p><p>Some of the books you read in the Mark of the Awakened questline talk about a "mysterious dragon" that few in the cult know about. This dragon underwent terrible horrible things.</p><p>My synopsis is this. Tarinax was dragged by Obelisk denizens into one of their structures. There he, um...well he didn't have a good time. While I haven't sorted out the exact path his soul takes, I'm sure The Awakened played some role and has now placed what remains (/snicker) of Tarinax into Deathtoll to guard his treasure trove.</p>

[DreamerClou]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Duhulk wrote:<div></div><p>During the KoS Claymore quest a dragon spirit of Aaryonar tells you that shortly before dying he watched a group of horned beings come from a tower that appeared out of thin air.</p><p>He later saw them drag a huge dragon back into the tower, and it then dissapeared.</p><p>Some of Aaryonar's other dialogue proves what I have longed conjectured, that The Awakened has the power to pull spirits out of Ethernere.</p><p>Some of the books you read in the Mark of the Awakened questline talk about a "mysterious dragon" that few in the cult know about. This dragon underwent terrible horrible things.</p><p>My synopsis is this. Tarinax was dragged by Obelisk denizens into one of their structures. There he, um...well he didn't have a good time. While I haven't sorted out the exact path his soul takes, I'm sure The Awakened played some role and has now placed what remains (/snicker) of Tarinax into Deathtoll to guard his treasure trove.</p><hr></blockquote>Cool, thanks for this info Duhulk.  Its really interesting.  Post more when you get it!

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Duhulk wrote:<div></div><p>During the KoS Claymore quest a dragon spirit of Aaryonar tells you that shortly before dying he watched a group of horned beings come from a tower that appeared out of thin air.</p><p>He later saw them drag a huge dragon back into the tower, and it then dissapeared.</p><p>Some of Aaryonar's other dialogue proves what I have longed conjectured, that The Awakened has the power to pull spirits out of Ethernere.</p><p>Some of the books you read in the Mark of the Awakened questline talk about a "mysterious dragon" that few in the cult know about. This dragon underwent terrible horrible things.</p><p>My synopsis is this. Tarinax was dragged by Obelisk denizens into one of their structures. There he, um...well he didn't have a good time. While I haven't sorted out the exact path his soul takes, I'm sure The Awakened played some role and has now placed what remains (/snicker) of Tarinax into Deathtoll to guard his treasure trove.</p><hr></blockquote>This makes sense then. The obelisk appeared, dragged Tarniax down to there, where his soul was kept. The orcs were working with the awakened, and thus you recovered his spirit for them, and allowed him to be returned safely to the great dragon graveyard deathtoll, where he became "whole" again. Well, as whole as being dead can get you that is. Though, where exactly could you hide a big dragon in the obelisk to torture him?

[Krien the Wick]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>MoD1133 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Krien the Wicked wrote:<div>Jaled'dars shade was stuck there, and Zlandicar (I think) was there because he ate dragon corpses. If I recall correctly Jaled'dar was set free during the sleeper script - which is why he gave you the key to sleeper's tomb, to release him from his torment. Or did he want revenge on the dragons for sending him to his death? I can't remember exactly, was so long ago. <font color="#0000ff">However, how did he go from a shade/ghost to a physical undead form?</font></div><hr></blockquote><p>Yes Jaled Dar's Shade had wanted revenge on Trakanon by awakening kerafym.</p><p><font color="#0000ff">Jaled Dar went from a shade to a physical form? Where did you get this?</font></p><hr></blockquote><p>I was saying this because someone speculated tarinax was jaled'dar ^_^</p>