Have we heard anything from the Shissar or the Akheva since the cataclysm?

[Aelore]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>   I have to admit, the Shissar and their Temple was my favorite of the EQ lore prior to the cataclysm.  The way that they were connected to Kunark and then just progressing through the temple itself and how utterly neat the layout was, was totally thrilling and awe inspiring.I cannot believe that the Ssra mystics and the Emperor himself would not have forseen the destruction of Luclan....<div></div>....then, there's also the Akheva.....surely they didn't disappear entirely.    Now Grimlings....they may have been SOL <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Aelorean on <span class="date_text">03-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:17 PM</span></p>

[teddyboy4]

I often wonder what happened to these two too. I think Luclin probably opened up a portal and brought the Akheva into her plane, that's if they didn't figure a way to survive on thier own. The Akheva were pretty powerful in thier own right.And the Shissar, well out of all the former residents of Luclin they were the most likely to survive I think. With all they did to escape Norrath, I find it hard to believe they didn't have some kind of plan at the ready.

[Cusashorn]

<div>Both the Shissar and the Akhevans are extremely Xenophobic. ESPECIALLY the Shissar.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The only reason they created The Grey was to make sure no Greenmist could ever get to them again and to prevent outsides from getting to them.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>They think they're all gods. They think that nothing they ever do can hurt them. They realized that they went against Cazic Thule's will, and the Greenmist scared the living **** out of them. But other than that, they think that nothing can kill them.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Which is why they all stayed "safe and sound" in thier own temple, completely oblivious to whats going on outside, or whats going to happen.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The Akhevans are the same. Though not as Xenophobic as the Shissar, they had a civil war between the forces who beleived that it was heresy to learn any language other than thier own "Shadow Tongue", and those who believed that learning the common tongue of outsiders could be used to thier advantage.</div><div> </div><div>In the end, The Maiden's Eye was created after a giant big-*** mother ****ing storm called the Maiden's Scar ripped up the city of those who thought it was better to learn other languages.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>So in the end, The Akhevans stayed in Vex Thal. Nothing that could ever happen in the universe would ever have them leave or seek another place to live.</div>

[Xalmat]

Last I heard, they were on Luclin when it exploded. They were probably wiped out.

[vikingthug]

<div></div><div></div><p>    When you look up onto the sky at night, you can still clearly see the moon, albiet in a few giant pieces.  So, that being said, who knows whats still up there and what changes have occured.  Id like to see what happened to Griegs End.  The races who lived there were pretty stout to say the least.  If enough of the moon survived I wouldnt be suprised to find quite a bit more going on up there then most of us believe. </p><p>    A note a bit off from there, but Id like to see what remains of Karnors Castle..Now that place was a trip.  10 million trains served and counting. Not to mention that little mini davolrog that allways came running with the others...</p><p>Message Edited by vikingthug on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:19 AM</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>When a celestial body explodes, the atmosphere is immediatly ignited, scorching the entire surface and instantly killing everything.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I know I have no evidence to back that up, but if anything had survived up there, we'd be able to see it even from Norrath, and not just a grey, scorched surface.</div>

[vikingthug]

<div></div>    How exactly are you viewing the surface of the moon?  Got a gnomish telescope squirreled away somewhere?  Why is it that whenever someone mentions the moon, all you have is doubt and negativity.  Face it, we dont know whats on the moon now, or what "magical" forces may have been used to help those trapped there survive.  Its a fantasy realm, jubject to imagination, not subject to actual physics.  Dont be so quick to put down others ideas, after all, its what makes fantasy enjoyable.

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><div>Luclin is/was the worst expansion from the general player's point of view. The only reason they blew it up was to make sure we can't go back there as a cop-out resort for an expansion.</div><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:55 AM</span></p>

[vikingthug]

<div></div>    Again with your negativity.  Maybe to you it was the worst, but there are pleanty of folks out there who enjoyed it, and there is nothing to say that it wont be re-discovered at some point.  You may not be a fan of Luclin and all things related, but when it comes right down to it, we wont have the final say, the devs will.  And I for one will enjoy watching the naysayers eat crow when the time comes.

[ilucife]

<div></div>i always thought everything after scars of velious sucked (and i didnt care much for it) but thats just my opinon. i for one hope everything on that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] moon got scorched. not because im mean or anything, i just think its a dumb idea for an expansion, and i hate the idea of going back. im not freaking neil armstrong, im a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pirate.why is the d--- not allowed? jeez its not that bad<p>Message Edited by iluciferi on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:03 AM</span></p>

[vikingthug]

<div>Some people hated it, and some people loved it.  I for one had a blast there, exspecially in GE before the nerf.  Sancta Seru was also a blast.  I think the entire zone had a distinct flaver to it, even the gray, exspecially the first time I visited there and found out the hard way it was an airless void..Talk about being suprised.</div>

[SpiceBoi]

<div></div>Being a late comer to EQLive I missed out on when Luclin was 'the place to be'.  Vex Thal wasn't of much importance when I started playing, so I felt very lucky that I found a guild to help me get access, even tho EQ2 came out a month later & I never actually got to zone into VT.  LOL  That being shared, I'd love the chance to experience the Shissar & Akheva and enjoy it.  Not just a 'shard'/kill the Emp run.  I don't know much lore about the Akheva if anyone could share a link.  Oh, and about the Grimlings, good riddance :smileywink:

[vikingthug]

<div>Did you ever get a chance to go through GE?  That place was pretty darn cool..And it had a very creepy flaver to it.</div>

[SpiceBoi]

<div>The most I ever saw of GE was the run to that named who droped an orb for VT key & also had that killer +CHA face piece.  I hate that I didn't get to have all the fun in those zones :smileysad:  LDoN was where I played the most until OOW sucked us into the over lvl 65 grind.</div>

[Acinon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>SpiceBoi wrote:<div></div>Oh, and about the Grimlings, good riddance :smileywink:<hr></blockquote>I luffed those dudes!  They sounded like alien hamburglers.

[teddyboy4]

I too liked Luclin, and it wasn't the most hated expansion from the general players point of view. That noteriety could be said to have been given to ANY EQ expansion as the forums were just the vocal minority, and they yelled the loudest, everyone that liked it was playing the game not complaining. As far as I am concerned everything from Old World to PoP were EQLive's golden years and certainly the best lore and content came out of these years than any other. It was after Brad and his team left that things started getting wierd, OoW is really the first showing those guys had no hand in what-so-ever, and it shows. LoY and LDoN were in developement when those guys were on thier way out, and were really the last expansions I found any interest in. I'd think if any expansion is the most generally reviled it would be OoW, that's when I left and I havn't looked back. Although the last few expansions for EQ have kind of sparked by interest as the lore seems really good. It was one of the best dicisions they could have made IMO, to go back to the Old Word lore...As for the theory that when Luclin exploded the atmosphere instantly ignited....that may have indeed happened, it is certainly plausible. But who is to say that the few groups that lived on the surface of Luclin didn't throw up some short of shield to protect themselves? The Akheva and Shissar were some of the most powerful and skilled magic using mortals as could be found anywhere, they certainly had the means. If the Kerran Shaman that would eventually become the Vah Shir could throw up some shields to protect them from the blast of the Erudites that sent them hurtling through space, I am sure those two cold do something similiar. Not only were they capable of protecting themselves from the atmosphere igniting, but I'd wager they could probably extend shields around a good portion of land and hold it together so thier homes wouldn't be destroyed. Of course this is all speculation and conjecture, but these were powerful beings we're talking about.As far as going to say the above is going, it's a similar stretch to say that if anyone had survived the Shattering we'd be able to see it.... No we wouldn't, Luclin is a comparable distance as Luna is to Earth and we couldn't see astronauts walking or anything without a fairly powerful telescope.Basically, I think it is certainly possible that some of Luclins residents survived. If they actually did or not is something we may never get to explore, but I am certain MANY people would enjoy doing so.

[Cusashorn]

<div>I won't deny that they could have used magic to save themselves... but with that I would question whether or not they would have known it was going to happen. I mean the moon just exploded. I don't believe they saw it comming.</div>

[Atmosphear1993]

<div></div>Lets put it this way, if SOE wants to base an expansion on what happened to Luclin, then they will create lore to back that expansion up. 

[DreamerClou]

<div></div>In my opinion I think that the Gates of Discord was the worst EQ1 expansion.  It was everything that the basic Everquest 1 was not..

[ganng]

<div></div><p>Question:<span>  </span>If the awakened sacrificed itself to save our world at the expense of the moon then obviously it saw this attack coming.<span>  </span>If so then why could there have not been another that saw it coming or was at least warned by the awakened of the cataclysm in time to save some of their people?</p>

[vikingthug]

<div></div>Anything is possible in the fantasy realm, thats what makes it sweet.  Personally I think the Gnomish ambassador used his Mark IV Time Machine, saw what was comming and promptly employed the Quasar 4000 Cataclysim Prevention shield system to save his Vah Shir buddies hence earning himself one hot kitten on a leash like the ones found in the palace.. Hey, its all about the perks.

[Descolin]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><div>Luclin is/was the worst expansion from the general player's point of view. The only reason they blew it up was to make sure we can't go back there as a cop-out resort for an expansion.</div><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:55 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Luclin has most of my favorite lore releated to it, and I find it intensely interesting. So, I guess I am one player who is glad they made the Luclin expansion for EQLive.</span></div><p>Message Edited by Descolin on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:50 AM</span></p>

[vikingthug]

<div></div>Im right there with you Des.

[hahn_ba]

<div></div><p>"the atmosphere is immediatly ignited"</p><p> </p><p>Good thing there's no atmosphere in the Grey <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>hahn_bard wrote:<div></div><p>"the atmosphere is immediatly ignited"</p><p> </p><p>Good thing there's no atmosphere in the Grey <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah. Good thing there's the entire continental plate beneath them that would be destroyed with the explosion breaking out from the center of the moon, blasting them out into space, where not even the undead would be able to survive.

[Xita]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>hahn_bard wrote:<div></div><p>"the atmosphere is immediatly ignited"</p><p> </p><p>Good thing there's no atmosphere in the Grey <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah. Good thing there's the entire continental plate beneath them that would be destroyed with the explosion breaking out from the center of the moon, blasting them out into space, where not even the undead would be able to survive.<hr></blockquote><p>so why cant the undead survive in space?</p><p> </p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Incinerated as soon as the ground crumbles up and the explosive force of 500 nuclear weapons shoots out from the core?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I don't know, but the shissar inside the temple itself are still alive. I doubt they can just make themselves undead that quickly and all.</div>

[Brannwyn]

I think you are missing the fact that the Vah Shir already survived one sudden explosion (you know the one that made the Hole and destroyed old Paineel). Why is it so inconceivable that some very powerful beings escaped the destruction of Luclin. Heck, with the combine spires working again, I am starting to suspect that Kerafym stole the bit that made them work. You know that black stuff that was under the pavers in The Nexus. There were beings on Luclin with near god-like powers and paranoia galore. So it's quite possible that stuff survived up there. Perhaps we will someday be able to go back and explore.Brannwyn

[Xita]

<div></div><p>im still just enjoying the visual of zombies blasted off the surface of luclin floating in space saying "brains" except you can't hear them...</p><p> </p>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Brannwyn wrote:I think you are missing the fact that the Vah Shir already survived one sudden explosion (you know the one that made the Hole and destroyed old Paineel). Why is it so inconceivable that some very powerful beings escaped the destruction of Luclin. Heck, with the combine spires working again, I am starting to suspect that Kerafym stole the bit that made them work. You know that black stuff that was under the pavers in The Nexus. There were beings on Luclin with near god-like powers and paranoia galore. So it's quite possible that stuff survived up there. Perhaps we will someday be able to go back and explore.Brannwyn<hr></blockquote>Being blown up, and being Teleported by a massive Laser are two completely different things. The Later of which is what actually happened. They weren't blown up from Norrath to Luclin. They, and the ground beneath them, were transported up there.

[vikingthug]

Your assuming that the moon has a volcanic core in the first place.  It may just be a dead hunk of rock.  All this talk of plates is pure speculation.  Here are the facts.  1. There was a huge explosian on the moon.  There, thats it, thats all we know..  Thats the bottom line.  There could be anything up there for all we know.. So get off your high horse and accept the fact that you dont know....After all, its all fantasy in the end.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Take a look at Luclin sometime. You'll see how it's blown off into different sizable chunks. There's my plate theory.</div>

[vikingthug]

<div></div><div></div> For the moon to have the type of plates your suggesting it would have to have a volcanic core like the earth.  Show me where youve read that Luclin ever had a molten core and maybe then I might find it even the least bit likely.  Luclin was just a dead moon, much like ours.  Some cosmic force split the moon into several huge chunks.  Could Luclin have a volcanic core?  Perhaps, and since it is fantasy Its certainly possible.<p>Message Edited by vikingthug on <span class="date_text">03-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:25 AM</span></p>

[Eiji]

I doubt the shissar survied, they were stuck in their tiny temple.I dobut akhevans survived. Luclin was anchored to the plane of shadow I believe. They either died or retreated to there. There is no known connection to said plane anywhere else.If anything survived, it was the fungus. Spores can easily survive thousand degree temp and the vacuum of space and hitch rides on meteors to Norrath.

[Atmosphear1993]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Eiji wrote:I doubt the shissar survied, they were stuck in their tiny temple.I dobut akhevans survived. Luclin was anchored to the plane of shadow I believe. They either died or retreated to there. There is no known connection to said plane anywhere else.If anything survived, it was the fungus. Spores can easily survive thousand degree temp and the vacuum of space and hitch rides on meteors to Norrath.<hr></blockquote><p>Well I assume the fungus (giant stationary purple mushrooms) in Nek Forest came from Luclin no?  Not only that, the Owlbears somehow made it to Nek Forest.  Can anyone clarify how the Owlbears made it to Norrath?</p>

[troodon311]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Take a look at Luclin sometime. You'll see how it's blown off into different sizable chunks. There's my plate theory.</div><hr></blockquote><p>You don't understand how tectonic plates work.  These plates exist only on the earth's crust, which is at most 70km thick (we're talking some really thick continental crust here, most of the crust is 5-10km thick over the earth's oceans).  Plates are very shallow and very wide, that's why they're called plates.  The rest of the earth is comprised of the convecting outer mantle, the "we aren't exactly sure" inner mantle, and the solid core, which taken together is a couple of thousand kms thick (I don't remember the exact number off the top of my head).  If the earth, hypothetically, were to explode the chunks it split into would have very little to do with actual crustal plates.  The solid Core wouldn't fracture much, because it's a giant ball of solid Fe and Ni.  We don't know much about the Inner Mantle so it's anyone's guess how that would fracture, probably along random faults generated by the stress of the explosion itself.  The Outer Mantle would likely fracture along mantle plumes and areas of active convection.  Along the crust it would fracture anywhere, it's simply too thin and brittle to put up any resistance to the kind of stress we're talking here.</p><p>Of course, all of this has very little to do with Luclin.  The earth (so the current theory goes, best one I've seen) has this differentiated structure only because of a giant impact with a ~Mars-sized body billions of years ago.  The energy involved in this impact (which, if you ever take an Igneous Petrology class at a university you'll probably be asked to figure out) generated sufficient heat to melt the entire planet.  It was this impact that allowed the earth to differentiate its core and mantle and it is the residual heat from this impact that drives our planet's mantle convection and therefor plate tectonics and active vulcanism.  This theory is very nice because it also gives a hypothesis for the creation of the moon, which would be material from the earth shot into orbit by the impact.</p><p>Getting back to the point, what I'm saying is chances are Luclin doesn't have crustal plates and areas of convection for the planet to fissure through because Luclin most likely doesn't have the kind of history that would generate these conditions.  You could use an <em>ad hoc</em> explanation and say "It was made that way" or "A wizard did it!" but we have no reason to think that's true.  Luclin most likely doesn't have crustal plates, but even if it did, these would have nothing to do with how the planet blows up.  The chunks you see in the sky were probably created more by random faulting through very cool and very dead rock than by anything to do with tectonism.</p><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class="date_text">03-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:27 PM</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Atmosphear1993 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Eiji wrote:I doubt the shissar survied, they were stuck in their tiny temple.I dobut akhevans survived. Luclin was anchored to the plane of shadow I believe. They either died or retreated to there. There is no known connection to said plane anywhere else.If anything survived, it was the fungus. Spores can easily survive thousand degree temp and the vacuum of space and hitch rides on meteors to Norrath.<hr></blockquote><p>Well I assume the fungus (giant stationary purple mushrooms) in Nek Forest came from Luclin no?  Not only that, the Owlbears somehow made it to Nek Forest.  Can anyone clarify how the Owlbears made it to Norrath?</p><hr></blockquote><p>It hasn't been directly stated, but I'd say the most likely possibility is that adventurers captured owlbear young and took them back to Norrath for zoos and stuff, or to possibly tame them.</p><p>Blah blah blah something happens and the owlbears managed to escape into the wild and populate Nektulos Forest.</p>

[Hukklebuk]

I've been wondering if the Ahkevan aren't somehow mixed up with the Nightbloods.../shrug<div></div>

[Hukklebuk]

Xita said:im still just enjoying the visual of zombies blasted off the surface of luclin floating in space saying "brains" except you can't hear them...<hr size="2" width="100%">ROFL!<div></div>