Hmm. I wonder...

[Cusashorn]

<div>Firiona Vie doesn't exist in the EQ2 timeline.</div><div> </div><div>So If and When they finally rediscover Kunark, would it be appropriate for the Outpost of Firiona Vie to exist?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I mean, sure, it existed long before the Timeline split, but as far as a game mascot goes, she doesn't exist (yet). And Moorgard stated that they don't plan on bringing her back.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Wouldn't it be kind of akward for us to rediscover Kunark and find the Outpost of Firiona Vie still going strong and all us adventurers wondering "who the heck is Firiona Vie and why does she have a giant statue in the middle of the outpost?"</div>

[Y]

She's part of EQ2's history, she just wasn't brought back from the abyss the way it happened in EQ1 after the split.Even if they have no intention of ever telling us what happened to her in EQ2's timeline, it doesn't mean that all references to her existence must be expunged.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>How is she part of EQ2's history? I haven't seen her mentioned yet in the game. Not once.</div>

[Y]

Everything that happened in EQ1 pre-PoP is part of EQ2's history. The split didn't occur until Druzzil altered time at the end of the PoP era.<div></div>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div><p>It's best not look too closely at time paradoxes and such, or it'll drive you crazy.</p><p>In my opinion, the (artificail) decicion to spin EQ2 off on an 'alternate' time line was a design dictated 'cop out' (and a huge mistake), but we are stuck with it!</p>

[RiverAssassin]

Much of the knowledge that people knew in the "Age of Legends" (EQ1) (I think it was the Age of Legends...) could have been lost in destruction of Luclin. We've lost access to the planes (if they even exist anymore with the absence of the Gods), so we can't find out anything in the Great Library. Maybe the people in the Age of Legends grew so accustomed to using the Plane of Knowledge to store any form of information that they found that they simply didn't use any other means to store it.That could be why we're on a totally different time line. Just my speculation, of course.

[i3ry]

Why would we call it anything else?  I don't remember Cazic Thule making any appearances yet we still have a temple named after him.  The Outpost of Firiona Vie is the Outpost of Firiona Vie.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>i3ry2k wrote:Why would we call it anything else?  I don't remember Cazic Thule making any appearances yet we still have a temple named after him.  The Outpost of Firiona Vie is the Outpost of Firiona Vie.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Cazic Thule is a god, and his temple existed in EQlive long before the Plane of Fear was opened up and became accessable to players. (PoF was the first one btw)</p><p> </p><p>Firiona Vie on the other hand, is the mascot for EQlive. When Kunark came out, they decided to focus some GM Event story lines around her, and the official lore was that the Outpost of Firiona Vie was named after her because she is the daughter of King Thex in Felwithe. He dedicated it's existance to her, whether she had made a name for herself or not.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>But she's not the Mascot for EQ2, and doesn't exist in this timeline.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I really see no reason for the outpost to remain NAMED after Firiona Vie unless it's strictly the fact that King Thex of Felwithe named it after his daughter, and not on the fact that his daughter appears on the box cover of every EQlive expansion.</p>

[Duhulk]

<div>Landmarks are important when visting historical zones from EQ1 and a ruined statue of FV would just be too good not to put imho ;>.</div><div> </div><div><hr><div>How is she part of EQ2's history? I haven't seen her mentioned yet in the game. Not once.<hr></div><div>The Qeynos Enquirer Correspondant says her name.</div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Ok fair enough. The National Equirer... sorry, the Norrathian Enquirer correspondants mentions her name once, but other than those crackpot tabloid reporters, who else?</div>

[Pyrrhx]

<div></div><p>I'd think of it like this...</p><p>Firiona Vie still has an outpost named after her as it is not as though she never existed.  Just because she's not on the box does not mean that dear old' dad didn't dedicate an outpost to her.</p><p>We do not have in-game references to her probably as the result of idk... human bias?  She was an Elf after-all.. And humans ( the clear majority race wise ) would more than likely be regaling their children/grandchilren with the exploits of human adventurers and heros... as to why the elves say nothing?  they'd rather not dwell on it :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>We're not that biased. We let you guys live with us, didn't we?</div>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div><div></div><p>The possibilities are:</p><p>Will Firiona Vie be a part of EQ2?</p><p>Will the outpost named after her be a part of EQ2?</p><p>Will both be a part of EQ2?</p><p>Will niether be a part of EQ2?</p><p> </p><p>Assuming that EQ2 is successful enough to last until a Kunark expansion (an 'iffy' assumption in my opinion),  I would assume that the ruins (only) might work their way into EQ2. </p><p>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:23 PM</span></p>

[Zard]

<div></div><p>I want to discover the statue of Firiona Vie just like Charlton Heston did in the end of movie "Planet of the Apes."</p><p> </p>

[Y]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><p>But she's not the Mascot for EQ2, and doesn't exist in this timeline.</p><hr></blockquote>I'd like to know why you're so set in your belief that Firiona Vie has never existed in this time line. For all we know, we just never heard of her again. Between Velious and PoP, at which time our story split off from EQ1's, Firiona Vie had not been part of the main story at all. While remaining on the cover, she didn't make another appearance in the actual story until much later.As far as we know, in our (EQ2) timeline, Firiona Vie was nothing more than the adventurous daughter of a king 500 years ago.</span></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Yax wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><p>But she's not the Mascot for EQ2, and doesn't exist in this timeline.</p><hr></blockquote>I'd like to know why you're so set in your belief that Firiona Vie has never existed in this time line. For all we know, we just never heard of her again. Between Velious and PoP, at which time our story split off from EQ1's, Firiona Vie had not been part of the main story at all. While remaining on the cover, she didn't make another appearance in the actual story until much later.As far as we know, in our (EQ2) timeline, Firiona Vie was nothing more than the adventurous daughter of a king 500 years ago.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Because Moorgard and the others commented that they don't want to or plan on putting her in.

[Y]

That doesn't mean she never existed, just that they don't plan to re-introduce her.<div></div>

[i3ry]

Yeah, this conversation makes sense.  I can see it now.  Adventurers find passage into Kunark and find the ruins of "that zone" and say to one another, "LOL she iz n00b cuz she'z on teh eq1 box ROFLFLFMAO LOL letz make a new name LOL <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />"<div></div>

[Hirebra]

Its been half a century since EverQuest 1, why would you expect her to still be around? Besides, mentioning her in EQ2 would be a 'spoiler' as to the future of EverQuest Live. If we found history books about her in our game they would have to mention her legacy, like "she heroicly died defeating Mayong and saving the world" or something like that. Would kinda tie the EQL dev's hands. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[i3ry]

How is finding the zone Firiona Vie a spoiler to the fate of Firiona Vie the person?  She doesn't absolutely have to be connected to the zone in anyway except by name.  Besides, the fate of Firona Vie in EQ2 would not match her fate of EQ1.  For all we know in EQ2's timeline she retired after Kunark or whatever expansion last talked about her before the time split.<div></div>

[SisterTheresa]

<div></div><p>Perhaps Kunark isn't around?  I mean, wasn't it an island or small land mass of some sort?  -=scratches her head=-  I never really visited it much outside playing an Ikky in EQ1.</p><p>I mean what doesn't say the island sank/land mass split into tiny islands?</p><p>As for Firiona Vie; if the Great Moorgard says she won't be in .. don't beleive it.  He also said a few times we would not have PvP :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[i3ry]

Kunark is a continent, not an island.  Sure, Sony could make up some story about the entire land mass of Kunark being destroyed or something but I'm sure we'll see it eventually as it had many of the favorite zones of much of the original EQ1 playerbase.  Only time will tell, but Sony would be stupid not to ever touch Kunark again.  If anything would turn the tide of subscription battles between Sony and Blizzard I bet it will either be a release of Kunark or Velious.<div></div>

[SisterTheresa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>i3ry2k wrote:Kunark is a continent, not an island.  Sure, Sony could make up some story about the entire land mass of Kunark being destroyed or something but I'm sure we'll see it eventually as it had many of the favorite zones of much of the original EQ1 playerbase.  Only time will tell, but Sony would be stupid not to ever touch Kunark again.  If anything would turn the tide of subscription battles between Sony and Blizzard I bet it will either be a release of Kunark or Velious.<div></div><hr></blockquote><font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">Ah yes, okay now I remember.  Hm, I would find exploring some of the 'lost' cities and areas more interesting than newer ones.</font>

[Atmosphear1993]

<div></div><p>FV isn't in the game yet because the lore is not focusing on that part of the world yet.  As for the dev comments on not putting her in: Do they mean not putting an actual NPC to interact with or not including her in the lore at all?  There is a difference.  I honestly think she will need to be in the lore at some point, whether it is describing the output on Kunark (granted it still exists) or some other relevant point in the timeline.  The devs can also choose to expand the game in areas where FV doesn't have a large presence and ignore her all together.</p><p>Just because we might rediscover Kunark doesn't mean the outpost will still exist.</p>

[NocteBla]

<div></div><p>She doesn't have to be a character in EQII's timeline to be part of the history of the EQII lore. Besides, someone's been raiding her closet. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> This is a screenie of the mural behind the GodKing in Fountain of Life.</p><p>Picture courtesy of Fires of Heaven on Permafrost.</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://h1.ripway.com/Eloora/eq%20ii/FoLmural.JPG"></p>

[Duhulk]

<div>How is putting in an outpost or landmark based on or named after a character the same as putting that character in the game?</div>

[Renita_Serafim]

<div>EverQuest II lore clearly acknowledges Firiona Vie's existance from the name of this High Elf tradition choice.</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6972/firiona5km.jpg"></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Ok so they get a tradition named after her. That doesn't mean the rest of the game aknowledges her.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>But that screenshot there is good enough for me.</div>