Correlating eq1 zones =) Can you tell me what they are?

[Daniscoox2]

Hello all just wondering which zones correlate to which. (what the eq2 zones were called back in eq1, taking the rendering into account)  I did the new newbie yard quests for freeport and some other zones and they told me of what happened to them and what they previously were.  It got me interested in figuring out what every other zone was.Just curious what zones used to be, I'm not excatly sure on some of them and I'm reading about 70 of the book quests I've completed to look up more lore just curious if anyone could help me out with a few questions. Okay without further ado:What is:Zek the orchish wastes?Deathfist Citadel?The Enchanted Lands? all misty thicket, or kithicor forest?Nektulos Castle?The Wailing Caves?The Pillar of Flames? (just part of the desert of ro, which part?)The Clefts of Rujark (I know they were recently built but what was this area before)Feerrott? (the innothule swamp, anything else?)I know it's a lot of questions and also that some of these places probably didn't exist back in eq1, but if anyone could clarifty that would be awesome.  Also I'm curious where a few places went or if they haven't been yet been rediscovered since the rendering if you could tell me.Do the following places still exist, or have they to come out or no longer exist?:Halas?  (underwater in EF, possibly, I think but I'm not sure)Jaggedpine forest?Rathe Mountains?Lake Rathtear?Aviak village (if south karana exists atm)Thanks all for your time, I'm just curious what  has happened in the past 500 years and what has changed.   Hope you can answer my questions for me =).-Quester and upcoming lore junkie from Befallen<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Daniscoox2 wrote:What is:Zek the orchish wastes?Deathfist Citadel?The Enchanted Lands? all misty thicket, or kithicor forest?Nektulos Castle?The Wailing Caves?The Pillar of Flames? (just part of the desert of ro, which part?)The Clefts of Rujark (I know they were recently built but what was this area before)Feerrott? (the innothule swamp, anything else?)Do the following places still exist, or have they to come out or no longer exist?:Halas?  (underwater in EF, possibly, I think but I'm not sure)Jaggedpine forest?Rathe Mountains?Lake Rathtear?Aviak village (if south karana exists atm)<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>1. Jaggedpine Forest.</p><p>2. Didn't exist.</p><p>3. Misty Thicket. Kithicor Forest no longer exists.</p><p>4. Didn''t Exist as a zone in EQlive.</p><p>5. Didn't Exist</p><p>6. The remains of the Lifyre River exists in PoF, which is the river that cut through and formed the Serpent Spine Mountains, which seperated the desert from the Planes of Karana. In EQlive, there is no correlating zone.</p><p>7. Not possible to determine. Just have to assume that the Clefts of Rujark are what the Rujarkian Hills used to be.</p><p>8. The Feerrott does exist. Its what the Feerrott is now. Innothule Swamp is rumored to be an expansion in the future.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>9. Yes. Underwater in Everfrost, there are a few building ruins surrounded by the ghosts of Halasian citizens.</p><p>10. See 1.</p><p>11. Now known as the Straight of the Twelve, the peaks of the twelve mountains that make up Rathe Mountains are the only things not underwater, as per what Vhalen mentioned in a recent thread here. Expect an expansion that covers this area.</p><p>12. Rathetear Sea would be a more appropriate name now.</p><p>13. Long gone. It would be in the Thundering Steppes if it still existed.</p><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:02 PM</span></p>

[backya]

The Wailing Caves?<div> </div><div>Happened after lucan took power. It was an orc outpost during the siege of freeport, it goes hand and hand with all the broken catipults laying around and rusted weapons sticking out of the ground. Lucan ordered the militia to go into the caves, as a sneak attack and upon doing so the militia slaughtered every orc in there in a big blood bath. This is why you see the orc spirits and the grave yard near the bottem. The face was carved on the outside as a tribute to what happened.</div>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div>Doesn't  Zek also include what used to be Surefall Glade and Nedaria's Landing, as well as the Jaggedpine Forest?

[Cusashorn]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mary the Prophetess wrote:<div></div>Doesn't  Zek also include what used to be Surefall Glade and Nedaria's Landing, as well as the Jaggedpine Forest?<hr></blockquote>Well Nedaria's Landing in this case didn't exist, but if it's also part of Surefall Glade, there's no NPC's or anything that indicate that it is.</div>

[IlionSturmli]

<div>Wailing Caves is whats left of Befallen.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>IlionSturmlied wrote:<div>Wailing Caves is whats left of Befallen.</div><hr></blockquote>No. It isn't. Befallen's been completely sealed off and destroyed. There are books and quests in the game that prove that the Wailing Caves didn't exist untill recently.

[IlionSturmli]

<div>Hmm maybe I'm mixing something up.</div><div> </div><div>I thought I read something ingame that the caves are Befallen.Have to check that with my new alt tonight.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Nah. Stormhold is Befallen, but it's not Befallen because they had to give the Qeynosian side a level 20 undead dungeon in relation to the Fallen Gate, so they created the story of Stormhold and went with it from there.</div>

[KniteShayd]

<div>Yes, zek is what jagged pine used to be, surefall was attached and had a druid ring, which zek has also, i don't remember jagged pine having one.  so that would lead me to believe jagged pine is in zek now.  /shrug</div><div> </div><div>I'd like this Clarified myself.  woulda been nice if it was still attached to Antonica, which was Qeynos Hills, then.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>KniteShayd wrote:<div>Yes, zek is what jagged pine used to be, surefall was attached and had a druid ring, which zek has also, i don't remember jagged pine having one.  so that would lead me to believe jagged pine is in zek now.  /shrug</div><div> </div><div>I'd like this Clarified myself.  woulda been nice if it was still attached to Antonica, which was Qeynos Hills, then.</div><hr></blockquote><p>There are NPC's right at the docks in Zek who flat out tell you that Zek is Jaggedpine Forest.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And Surefall didn't have a druid spire. Druids ended up porting into a hollowed out tree if I remember right.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div><p>The Druid Ring in Surefall Glade comes and goes.</p><p>In EQ OnLine Advnetures, Surefall Glade had a regular Druid Ring.  500 years later, in EQ Live the  Druid Ring is in a huge hollowed out tree.  Now 500 years further on, the Druid Ring has re-emerged as a part of Zek.</p><p>Strange group those Druids.</p>

[TaleraRis]

<div></div>Surefall wasn't attached the Jaggedpine. There was a portal in Surefall to Jaggedpine but they weren't connected zone to zone.  There was also a portal in Blackburrow.IIRC, there was a mountain keeping Jaggedpine separate. That's why the only way to it is by using the crystals.Nedaria's Landing I *think* you zoned right out into, without having to use a portal. And it would have existed here in EQ2, just not have been called Nedaria's Landing. The land would still have been there, though.Oh and as Cush said, you're told straight out Zek is the remains of Jaggedpine Forest. Although I can't remember which quest person it was who told me that. I had explored a lot of Zek and done a lot down the quest lines before I heard that.<div></div><p>Message Edited by TaleraRis on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:06 PM</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>It was those three NPC's standing right there on the docks. You can't miss them.</div>

[teddyboy4]

If you think about the lay of the land in EQLive, and how things are now, the remains of what once was Surefall Glade MAY be the Hidden Vale in Antonica. Roughly where the Hidden Vale is now, is where the entrance to Surefall would have fallen if you compare maps of Antonica to the Qeynos Hills.As for Jaggedpine, there was a mountain range that seperated it from Surefall. However, it does appear that Surefall and Jaggedpine were indeed right next door to each other. I think the only reason there wasn't an actuall "door" to Jaggedpine is b/c it was just easier to put the teleport orb there than to tear down a zones outer wall. Looking at the map of Antonica in the Maps of Myrist, Zek could only be Jaggedpine. I offer another reason there is a Druid Ring on Zek though. People forget (mainly b/c it wasn't a physical zone in EQ) that Jaggedpine Forrest actually bordered on the area known as the Unkempt Woods. I surmise that the Druid Ring in what is know known as Zek is probably actually a Druid RIng from the Unkempt Woods. For anyone unfamiliar with the Unkempt, they were an outcast sect of Druids, so it is totally plausible to think that they might have had thier own Druid ring in the area they inhabited.<div></div>

[Rounl]

<div>now is like Living Tombs zone the old ancient Combine Empire city?</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rounlin wrote:<div>now is like Living Tombs zone the old ancient Combine Empire city?</div><hr></blockquote><p>No. The Combine empire has nothing to do with anything in Desert of Flames.</p><p> </p><p>It's been proven that it's not the ancient Elven city of Takish'Hiz either.</p>

[Ennis]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>This might prove helpful.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/images/view_image.phtml?id=47478&site=68">http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/images/view_image.phtml?id=47478&site=68</a></p><p>Also, see this article on zones that were never developed in EQ.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq.ogaming.com/info/Editorials~5.php">http://eq.ogaming.com/info/Editorials~5.php</a></p><p>Message Edited by Ennis on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:55 AM</span></p>

[IlionSturmli]

<div>With that map you should keep in mind that both Qeynos and Freeport where moved during the 500 years.</div>

[TaleraRis]

<div>There's no maybe or evidence needed in regards to Zek. It is indeed the remains of Jaggedpine. You're told that in game.</div>

[Pyrrhx]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ennis wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Also, see this article on zones that were never developed in EQ.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eq.ogaming.com/info/Editorials~5.php">http://eq.ogaming.com/info/Editorials~5.php</a></p><p>Message Edited by Ennis on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:55 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>That was in interesting article.  Are you sure those area's didn't exist in EQlive?  Or is it that they just didn't have zones to themselves?</p><p>Either way, I thought it interesting to note that those areas existed in EQOA (made easier in eqoa as the world was a continuous world: no loading when crossing zonelines).  Well at least the areas mentioned below existed...</p><p><strong><u></u></strong> </p><p><strong><u>Odus</u></strong>The Great Plateau <font color="#ff00ff">(Large plain N, and NW of Arcadin(Erudin).. The Kappas were prominent in this area)</font>The Vasty Deep <font color="#ff00ff">(Incredibly deep lake with a ruined mer-city at the bottom.. lake itself is surrounded by ratmen)</font>The Barren Coast <font color="#ff00ff">(Ratman and Gargoyle territory; the largest landmark was the gargoyle spire)</font><b><u>Antonica</u></b>The Frigid Plane (<font color="#ff00ff">Equivalent to the Snowblind Plains.  The barbarians of the Anu tribe could be found here, as well as the dwelling place of the un-named king)</font>Winters Deep <font color="#ff00ff">(Upon the shores of this lake were the most prominent remaining elven settlements:  Tethelin; Fayspires; Chiasta.  Within the lake the Elves were constructing spires to send them to their cousins in Faydwer, N of the lake were the ruined combine spires, and W/NW of the lake were arcitc terrain in which were home to Greyvax's Cave, and the Elemental Cave)</font>Lake Nerius <font color="#ff00ff">(SE of the city of fayspires, this lake was home to Castle Felstar, as well as the Tier'dal outpost of Fort Seriak.  Continuing E led to Colonridge Cemetary and ultimately Neriak)</font>Serpent's Spine <font color="#ff00ff">(Mountain Chain following the serpent river.  Holciel Rowen'dal was built into this Mountain chain)</font>Rujarkian Hills <font color="#ff00ff">(that are roughly corresponds to the areas {E to W} of:  Slithtar Hive; Takish Hiz; Tak' Xiv; Wiktaan's 4th Talon {Orc Fortification~early rujarkians most likely}; Elephant Graveyard; Fort Alliance)</font>Greenblood River <font color="#ff00ff">(Crawling with lizard men)</font>The Dead Hills <font color="#ff00ff">(The Tomb city of Envar is located in these hills; plague wiped out this civilization leaving one/two Jal'raeth)</font>Unkempt Woods <font color="#ff00ff">(Roughly West of Halas; Home to the Unkempt Druids as well as the birthplace of Lycanthropy)</font>The Hatchland (<font color="#ff00ff">Corresponds to the Snow-Griffon hill along the coast W/NW of Zentar's Keep)</font>The Northland <font color="#ff00ff">(Seems to be the permafrost area)</font></p><p><font color="#ff00ff"><font color="#ffffff">Sorry if that temporarily hi-jacked the thread, so.. uh... back on topic.. There was a cave system below the Wailing tree(hill..idr, it was a large tree on a big hill)  in EQOA which could correspond to the Wailing caves before the cataclysms and the orc's use.  The cave which was home to undead was pretty much N/NW of Freeport.  Cataclysm could have uprooted the giant tree, elevated the surrounding the terrain, and perhaps moved it a little closer to the coast.</font></font></p><p><font color="#ff00ff"><font color="#ffffff">As for anything else, idk, I did Eqoa before EQ2 lol.</font></font></p><p><font color="#ff00ff"></font> </p>

[Themaginator]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Rounlin wrote:<div>now is like Living Tombs zone the old ancient Combine Empire city?</div><hr></blockquote>No the living tombs along with the silent city and what not if you read from the book in the peacock line quest is a city of heritics that split off from an "ancient elven city" (Takish'Hiz) that worshiped Aneshti (sp?) Sul.  They drank from the Fy'urn and became undead servants to the goddess of life/unlife.  also it has something to do with the heretic that started this city and something called the tal'thex (they copied my last name!)  or something i need to read it again well theirs my rambling for the day hope that helped</span></div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class="date_text">03-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:27 PM</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Themaginator wrote:<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Rounlin wrote:<div>now is like Living Tombs zone the old ancient Combine Empire city?</div><hr></blockquote>No the living tombs along with the silent city and what not if you read from the book in the peacock line quest is a city of heritics that split off from an "ancient elven city" (Takish'Hiz) that worshiped Aneshti (sp?) Sul.  They drank from the Fy'urn and became undead servants to the goddess of life/unlife.  also it has something to do with the heretic that started this city and something called the tal'thex (they copied my last name!)  or something i need to read it again well theirs my rambling for the day hope that helped</span></div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class="date_text">03-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:27 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>It's been stated in the game through that same line of quests you mention that Takish'Hiz is NOT the Living Tombs, Silent City, or Aket Akhan.

[Themaginator]

<div></div>yes sry if i wasnt clear on that i meant to say LT and SC are not Takish Hiz or any of those but a city started by heretics from Takish sry if i was unclear. the city probably was never discovered in EQlive so we dont see it...but it would explain the crazy amount of undead in the Ro of EQlive<div></div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class="date_text">03-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:11 PM</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>Yeah it never existed in EQlive, but yeah it would explain a lot.</div>

[Davisok]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Daniscoox2 wrote:What is:Zek the orchish wastes?Deathfist Citadel?The Enchanted Lands? all misty thicket, or kithicor forest?Nektulos Castle?The Wailing Caves?The Pillar of Flames? (just part of the desert of ro, which part?)The Clefts of Rujark (I know they were recently built but what was this area before)Feerrott? (the innothule swamp, anything else?)Do the following places still exist, or have they to come out or no longer exist?:Halas?  (underwater in EF, possibly, I think but I'm not sure)Jaggedpine forest?Rathe Mountains?Lake Rathtear?Aviak village (if south karana exists atm)<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>1. Jaggedpine Forest.</p><p>2. Didn't exist.</p><p>3. Misty Thicket. Kithicor Forest no longer exists.</p><p>4. Didn''t Exist as a zone in EQlive.</p><p>5. Didn't Exist</p><p>6. The remains of the Lifyre River exists in PoF, which is the river that cut through and formed the Serpent Spine Mountains, which seperated the desert from the Planes of Karana. In EQlive, there is no correlating zone.</p><p>7. Not possible to determine. Just have to assume that the Clefts of Rujark are what the Rujarkian Hills used to be.</p><p>8. The Feerrott does exist. Its what the Feerrott is now. Innothule Swamp is rumored to be an expansion in the future.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>9. Yes. Underwater in Everfrost, there are a few building ruins surrounded by the ghosts of Halasian citizens.</p><p>10. See 1.</p><p>11. Now known as the Straight of the Twelve, the peaks of the twelve mountains that make up Rathe Mountains are the only things not underwater, as per what Vhalen mentioned in a recent thread here. Expect an expansion that covers this area.</p><p>12. Rathetear Sea would be a more appropriate name now.</p><p>13. Long gone. It would be in the Thundering Steppes if it still existed.</p><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:02 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>just some thoughts... Nektulous Castle = Castle Mistmoore and deathfist citadel presumably could be a advance by the deathfist orcs that inhabbited the two commonlands in eq.

[Krien the Wick]

<div>Nektropos has nothing to do with mistmoore castle, different continents even. Deathfist citidel wasn't erected in EQ1 yet.</div>

[Kindayr]

<div>I;m guessing that Nek Castle would be Najena. Though Najena was connected to Lavastorm, wasn't Lavastorm also connected to Nek Forrest? If i'm wrong then i'm wrong heh, haven't played Live since Early 2004.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<div>The ruins of Najena can be found right to the left of the cave at the beach in Lavastorm. It was always part of Lavastorm, and not Nektulos Forest.</div>

[Zabjade]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote> </blockquote><p>3. Misty Thicket. Kithicor Forest no longer exists.<font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS" color="#66cc00"> Yes it does at least in the offical pen and paper RPG version, it is called the Forbidden Forrest and is an island slightly Southwest of the Enchanted lands.</font></p><p>8. The Feerrott does exist. Its what the Feerrott is now. Innothule Swamp is rumored to be an expansion in the future.<font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS"> <font color="#66cc00">Probably the Fjords(?) of Yekesha I saw on the RPG map.</font></font></p><p>9. Yes. Underwater in Everfrost, there are a few building ruins surrounded by the ghosts of Halasian citizens.<font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS" color="#66cc00">Wierd thing is Halas should be NOT be nextdoor to permafrost but far WEST across the zone</font></p><p></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><hr></blockquote>

[Vhalen]

<div></div>Halas has not been rediscovered yet. I cannot say if you will ever discover it. I hope so. It has seen some bad times. The defiant city in the Northlands has withstood a massive siege during the Age of War and the massive geographical devastation of the Age of Cataclysms. There is also a little secret something that went on that no one would know about unless you were in Halas when that epic battle took place. Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon. But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force.

[Zabjade]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>Halas has not been rediscovered yet. I cannot say if you will ever discover it. I hope so. It has seen some bad times. The defiant city in the Northlands has withstood a massive siege during the Age of War and the massive geographical devastation of the Age of Cataclysms. There is also a little secret something that went on that no one would know about unless you were in Halas when that epic battle took place. Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon. But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force.<hr></blockquote><font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS" color="#66cc00">Ohhh tease us more! :smileywink: PLEASE!</font>

[ag]

I will guess... Miragul!

[Vikk1]

<div>Aren't there a bunch of dead Halasians floating around in Everfrost?</div>

[TaleraRis]

<blockquote><hr>agra wrote:I will guess... Miragul!<hr></blockquote>My guess too, since the shaman epic 1.0 was involved in foiling his evil plans.

[Kindayr]

<div></div>That's mean Vhalen. That's mean. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Saroc_Luclin]

Miragul's my guess as well, considering his menagerie was in the ice flows/mountains in Everfrost as well. Perhaps the catacylsm set those monstrosities loose into the Everfrost and part of the battle the Halasians had to do was to bottle them back up.Man, stop teasing us with all these Lore nuggets and get those zones in game! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  <div></div>

[lilmohi]

<div></div>So when are we going to get to rediscover Feydwer?  I miss my old home terribly and can't wait to be able to walk the halls of kaladim.

[EvilIguana9]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>TaleraRis wrote:<blockquote><hr>agra wrote:I will guess... Miragul!<hr></blockquote>My guess too, since the shaman epic 1.0 was involved in foiling his evil plans.<hr></blockquote>Ditto on the Paladin epic.  Unlike the shaman epic, however, the paladin epic was mind numbingly long and difficult as well as totally outdated 1 expansion later ><. </span></div>

[ganjookie]

I heard that continent was desroyed and will probably not be seen ever again... /sad<div></div>

[Kytraan]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vikk1 wrote:<div>Aren't there a bunch of dead Halasians floating around in Everfrost?</div><hr></blockquote>The "Sunken Halsians" are outside the entrance (new entrance?) of Permafrost. This is likely to be geographically distant from where the city was. Perhaps their death and "sinking" was due to the war mentioned.</span></div>

[Quasicroa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div><p>Halas has not been rediscovered yet. I cannot say if you will ever discover it. I hope so. It has seen some bad times. The defiant city in the Northlands has withstood a massive siege during the Age of War and the massive geographical devastation of the Age of Cataclysms. There is also a little secret something that went on that no one would know about unless you were in Halas when that epic battle took place. Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon.</p><p><strong>But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force.</strong></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>Makes me wonder if this could have to do with the Orc clan that lived in Everfrost in EQLive.  I cannot be the only one that finds it very strange that EQ2 Everfrost doesn't have a single remaining pocket of that Orc Clan.</p><p>I know we have the Crushbone clan and the Deathfist clan as the two main clan's, and while the Everfrost clan may have integrated into another. Either way it would be fun to know more as I don't recall reading anything that lead to a total annihalation for them.</p><p>I also don't recall Valkaries having been in EQLive's EverFrost, but I from what I have did in EQ2 thus far I have seen enough that shows they are no friend to the Halasians.</p><p>Anyway it would appear that the _____ spot of Vhalen's did its job. So now I thank you for the many sleepless nights I will have.</p>

[Quasicroa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kytraan wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vikk1 wrote:<div>Aren't there a bunch of dead Halasians floating around in Everfrost?</div><hr></blockquote>The "Sunken Halsians" are outside the entrance (new entrance?) of Permafrost. This is likely to be geographically distant from where the city was. Perhaps their death and "sinking" was due to the war mentioned.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>Unless I am mistaken Halas would have been somewhere in the NW area of the map for EQ2's Everfrost in the area that does not let you travel(or uncover) so Everfrost would had to do some amazing twisting upon itself during the rending in order to move Halas from the NW corner into the ice flows in the NE corner.</p><p>I went looking in the ice flows out by Permafrost and found the Sunken Halasians, but the so called buildings do not look like buildings (or ruins of buildings for that matter) to me anyway. Many players since launch (beta) have interpeted that Halas is/was there now because of the Sunken Halasians presence there.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div><p>Personally, I agree with you.  </p><p>I feel that it is a false presumption on the part of players that the ruins of the city of Halas are actually the ruins that they claim they are.</p><p>Understand that I am not totally closed to the idea that it<em> could</em> be Halas, but I need more evidence than what we presently have been given, (lore-wise), to convince me.</p>

[TaleraRis]

<span><blockquote><hr>Quasicroako wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div><p>Halas has not been rediscovered yet. I cannot say if you will ever discover it. I hope so. It has seen some bad times. The defiant city in the Northlands has withstood a massive siege during the Age of War and the massive geographical devastation of the Age of Cataclysms. There is also a little secret something that went on that no one would know about unless you were in Halas when that epic battle took place. Unfortunately, the Halasians that did survive that mysterious battle won't be telling tales anytime soon.</p><p><strong>But clues remain that may reveal the secret war between ________ and the brave Halasians that stood against this force.</strong></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>Makes me wonder if this could have to do with the Orc clan that lived in Everfrost in EQLive.  I cannot be the only one that finds it very strange that EQ2 Everfrost doesn't have a single remaining pocket of that Orc Clan.</p><p>I know we have the Crushbone clan and the Deathfist clan as the two main clan's, and while the Everfrost clan may have integrated into another. Either way it would be fun to know more as I don't recall reading anything that lead to a total annihalation for them.</p><p>I also don't recall Valkaries having been in EQLive's EverFrost, but I from what I have did in EQ2 thus far I have seen enough that shows they are no friend to the Halasians.</p><p>Anyway it would appear that the _____ spot of Vhalen's did its job. So now I thank you for the many sleepless nights I will have.</p><hr></blockquote>Could they possibly be the three in the Feerrott? That group does make it clear they're not affilitated with known orc clans and they came from far away.</span><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>TaleraRis wrote:<span>Could they possibly be the three in the Feerrott? That group does make it clear they're not affilitated with known orc clans and they came from far away.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Nah. the Blackhooks clearly reveal that they work for the Zek Empire at the end of the quest line.

[Quasicroa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TaleraRis wrote:<span>Could they possibly be the three in the Feerrott? That group does make it clear they're not affilitated with known orc clans and they came from far away.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Nah. the Blackhooks clearly reveal that they work for the Zek Empire at the end of the quest line.<hr></blockquote><p>Zek also has Blackhook orcs located by the Siren Isle, and some of the progressive quests there talk about them. Between Zek and Feerrott's quests with the Blackhooks they are more Deathfist sanctioned pirates than anything.</p><p>I know in EQLive that the Everfrost orcs were not called Blackhooks(cannot recall their clan name atm) though, and they were quite purple in color. I am 99.9% sure that I have not seen any purple Orcs dressed like eskimos running around anywhere in EQ2.</p><p>I hope it is that orc clan and something in an event/adventure pack (if they ever do another) reintroduces them. Heck even if it isn't reintroduce them anyway. It was kind of a let down to get to Everfrost and not find a single Orc, but those damnable goblins managed to survive.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<div>I don't recall ever hearing an official clan name of the snow orcs in Everfrost.</div>

[TaleraRis]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TaleraRis wrote:<span>Could they possibly be the three in the Feerrott? That group does make it clear they're not affilitated with known orc clans and they came from far away.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Nah. the Blackhooks clearly reveal that they work for the Zek Empire at the end of the quest line.<hr></blockquote>Ah, do they? I got the impression from what they said when I got the quest that they weren't affiliated with the Zek orcs. Lute's quests involve them, but that felt more like a side mission to me. Ah well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Oh, and they were just "A snow orc X"</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by TaleraRis on <span class="date_text">03-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:01 AM</span></p>

[LSUTigerFan]

<div></div><div></div><p>There was a Nek Castle.  It wasn't a zone, but part of the city of Nek back in EQ1.  If traveling to the deepest part of Nek, it was in the second zone, and surrounded by water.  It was a castle, but I  can't remember if you could enter it or not.</p><p>Vanell</p><p>Crushbone</p><p>Message Edited by LSUTigerFan on <span class="date_text">03-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:04 AM</span></p>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>LSUTigerFan wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>There was a Nek Castle.  It wasn't a zone, but part of the city of Nek back in EQ1.  If traveling to the deepest part of Nek, it was in the second zone, and surrounded by water.  It was a castle, but I  can't remember if you could enter it or not.</p><p>Vanell</p><p>Crushbone</p><p>Message Edited by LSUTigerFan on <span class="date_text">03-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:04 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I hope you don't mean Nektropolus.  That was built after Neriak was sealed off.

[Morlach]

interesting post. Theres no way that Nek Castle = Castle Mistmoor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />That said, Devs, please give us a Castle Mistmoor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Pyrrhx]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>I don't recall ever hearing an official clan name of the snow orcs in Everfrost.</div><hr></blockquote>In EQOA, the clans nearest halas (1 orc, 2 goblin) were the Snowfist, Frosteye, and Freezeblood...

[Kindayr]

<div>SNOWFIST!</div><div> </div><div>That was the clan in Halas. It just rings a bell once I saw it.</div><div> </div><div>They were purple, tattered white clothing, but always with the names snow orc. But snowfist rings a bell, a big church bell.</div>

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<div></div>Snowfist and Frosteye clans are right on, but The Freezeblood clan are goblins.

[Borban]

there werent just the "a snow orc ____" but also deeper in the tundra there was a set a ruins with a ton of "an Icy Orc" all around it and a named dude with a skelly pet would pop in the middle of it<div></div>

[Kytraan]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Borban wrote:there werent just the "a snow orc ____" but also deeper in the tundra there was a set a ruins with a ton of "an Icy Orc" all around it and a named dude with a skelly pet would pop in the middle of it<div></div><hr></blockquote>The named orc there was Redwind and he was an SK. My ranger learned to pull with harmony at that camp in his low 30s =)There is also a painting you could get if you used your eq1 account to go to eq2 called "The Killing of Redwind and a pint of ale" that basically showed a barbarian walking up to the Halas gate. The "buildings" around where the sunken halasians are could easily be one of the many temples that were scattered around everfrost. There were at least 3 within close proximity to the permafrost entrance. One where you would hunt the mammoths from, one where Redwind was, and across the second part of the river fork was one that had the merchant that sold the shaman poison spells. Now that I think about it there were also a couple of abandon structures near the fork of the river where they put the LDON camp.Of course I haven't recently visited the underwater spot where the sunken halasians are to look closely at what "ruins" may lie there.My best guess is the sunken halasians are from a big battle that took place in the area when "the ground opened up and the seas rolled in..." happened. We've seen several lore peices regarding what happened in the time of the earthquakes etc.</span></div>