Feerrott and Innothule Swamp?

[ToxicWi]

<DIV> <P>Is the current EQ2 version of the Feerrott like the original Feerrott and Innothule Swamp combined or is it just a new version of solely the Feerrott? I am coming back to EQ2 and starting over (like leaving me level 19 is a big deal anyways) and want to create a race where it is possible that, from an RP standpoint, I could rediscover ruins of my old home. I was just wondering because I was thinking of making a Froglok, but they were found in some small village in the Feerrott… so I was just wondering.</P></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Its a new version of just the Feerrott. Innothule Swamp will be it's own expansion.</DIV>

[ToxicWi]

<DIV>Thank you. That is very good to hear!</DIV>

[i3ry]

Where did you hear Innothule will be an entire expansion? <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>It's just a rumor, but I heard that Innothule Swamp and Rathe Mountains are going to be the next two expansions before they move onto the other continents.</DIV>

[i3ry]

Yeah, that idea sounds horrible.  Sounds like something they'd do.  Maybe after that they can make an entire expansion that takes place on that tiny island the Tangrin lives on in Kunark. <div></div>

[troodon311]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> i3ry2k wrote:<BR>Yeah, that idea sounds horrible.  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think it's a much better idea than "Ok, Faydwer time! Now Odus! Now Kunark! Now Velious! Now.... crap, out of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to do..... let's just make up some bull about extra dimensions and call it a day"</DIV><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>12-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:46 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> i3ry2k wrote:<BR>Yeah, that idea sounds horrible.  Sounds like something they'd do.  Maybe after that they can make an entire expansion that takes place on that tiny island the Tangrin lives on in Kunark.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Stop trying to think that the expansion will be about the size of the dinky little zone Innothule is in EQlive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Rathe Mountains/Lake Rathe? Its a MOUNTAIN RANGE. Do you have any idea how huge mountain ranges are?</DIV>

[ffour16]

<P>Considering how large the zones were in the recent expansion, I would be surprised if they didn't up the ante with the next one.</P> <P>And we really have no idea what has come of the other continents, everything has changed since the Shattering, which is part of the curious, nostalgic draw of the world.</P>

[xentavius]

Witht he new climbing dynamic they introduced with DOF, mountain ranges seem very plausible. <div></div>

[Banditman]

Innothule is under water.  Look at the geography.Actually, the current Feerrott is partly Innothule.  You just kinda have to look at it.Either way, there are way too many good things on Faydwer and Odus to ignore them any longer.  Unrest, Crushbone, The Hole, Mistmoore . . . too much to ignore.

[Zutan]

Its possible all or part of Innothule still exists, along with the hills that contain grobb/gukta and the hills that contain Guk (and some surrounding areas on the "drawing" but not live in EQ1 zones)  Where the docks are in EQ2 would be points us towards where Innothule would be... Is it sunken and gone? Maybe but only SOE can tell us that. Personally I'd like to see a larger expansion, possibly one that shows us the Innothule area as well as the Rathe Mnts and Lake areas at once..  Maybe individually they'd be good expansions but they'd have to do a really good job of them to make it work IMO. <div></div>

[Duhulk]

<P>The distinction between expansion and adventure pack is one that these rumor mills may not be aware off.</P> <P>My thought would be that innotule and rathe mountains would be the next two adventure packs. At least, I pray this is so. As i've said before, if the next fully fledged expansion was just going to be on innothule swamp I woudl begin to give serious consideration to moving on lol.</P>

[Saroc_Luclin]

Innothule Swamp and the Rathe region has never struck me as an area that would have enough history in it to base a full scale expansion off of. Even in EQLive, it's a relatively sparse region, and all of its big events are almost prehistoric even then.On the one hand, this lack of preexisting content would give the Dev's plenty of room to create something new.On the other hand, i think most of us are eager to see what has happened to the rest of the places we knew and love before we're hit by too much Brand New Never Before Seen content.

[Zutan]

500+ more years of "history" in those regions AFTER EQ1. Even "deserts of Ro" is "sparce" in EQ1 yet all kinds of things are in DoF. Multiple indiginous races in Rathe area to build a story from. Innothule is a bit sparce itself but it includes gukta/grobb as well as Guk. There very well may be other stuff there as well, that was never fleshed out in EQ1. I wouldnt mind seeing them as adventure packs personally, but so far those are very small and limited things. To do those zones and regions right they'd need a full scale effort such as what is done for expansions. <div></div>

[ToxicWi]

Since we've gotten into discussing expansions, I am really excited to see Odus. From in-game information, a huge explosion happened and next time the Erudite were seen, they were small foreheaded and gray skin tones with mystical runes. Imagine the monsters and creatures that would be there!

[Cusashorn]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Banditman wrote:<BR>Innothule is under water.  Look at the geography.<BR><BR>Actually, the current Feerrott is partly Innothule.  You just kinda have to look at it.<BR><BR>Either way, there are way too many good things on Faydwer and Odus to ignore them any longer.  Unrest, Crushbone, The Hole, Mistmoore . . . too much to ignore.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><BR>Yeah. Look at the Geography. I mean look at the big empty Ocean that used to cover up the entire continent of Ro before it was discovered. Just look at it. Yep. All that sand and rock is really water. You just don't know it. </P>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>From the map below, (drawn to scale) it would appear that though much of Innothule Swamp may be underwater now, (there is not much room to fit another island between the Isle of Ro, and  the Feerrott), there is more than enough left of Antonica for another expansion.</P> <P>While it is very doubtful they could make two expansions, one further expansion covering parts of Lake Rathetear, and the Rathe Mountains, should be enough to warrent another expansion on Antonica before moving on to the Faydwer.</P> <P><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=486491#" target=_blank><IMG height=768 alt="The Southern sections of Antonica" src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/948/498.jpg" width=593 border=0></A></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <span class=date_text>12-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:40 AM</span>

[xentavius]

From the previous adventure packs, I don't see them releaseing new lands as an adv. pack. Adventure packs are more dungeon oriented on existing land masses. <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote:<BR> <P>From the map below, (drawn to scale) it would appear that though much of Innothule Swamp may be underwater now, (there is not much room to fit another island between the Isle of Ro, and  the Feerrott), there is more than enough left of Antonica for another expansion.</P> <P>While it is very doubtful they could make two expansions, one further expansion covering parts of Lake Rathetear, and the Rathe Mountains, should be enough to warrent another expansion on Antonica before moving on to the Faydwer.</P> <P><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=486491#" target=_blank><IMG height=768 alt="The Southern sections of Antonica" src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/948/498.jpg" width=593 border=0></A></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <SPAN class=date_text>12-06-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:40 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>As I said, don't think that any future expansions of old-world zones will be based directly off the size of the zone from that game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look at Antonica. It's Qeynos Hills. Qeynos hills is a teeny tiny zone. Antonica is larger than the Western, Eastern, Southern, And Northern Plains of Karana combined.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maps aren't accurate. Just because it looks like there's not much water between Ro and the Feerrott on the map in EQ2 doesn't mean that (From a roleplaying point of view) the cartographer who created that map accurately drew in the exact distance between the landmasses.</DIV>

[i3ry]

I really don't care how big or small they are in EQ1.  The point is, Innothule Swamp is a boring idea for an expansion pack, especially when you look at the alternatives like Kunark, Odus, Velious, etc.  At least Ro had some history and lore to go along with it.  What does Innothule have (besides Guk)?  Uhh, myconids and froglok tadpoles?  Its just not interesting. <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> i3ry2k wrote:<BR>I really don't care how big or small they are in EQ1.  The point is, Innothule Swamp is a boring idea for an expansion pack, especially when you look at the alternatives like Kunark, Odus, Velious, etc.  At least Ro had some history and lore to go along with it.  What does Innothule have (besides Guk)?  Uhh, myconids and froglok tadpoles?  Its just not interesting.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Guk, Frogloks, Trolls, Original Content (GASP! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And those "Alternatives" like Kunark, Odus, Velious, etc... You can wait 6 months longer anyway. They're not gonna hit those later for a few more years anyway. Best to spread out the lifespan of the game.</DIV>

[i3ry]

Nah, I'm not waiting 6 months to hear about an Innothule expansion.  If they are seriously going to milk it (or "spread it out" as you put it) like that, I'll be done with EQ2, and I'm sure many other people will be too.  People don't want "new" made up content, which is what Innothule would be since there is nothing interesting there from eq1.  We want to see what happened to the places from EQ1 we spent so much time in and enjoyed. <div></div>

[chulako]

What is with all the negative EQ1 residuals bringing their doomsday attitude to the boards of new and fresh games like EQ2 and WoW? Dont like it dont want, need pvp this have to have that or this game stinks etc. If they want to take innothule and bring out all the content most players missed out on from the typical cookie cutter PL grind in EQ1 then so be it, im excited to see what they will do with it. 6 year veteran of EQ1. I am accustomed to the griping after an expansion has been released and failed horribly but EQ2 has had a 7 year education in the making. I doubt they will reintegrate all the problems that plagued EQ into their new "fresh" start. The only negative resurgence seems to come with the poor attitudes players have brought with them, same lack of faith, creativity, and curiosity. Why must everything be so black and white. I would hope like the other forums that instead of why it wont work or innothule had no content in EQ1 the rest of you would join in with the others in remembering what there was in these zones, help bring out the possibilities. There was quite a bit of lore and content! How can anyone say there wasnt. Each zone in the old worlds, up to Luclin had very distinct purpose and lore. It started to wane after that but still - each idea isnt an automatic wastebasket. Look what they have done already with old zones now. I like it, this cataclysmic change to the world doenst pigeon hole the games potention for growth. with the combination of lore from EQ1 in conjunction to the new lore created by a devastated people, the storyline has tons of places to go! Everything is up for speculation, that is awesome. For a great format for writing.

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Personally, I woud hope that they 'finish' one continent, before moving on to another.  </P> <P>As far as zone 'content', I think that is not a problem at all.  There is a wealth of plot-lines from EQ Live that can be advanced from any and all zones.  </P> <P>My criticism of EQ2 content is that too often it seems to be entirely NEW content, instead of a continuation and development of previous EQ Live content.  Whether this is intentional or not, it does not provide for the links and ties to the older game that it could (or should).</P>

[troodon311]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <P>Guk, Frogloks, Trolls, Original Content (GASP! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!?)<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Add to that whatever remains of Grobb, plus they could easily throw Broken Skull Rock in with Innothule.  There were Shadowmen in Innothule, so they can expand on the whole Void thing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I like big expansions, so I say put Rathe and Innothule together; lots of fun :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Jai1]

I just want to see a swamp in the game. They just look cool.

[Atmosphear1993]

<P>I can see that they could be planning to spread out the other continents over the course of the next several years.  I can see separate expansions for Odus, Faydwer, Kunark and possibly Velious.  However, they need to also branch out in new directions and take players to brand new lands as well.</P> <P>As far as Innth. and Rathe Mountains, those are just rumors and nothing more.  Guk might turn to to be an AP connecting from Feerrott somewhere, and the Rathe Mountains are now a chain of islands I believe.  If they make an expansion based upon Rathe Mountains, I can envision giant ocean zones dotted with little islands, player owned boats, and some adventure on the seas (one can only dream.)</P> <P>There was a recent interview with a dev about the next expansion.  He said that they want to focus on what happened to the gods and the planes they occupied.  So the lore for the next expansion might be focus in on the gods, but not necessarily open up any planes for us.  I will try and find the interview and link it.</P> <P>Message Edited by Atmosphear1993 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-08-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:02 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Atmosphear1993 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-08-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:02 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Atmosphear1993 on <span class=date_text>12-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:39 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>^ Yah I want them to focus and add more story into the game about the religions and gods. I don't want them to open up the planes, or have any gods appear, but it would be nice to learn more about each god anyway and what they're doing now-a-days.</DIV>

[Atmosphear1993]

<P>Ok, found the interview, below is the link.  For you lazy people I cut and pasted the important part on the next expansion:</P> <P><STRONG>OGaming: Recent adventures/expansions such as <EM>Desert</EM><EM> of Flames</EM> and <EM>Splitpaw Saga</EM> have introduced new realms, quests... What other additions do you have planned in the near future? What sorts of locales, adventures, storylines and enemies will they introduce? <BR><BR>SH: </STRONG>We can't get into too many specifics, but there are a few themes that we'll be expanding on in the future. Namely, what happened with the Gods in the Norrathian pantheon, and what really happened with the shattering of the world. As it stands now in <EM>EQ2</EM>, the dragons are telling people the story from their point of view. As highly intelligent creatures, sometimes they have agendas of their own.<BR></P> <P>Inverview conducted by Ogaming.  Full link is <A href="http://www.ogaming.com/data/3349~ScottHartsman.php" target=_blank>here</A>.  Also lots of other neat little tidbits.</P>

[Duhulk]

<HR> I don't want them to open up the planes, or have any gods appear, <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do, eventually =).</DIV>

[Zutan]

I was also noticing that there is at least one *new* river in feerrott where none existed before (east of the druid rings) in EQ1.  Im wondering if that area is part of the old Innothule swamp or if we just have a river that formed in the last 500 years.  The *old* river with the bridges doesnt seem to match up with any of the rivers in the new zones but the most likely one would be the one that goes north/south right next to CT. <div></div>

[troodon311]

<P>Rivers are extremely dynamic systems.  They move all over the place all the time (especially when active tectonics are at play as would have been the case with the Rending), as one can see in this map of the Rio Grande.</P> <P><IMG src="http://research.gg.uwyo.edu/joelh/rio/loc_lg.jpg"></P><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>12-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:36 PM</span>

[teddyboy4]

<span><blockquote><hr>Mary the Prophetess wrote:<p>Personally, I woud hope that they 'finish' one continent, before moving on to another.  </p> <p>As far as zone 'content', I think that is not a problem at all.  There is a wealth of plot-lines from EQ Live that can be advanced from any and all zones.  </p> <p>My criticism of EQ2 content is that too often it seems to be entirely NEW content, instead of a continuation and development of previous EQ Live content.  Whether this is intentional or not, it does not provide for the links and ties to the older game that it could (or should).</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote> I agree. I too would like to know what happened to the rest of Antonica, and think that Innothule and Rathe have lots of neat stuff in em that could be fleshed out more in EQ2. I very much want to see Faydwer personally, but I have no problem finishing up this continent first. There are alot of great plot lines and places of interest in these zones to fill an entire expansion. Some places/things I'd like to revisit there are Gukta/Grobb, Guk (I'd love to return to Guk, had lots of great times there in EQLive), the remains of what happened there during the 2nd Rallosian War, The Sphinxes, The Giants , maybe the Shattering had odd effects on the place where the Rathe Council fell?  All that being said though, I would be kind of disapointed if each zone got it's own expansion. That would just be drawing things out a bit too much for me personally. That would be two years for just the "Old World", and there is just so much more to see and do, lets get on with it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I've been saying this for awhile, and it is one of the things that bothers me the most about EQ2. There is just such a large pool of established lore and history in the EverQuest world, I can't for the life of me figure out why the Dev's don't use it more. Alot of the draw for me to EQ2 is revisiting the world and seeing the effects of our actions 500 years ago, and there just isn't much chance to do that. I know the world has been changed considerably from what it was, and that in 500 years new history can certainly be made, but honestly if I wanted a completely new world I'd be somewhere else. Please Dev's, more connections to established EQ lore <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> teddyboy420 wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR><BR>I agree. I too would like to know what happened to the rest of Antonica, and think that Innothule and Rathe have lots of neat stuff in em that could be fleshed out more in EQ2. I very much want to see Faydwer personally, but I have no problem finishing up this continent first.<BR><BR>There are alot of great plot lines and places of interest in these zones to fill an entire expansion. Some places/things I'd like to revisit there are Gukta/Grobb, Guk (I'd love to return to Guk, had lots of great times there in EQLive), the remains of what happened there during the 2nd Rallosian War, The Sphinxes, The Giants , maybe the Shattering had odd effects on the place where the Rathe Council fell?  All that being said though, I would be kind of disapointed if each zone got it's own expansion. That would just be drawing things out a bit too much for me personally. That would be two years for just the "Old World", and there is just so much more to see and do, lets get on with it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR><BR>I've been saying this for awhile, and it is one of the things that bothers me the most about EQ2. There is just such a large pool of established lore and history in the EverQuest world, I can't for the life of me figure out why the Dev's don't use it more. Alot of the draw for me to EQ2 is revisiting the world and seeing the effects of our actions 500 years ago, and there just isn't much chance to do that. I know the world has been changed considerably from what it was, and that in 500 years new history can certainly be made, but honestly if I wanted a completely new world I'd be somewhere else. Please Dev's, more connections to established EQ lore <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Well Innothule and Rathe Mountains pretty much finish up the rest of the landmass for Antonica. It's a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] shame that Highpass doesn't and can't exist anymore because the Isle of Refuge is what remains of it. That was my favorite area on the whole continent.</DIV>

[Atmosphear1993]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> teddyboy420 wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR><BR>I agree. I too would like to know what happened to the rest of Antonica, and think that Innothule and Rathe have lots of neat stuff in em that could be fleshed out more in EQ2. I very much want to see Faydwer personally, but I have no problem finishing up this continent first.<BR><BR>There are alot of great plot lines and places of interest in these zones to fill an entire expansion. Some places/things I'd like to revisit there are Gukta/Grobb, Guk (I'd love to return to Guk, had lots of great times there in EQLive), the remains of what happened there during the 2nd Rallosian War, The Sphinxes, The Giants , maybe the Shattering had odd effects on the place where the Rathe Council fell?  All that being said though, I would be kind of disapointed if each zone got it's own expansion. That would just be drawing things out a bit too much for me personally. That would be two years for just the "Old World", and there is just so much more to see and do, lets get on with it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR><BR>I've been saying this for awhile, and it is one of the things that bothers me the most about EQ2. There is just such a large pool of established lore and history in the EverQuest world, I can't for the life of me figure out why the Dev's don't use it more. Alot of the draw for me to EQ2 is revisiting the world and seeing the effects of our actions 500 years ago, and there just isn't much chance to do that. I know the world has been changed considerably from what it was, and that in 500 years new history can certainly be made, but honestly if I wanted a completely new world I'd be somewhere else. Please Dev's, more connections to established EQ lore <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Well Innothule and Rathe Mountains pretty much finish up the rest of the landmass for Antonica. It's a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] shame that Highpass doesn't and can't exist anymore because the Isle of Refuge is what remains of it. That was my favorite area on the whole continent.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I didn't know that!  Are there any visual indicators that resemble Highpass in IoR?  What about those ruins under the water...

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Sadly, no. Its just that the IOR is right smack dab in the middle of the landmasses, and Highpass was the center of Antonica.</DIV>

[Duhulk]

not to mention it would make some logical sense for high pass, one of the highest locations on the contintent, to be left as an island if the sea levels rose.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Also true.</DIV>

[betatester7]

well, we're going to know tomorrow in SOE Fan Faire, so, just wait a few hours for official words.

[troodon]

Is 32 months a board record for necro-posting?

[Wilin]

Innothule Swamp is back in the new expansion as the Moors of Ykesha.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Cusa, I remember that Highpass, at the least Highkeep was still around and in fact the home of the Far Seas trading Company. Did that change without being passed on to the lore forums?</span>

[Mirander_1]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">Cusa, I remember that Highpass, at the least Highkeep was still around and in fact the home of the Far Seas trading Company. Did that change without being passed on to the lore forums?</span></blockquote>Look at the post dates <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">Cusa, I remember that Highpass, at the least Highkeep was still around and in fact the home of the Far Seas trading Company. Did that change without being passed on to the lore forums?</span></blockquote>Look at the post dates <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Yes, please do. This thread was bumped up from obscurity back in early 2005.

[Meirril]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is 32 months a board record for necro-posting?</blockquote>I think I've seen a few 2004 posts dragged up from their graves. Either way a mod needs to come and stake this bad boy and put it to rest.

[Shareana]

As fun as it was to look down memory lane, this post is quite in the past....  we have a new future to look forward to! Closing this down since most of the new comments are about how old the post is  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> rather then the info that it contained....