Ashen Order

[roguestrike02]

<DIV>I am looking for info on the Ashen Ordre. I resentely started a monk that wants to bring the ashen order back to freeport. Ofcourse to do this she would have to somehow overthrow the Overlord but that is something she will have to figure out on her own. But yea any info on the Ashen order would help me out witn my rp alot.</DIV>

[Kondul]

Why overthrow the Overlord? Just get his approval to recreate the Order as a guild of Bruisers. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[roguestrike02]

Well for her she couldent do that she just can't stand how the overlord runs things. That is why she currently lives in Qeynos. She knows that the overlord is evil and it would be agenst her moral compus to work with him in any way.

[Cusashorn]

You know, from a roleplaying point of view, a true monk of the Ashen Order would *NEVER* think or attempt to overthrow the current ruling government of a city. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Ashen Order worships Quellious, Goddess of Peace and Tranquility.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What that means is, they're pacifists who never raises a fist unless it's in self defense or in the best interests of protecting others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From a Dungeons and Dragons standpoint, they're Neutral-Good and Orderly.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>11-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:55 PM</span>

[roguestrike02]

Thats kinda the point. She is not a monk of the ashen order all she knows of them are from hre guardian (parrent) that raised her telling her of stories of what freeport used to be. (she will eventualy find this out that her plans are not what a real monk would do but that will be later in her career when she makes it to dof) She thanks its a travisty that the real freeport is nothing like the stories she was told and wants to make it like them. Its a flaw i know but that is something she will need to learn eventualy.

[Redbed]

<DIV>Going off of memory here, Khenuer Closk founded the Ashen Order.  EQLive featured his Grandson Puab Closk and theres 3 books about Puab and the Ashen Order in one of the instances in Pillers of Flame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Khenuer had a vision of Quellious who inspired him to create an order of monks dedicated to perfecting themselves with inner harmony and Tranquility.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eventually that dogma pretty much insinuated itself as the primal monk creed.  It even infested the Silent Fist which at the time (based in Quellious) sought physical perfection for its own sake, not for inner peace, dont even get me started on how badly the Court of Pain was assimilated into the Tranquility Codex.  Its almost as if the philosophical starting points have become juxtaposed.  Original Silent Fist was more akin to how Bruisers are then how they are now, mostly based on the old Ashen Order philosophy.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Re-estiblish the Ashen Order, Just rename the Silent Fist.  Their the same thing.  Even the Real Ashen Order in POF isnt the same as it was.  They just wear the tattered remenants.  They no longer understand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know.  I understand.  I was there!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the Ashen Order has no place in Freeport now!  But Im all for overthrowing the Overlord.  If the little nancy boy would ever show himself.  I think I speak for 99% of Freeport.  He ever comes down, he better be hyped up to nagafan levels or he will get ganked.  </DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redbed wrote:<BR> <DIV>Going off of memory here, Khenuer Closk founded the Ashen Order.  EQLive featured his Grandson Puab Closk and theres 3 books about Puab and the Ashen Order in one of the instances in Pillers of Flame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Khenuer had a vision of Quellious who inspired him to create an order of monks dedicated to perfecting themselves with inner harmony and Tranquility.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eventually that dogma pretty much insinuated itself as the primal monk creed.  It even infested the Silent Fist which at the time (based in Quellious) sought physical perfection for its own sake, not for inner peace, dont even get me started on how badly the Court of Pain was assimilated into the Tranquility Codex.  Its almost as if the philosophical starting points have become juxtaposed.  Original Silent Fist was more akin to how Bruisers are then how they are now, mostly based on the old Ashen Order philosophy.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Re-estiblish the Ashen Order, Just rename the Silent Fist.  Their the same thing.  Even the Real Ashen Order in POF isnt the same as it was.  They just wear the tattered remenants.  They no longer understand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know.  I understand.  I was there!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the Ashen Order has no place in Freeport now!  But Im all for overthrowing the Overlord.  If the little nancy boy would ever show himself.  I think I speak for 99% of Freeport.  He ever comes down, he better be hyped up to nagafan levels or he will get ganked.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Understand what? I was a Human Monk back then and I'm a Human Monk now. I payed attention to all the lore behind the Ashen Order. They're still the same as they were back then.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Redbed]

<P>Understand this.</P> <P>You have two factions of the Ashen Order, The Ashen Order and the Ashen Disciples.  Ashen Order holds to the old ways and the Disciples promote a more militant agenda to re-taking freeport or whatever it is they actually want, never got a good answer...their your typical rebels without a cause.  </P> <P>The Order make a show about holding to the ways of tranquility but the things they ask you do....aint #$(*ing Tranquil.  They are hypocrites.  Plain and simple.  They go through the motions but they dont really believe in Tranquility.  Example, killing off scorps and cats.  Each is in their own area and while aggro they dont bother anyone that dont bother them first.  That aint the Quellious way.  It takes more to be tranquil then sitting on a rug staring at the sunset.  </P> <P>Disciples ....the disciples are just jerks.  They try to be more bruiserish then monks but their still Posers.  Im still contemplateing whether I even want to finish their quest line now that I know all I get out of it is a funny name that will remain with all my other funny names, unused.  Ebon Dragon and 1 gold will get you a cup of weak Majdul creamed coffee on my server.</P> <P>Make no mistake, They're all gonna start tripping and falling on my fist as soon as I can get a party going willing to take the faction loss.  Likely even if I dont have a party I figure I can take out a few of them.</P> <P>I dont like monks.  Went into Elder Grove one time to see the female monk hotties, walked into the Silent Fist and saw that Doofus standing in the shaft of sunlight, pretty much made me sick.  I left a mess in the corner and went to find a few guards to help me out of the city, I wanted to leave so fast.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redbed wrote:<BR> <P>Understand this.</P> <P>You have two factions of the Ashen Order, The Ashen Order and the Ashen Disciples.  Ashen Order holds to the old ways and the Disciples promote a more militant agenda to re-taking freeport or whatever it is they actually want, never got a good answer...their your typical rebels without a cause.  </P> <P>The Order make a show about holding to the ways of tranquility but the things they ask you do....aint #$(*ing Tranquil.  They are hypocrites.  Plain and simple.  They go through the motions but they dont really believe in Tranquility.  Example, killing off scorps and cats.  Each is in their own area and while aggro they dont bother anyone that dont bother them first.  That aint the Quellious way.  It takes more to be tranquil then sitting on a rug staring at the sunset.  </P> <P>Disciples ....the disciples are just jerks.  They try to be more bruiserish then monks but their still Posers.  Im still contemplateing whether I even want to finish their quest line now that I know all I get out of it is a funny name that will remain with all my other funny names, unused.  Ebon Dragon and 1 gold will get you a cup of weak Majdul creamed coffee on my server.</P> <P>Make no mistake, They're all gonna start tripping and falling on my fist as soon as I can get a party going willing to take the faction loss.  Likely even if I dont have a party I figure I can take out a few of them.</P> <P>I dont like monks.  Went into Elder Grove one time to see the female monk hotties, walked into the Silent Fist and saw that Doofus standing in the shaft of sunlight, pretty much made me sick.  I left a mess in the corner and went to find a few guards to help me out of the city, I wanted to leave so fast.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>The Disciples ARE bruisers though. Only players from Freeport can do their quests. They are jerks though. You're right about that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the Ashen Order... Well. You'd have to be one of them to understand them. I understand them, as I have never been anything else.</DIV>

[Redbed]

<DIV>Disciples are not Bruisers.  They didnt go down to  Serpent Sewars and Go through the storage room instance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their Disciples.  Their no more Bruisers then Im an Elf!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So how does the current ashen order hold true to this statement you made previously?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"What that means is, they're pacifists who never raises a fist unless it's in self defense or in the best interests of protecting others."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How is in the best interest of protecting others when they send you to kill poor innocent NON-AGGRO Pointed Marlins?  Blanketfish?  Golden Fried Sun Hawks?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like I said, Hypocrites.  Say one thing, do another.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But thats Monks for you!  Thats why I got out!  "Balance in all things"  Explain to me the balance in allowing an item that increases the speed and damage of your fists but Dissallowing weapons of any other sort?  Explain to me the balance in allowing a buff that increases your haste 45% but dissalowing a buff that increases your haste 20% (not actual numbers but the gist is the same)?  Wheres the #$(*ing balance in that?  Huh?  You probely have no clue what Im talking about.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You understand nothing!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(This is all Roleplay, dont take anything personally....unless your roleplaying taking it personally...then thats cool)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Redbed on <span class=date_text>11-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:51 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Do you even READ the text when they give you the quest? They have you kill these fish because a true monk must be ready to survive on his own if needed. Having to catch your own food teaches you wisdom and reflects upon your own inner tranquility.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the Disciples ARE bruisers. ONLY PEOPLE FROM FREEPORT CAN DO THEIR QUESTS! There-for, the Disciples = Evil. Order = Good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Geeze I hate it when people don't roleplay, or even read the quest they're told to do.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>11-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 AM</span>

[Redbed]

<DIV>Plenty of Clusters of Fish, there.  No violence needed to get them.  You just cant admit the Hypocrasy can you?  No violence needed to gather from the shrubs.  The food angle isnt gonna work.  Dont try to justify it by claiming survival....unless your gonna go all the way and take the survival of the fittest approach....wheres that again in the Quellious Creed?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Heres a question.  They make Puab Closk out to be the pinnacle of Ashen Order, Fine, I got no problem with that.  I liked Puab much better then Lu Sun.  But would Puab be proud of the Ashen Order monks if he saw them now?</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To claim The Ashen Order is the same as it was is guillible.  But that was the whole problem with the Pacifistic Tranquility approach.  There always comes a time when there is no other option then to smack somebody down.  And its hard to reconcile that with a code.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bruisers aint got no code.  We dont even have a creed.  Hell, we dont even have an organization.    We're the only ones who are truely free!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But you all enjoy your little rock gardens and shafts of light.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redbed wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You just cant admit the Hypocrasy can you?  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yes. Yes I can. You would understand this if you actually bothered to READ the quests and get involved in them, instead of just running up to the NPC, clicking through options, and then go off and kill whatever is shown on your quest window.</DIV>

[Sannayven]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Do you even READ the text when they give you the quest? They have you kill these fish because a true monk must be ready to survive on his own if needed. Having to catch your own food teaches you wisdom and reflects upon your own inner tranquility.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the Disciples ARE bruisers. ONLY PEOPLE FROM FREEPORT CAN DO THEIR QUESTS! There-for, the Disciples = Evil. Order = Good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Geeze I hate it when people don't roleplay, or even read the quest they're told to do.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>11-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:58 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>umm, this cant be true. Because I have quests from Ashen order and Diciples. Both at the same time!</P> <P>Im a DE from Qeynos.<BR></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>To be sure, I was also offered only one quest from the disciples, from that one master under the cliff on the island, but after I completed it, I wasn't offered any more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And being a dark elf might have something to do with it too. Just a theory.</DIV>

[thesilverf]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And being a dark elf might have something to do with it too. Just a theory.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Naw, I received and completed one quest for the disciples from him as well with my main, Human From Qeynos.  <BR></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I'm a Human as well. I was refering that if he's getting more quests from the disciples than just the one from the one Master, then being a dark elf might have something to do with it.</DIV>

[Redbed]

<DIV>"Yes. Yes I can. You would understand this if you actually bothered to READ the quests and get involved in them, instead of just running up to the NPC, clicking through options, *and then go off and kill whatever is shown on your quest window*"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah.....you've obviously never dealt with Shing Ho.  Cause thats EXACTLY WHAT HE TELLS YOU TO DO!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look this is getting us nowhere.  Im right, The Monks have fallen from their ways and I have cited specific instances.  Your only refutetation is telling me Im wrong and to read the quest text....at least copy and paste to cite your points...but you cant be bothered to even do that.  You cant just tell me Im wrong, say its in some writing you wont even quote and then put your hands over your ears and scream LAL LALALLALALALALALAALALALAALALAAAAALLLAAAA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh wait, your a monk, thats what your kind does.  The original poster wants to know of the Ashen Order.  Its gone.  All that existed of the Quellious Monks lies in Qeynos.  The Desert Faction....they arent the Ashen Order.  They have the name, But thats it.  Their rats.  They are rats that are trapped and are eating themselves in a canabilistic orgy.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let them die.  Heck, Im gonna help a few of them along.  Monks, Disciples?  Who cares, they all die!</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redbed wrote:<BR> <DIV>"Yes. Yes I can. You would understand this if you actually bothered to READ the quests and get involved in them, instead of just running up to the NPC, clicking through options, *and then go off and kill whatever is shown on your quest window*"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah.....you've obviously never dealt with Shing Ho.  Cause thats EXACTLY WHAT HE TELLS YOU TO DO!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look this is getting us nowhere.  Im right, The Monks have fallen from their ways and I have cited specific instances.  Your only refutetation is telling me Im wrong and to read the quest text....at least copy and paste to cite your points...but you cant be bothered to even do that.  You cant just tell me Im wrong, say its in some writing you wont even quote and then put your hands over your ears and scream LAL LALALLALALALALALAALALALAALALAAAAALLLAAAA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh wait, your a monk, thats what your kind does.  The original poster wants to know of the Ashen Order.  Its gone.  All that existed of the Quellious Monks lies in Qeynos.  The Desert Faction....they arent the Ashen Order.  They have the name, But thats it.  Their rats.  They are rats that are trapped and are eating themselves in a canabilistic orgy.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let them die.  Heck, Im gonna help a few of them along.  Monks, Disciples?  Who cares, they all die!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just shut up. I'm sure nobody wants to hear your whining any longer anyway.</DIV>

[Redbed]

<DIV>Your right, Ill shut up now so we can all listen to you whine.  Your losing your composure....what would Quellious say?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. Disciples are evil monks...not Bruisers.  Scappers were supposed to be Good Bruisers in the long long ago.  But some developer thought the name was lame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S.S.  Its fitting that Quellious is a little girl, since thats what most monks hit like......like a little girl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah another monk defeated with just the power of my mind.  Your too easy.  If you have any friends on Nekultos or if you want to pay the $50 bucks we can always settle this Bruiser to monk!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>[OOC: /ON]</P> <P>I really do NOT want this to go off on a PvP tangent, so I am a bit reluctant to even bring this up, but as a Ranger, I have won every PvP encounter I have been in EXCEPT against a Bruiser.  I have won against Bruisers too, but it it has been a very near run thing, and they are the only class I have lost to in a dozen or so encounters.  It's a tough class.</P> <P>[OOC: /OFF]</P>

[Cusashorn]

Quit whining. you're sounding like a broken record at this point.

[Zentalas]

<div></div><p>/OOC ON</p><p> </p><p>*groan* my [Removed for Content] is bigger then your [Removed for Content]... guys just stop and stick to the facts. the Ashen order is in RO, look them up and see for yourself</p><p> </p><p>/OOC OFF</p>

[the]

Regardless if they're evil or not, this Bruiser is planning on doing his own little training class with one of the larger group of the Ashen order.  Bare knuckled style with the odds being 20vs1 and see if anyone of them will still be standing when I'm done. <div></div>

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redbed wrote:<BR> <DIV>Your right, Ill shut up now so we can all listen to you whine.  Your losing your composure....what would Quellious say?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. Disciples are evil monks...not Bruisers.  Scappers were supposed to be Good Bruisers in the long long ago.  But some developer thought the name was lame.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S.S.  Its fitting that Quellious is a little girl, since thats what most monks hit like......like a little girl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah another monk defeated with just the power of my mind.  Your too easy.  If you have any friends on Nekultos or if you want to pay the $50 bucks we can always settle this Bruiser to monk!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Dude, you need to calm down and take a Zoloft.</P> <P>Cusa is sometimes gives...intimidating remarks to lore, but he is always right.  He is right about this one too.  The Ashen Order gives you these quests to train yourself for survival out in the wilds.  Why does it make you kill fish instead of harvest?  No one wants to level up their gathering skill just to do a simple quest.</P>

[Kamimura]

<DIV>It just.. seems to me.. if you're harvesting the fish or killing it.. erm, either way it dies, you know? :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Yeah. We're pacifists, not naturalists. We have no qualms over killing a fish for the sake of eating.</DIV>