Communicating with other priests in raids

[Jazmynn]

<DIV>Our priests are currently not communicating very well in guild between each other.  Everyone is very skilled and equipped on their own. But as a team we need to grow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>I currently stagger buffs with the other defiler when he raids and communicate it through tells.  But considering we raid with between 5 and 12 healers that doesnt make enough communication...</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can you please post if you are part of a raiding guild, if you actually use a heal rotation and who is included in it and when you use it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also if there are other raid strategies used to waste less mana and increase each priests effectiveness?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dragonreal]

the most communication I've seen in raids in the guilds I've been in are rez macros, deciding who will handle the single target specialty heal, shammys splitting up their debuffing duties, and the mt clr/shammy telling me they won't use group direct heal and will leave it to me since as a druid, I do it best.<div></div>

[PhozFa]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jazmynn wrote:<div>Our priests are currently not communicating very well in guild between each other.  Everyone is very skilled and equipped on their own. But as a team we need to grow.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>I currently stagger buffs with the other defiler when he raids and communicate it through tells.  But considering we raid with between 5 and 12 healers that doesnt make enough communication...</div></div> <div> </div> <div>Can you please post if you are part of a raiding guild, if you actually use a heal rotation and who is included in it and when you use it?</div> <div> </div> <div>Also if there are other raid strategies used to waste less mana and increase each priests effectiveness?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>12 healers on a raid? thats insane</div>

[ecoskii]

<DIV>As a shammy I agree with any other shammies who will be buffing/debuffing at the start, we all 'Hail' anyone that we are rezzing, other than that I'm happy not to have yet more spam in my chat windows during raids.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do talk about setting up a dedicated /healer channel to discuss heal strategies on new mobs after each wipe but we haven't done that yet.</DIV>

[arieste]

<P>we have a dedicated healer chat channel, mainly we use it to:</P> <P>assign curers (when necessary)</P> <P>assign debuffers (we generally have 2 defilers, the one out of the MT group usually debuffs, but if there are dual/multiple/highly-resistant mobs we will share duties)</P> <P>split healers (for fights that require multiple tankage)</P> <P>95% of this is done prior to the fight as during fights adjusments are mainly done on the fly via voice-chat</P> <P>This is actually something that a healing parser can help you with.  ** WARNING:  healing parser is 90% useless, do not judge anyone by it!** With that warning out of the way, what you can do is post healing parses in the channel after named mob, and people can judge what they are doing.  Max % of heals doesnt mean best healing, you gotta remember that.  BUT, if you were healing your little butt off the whole fight and are at 3% of total heals, you are probably not stacking with someone and should re-think your or the other person's casting strategy.   On the other hand, if you are debuffing the whole fight and parse at 1% of total heals, doesn't mean you suck, just that you were doing a good job debuffing.   </P> <P> Healerchat is also great for making fun of scouts and mages dying, i highly recommend it.</P>

[Late]

My guild also uses a healer channel. All the healers are required to be in it and it's the best way we've found to organize things.For our 2 defilers, we usually split up the debuffs as well as things like Bane of Prot, etc. We also split up warding of the MT. Depending on the difficulty of the fight, the defiler in the MT group is responsible for group wards, one outside the MT group handles singles. (this is especially handy if your tank is taking alot of damage or not very well geared, etc. The constant stacking of grp/single wards is nice when you're learning encs) It's not always needed, but its just an example of organization.The same applies to other healers as well. Our druids use it so they don't end up overwriting each other HoTs, or thorns. Templars do the same for their reactives and spurn, etc. Everyone knows who is responsible for spam curing, if needed. It just makes for a much more organized healer group. It's also a great way to learn about other healers abilities. Even when we aren't raiding, there's alot of conversation in our healer chat. All our healers are a pretty tight knit group, and I think part of that reason is because we talk so much in healer chat.Oh and it is a great place to make fun of those few classes that die alot. Kind of a 'what happens in healer chat, stays in healer chat' thing..<div></div>

[Eileithia]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PhozFate wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jazmynn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Our priests are currently not communicating very well in guild between each other.  Everyone is very skilled and equipped on their own. But as a team we need to grow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>I currently stagger buffs with the other defiler when he raids and communicate it through tells.  But considering we raid with between 5 and 12 healers that doesnt make enough communication...</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can you please post if you are part of a raiding guild, if you actually use a heal rotation and who is included in it and when you use it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also if there are other raid strategies used to waste less mana and increase each priests effectiveness?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>12 healers on a raid? thats insane<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have to agree.. 12 is OVERKILL!.. this is where you start running into issues with not enough DPS to get mobs down. I would say MAX 8 healers on a raid.. and even then it's a little much.. Basically you need 3 in your MT group (one each cleric/druid/shammy) Throw an inquiz into a melee DPS group.. Warden into the mage group, and any other shammy/clerics in your offtank groups. You will need to re-arrange your healers based on what the encounter calls for. (group cures, dual tanking etc) If you have one of each healing class, this is what I would do.  MT Group (Defiler, Templar, Fury). Offtank/melee group. (Inquiz/Mystic). Mage Group (Warden). Scouts (Inquiz/Mystic). This should give you the most benefit for everyone's buffs healing abilities etc. This is NOT the only way of doing it, but it works quite well. If you're dual tanking, move the Inquiz and Mystic into the offtank group for reactives/wards. Wardens are the kings of fast healing, and work great in the Mage group along with their INT buffs to keep the squishies going..</P> <P>As for communication. the Healers in your MT group are responsible for keeping Group Wards/Reactives/Regens up on the tank as much as possible. Let the other healers use their single target wards/reactives/regens on the MT if it's only a one tank fight. If you have multiples of any healing class. make sure they work out who's doing what for debuffs. Don't want to overwrite, or be debuffing past the cap as it's a waste of power.. if you have one of every priest class in your raid then just about everyone can be debuffing to their hearts content for the most part.</P> <P>Again, this is not the ONLY way you can set up, but a good place to start if you're just getting into the raiding scene, and arent' sure where to put all those pesky healers.</P>

[Dragonreal]

<div><blockquote><hr>Duntzzzz wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> PhozFate wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Jazmynn wrote: <div>Our priests are currently not communicating very well in guild between each other.  Everyone is very skilled and equipped on their own. But as a team we need to grow.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>I currently stagger buffs with the other defiler when he raids and communicate it through tells.  But considering we raid with between 5 and 12 healers that doesnt make enough communication...</div></div> <div> </div> <div>Can you please post if you are part of a raiding guild, if you actually use a heal rotation and who is included in it and when you use it?</div> <div> </div> <div>Also if there are other raid strategies used to waste less mana and increase each priests effectiveness?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <hr> </blockquote>12 healers on a raid? thats insane</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I have to agree.. 12 is OVERKILL!.. this is where you start running into issues with not enough DPS to get mobs down. I would say MAX 8 healers on a raid.. and even then it's a little much.. Basically you need 3 in your MT group (one each cleric/druid/shammy) Throw an inquiz into a melee DPS group.. Warden into the mage group, and any other shammy/clerics in your offtank groups. You will need to re-arrange your healers based on what the encounter calls for. (group cures, dual tanking etc) If you have one of each healing class, this is what I would do.  MT Group (Defiler, Templar, Fury). Offtank/melee group. (Inquiz/Mystic). Mage Group (Warden). Scouts (Inquiz/Mystic). This should give you the most benefit for everyone's buffs healing abilities etc. This is NOT the only way of doing it, but it works quite well. If you're dual tanking, move the Inquiz and Mystic into the offtank group for reactives/wards. Wardens are the kings of fast healing, and work great in the Mage group along with their INT buffs to keep the squishies going..</p><hr></blockquote>uhhh I think you got your druids mixed up... wardens don't get any int buffs whatsoever and provide nothing to a mage group except healing</div>

[Vazi]

I think they are alluding to the fact that almost every raid mage will have capped INT.

[Dragonreal]

I kinda doubt ti since s/he specifically said "..along with their int buffs to keep the squishies going.." in reference to wardens... wardens have no int buffs at all. And besides that.. it doesn't really matter if mages have capped int NOW, cuz they're not going to after eof in a few weeks =p<div></div>

[TheBladesCaress]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jazmynn wrote:<div>Our priests are currently not communicating very well in guild between each other.  Everyone is very skilled and equipped on their own. But as a team we need to grow.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>I currently stagger buffs with the other defiler when he raids and communicate it through tells.  But considering we raid with between 5 and 12 healers that doesnt make enough communication...</div></div> <div> </div> <div>Can you please post if you are part of a raiding guild, if you actually use a heal rotation and who is included in it and when you use it?</div> <div> </div> <div>Also if there are other raid strategies used to waste less mana and increase each priests effectiveness?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>I am in a raiding guild.  We generally run with 6 or 7 healers, and we use no organised rotation or /tells or heal channel at all.  Most fights, the 3 MT priests (Defiler, Warden, Templar) will be healing MT, and all other priests DPSing and group regenning.  eg our 2 Furies do 1 group each, and both are fully DPS specced and they try not to heal at all <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>If you have more than one Shaman, the MT one can group/single ward, and the off group Shaman can single ward and debuff.  Single wards stack from very well (on hard fights) to not at all (on very easy fights), so both doing singles is not a problem.</div>

[Vazi]

<DIV>Ah yeah missed that last sentence.   Clearly mixing up fury and warden.</DIV>

[Eileithia]

Ya.. my bad.. I always get the INT/Wiz buffs mixed up between the 2 Druids :smileytongue:

[dacat]

We just coordinate before pull who is what, at what point does next shammy pick up single wards based on MT shammy power.

[Eileithia]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dacat wrote:<BR>We just coordinate before pull who is what, at what point does next shammy pick up single wards based on MT shammy power.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Honestly.. on trash it doesn't matter.. but named mobs hit so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] hard sometimes that pretty much every shammy can be putting up single target wards as they're going to get pounded in 1-2 hits.. but if you are running into power problems, I would have the MT shammy do Group only and Debuffs/cures when needed, and have any shammy outside of the MT group doing their single-target stuff.