why are there so many people that dont know that a defiler is a healer?

[Killerbee3000]

<DIV>so i have a lvl 47 defiler alt, it happened to him several times now that he got invites to groups and then people start complainig about that there is no healer in the group. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im usually about 5 lvl's below the average lvl of the people in the groups and keep the group alive against mobs that con yellow to the group, but before the actual killing begins people keep asking why there is no helaer in the group, so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is wrong with the community of eq2? why do so many poeple not even know that a defiler has the ability to heal? im not even asking from them to have a detailed knowledge of all my buffs debuffs heals nukes and so on, how can it be that ther are peopel at lvl 50 that dont even know that a defiler is a priest class and because of that can heal?</DIV>

[Sakz]

<div></div>The funniest thing happened to me with guilders group last night.After the lowest of the group (was 44) got aggroed by a bunch of lil mobs, he was scared and jumped offby a cliff....result...SPLAT! He died !After some moments of embarassing silence he kept ask in Teamspeak... "can anybody resurrect me??" while i was standing really near his corpse ^_^P.s. He is an INQUISITOR <span>:smileyvery-happy:edit:  because i told wronlgy conjurer hihihihi</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Sakz on <span class=date_text>07-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:55 PM</span>

[DrozZett]

I can heal? :o

[surolan]

<P>I remember once in the old days of broken defilers that i was in a group in Nek forest and after a wipe I got told by the group that I was "The worst tank they have ever grouped with" rofl rofl rofl :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and who remembers this old comment we always used to hear - "ok Grab the defiler LFG, ok now all we need is a healer!"</P>

[Eileithia]

<P>LOL.. our reputation has gotten a lot better since the infamous LU13, but there are still occations where I join a group, and the leader says.. OK.. all we need now is a healer and we're GTG.. it's usually at that point that I either:</P> <P>A) Heal my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off until the "other healer" gets bored and leaves.<BR>B) Call them a bunch of tools and leave the group.</P> <P>Seriously though.. if you're in a group after level 50, and they don't know that a Defiler is a healer, then you need to find another group, or hope you have a lot of money for repairs. :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[arieste]

<P>Q:  why are there so many people that dont know that a defiler is a healer?</P> <P>A:  because you don't need to fill out an IQ test to play this game, only your credit card number.</P> <P>also, please refer to signature.</P>

[VizP]

I havent had that happen in a long time since I was a low lvl.. well except I suppose once when I joined a group and it seemed the group realised they had a healer except one bard who stated 'all we need now is a healer and we are set to go' at which point someone replied 'we have a defiler' <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But Ive found it rare now - in fact I get random tells when I dont even have my lfg flag up to join groups. I think people are getting clued up fast which the 6 healer classes are especially since people are do desperate to have them and finding one can be rather hard at times.<div></div>

[Killerbee3000]

was more of a vent than something serious (it doesnt happen too often), but its a miralce to me how someone doesnt even know which classes do what can play, i mean, why does someone who shows so little interest in the game play it? how did those people decide what class they make their toon if they dont even know what classes do what?

[jfleming2003]

I actually had this happen not long ago. I needed an update for a quest and jumped in with some random people so I could get it. Was the first time in a long time that I had actually grouped with anyone outside of my raid/guild. If I remember correctly we had me, a Bezerker and 2 mages. Anyway, I got the widely known "All we need is a healer and we're gtg." I just rolled my eyes and thought to myself that this dude has to be the biggest [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] ever. So, they picked up a Templar and we were heading to the spawn point for the named we needed when the Templar asks "So, who's tanking?"...So, I'm not so sure if it has anything to do with our class neccessarily. I think there are just some stupid people out there who just don't know anything lol.

[JonnyMac]

Okay, I have a tip.  If someone doesn't know that a Defiler is a healer,  DO NOT GROUP WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH DUE TO COMPLETE STUPIDITY.  I hope this helps.

[Anduian Le'Suri]

<div><blockquote><hr>Killerbee3000 wrote:<div>so i have a lvl 47 defiler alt, it happened to him several times now that he got invites to groups and then people start complainig about that there is no healer in the group. </div> <div> </div> <div>im usually about 5 lvl's below the average lvl of the people in the groups and keep the group alive against mobs that con yellow to the group, but before the actual killing begins people keep asking why there is no helaer in the group, so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is wrong with the community of eq2? why do so many poeple not even know that a defiler has the ability to heal? im not even asking from them to have a detailed knowledge of all my buffs debuffs heals nukes and so on, how can it be that ther are peopel at lvl 50 that dont even know that a defiler is a priest class and because of that can heal?</div><hr></blockquote>I think the worst was pre LU 13 when everyone thought we were a scout class. I don't know how many times I joined a pickup group and heard "Ok cool thats the dps/scout slot, now we need to find a templar for a healer." I just usually went along with it and played the part and didn't bother to heal the noob who had made the offending statement. I think its the whole chain + class title that throws people off who have zero idea about shamens. The rise of the amount of defilers there are on servers now has helped this alot. If you are in a raiding guild, you would never ask this question of if a defiler was a healer in an open group. Anyone who doesn't know a defiler is a healer is subject to the noob stick and should be receive ample beatings about the cranium for their blunder!</div>

[Broomhilda]

In alot of other MMORPG's the Defiler is usually a Necromancer term. In EQOA Necro's could specialize in two areas and either become a Lich or a Defiler. But at this stage of the game (a year and a half later) people should get a clue! Ya think? My guess is that the people that didnt realize you were a healer were new to the game.

[radical_EDWARD]

believe it or not there are new players in the game that doesnt know what a defiler is. There are 24 different classes, for a new player it would be hard to remember them all.

[Karihi]

<DIV>Even at level 70 it is not much different.</DIV> <DIV>I remember levels and levels of no one knowing what a defiler even was.</DIV> <DIV>We were a rare/few and far between class....</DIV> <DIV>It has taken a very long time for us to kinda get on the map, but now it's flavour of the month.</DIV> <DIV>Once you group with them tho and they realize what you are, </DIV> <DIV>and more importantly - what you can do, they remember!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, no one would be terribly offended if they would just ASK what we do, politely.</DIV> <DIV>I have it listed in my profile thing they give me... I found that helps.</DIV> <DIV>But just to assume, that is your first mistake.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and my fav tank stupidity phrase - SPAM HEAL.... ok, i'll get right on that.... </DIV> <DIV>(might I add he was sitting not quite green, and health not moving thanks to wards -- [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn])</DIV><p>Message Edited by Karihi on <span class=date_text>07-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:35 AM</span>

[Judist]

<P>So I accept an invite to XP at the Celfts in DoF. We have a Zerker, Wiz, Conj, Defiler (me) AND Mystic. The leader says "ok we really need a healer for the last spot." Mystic and I leave group immediatly.</P> <P>Another good story. Group in TT for some basket quests. For healers theres me and a templar. After 30 mins of the templar having nothing to heal he breaks down, cries and says hes gonna delete his character. </P> <P>Favorite part of the convo was... "I didnt know what defiler's could do! Healers are worthless now!"</P> <P> </P> <P>I do agree many people still dont understand the concept of wards and shaman in general. It's why I'm so glad I picked this class for my alt. Even at lvl-53 I still stupify many players as to how powerful shaman can be. Always a good feeling.</P>

[Sharrah]

<P>I cant count how many times I was a solo healer in a group and the tank yells, crap we are dead. Then I say nah, your ok, and the group stays alive.  </P> <P>Yes, I remember in my 20-30s grouping with a templar and they would get bored because my wards did all the work.</P> <P>Just the other day, I was raiding with my guild and the warden (who should know better) said in vent, it is a wipe no healers are left up.  I was standing over his body..................all I said was "thanks". </P><p>Message Edited by Sharrah on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:38 AM</span>

[Bjerde]

I have gotten a few /tells from people asking me if I am a healer before I join the group. At least they ask : ) But, yes I have been in a group, and they say "now we just need a healer". I take the opportunity to educate people when that happens ^.^I think this partly comes from our name, Defiler just doesn't sound like a healer. It sounds like a Necro-type class (as Broom pointed out, in one game it is).Another good point mentioned is that some people are just kind of ignorant, or they aren't really paying attention. A healer asking "who is tanking" when there is one fighter class in the group has happened to me more than once, and I mean...do they really need to ask? lol/boggleRaven - 70 Defiler<div></div>

[Copperhed]

<div></div>my favorite was a few months ago, at lvl 70, we decided to do a vaults run for an update for one of our guildies. as there were no healers in guild, we decided to do the unthinkable.... find an LFG healer.he, a lvl 70 warden, shows up, joins the group, and as we are preparing to zone in, says 'dont we need a backup healer'?. i resisted the temptation to say 'what the hell do you think you are?' and instead said 'youve GOT to be kidding me'. after a few seconds of silence, i said 'tell me you arent serious', and he comes out with 'oh. your name looks like a necro name'. ....[Removed for Content]....?i have to wonder about someone so oblivious and self centered that they make it to lvl 70 without having at least some basic knowledge of other classes. im not exactly the most attentive person i know (if i manage to find my way down to naggy without backtracking or conning my bf into taking me, im quite proud, despite the fact ive been there well over 20 times. if i ever do it without a map it will be a miracle), and i may not know precisely what some classes bring to the table, but i can tell you their basic role, their 'type' (scout, tank, etc) and what kind of armor they wear. p.s. this particular warden spent his time nuking instead of healing, so im not entirely sure he knew his OWN role, much less mine. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Copperhed on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:04 AM</span>

[Macibaru]

I got a wierd one the other night, while out drinking with some RL friends/guildies.Dude #1, "Now all our guild needs is a defiler, and we're good to go."Me, "What the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] am I, chopped liver?"I rarely get, 'we need a healer'. I do often, though, get random /invites from people at odd hours, especially when I am out harvesting. <div></div>

[Eileithia]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Copperhed wrote:<BR> <P>p.s. this particular warden spent his time nuking instead of healing, so im not entirely sure he knew his OWN role, much less mine.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>HAHA.. Kanga.. I think I know EXACTLY who that warden is LOL!!!.. Not going to mention a name to save hurting anyone.. but [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that's funny! Ran accross this individual on a couple occations.. same thing every time.</P>

[Wendingo]

<P>I seem to be attracted to classes nobody else plays.  First, I agree that most people do not seem to realize defilers are healers because, lets face it, "defiler" does not exactly evoke images of making people feel better.  It also probably happens because there were not too many defilers for a long time.  Still do not feel bad.  My defiler is my favorite alt and, while he is misunderstood quite a bit (still pretty low level too), he has nothing on my main - a dirge.  Among the things I've heard in that role (in order of frequency):</P> <P>1.   Why aren't you/didn't you mez that add?</P> <P>2.   can you be the back up healer?</P> <P>3.   Rats, its a wipe no rezzer survived</P> <P>4.  Wow.  I seem to be doing more dps than normal</P> <P>5.  Can you tank?</P> <P>Message Edited by Wendingo on <SPAN class=date_text>07-24-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:56 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Wendingo on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 PM</span>

[jinxedup]

I also think it has something to do with pure laziness of others to not learn the names of other classes.  Can't tell you how many times someone joins a group and asks who is the Main Tank when there is only one tank in the group. 

[Supa Mint Flava]

<DIV>Wendingo, I have a 70 Dirge that was my main for the T5 and T6 raiding days, and in T7 leveled my Defiler to 70, and now he's my main.  Although I like my Dirge, I much prefer Defiler.....I just feel more useful overall in raid.  No saying Dirge isn't as necessary...it's just how I feel.  Can't tell you how many times the raid ends up wiping if I die, versus when I was playing Dirge.  But, as always, Dirge is the unsung hero.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've only had a couple of occasions where someone thought I was something else......One was while playing Dirge, they thought I was a Defiler.  The other was while playing Defiler, the group's druid left, and the Tank said, "Well, we'd better find a healer if we're going to continue".  I actually thought he meant we needed 2 healers....nope, he didn't realize I was a healer (our toons were T5 level at the time).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Really, anyone, particularly T4 and up, should have absolutely no excuse for not knowing what a Defiler is.  If they don't, you'd better run from that group, because it'll take you 2x as long to get to where you need to go, and with more deaths.</DIV>

[overfloat]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Copperhed wrote:<BR> <BR>he, a lvl 70 warden, shows up, joins the group, and as we are preparing to zone in, says 'dont we need a backup healer'?. i resisted the temptation to say 'what the hell do you think you are?' <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At least druids actually make efficient backup healers for us. I kind of feel sorry for clerics if our battles aren't too tough and my wards don't drop -- lord knows they aren't built for nuking instead!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've had the "we need a healer" comment in groups before. My favourite, though, is "HEAL PLZ" from the tank. Argh. Fighting on Bixie Isle in TT a few weeks ago, up against yellow and orange mobs, and we got several groups of respawns plus a named pop on us. Of course aggro is everywhere and everyone's health starts plummeting. I'm the only healer, so I'm throwing heals/wards left, right and center, siphoning power,  juggling recast timers and making continuous judgement calls on group member's lives, so I don't risk losing the tank but avoid getting people killed unnecessarily.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The tank eventually got aggro under control, we whittled the mobs down to just one and I was patting myself on the back for (IMHO <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) the finest piece of group healing in my Defiling career -- everyone in the group (including me) had been slammed down to a couple of pixels of health at an early stage of the fight, yet I hadn't lost anyone. It was still down to the wire: the last mob was nearly dead, the tank was at a sliver of health (but had a single-target ward, group ward and emergency single-target on him), and everyone was completely OOP -- the tank and scout were autoattacking the mob to death.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"<STRONG>HEAL PLZ</STRONG>" shouts the tank, obviously thinking I'm a lazy bugger because he hasn't seen his health rise in the last 5 minutes and thinks we're going to die to this last mob because I can't be bothered to heal him up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/smack forehead.  Dude, you may only have a sliver of health left but you still have nearly 6k in active wards on you. You think you survived the rest of the fight on your own? Your avoidance might be good, but it's not <EM>that</EM> good!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's the one drawback of having a tank who doesn't understand shamen and wards: they mistake good shielding for a hugely inflated sense of tanking ability. They'll either overpull because they think they're invulnerable, or you <EM>know </EM>that the moment you leave the group he'll get his butt kicked!</DIV><p>Message Edited by overfloater on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:11 PM</span>

[Guukaz]

<DIV>Still happens at lvl 70,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Get it all the time,  especially in tells......."hey are can you heal?" , my response , "A little"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Wendingo]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Supa Mint Flava wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wendingo, I have a 70 Dirge that was my main for the T5 and T6 raiding days, and in T7 leveled my Defiler to 70, and now he's my main.  Although I like my Dirge, I much prefer Defiler.....I just feel more useful overall in raid.  No saying Dirge isn't as necessary...it's just how I feel.  Can't tell you how many times the raid ends up wiping if I die, versus when I was playing Dirge.  But, as always, Dirge is the unsung hero.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That is exactly why I started my defiler too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  I still prefer the dirge and he is my "main" but the defiler is nowhere near 70.   I think you bring up another good point though.  I think people confuse the Dirge and Defiler because the names are somewhat similar and the classes tended to be a bit rare (I see more and more of each).  <BR></DIV>

[Falkounet]

Before lvl50 I rarely group without the "what is a defiler?" or "why are you slacking? hit the mob" or something like that. After the 50th lvl, these comment are less frequent, but still exist. But know at lvl70, I'm much more called for people raiding and needing shaman or specially a defiler. People at lvl70 are usally knowing our power, and really wants us with them. Just grab your lvl70 and you will see all these comment change from "what is a defiler ?" to "we wants you".PS: don't dream there is still many lvl70 that don't know what is a defiler, but they fewer than lower lvls.<div></div>

[Zendi_Perma]

<P>I was camping the restrainer in SOS with my bruiser and defiler.    I saw a level 60 necro LFG to kill the restrainer, so I invited him.     As he was making his way down through SOS, knowing he would die, he said "and neither of you can revive me if I die outside the door can you?."     Holding back my [Removed for Content] comment, I answered "that a defiler is a priest, so rezzing is in the job description."</P> <P>I then proceeded to show him what a defiler can do.</P>

[Elf_Queen]

<div></div>THat hasn't happened to me in a while thank god, we seem to have a healthy number of defilers on blackburrow, the least of all the priests though (probably because we're evil and people STILL think clerics are the best healers) at least enough so that people have had a chance to group with us and witness our POWER! muahaha.. but seriously, that had happened a lot previous to Lu13 and even if they knew we were a healer, they knew they needed another one! I grouped with a lot of stuck up guardians and people with old school mentality who believed guardians were the only tanks and clerics were the only healers they could have. Sad really! I think people have learned a little.. I think it is because a defiler in eq1 was the name for a necro, it confused me too at first until I read about them.  But that's why I played a defiler to begin with. Id never been the type to play priest classes, I stay away from cleric types like the plague. Druids in this game are tempting, but still a druid and very common.  So defiler sounded awesome, although I was hoping for more DPS closer to eq1 shaman LOL! But Im still happy with my choice, especially after I have to prove to people i can heal.. and well too.. and then they eat their words, hahaha Oh but i have to add, there are people who still think "warding" is not actually considered healing, and so, we are lousy healers because we don't have many "heal" spells, isn't that sad.. I have had to explain, no I dont heal that well but i dont bleeping well have to!  I wish the term for priests was changed from "healer" to something else, like.. Oh I dont know, lifesaver? One of the reasons I like my hubby being an sk is when his hp's do go down he likes it because he can use his lifetaps and heal himself,  and I like it too since id rather not cast those mana/health drainers anyways.<p>Message Edited by Elf_Queen on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:19 PM</span>

[Karihi]

<DIV>Oooh, I love that one.... "can you heal" "a little"  good one.</DIV> <DIV>I have no problem with the name Defiler, I like to be different. =)</DIV> <DIV>But yes, people are very ignorant. (+500dkp to those who used "ignorant" in the sentence correctly)</DIV> <DIV>I LOVE being a defiler, I don't think I would have had this much fun if I went a different class.</DIV> <DIV>Just screenshot it and laugh hard at their [Removed for Content].</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It takes all kinds to make the world go round....</DIV>

[zonedbob]

<P>Yup, its happend to me too quite recently with a bunch of 65-70s in a pick up group. <BR></P> <P>My technique for avoiding this kind abuse - and it is abuse - is to ask the tank "Do you prefer to be pre-warded?" when joining a group with a tank you don't know. That way, you avoid causing offence and the answer to the question will let you know whether the tank is jolt or dolt. <BR></P> <P>I joined a casual raid guild recently and it was very nice to be told, on my first ever proper raid, that I was parsing the highest heals. </P>

[SalBlu]

<P>I just started my alt Defiler a little while back and i've been casually playing him up to where he is now (lvl 26), but I know exactly what you are talking about.  I'm going to chalk most of that up to inexperienced newbies, but I really like these comments here:</P> <P>1) "Wow.. Bruiser tanks are awesome.  You didnt take a lick of damage that whole fight!"</P> <P>2) "We really need to find a healer if we're going to go any deeper into FG.  I cant just take all the damage the whole time."</P> <P>Really gets me how many lower lvl players dont know what wards are or how debuffs work.</P>

[Anduian Le'Suri]

<div><blockquote><hr>Duntzzzz wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Copperhed wrote: <div></div> <p>p.s. this particular warden spent his time nuking instead of healing, so im not entirely sure he knew his OWN role, much less mine.</p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>HAHA.. Kanga.. I think I know EXACTLY who that warden is LOL!!!.. Not going to mention a name to save hurting anyone.. but [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that's funny! Ran accross this individual on a couple occations.. same thing every time.</p><hr></blockquote>Why oh why oh why does the same name come to mind when i read this reply. One would say that when two of the top four raiding guilds on Najena KICK you from their guild, you might not know how to play any toon at all. <span>:smileytongue:</span>Dont worry dilagliG your Identity is safe with me! <span>:smileysurprised:</span></div>

[MrMartin]

<P>I think you guys are bashing on the other players a little to much here.</P> <P>First of all, the Defiler is a very rare class.</P> <P>Qeynos players might not even see their first Defiler until their 30s if they are lucky.</P> <P>Me personally grouped with my first Defiler at lvl 45ish. I had to ask what he could do then.<BR>Second time must have been a T7 raid.</P> <P>I think in all my 70 lvls I've grouped/raided with a Defiler only a handfull of times.</P> <P>Mystics are almost as rare.</P> <P>It's a shame cause they both are great classes.<BR>That's why I now have a low lvl Defiler twink. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Kimage]

<P>My fav was the other day I had an old guildie ask me the other day to help out in Egg - they needed a healer and I said sure -- as most groups can run through there in an hour now... I get there the tank starts pulling and says -- WOW my health didn't even move -- Kisy your gonna get off easy you may not even need to throw any of your pally heals. Somehow he thought I was a PALLY!!!   We get to Chamberlin and he says - thanks Kisy but I think we will be fine if you need to go - my health hasn't hardly moved all through here.. as I'm thinking to my self yea thats ward power.... my friend sends me a tell and says you want me to tell him that your a [Removed for Content] healer! I told him nah but afterwards you can tell him he made himself look like a total [Removed for Content]!</P> <P> </P> <P>So just incase you all didn't know we are apparently a Pally not healers - but tanks with heals!</P> <P> </P> <P>btw - there were 4 of us - a zerker ( the tank lvl 65&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and two mages ( 66 & 63 ). </P>

[Elf_Queen]

omg I love it when people are like "wow, so and so tank is so awesome!" and I usually group with my hubby SK tanking and a lot of ppl who join us just think he's the bomb! I mean I think he's a good tank even if SK's may not be THE best, and he works his butt off getting agro , but these people have no idea sometimes the work I go thru to keep his health full lol! Maybe the fight looks easy to them when they are off casting or hacking away and never seeing the tank go below yellow... Oh ps, why would you ask a tank if you can pre-ward? I always preward especially hard fights, I see no reason so far why we shouldnt. Maybe agro but I rarely get it unless its a big messy pull.. then other people get it too.  I dont like to have to "catch up" the healing since our heals and wards are slow, it's not a good place to be in having to heal people up to full and ends up being a power drain.

[Spangles]

<DIV>"Qeynos players might not even see their first Defiler until their 30s if they are lucky." - Mr Martin</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is so true.  I remember when I got my first ever toon, a Qeynos based guardian, up to Lvl 25 and got taken giant hunting in TS.  That was the very first time I had ever seen any of the classes from Freeport and I had to get my manual out to find out what they were and what they did!  Shortly afterwards I binned that toon, jumped server and started fresh with a Necro, followed closely by my defiler.  I opted to go for a defiler at the time because it was the one class that I had never seen in the 2-3 months I had been playing, it sounded very cool in the manual and I wanted something different (there were necros everywhere!).  What a great decision that turned out to be.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since then I have seen my fair share of comments, which have all appeared elsewhere in the thread and it made me chuckle to read through them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But Mr Martin has a valid point.  Some of the closetted do-gooders from Qeynos don't necessarily know what a defiler is and it is unfair to give them a hard time about it until they are at least Lvl 35+ <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Having said that, most toons going through the starter islands are twinks now, anyway!  Ah, never mind, give them both barrels and make them look small in front of their mates <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Macibaru]

I think the original insult was directed at people of raid levels not knowing. By 40, unless you solo exclusively in instanced zones, you should have been in a group with just about every class, and should have at the very least overheard one or two of the constant class discussions going on in the /level chat rooms or heard someone bragging about their main who is a X and loves doing Y.Hell, I do (almost) solo exclusively in instanced zones and I know that a Troubador ain't a chanter, and that Brigands play with aggro the way kids play with sand, and that Zerker's own total carnage. I don't think it's too much to expect that they all know that I can 'heal'.<div></div>

[Judist]

<P>Only thing I've come to regret as a defiler is making these sub-par, T4 or T5 tanks GODS with my wards. I'm talking about these crappy "recreational" tanks who havent used a shaman until me. </P> <P>I play real late at night and I cant be too picky with who I group with. So often I group with tanks with horrible mit... and I mean mit thats lower than mine. However with some hard work and great timing I manage to keep them alive if not always in the green.</P> <P>However when I leave, replacement healers have a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near impossible time keeping these crap-tanks alive, and often get flammed by these tanks for being crappy healers, which theyre not.</P> <P>I know its not my problem except now when I log-in I get soooooooo many tells and blind invites from these guys who beg me to play in their groups.</P> <P>One zerker actually argued with me because I wouldnt group with him anymore. After a quick investigation I noticed he had not been able to level since I last played with him, while I had gained about 8 levels myself. </P> <P>Hopefully this will all go away when I hit T7. </P> <P> </P>

[Elf_Queen]

Its funny because even if a tank rarely leaves the green, what we do in a fight can be a huge difference between a good tank and a bad one, its either ward once, throw some debuffs, dot, nuke, go to the washroom, .. or with a bad tank its ward ward, oh crap ward, debuff like a badwoman as fast as humanly possibe, (at this point probably needs a sacrificial heal and boy does it bother me when i cant ward a tank through a regular fight) ward, ward, ward..

[The_Brute]

<DIV>It's a running joke with my guildmates about defilers not being healers.  It all started back in my early 20s when we picked up an assassin to do some tracking for us.  (on Nagefen PvP)  The other non-regular person in the group made the comment: "Now all we need is a healer and we'll own the Qs"  So, from that moment on, my defiler has not been a healer.  I'm just dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think one thing that alot of players don't realize is the value of the defiler.  Especially on a pvp server.  We've run into groups that should have beaten us.  If they had stuck around and not used evac - we would have lost.  But, fighting a group whose health just doesn't drop at all is rather demoralizing.  Wards rule.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-The Brute</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Zymotic on Nagafen)</DIV>

[Judist]

<P>Even better, wear a robe in your group. Often you'll be targeted first by the other group. Just keep warding and healing yourself while the rest of your group takes the others out. </P> <P>If things get bad just re-equip you chain chest for a nice suprize to the enemy and a lil extra mit.</P>

[Flor]

<P>I have a level 70 fury and because we are so lacking for shaman types in our guild, I rolled up a defiler and love this class.  We've started raiding recently and not having other types of healing classes has begun to hurt us badly.  I got her to level 32 so far and is just so awesome in a group.  Allthough I love my fury, my defiler seems to not have work as hard at keeping people alive.  I have gotten a few comments from folks in the 20's and 30's when I've been in pickup groups questioning what my class does.  Hopefully folks will be a bit more educated at higher levels and questions will taper off but I still have to explain to quite a few folks exactly what a shaman type of class does.  </P> <P>So far in our regular group of bruiser, necro, coercer, and defiler, there isn't much that we can't take on.  All we need is a regular bard  to join us and we will be perfect, hehe.</P>

[Hukklebuk]

<div><blockquote><hr> Oh ps, why would you ask a tank if you can pre-ward? I always preward especially hard fights, I see no reason so far why we shouldnt. Maybe agro but I rarely get it unless its a big messy pull.. then other people get it too.  I dont like to have to "catch up" the healing since our heals and wards are slow, it's not a good place to be in having to heal people up to full and ends up being a power drain. <hr></blockquote>if you pre-ward on a body pull (distance based aggro pull) that mob is coming straight for you.  Not a problem in a lot of cases, but in some situations, it can and will get you killed.  So sometimes asking isn't a bad idea.thankfully those situations aren't to common, but it's something you may want to be aware of, particularly in the more dangerous instances.</div>

[stgninja]

<P>So there I was in RoV with a guard, warlock, coercer, conjurer, and a pally.  The guard (who ended up being MT) was twinked to hell and he had The Loyal title so I know he's been around a while.  Next thing I know the guard tells the group that the conjurer will be the main healer...and yes he was serious. </P> <P>Ebay FTW?</P>

[Themaginator]

so wait let me get this straight...defilers can heal?<span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[Fusion8]

been like that from the start of the game, and the wierd thing is even today you get the odd person think were every thing but a healer... JJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBAAAAYYYYYYYYY lol