tendrills of horror

[posseder]

<div>in the last few months since combat change i have tried to find a raid guild to run my defiler to no effect as every guild on my server are using mystic that tells me that the class balance is not there cause i did find guilds  who wanted to use a defiler but it always came down to the fact that our tendrills of horror are a proc not  and actual reactives like the templars so the answer was sorry but i have 24 people here to tank for and i cant wish for you your debuff to come on i need a more solid class therefore the mystic get the job even in guilds who want to use a defiler. another issue is the range of our spiritual circle the mystic have a ward augmente spell with a raid range 20 meter so they ward more in a raid therefore are better and get the job. that is sad since some of us defilers  work every hard to bring the shamans where they are today with feedback and forum post all for on reason to have a fair shot at being the raid shaman not to be cut down by the dev who know all too well the impact of those 2 spell being set up in this matter.i ask help from all defilers on this issue reply to this tread and write feedback to the devs cause without those 2 spell fix properly there is no balance in the class the mystic is stronger.tendrills of horror need to react when target take damage not a chance to a react, spiritual circle as to be 20 meter range for raid or you will never be the raid shaman the mystic is just better thats not balance.</div>

[masoninc61]

<div>O.o</div>

[NurseNam]

<div></div><div></div><p>I'm not trying to flame you but if you want to get your point across.....use punctuations.  It is so hard to read that I gave up after the first line. </p><p>But other then that, I can't comment cause it hurts my eyes.</p><p> </p><p>**Edited** I saw some punctuations but you are not capalizing the first letter in a sentence. Also, try spacing when you finish a sentence. </p><p>Message Edited by NurseNammy on <span class="date_text">03-09-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:01 PM</span></p>

[IngridS]

<div>Yeah, gotta admit the punctuation thing made your post quite difficult to follow. As far as raiding with a defiler goes- we've done quite nicely with a defiler in our mt grp. Two healers in there works very well. I don't actually have to do a lot of healing, just debuffs and wards. We have another defiler now, so we might end up with one in mt grp and one in dps grp.</div>

[Simpdad]

<div></div><p>Very lost on the puntuaction and the comparison of Tendrils vs. a reactive heal by a Templar. The majority or raiding guilds I know have a defiler in the MT group...one of the main complaints of Mystics if u check out the mystic boards. This almost appears to be a reply to a Mystics concern about shaman balance but why the Templar comparison???</p><p>I know a few guilds on my server looking for good Defilers to fill raids forces so its not the class IMO.</p>

[Quaan]

<div></div>That post made my eyes bleed.....started trying to read it but gave up <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[radical_EDWARD]

<div><===== MT shaman <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> npu.guildportal.com come see what u can kill</div>

[jfleming2003]

Yeah, was really difficult to read and I gave up trying to figure out what he was trying to say too. Anyway, Tendrills of Horror is a proc that decreases attack speed and DPS. How can it in any way be compared to the Templar reactives since they are heals? (maybe I'm not quite understanding the OP correctly)Also, if Tendrills procs every time the target takes damage, it would be slightly overpowered IMO. I mean, add that in with our other debuffs that slow attack speed and/or DPS.9 times out of 10 I'm in the MT group in my raid guild and I know that Defilers are in high demand (or were before merge at least). Also, being in MT versus not being in MT doesn't mean you're a better healer, nor does it mean you're any less valuable.<p>Message Edited by jfleming2003 on <span class="date_text">03-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:06 AM</span></p>

[sostrows]

to the OP...you need to look around for another guild.we roll raid with 3 shaman ~ defiler in MT and OT, mystic in MT or DPS grp.and Tendrils owns and I have seen it proc on every raid as the MT grp defiler.  To me, Tendrils is a key reason why we're in MT grp over a mystic.<div></div>

[Tanit]

Paragraphs are your friend!<div></div>

[Jazmynn]

<div></div>I am always in the MT group, despite having 2 active mystics....

[posseder]

<div>first of all it does matter if you are not in mg cause you cant put tendrills on mt or  your max health...second, the tendrills are the  equivalent of a templar or inquisitor  reactive heal it reacts a debuff instead of a heal but it is our reactive none the less... but the templar's or inquisitor  reactive are not a % they just react heals everytime...third, it would not make us overpowered because we have that skill its just not reliable...fourth,if your not a defiler your opinion doesnt matter to me</div>

[masoninc61]

You cant really compare our debuff, and the way a cleric heals.<div></div>

[Argyuile]

<div>I'm always in the MT group as well and the post also made my eyes bleed.</div>

[ScareCrow144]

<div></div><p>Comparing any of the Tendrils line with reactive heals doesnt make sense. If your guild isnt smart enough to put a defiler in the MT group that is their loss. The sad fact is that most shaman dont play very well and therefore get banished to "random people who showed up to the raid late" group.</p><p> </p><p>Aluc 70 Defiler --- Iniquity</p>

[Gimmiso]

ok yeah i didnt read all that either.I am also always in the MT group in Raids, so I am not sure why your guild thinks you shouldn't be.<div></div>

[posseder]

<div></div>perhaps this server bad for defilers... but its not just me there is no raid guild who use a defiler in mg none...and from the answers i got here not gonna change anytime soon.

[jfleming2003]

<blockquote><hr>posseder wrote:<div>first of all it does matter if you are not in mg cause you cant put tendrills on mt or  your max health...second, the tendrills are the  equivalent of a templar or inquisitor  reactive heal it reacts a debuff instead of a heal but it is our reactive none the less... but the templar's or inquisitor  reactive are not a % they just react heals everytime...third, it would not make us overpowered because we have that skill its just not reliable...fourth,if your not a defiler your opinion doesnt matter to me</div><hr></blockquote>Whoa, no need to get your panties in a wad. If you look at my post, and many of the other, you'll see the big huge colorful pictures and you'll realize that yes, we are Defilers. Obviously those in this post that may not be a Defiler know more about the class than you probably do.Now, as far as Tendrils being equivilent to reactive HEALS....ummm, no they're not equivilent. One is a HEAL the other is a DEBUFF. Not at all the same thing. So it is understandable that Tendrils is a percent chance at a proc.Now, as far as not beind in MT grp, you can still put your single target buff on someone else. You can put it on OT if you're in that grp, put it on someone in the grp that has the lowest hp/power pool, or put it on that person that pulls the most agro if you are in that grp. As far as Tendrils, it can go oh anybody that is doing melee damage. It does not have to go on the tank.<p>Message Edited by jfleming2003 on <span class="date_text">03-13-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:42 AM</span></p>

[Miracole]

no paragraphs..... no punctuation... it's impossible to read<div></div>

[Aral]

<div></div><p>(an aside: Ask your friends or teacher to help you out with your run-on sentences. Your inability to communicate clearly gets in the way of your primary argument.  This is not mocking, it's a reality check.  You can fix this.)</p><p>I think you misunderstand how spell lines compare between priests.  Reactive Heals are the cleric equivalent to Defiler Wards - they are our specialty heal lines.  Each priest class receives 1 minor heal (fast heal/putrid line) one arch healing (slow heal/sacrificial for defiler), one group heal as a base. The different classes then receive a single target and group specialty heal:</p><ul><li>defilers get 1 group 1 Single Target ward</li><li>clerics get 1 group 1 ST reactive</li><li>druids get 1 group 1 ST regen</li></ul><p>Tendrils falls into the proc buff line.  It is a buff placed on an ally that causes a process to occur some of the time: Druids have these chance based procs as well (for damage), as do clerics(for extra healing). </p><p>So if you wish to argue that Tendrils is an inferior single target buff, that's fine  - but compare it to the single target proc buffs the other priests get, not their specialty heals. </p><p>For the record, Tendrils is outstanding.  Not only is it passive/always on, it works when the tank is pulling out of your line of sight/running back to group/knocked back.  It works when the group or you are stunned/stifled.  It also can work on multiple enemies, much faster than you could possibly land degenerate or other debuffs on the entire group.  The proc chance is high enough that it goes off quite often.  It's not uncommon for half an encounter to be slowed by tendrils in the first volley of hits - at a moment when you are busy warding and trying to lay in debuffs on the primary target. </p><p>As for being put in the main tank group: Get your Efflux line and Portent line to adept 3 or master, then group with a tank and show how high their HP can get.  Defiler can increase the hitpoints of a tank (and 2 others as well usually) more than any other priest. That's not a small benefit when raids primarily succeed or fail based on damage spikes to the MT. </p><p> </p>