BUG!!!! Defiler and Mystic Wards replaces each other.. No longer stacks....

[Sa'meria]

<div>Hey everyone,</div><div> </div><div>I noticed last night that our wards no longer stack with mystics, also are group buffs do not stack properly.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Anyone else experince this???</div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><p>They never have.</p><p>The other priest subclass speciality heals don't stack for the same class either - what I mean is that templar and inquisitor reactives don't stack with each other, in the same way that mystic and defiler wards don't stack.</p><p>What this means is that it is never a good idea to put a mystic and defiler in the same group.  It's also very wasteful to have multiple shaman casting single wards on the same player out of group, because when one ward lands, it overwrites the previous unused ward.</p>

[t0iletduck]

Agreed. The wards and buffs have never stacked. Also it should be noted that our group mitigation buff does NOT stack with other priest mitigation buffs. If you are grouped with say a cleric, let them use their mit buff and it frees up a concentration slot to cast portent on another group member.<div></div>

[warpedpunk]

<div></div><div>After LU 19 with the introduction of Dof and the combat changes, wards, single target and group both stacked. Group buffs in the same line haven't.  I hope this is looked into before we get too into raiding otherwise we'll be reduced to the two spell patch healer we were at the beginning of the game lol.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Epi-</div>

[Sa'meria]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>warpedpunk wrote:<div></div><div>After LU 19 with the introduction of Dof and the combat changes, wards, single target and group both stacked. Group buffs in the same line haven't.  I hope this is looked into before we get too into raiding otherwise we'll be reduced to the two spell patch healer we were at the beginning of the game lol.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Epi-</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#66ff00">That was my experiences with wards too, they did stack the whole time that I played, but then again I'm completely a post lu-19 defiler. I wasn't sure about the group buffs, and thats why I mentioned it.</font>

[NimSul]

<div></div>None of the healer speciality heals are sopposed to stack, and they havnt stacked since LU13. If they ever stacked after that, it was a bug.

[Feanor Baugl]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>All different wards stack with each other: single, group, insta. single and insta group.<span>* Single targer ward is not stackable to itself or other single target wards, It'll overwrite the current one but atleast it'll still ward so u can chain cast it.</span><span>* </span><span></span><span></span>Group ward is not stackable to itself or with other group ward , it'll overwrite the current one and cancel itself, but u'll still have the ward icon. [BUG]<span></span><span>[This is a bug that was removed when they fixed our wards ina previous LU but for some reason it returned and hasnt been fixed yet. Or it's a ninja change but if it was why not explain to use why it was reversed to a previous considerd bugstate. I've bugreported this numouros times and posted about it and I've never gotten an answer. There are two ways to work around this bug, 1: make sure u land a new group ward after the old one has expired. 2: Cancel te current group ward before the new one lands.]</span><span>* Buffs are not stackable to other defilers or to Mystics so u need to discuss with the other Defiler or Mystic or any healer for that matter to determin who will do what, or u'll waste alot of pwr and resources.</span><span></span></div><p>Message Edited by Feanor Bauglir on <span class="date_text">03-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:19 PM</span></p>

[Zathrys]

<span><blockquote><hr>warpedpunk wrote:<div></div><div>After LU 19 with the introduction of Dof and the combat changes, wards, single target and group both stacked. Group buffs in the same line haven't.  I hope this is looked into before we get too into raiding otherwise we'll be reduced to the two spell patch healer we were at the beginning of the game lol.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Epi-</div><hr></blockquote>You are wrong my friend.  I am speaking from the experience of 4 high end raids a week.  Wards of the same type do not stack, and haven't done so since LU13.  I am the MT group defiler and I usually work it with the other raid shaman that they cast single target ward on the tank and I cast the group ward.  In this way we don't overwrite each other. </span><div></div>

[Ishnar]

<div>I grouped with a mystic today,  We rocked.  When I realized what was joining the group I just asked him (he was 38 I was 32 if he would like to ward and I debuff.  He said cool, and we rocked the shop.</div>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><p>They never have.</p><p>The other priest subclass speciality heals don't stack for the same class either - what I mean is that templar and inquisitor reactives don't stack with each other, in the same way that mystic and defiler wards don't stack.</p><p>What this means is that it is never a good idea to put a mystic and defiler in the same group.  It's also very wasteful to have multiple shaman casting single wards on the same player out of group, because when one ward lands, it overwrites the previous unused ward.</p><hr></blockquote><p>That's only true if they're of the same level, isn't it?</p><p>An adept 1 mystic ward won't overwrite an adept 3 defiler ward, will it?</p>

[Feanor Baugl]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Nainitsuj wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><p>They never have.</p><p>The other priest subclass speciality heals don't stack for the same class either - what I mean is that templar and inquisitor reactives don't stack with each other, in the same way that mystic and defiler wards don't stack.</p><p>What this means is that it is never a good idea to put a mystic and defiler in the same group.  It's also very wasteful to have multiple shaman casting single wards on the same player out of group, because when one ward lands, it overwrites the previous unused ward.</p><hr></blockquote><p>That's only true if they're of the same level, isn't it?</p><p>An adept 1 mystic ward won't overwrite an adept 3 defiler ward, will it?</p><hr></blockquote>It should give a msg saying "Would not take effect" as u get if u try to cast a lower version of ur own wards when u have the latest ones up</span></div>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><p>I ask because we were doing nest with a mystic and a defiler. (Don't ask me why, I wasn't the leader.)</p><p>The mystic had only app. 4 and adept 1's while the defiler had adept 3's and masters.  But we heard no complaints from the mystic.</p>

[Vincenzo]

I grouped with a mytsic last night. We made him primary healer, I focussed on debuffs.The big downside is not being able to easily see who has running, for when things go nasty. I want to ward to support his wards, but I can't cause I can't easily see who he already warded.Overall it wasn't a disaster at all. I would do it again.Nadir. Splitpaw

[sostrows]

2 shaman xp grp, let the mystic be MH and use grp ward and single.  Use Bane and Circle.<div></div>

[IngridS]

<div>OK, just to make sure I've got this right. We changed things around in raid last night (usually I'm in MT grp<-- I got there late, doh!). The mystic was in the MT grp. I tried to cast my single ward on MT and it worked most of the time but a few times it said "would not take effect." This is because his ward was higher level and cancelling mine out? (I was lowest level in raid at 64, yeah yeah I'm a slacker.) I'm so used to casting that spell on MT that I just did it automatically. If that is the case, should I just not bother to cast it on him? (BTW the mystic wasn't sure and said his ward runs out so quick anyway for me to just spam mine.)</div>

[Bloorgg]

<div>I'm a 64 Defiler (Guk) and I raid with a 64 Mystic quite often... we're the only two shamen in the guild.  I've personally never seen any messages that my wards cannot take effect on the MT, ditto for the Mystic, and we both ward singles on him (although we are grouped seperately all the time).  It may be due to the fact that during raids, a ward goes down SO quickly, but you'd think we would have seen an overwrite at some point, especially just before a pull.</div><div> </div><div>Sounds like there's some contradictory info here, so I'll test it myself tonight.  If it's true that they don't stack then we'll just have to split the tasks.</div>

[IngridS]

<div>Yes, I'd never seen the "Would not take effect" pop-up until the other night~</div>

[Eileithia]

<div></div><p>The "would not take effect" message is definately because they have the upgraded version (higher level) of the single target ward already on the tank.. I group with a Mystic quite regularly, and she has her new ward already, whereas I'm still waiting to get mine back from the scribe.. I would get this message quite often when her single target ward was on the tank..</p><p>This will also happen with group wards if you have 2 shamen in the same group and one tries to cast the lower level version of the spell.</p>

[IngridS]

<div>So are the 2 defilers casting single wards on tank with one in MT grp and one in DPS grp going to cancel each other out?</div>

[Eileithia]

<div></div><p>Yes.. if they are the same spell (quality does not matter) the 2nd will overwrite the first.</p><p>Very simple to test.. cast a ward on your self (or any party member) and have the other shaman cast their spell.. you will see that your icon immediately disappears from your maintained window as theirs lands..</p><p>Single wards really aren't an issue in a raid setting as usually the ward will be pounded away before a 2nd is landed, but two shammys in the same group should either work on a rotation for group ward, or have only one of them (the one with the better quality spell) cast their group ward while the other takes care of debuffs / heals etc..</p>

[Munter78]

<div></div><p>Wow, Ive seen alot of threads in this post, most are pretty much wrong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  but anyways, to clarify the whole wards and such within a subclass.....</p><p>Wards do not stack, they will replace each other once casted, if and only if the other one is the same or higher quality, and of course, the higher lvl spell would replace the other.  This goes for group and single target wards.  In a raid, even if a mystic and a defiler are in a different group, the latest ward spell cast (single target)  will stay on the target if same lvl spell and quality.</p><p>Buffs........sort of stack, they basically combine.  As far as group buffs, priest buffs, are priest buffs.........If a templar and a defiler both cast group mit buffs, the HP from the templar, and the ward part of the defiler both stay in tact, but whomever has the most powerful lvl spell will keep the mitigation buff.   If a mystic and defiler both cast their poison/disease buffs, the defilers portion of the disease will stick, and the mystics poison part will too. </p><p>It comes down to just grouping with one, two, three healers, and just walk each of yourselves through your buffs so you know what will hold, what will combine, and what overrides.  If you have done this step, you would know that wards NEVER stacked throughout DoF <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>