How to get Devs attention, so we get some answers?

[Feanor Baugl]

<div></div>Hello Fellow Defilers and others as well and SOE!I useally don't get annoyid over game issues, but our situation has finally done that, and It's not fun1: Our group ward is flawed, (as far as I know it still don't work if u land it before old expires) we start to ask why is it intentionally or a misstake - RESPONSE: None2: VOA doesn't do what the description says: We bugreport it, post about it - RESPONSE: None3: Our lvl 65 Marquee spell Defile is everyting but classdefining, usefull  u name it (my opinion and pretty much everyone elses) we post about it - RESPONES: None4: They nerf Spiritual Circle, some my consider this as a non issues since it often dies in one shot anyway, if it wasnt an issue what change it?. We ask about it - RESPONES: NoneQuestion:To all players (SOE's customers):   What should we do to get someone from SOE to atleast say something, The way we're trying now is aparently not working...To SOE:   Why do we not get an answer?  Do I not pay as much as the rest, so u feel I'm not entitled an answer?   Why is other classes more importat then Defilers?I love EQ2 its the second MMORPG I've ever played, I choose Defilers because the descption of it intriged me, and still does. I only have my lvl 60 toon and I'm not considering a betrayl or a reroll as an option. But this situation is slowly removing all the fun for me. To see other classes getting hotfixes (as they should since theire class is obviously having problems) and not seeing any for us. I PAY AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE I should atleast get an answer, I might not like it but still and answer is not as bad as this redicilous silence.<div></div>

[Ishnar]

<div></div><p>the devs respond to posts with dev or dev names even more rarely than they respond to posts without them.</p><p> </p>

[MalkorGodchyld]

<div></div><p><font size="2">    What do we do??      nothing at all...we've done all there is TO do...at this point im just [Removed for Content] & indifferent to the devs.   A few minutes to post an acknowledgement isn't much to ask.     All of the issues that have been brought forth are pretty valid & when they seem to be ignored for such a long time as this...well its just wrong.  </font></p><p><font size="2">    I do remember getting a response that VoA was working as intended...but i really wonder who the representative is for Defilers.    They must not play the class i tell you!       Heck im not even sure if SoE has a system in place where they have reps for each class...sigh       Oh well ~ personally  im tired of posting about it all when it only seems like im talking to myself.</font></p><p><font size="2"></font> </p><p><font size="2">~ Marius Darkchyld ~</font><font size="2">     31 Defiler </font></p><p><font size="2">  DARK SURVIVORS</font><font size="2">     Nagafen</font></p>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><p>I really try and go the distance, be patient, and exhaust all reasonable channels and resources before becoming militant and just starting to go off on the boards regarding a certain topic.  I really love this game, and want to see it be wildly successful, and want to give SoE time and a reasonable chance to make things right in each case.  I know that my problems and concerns in this game are not more important than anyone elses, and I realize that most classes have some issues.</p><p>But I'm in general agreement with the OP.  I'm feeling like we are being screwed, and then being ignored on top of that.</p><p>I'd very much appreciate if anything was done to resolve the basic issues stated by the OP.  They are my biggest issues in EQ2 also, and they tremendously affect my gameplay.</p><p>These issues will not go away.  I suspect many of us will begin getting very loud, and very antagonistic, on the boards if time just continues to go by and we begin feeling more and more screwed everyday.</p>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><p>Well this is my last post on this Debacle.  I am seriously considering a break from this game and doing something else for a while.  The Devs have demonstrated time and again that they don't care about Defilers.  This is compounded with that fact that many Defilers also do not care about their class. </p><p>The Defiler population has to be one of the most conflicted groups in the game IMO.  One side claims there are fixes that must be made, and a list of improvements and issues that need to be addressed.  The other side claims that we are "Godlike" and are the best healers out of all the classes with unlimited power and a permenant place in the MT group.  Is it any wonder the Devs don't respond to us?  Is it any wonder that others look at our class forums and laugh at us? </p><p>The only way in an MMO to get anything done is to unite and get very loud about your classes concerns.  I have seen the Wardens do it.  I have seen the Clerics (Inqs and Temps) do it.  I have even seen the Mystics do it.  And I have seen the positive results for them as a result.  But in over a year this is the FIRST time I have seen Defilers actually take a UNITED stand and address an issue together.  So you have to give the devs time to adjust to this "new" stance before they start paying attention. </p><p>Good night and good luck.</p><p> </p><p>Broom</p>

[JoePa]

"<font size="2">but i really wonder who the representative is for Defilers"It would seem that the only classes that have true representation are Bruisers/Swashies as they are played by "Guards" Moor and Black.  If you look at those classes they seem to be pretty balanced against the rest of their archtypes.  For someone to truly understand most of the concerns that we have voiced they would need to have a end-game Defiler, as most of these issues are either present only at the level-cap or raid related.It would seem that when any topic gets as much attention as we gave the "Defile" spell, a response should be forth coming.  Even the obligatory "We are aware of your concerns and are investigating".  No response at all, is in some small way disrespectful to the community who cares enough to post at length about a subject.  If you take the PvP concerns as an example, the issues raised in those boards were addressed and FIXED within 1 week of release of that ruleset being implemented.SOE owes this community a response, both out of respect, and the fact that, we are paying customers.</font>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Broomhilda wrote:<div></div><p>The Defiler population has to be one of the most conflicted groups in the game IMO.  One side claims there are fixes that must be made, and a list of improvements and issues that need to be addressed.  The other side claims that we are "Godlike" and are the best healers out of all the classes with unlimited power and a permenant place in the MT group.  Is it any wonder the Devs don't respond to us?  Is it any wonder that others look at our class forums and laugh at us? </p><p>The only way in an MMO to get anything done is to unite and get very loud about your classes concerns.  I have seen the Wardens do it.  I have seen the Clerics (Inqs and Temps) do it.  I have even seen the Mystics do it.  And I have seen the positive results for them as a result.  But in over a year this is the FIRST time I have seen Defilers actually take a UNITED stand and address an issue together.  So you have to give the devs time to adjust to this "new" stance before they start paying attention. </p><hr></blockquote><p>I very much agree that EQ2 mystics have done a great job lobbying for improvements with a unified voice, based on a few of their members who are frequent posters.  To their credit, those posters have spent a lot of time evaluating spell differences, posting parse information, and concluding and convincing most other mystics that they are an underclass compared to defilers, and that defilers are overpowered and therefore they lack opportunities in comparison.</p><p>Mystics commonly claim that we have better debuffs than they do, despite the fact that all of ours are single target and they have a group slow, where we do not.  Many of their good spells, like Torpor, work out of group, where ours do not.  In a miscellaneous raid position, we are merely single target debuffers and patch healers, and they are far more powerful.</p><p>But back to your point.  Yes, we've had defilers who like to go on the mystic boards and talk smack as if our class is godlike and theirs sucks.  Some of those posts sound like they are professional wrestlers talking smack before a match.  And I've seen those posts quoted by mystics against us.  I obviously disagree with the content and tone of those defiler posts, but everyone is free to say as they wish.  I just wish all defilers would realize the consequences of what they post when making comparisons to other classes.  We do not have unlimited power, or anything close to it.  Our single target slow proc buff is not as good as a regular debuff that you can cast at the beginning of a fight before the mob and tank are stabilized, it is situational and doesn't slow the mob until it procs, and can definitely be resisted when it does.  But now we have mystics quoting defilers saying that they suck and we are gods.  Just a really bad idea.</p><p>In my case, I'd be fairly happy with our class but for the issues posted by the OP above.  The single greatest issue to me is Defile vs. Bolster, and it looks like we've been screwed.  Mystics say that Bolster is situational and not a big deal.  Well, how can a pull be situational, every fight involves a pull, and a MT is virtually always better with 5k more HP during the first 36 seconds of every fight.  I see guardians saying what's the big deal, it's only one spell.  Well, I've already felt the effects of this one spell, and it would be as if bruisers were made better at tanking x4 raid mobs than guardians.  Guardians wouldn't be happy with someone telling them what's the problem, you can still offtank, and none of your capabilities were taken away, you should now just accept your new role as an offtank and be happy with it.</p>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div>Looks like some fixes went in today on Defile AND the Stamina Debuffs.  Some news (hell, any news!) is good news.  :smileyhappy:

[Ixnay]

<div>IMO, this is a great compromise and we should be thankful for it.  I've dropped all my objections, and am moving on to happier topics.</div><div> </div><div>I'M THRILLED THEY LISTENED TO US AND MADE THINGS RIGHT.  TODAY'S SOLUTION IS EQUALLY FAIR TO MYSTICS AND DEFILERS.</div>

[NimSul]

<div></div><div></div><p>Hehe you just sound silly Ixnay, your "THRILLED" that they finally fixed a spell that was reported broken a month ago? And that they fixed a bug that was game breaking for raids? after 2 weeks? If anything this is a display of the sorry state defiler issues is atm.</p><p>And defile is still a joke of a spell, ot has nothing to do with what defilers do.</p><p>At the very most this is a small step in the right direction.</p><p>Message Edited by NimSul on <span class="date_text">03-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:49 PM</span></p>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><p>Dude, all I'm saying is, try it before making up your mind.  This is something that doesn't look that special on paper, is kinda hard to describe, but after I used it a couple times, my reaction was "wow, this owns".</p><p>We aren't going to always get what each of us may want in terms of a particular spell or ability type.  With new abilities, all I  really hope for is something that, whatever it does, does it in a way that creates value and benefits for our class, and feels powerful and well designed.  And that's what this new spell does, but there is no way I will be able to get you to believe me, or appreciate the power of this new ability, until you try it.</p><p>Defilers aren't supposed to be pure healers, and thats one reason I selected this class.  We do other stuff to, stuff that damages mobs and causes them to fight less effectively.  So this new ability isn't related to the healing side of our class, so what.  But it is an excellent and powerful spell for the other side of our class.  And trust me, when you try it, I believe you'll agree.</p><p> </p>

[Gravewolf]

Well said Ixnay.  I think we get the point that you just don't like the spell, you don't like the pet and you don't like dps, I think <b>everyone</b> gets that.  So there really is no need to repeat yourself ad nauseum.  It is sad that you don't like the changes, but some people do enjoy them.<div></div>

[Swishwah]

<div>Well I'm glad that we have finally gotten some attention.  But as far as I'm concerned, if it is an AE dot and breaks mez, then it's still useless.  Put this in raid terms: Mystic can uber buff the MT, Defiler breaks mez and wipes raid... </div><div> </div><div>Until we get some testing on this I'm still sitting on the 'not happy' side of the fence.  I duo with a Bruiser and raid hard.  I don't need to do DPS, that's what the fighters/scouts/mages are for.  I'm a utility class, and proud of that, not DPS.</div><div> </div><div>Anyone have any parsers etc on damage and whether it breaks stun/mez yet?</div>

[Feanor Baugl]

Good that SOE fixed defile it was a apparent bug (since it didnt do what it's description said)I was pretty sure it would eventually get fixed. But I'm afraid I do agree with Nimsul regarding that it doesnt change the fact that it still aint a classdefining spell. But as I said and as Nimsul also have said any news is better then no news at all.With this in effect I guess I'll just have to accept that my perception of a defining spell for Defilers aint the same as SOE's. It's not that I'm ungrateful that it was fixed but that part didn't involve a "if" it was a bug and should be fixed simple as simple as that. The major issues was and still is, the defining part. But I'm sure that there will be more then just Ixnay who'll change opinion and cosider this matter resolved, I'm afraid I can't but seeing they fixed the spell instead of altering it I guess I have to live with it.I stronlgy belive in balancing between classes. And I'm not sure this will lead to it being balanced. I'm biased since I'm a Defiler but it's my impression that Defilers more often then the Mystic are suited to be in MT group in raids due to us only having ingroup buffs, and Mystics with the ability to buffs from outside the group is more suitable to be in other groups. Still it's situational, there are occasions when I feel I do a bettet job outside the MT group in those case it's better to havea Mystic take my spot in the MT group,. But with Defile being a dps spell and Bolster still being a great buff, I feel that Mystics will still be best suited to be in MT group in almost everry situation thus it's still not balanced.Can't really say "why did it have to take 2 weeks for the spell to get fixed or even longer if u include the beta period" either for all I know they might have been working to fix the spell from day one it was just a complicating things to fix.Now I just hope my other concerns will be looked into, just read about group ward issues on the Mystic board (people are saying that their ward aint protecting all dmg due to injurys or dots that landed before they land the group ward, so the ward just get placed as a layer ontop of those and protects from any new dmg but not the already landed spells) if that's true (I don't think it is, it's probably just the same problem we're having with our group ward) the I hope that change doesnt get applied to ours ontop of the current bug. Then the group ward would be left in the spellbook unused.That's all I had to say for nowCheers<div></div>