Mystic=Animals/Dog , Defiler=Spirits/Ghost

[Inqr]

<div>I am very disapointed in this silly , Dog/Wolf. It is not in line with the theme of the Defiler Class. The Defiler is an EVIL Priest that uses the spirits of the dead as fuel for spells or as minions. A Mystic is a more nature based, totemic healer like something out of Native American tradition. A Mystic has spell names that are based on Animals. The Defiler has spells based on spirits or disease. Therefore why are we lumped in together?</div><div> </div><div>I do not like sharing AA trees with the good side Mystic and I absolutely dispise having a Wolf Spirit following me around. The fix is EASY, use the graphic for one of those ghost men that used to come to our aid when the group emergency ward broke. </div><div> </div><div> The pet is underpowered and useless but at least it could add flavor to the class. Shaman was an original EQ pet class. Why do we get a triple down arrow pet anyway? I say make it 1 down arrow but keep it's Dps low that way at least it could take a few hits for us situationally.</div><div> </div><div>                     </div><div>                                  Z</div>

[Ishnar]

<div></div><div>Well,</div><div> </div><div>This Expansion was obviously designed while all the we still had subclasses and archtypes so the AS lines are based on classes.  All the subclasses are having this problem.  Apparently all of the AS lines are based on the Good aligned character classes.  There are complaints on the SK forums than our AS lines have healing and holy damage when SKs do lifetaps and disease damage.</div><div> </div><div>Hopefully they will improve the AS lines to be based on the current class system and not the old one.  I don't like my dog, but I wouldn't call him useless, he does hit for about 20 damage now and again.  As a low DPS class, I'll take ever a +1 bonus as an improvement.</div><div> </div><div>As for taking a few hits. I was experimenting with mine today.  I would send my wolf in on some blue ^ skellies and start debuffing. after the second debuff the skelly would ignore the mutt and come after me.  While it is hardly game breaking, I don't mind getting in up to 3 debuffs before the mob even touches me.  This dog does help, but no, the dog won't allow you to take on an extra arrow or a higher con.  But it does reduce killing time and that is welcome.  The other advantage of sending in the dog first is when the mob comes after me, the dog is positioned behind the mob so it is more likely to hit.  But I don't think I could get away with sending the dog in first against a white con mob or a ^^ mob or higher.</div><div> </div><div>I do agree that a defiler with a dog is a bit wierd.  A spirit familiar would be better.  Maybe next expansion.  Even 70 levels is less than 1/2 of the planned content, I'm in no rush,  I have 200 levels of EQ goodness to lookforward to. </div><div> </div><div>My main problem is that the most of the +DPS abilities are off of the AGI line.  Since STR is for increasing DPS, I would think that the AGI line should be the STR line.</div><p>Message Edited by Ishnar on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:43 PM</span></p>

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>Fixing the graphic is so easy it is silly that it is even an issue. On another note, they talk about Class Differentiation then do once size fits all AA's. I feel the pet should be an option. It has uses in pulling, a small bit of extra DPS, and it can allow you to get away by occupying a mob for a few moments. But it should be a choice off of one of the lines not a mandatory thing.</p><p>I like the Agility line and will go heavily into it as I love Passive abilities. Most everything else is too Pet dependant. But I totally agree that the abilities in the Agility line should have been Strength.</p><p>I am also totally against the weapon dependencies as that limits choices as opposed to adding differentiation. Up to now most Defilers used Crushing weapons, now we are forced to get into Piercing and spears? If we were supposed to be so spear based then there should have been viable spear weapons from the beginning. Including 1h and 2h spear choices for the Prismatic 1.0 and 2.0.</p><p>                     Zardoz</p>

[Ultharion]

Given what wolves have symbolized in human mythology throughout so many cultures, a *ghost* wolf seemed to me to be a very appropriate pet for a defiler. It's a spirit taking the form of an animal that can very easily represent fear, predation, howls in the night... *shrugs* Works for me!Honestly, if anything, it seems more inappropriate to the mystic in its current form. They should be getting something less.. ghostly, sinister looking, really.<p>Message Edited by Ultharion on <span class="date_text">02-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:02 AM</span></p>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ultharion wrote:Given what wolves have symbolized in human mythology throughout so many cultures, a *ghost* wolf seemed to me to be a very appropriate pet for a defiler. It's a spirit taking the form of an animal that can very easily represent fear, predation, howls in the night... *shrugs* Works for me!Honestly, if anything, it seems more inappropriate to the mystic in its current form. They should be getting something less.. ghostly, sinister looking, really.<hr></blockquote><p>I very much agree - I like the ghostly dog dog.</p><p>What I always hated, and still do very much, is our Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze self buff illusion, which I still don't understand.  Mystics got a nice, traditional bear form from EQ, which is cool, and I'm glad they got a nice one.  But I've had illusions turned off from the beginning, since our self buff is good but the illusion adds video lag and I just think is horrible to look at.</p><p>I would support us keeping Ghost dog, and mystics getting Live dog, dunno how they'd feel about that, however.</p>

[Armach]

<div>I don't have a problem with the ghostly wolf or our wraith form. However, if I had a vote on any changes to these, I'd suggest a ghostly hyena for our pet, and a spider form for our shapeshift (like The Creeper in the Down Below).</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/3fd3a396_13269/bc/Photo+Album/The+Creeper+from+EQ2.jpg?bfxDKAEBZaVws4Ty"></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>BelArmach wrote:<div>I don't have a problem with the ghostly wolf or our wraith form. However, if I had a vote on any changes to these, I'd suggest a ghostly hyena for our pet, and a spider form for our shapeshift (like The Creeper in the Down Below).</div><div> </div><div><hr></div></blockquote>If I had to choose a new pet form (but like I said, I like the one we have) I'd pick a ghost gnoll or orc.

[jfleming2003]

Quite honestly, I don't like the stupid pet period. Ghost/dog or whatever. I'm a healer not a pet class. It's just one more thing for me to have to worry about besides the 5 ppl in my group and myself. It does the worst dmg ever and the only thing I see it any good for is the hate transfer but since a bee sting can kill it that's pretty much out the window. Well, the avoid aoe AA is pretty nice, but have to make it all the way to the end of one line to get to it.OK, back to the whole hate transfer thing. If the pet gets all my hate...and we all know how much hate wards accumulate...he's still going to pull agro jsut as easy as I would normally. Once the pet has agro and dies the hate is given back to me so therefore...I have agro if the tank isn't able to get it off me. So it pretty much negates the whole idea.The majority of our AAs have to do with more dps and it depresses me. I play a defiler to heal not do dmg. Yeah, I'll get in and do my share of melee here and there but omg come on! Give us HEALERS AAs that actually have something to do with HEALERS.<p>Message Edited by jfleming2003 on <span class="date_text">02-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:06 PM</span></p>

[Ixnay]

<div>I really like getting dog dog.  Shaman in EQ had dog dog also, it's traditional and a continuation of a basic shaman ability in that game.  I don't think of myself as a healer at all, but more of a primary debuffer and a warder.  Some of the dog dog achievement abilities are pretty cool.  My beef with dog dog as he is right now is low hp and casting time - at any raid, he will die at first ae, and I can't possibly afford ten seconds to recast him.  Perhaps I'll find was to adapt and incorporate him in my play more, but I definitely think getting him was a step in the right direction.</div>

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>I am VERY disturbed by these comments. That everyone likes the dog,  you  really seem from your comments to be mostly female.  "Ohh, what a cute little doggie", please....we live in Freeport, we are the BAD guys. Get over the carebear attitude. I did not play EQ 1 so I do not care about tradition. I care about looking like I'd rather give someone a disease than heal them. I want to be SINISTER. I love the "Purple Haze" as it looks a bit negative.  To "Defile" something means to "desacrate, to ruin" and to disrespect as in [Removed for Content] on an alter in a church. My vision of a Defiler would be 1st in line to [Removed for Content] in Antonia Bayle's dying face rather than heal.  My heals would be reserved for the Lucanic Knights that were killing every man, woman and child in Qeynos.</p><p> </p><p>                                       Zardoz Defiler 62</p><p>                                           Befalle n</p><p>                        </p>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Inqr wrote:<div></div><p>I am VERY disturbed by these comments. That everyone likes the dog,  you  really seem from your comments to be mostly female.  "Ohh, what a cute little doggie", please....we live in Freeport, we are the BAD guys. Get over the carebear attitude. I did not play EQ 1 so I do not care about tradition. I care about looking like I'd rather give someone a disease than heal them. I want to be SINISTER. I love the "Purple Haze" as it looks a bit negative.  To "Defile" something means to "desacrate, to ruin" and to disrespect as in [Removed for Content] on an alter in a church. My vision of a Defiler would be 1st in line to [Removed for Content] in Antonia Bayle's dying face rather than heal.  My heals would be reserved for the Lucanic Knights that were killing every man, woman and child in Qeynos.</p><p> </p><p>                                       Zardoz Defiler 62</p><p>                                           Befalle n</p><p>                        </p><hr></blockquote>Mostly female?  Dude, I'm a dude.  I hate purple haze and love dog dog.  Sorry, but evil men can disagree about these things <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ishnar]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>I also really hate the term dog dog.  It sounds R E T A R D E D.  Whoever coined the term in EQ1 needs to be locked it a closet with a troll after being dipped in chocolate.</p><p>Message Edited by Ishnar on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:44 PM</span></p>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><p>I think the wolf is pretty neat and I'm a necro.  And yer complaining about added DPS?  That's odd.  Real odd.  I know my g/f likes the added dps.  She loves the fact she can take on an even conned solo ^ now.  And in Nest tonight, the wolf got the deathblow on 2 of the named.</p><p>My only complaints about the wolf is the tripple down and the shimmer look.  Personally I think it should be double down, possibly single down.  And the shimmer look is due to wolf movement + wolf fur + see through.</p><p> </p>

[MalkorGodchyld]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><font size="2">Ishnar wrote:</font><div></div><div><font size="2"></font></div><div><font size="2"></font></div><p><font size="2">I also really hate the term dog dog.  It sounds R E T A R D E D.  Whoever coined the term in EQ1 needs to be locked it a closet with a troll after being dipped in chocolate.</font></p><p><font size="2">Message Edited by Ishnar on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:44 PM</span></font></p><font size="2"></font><hr></blockquote><p> <font size="2">LOL  ....  here here!!        That <em>is</em> a pretty dumb term...but anyway.   As for me, i dont care for the dog too much...i mean yeah, it can be usefuly but i want PASSIVE abilities...not a triple down arrow pet that dies when u spit on it.   Oh & there goes your AA tree when he does.</font></p><p><font size="2">If our AA's were gonna be so dependant on a pet...why make it a triple down arrow???     I'm waiting to find out if atleast the pet buffs are passive for the pet.   Meaning that its not necessary to recast them once your pet is summoned.    ( i doubt it )        And for the ghost dog illusion...bleh.   I think it looks a little too fluffy for Defilers.     I want my pet from purulence, or a wraith dog ...somethin along those lines.</font></p><p><font size="2"></font> </p><p><font size="2">~ Marius Darkchyld ~   31 Defiler</font></p><p><font size="2">  DARK SURVIVORS     Nagafen</font></p><p>Message Edited by MalkorGodchyld on <span class="date_text">03-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:06 AM</span></p>

[Philtronx]

<div>I think if they were to stick to canines, they should give defilers a spiritual Mastiff or something.  Heh, I wouldn't complain about a three headed ghost mastiff, like Cerebus. That would add a suitably evil/defiler flavor to the pet.</div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Ishnar wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>I also really hate the term dog dog.  It sounds R E T A R D E D.  Whoever coined the term in EQ1 needs to be locked it a closet with a troll after being dipped in chocolate.</p><hr></blockquote><p>As I recall from long ago, the term "dog dog" was coined by a Troll Shaman on the Rallos Zek PVP server in EQ.  After reaching 60 during the Kunark expansion, he decided that he would spend his remaining days in EQ guarding his beloved Innothule Swamp, protecting n00bi trolls from outsiders who would come in and kill them for sport, and, most especially, to slay any Paladin interlopers who trespassed on his Swamp while enroute to or from the Cazic Thule zone therein.</p><p>He made some extremely funny posts, with screenshots, that kind of reminded me of a Southern prison movie with hound dogs chasing down an escaping convict.  So the name for his pet in his posts was "Dog Dog".  You prolly had to read these to get the humor, but they were funny, and always showed Dog Dog in hot pursuit of a Paladin or whatever, with him close behind, and always showed what he was able loot from those he caught.</p><p>Ever since then, me and many other shaman have referred to our pet as dog dog.</p><p>So now you know.</p><p>Message Edited by Ixnay on <span class="date_text">03-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:43 PM</span></p>

[Ishnar]

<div></div>Figures.  I would have guessed it was an Ogre but I suppose I shouldn't be supprised it was a troll.  I still think the offending troll should be dipped in chocolate.

[Bloodfa]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ishnar wrote:<div></div>I still think the offending troll should be dipped in chocolate.<hr></blockquote>That's a waste of good chocolate <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div>I'm pretty sure a troll would prefer to be dipped in Halflings <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Karihi]

<div>Why do you not like the dog?  You are a defiler, you take spirits and you bend them and their powers for your own... in this case you get a spirit wolf. Who if you buff up with your tank buff, and you set out that other pet you get, you know... the warding one... you most certainly can use it as your own personal tank, oh and don't forget your reactive ward.............. if it dies... so what?!  It's just a pet... not like you get debt for it's death.</div>

[Ishnar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Karihi wrote:<div>Why do you not like the dog?  You are a defiler, you take spirits and you bend them and their powers for your own... in this case you get a spirit wolf. Who if you buff up with your tank buff, and you set out that other pet you get, you know... the warding one... you most certainly can use it as your own personal tank, oh and don't forget your reactive ward.............. if it dies... so what?!  It's just a pet... not like you get debt for it's death.</div><hr></blockquote>We take our ancestor's spirits.  I don't care how far back you go, none of my ancestors were dogs.

[jfleming2003]

I like the added DPS, although it's very little. It's just a pain to have to worry about a stupid pet dog as a healer. We already have enough to worry about as it is.The only way this dog can be of any use to us is if it's alive. So therefore, we have to go down the STR line in order to get the avoid aoe's buff, we really have no other choice. We all know how easily it dies and how much of a pain it is to resummon...that is IF we're even able to resummon it. It takes way too long to cast so in the middle of a fight it's next to impossible to get it back out again, especially in raids.Another big problem, and I know every class has this problem, is the fact that you ahve to have certain things equiped in order to use the AA. The way I want to go about using my AA I have to have a spear in the primary slot and a symbol in my off-hand. So, I either have to switch between items in the middle of a fight or pass up really awesome loot because it's not suitable for my AAs. This really limits us when it comes to gear.

[Sokolov]

<div>I'd like to petition for an Antonia Bayle pet.<span></span></div>

[BrickyardRac]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ishnar wrote:<div></div>We take our ancestor's spirits.  I don't care how far back you go, none of my ancestors were dogs.<hr></blockquote><div>I kind of like the concept of the pet, but really wish it was something defiler-ish, not a dog or a wolf.  Those gnolls in Sinking Sands would work, I think.  The ones around the Twin Tears.  Anaz Mal whatevers.</div><div> </div><div>That being said, he's very paper thin.  Soloing, he can come in handy sometimes, provided he doesn't get the hate (or if he does, you've got group ward up, or circle, which I rarely use soloing - the circle).  Doing the Wisdom line (13 total points so far, so have spent 1, 4, 4, 4) and his proc attack at 12% sometimes does help, well, when it procs.  In a group, though, he dies to the 1st AoE.  Same in a raid.  So he's a solo help, and that's really about it.</div><div> </div><div>The thing is, I never solo for XP.  Soloing is for when you've got a ton of old quests to clear out, no vitality, and you'd rather not delete those quests (723 quests here since Oct 17, so I like to quest).  Doing old quests, the dog (and likely Defile, still 25% before I can get it) helps out nicely.  But I really wish that the new Defiler things in KoS were more useful in a group.  I mean, I know I'm going to have a great time clearing out gray mobs for book quests in TS, RoV, EL and RE with dog and Defile, so there is some benefit, but I really wish I had more new stuff usable deep in a KoS dungeon.  The bonus heal is nice (Wisdom line), but that's it so far.  But it's proven to be unneeded in the raids I've been on, so that's a group thing.  The final Wisdom buff looks ok, so that's something to go for.</div><div> </div><div>But yeah, back on topic, really wish the pet was something defilerish, and not a dog (or wolf).</div>

[Kaharthemad]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><p>What I always hated, and still do very much, is our Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze self buff illusion, which I still don't understand.  Mystics got a nice, traditional bear form from EQ, which is cool, and I'm glad they got a nice one. </p><hr></blockquote>I have a tendency to disagree with you on this point. The bear form is nice to look at but it hinders in group, especially in a dungeon crawl where it could become useful. Atleast with your ability you can still benefit from the adds without reduction of usefulness.

[Templa]

<div>This may be a way out there idea but we're supposed to be a master over the spirits of our <u>ancestors</u><em>, </em>if I'm not mistaken. Might be cool if our spirit companion was kind of like the enchanter's personae except opposite gender and in spirit form... I'd love to see a female dwarf using a skill called leg bite .. lol</div><div> </div><div>Floid</div><div>63 Defiler</div>

[Nainitsuj]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ishnar wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Karihi wrote:<div>Why do you not like the dog?  You are a defiler, you take spirits and you bend them and their powers for your own... in this case you get a spirit wolf. Who if you buff up with your tank buff, and you set out that other pet you get, you know... the warding one... you most certainly can use it as your own personal tank, oh and don't forget your reactive ward.............. if it dies... so what?!  It's just a pet... not like you get debt for it's death.</div><hr></blockquote>We take our ancestor's spirits.  I don't care how far back you go, none of my ancestors were dogs.<hr></blockquote><p>That's because you have a very narrow view.</p><p>Your class is based off of tribal witch doctors.  They all believe that our spirits turn in to some form of animal and roam the Earth.</p>

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>Do not confuse a Defiler with a Mystic. A Mystic is patterned after Native American Mythology where Animal Totems were used. Defiler is Darker and more Sinister. We are based closer to African Witch Doctors who use items of dead animals and actual parts of dead ancestors as Fetishes. A totem channeled the spiritual essence of a particular animal. It gave the user some positive attribute of that animal by creating a link between the two. A fetish trapped some part of the dead animal/ancestors soul which was then used to power the item. It was much closer to the way a Necromancer opperates. It worked against nature not with it. Witch Doctors were FEARED by their tribe and outsiders while Native American Shamen where only respected.  I am EVIL, my class is EVIL........stop trying to put a positive spin on a very negative class. Just look over the spell names thhey are close to SK, Necro and Warlock not limp wristed Mystic.</p><p> </p><p>                                     Zardoz 68 Defiler,  Befallen</p>

[arieste]

The way I see the defiler vs. mystic is that the Mystic communes with the spirits or the dead and asks them for help while the defiler subjugates the spirits of the dead for his or her own purposes. To me, an example of a Mystic action would be to ask a long dead warrior to smite my foe or to grant me his strength.An example of a defiler action would be to summon that warrior and channel the pain he felt when he died onto a foe i was fighting, or to drain his strength into myself for same purpose.That is the different to me, Mystics ask, Defilers take.  In the end a shaman is still the doctor and the protector of the tribe, it's just the approach that matters.As far the dog goes, it's really all about the way you think about it, if you think your dog is the long lost spirit of friendly Scooby Doo, that's a mystic dog <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> if you think it's the vengeful ghost of the hound of baskervilles, it's a defiler dog <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Mine is named Pandora and she is very much a defiler.   I'd much rather they change the mystic pet to ghost bunny than ours to a ghost snake.  But I digress.  They've already changed the defiler dog to something else on test, anyone know what?  (And don't tell me it's a purple blob or another inappropriately titled geometric shape)a.<div></div>

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>I LOVE your Hound of the Baskervilles reference. In that book the "hound" was a fake and not a ghost at all. So to compare our pet to a fake ghost is completely appropriate. It has zero menace and belongs in tree hugging Qeynos with the rest of the Hippies singing cumb-ba-ya around the fire. </p><p> </p><p>                                               Z</p>

[Camibella]

<div></div><p><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Shaman">Shaman</a> A member of certain tribal societies who acts as a medium between the visible world and an invisible spirit world and who practices magic or sorcery for purposes of healing, divination, and control over natural events.</p><p>So why wouldnt a ghost dog fit us all? It fits just fine IMO.</p><p>A larger more ominous wolf might be more impressive in appearance. Maybe something like a ghost Dire Wolf . Go as simple as changing the defiler dog to a Shadow and ours into a Ghost but whatever, I think the ghost wolf works for both.</p><p>Calling it Dog Dog = [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I agree. Everytime I see it my skin crawls.</p><p>I don’t really give a poop what it looks like, just fix it to where it can last through at least one AE without having to spend 25 APs.</p>

[Camibella]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Camibella wrote:<div></div><p>Calling it Dog Dog = [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I agree. Everytime I see it my skin crawls.</p><hr></blockquote><p>OMG I didnt even use a bad word!</p><p>/eyeroll</p>

[Sokolov]

<span><blockquote><hr>Camibella wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Camibella wrote:<div></div><p>Calling it Dog Dog = [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I agree. Everytime I see it my skin crawls.</p><hr></blockquote><p>OMG I didnt even use a bad word!</p><p>/eyeroll</p><hr></blockquote>[Removed for Content]!In solo play, the pet dies before I can get one spell off =/</span><div></div>

[Karihi]

<div>Wow, you guys complain a lot!</div><div>I still love my dog, I've never found him to be 'just one more thing to worry about' since usually the group heal/ward that I throw out takes care of him as well.  Besides, he is just a summoned pet, if he dies, oh well...!  Summon a new one when the fight is done.</div>

[Karihi]

<div>'In solo play, the pet dies before I can get one spell off =/'</div><div> </div><div>Obviously you are doing something wrong, I solo with him all the time, and he never dies like that.  </div><div>Preward it, and buff it up, treat it like your tank to pull then take the aggro and let him just be some dps afterwards....</div><div>We solo ^^'s all the time, and never had a problem with him dieing....</div>

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>As the initial poster of this thread I would like to point out the facts. Defiler is an EVIL class residing in the Villianous city of Freeport. It is ruled by an Overlord and is basically a military dictatorship. The city looks like a fortress and is at WAR with the good aligned city of Qeynos. Therefore chicks with cutesey Elven avatars need to go back to the Mystic forums where they belong.  Defiler is an EVIL  healer that exploits the dead and needs a menacing pet to fit that idea. Nothing less is exceptable, this post is about the appearance of the pet.  Posters need to stop referring to the definition of a "Shaman" as that is the starting point of this class NOT where it ends up.  Defiler is NOT an EQ 1 Shaman, we are an off-shoot or darker evolution of that. </p><p> </p><p>                                  Zardoz, 68 Defiler Befallen</p>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Inqr wrote:<div></div><p>As the initial poster of this thread I would like to point out the facts. Defiler is an EVIL class residing in the Villianous city of Freeport. It is ruled by an Overlord and is basically a military dictatorship. The city looks like a fortress and is at WAR with the good aligned city of Qeynos. Therefore chicks with cutesey Elven avatars need to go back to the Mystic forums where they belong.  Defiler is an EVIL  healer that exploits the dead and needs a menacing pet to fit that idea. Nothing less is exceptable, this post is about the appearance of the pet.  Posters need to stop referring to the definition of a "Shaman" as that is the starting point of this class NOT where it ends up.  Defiler is NOT an EQ 1 Shaman, we are an off-shoot or darker evolution of that. </p><p> </p><p>                                  Zardoz, 68 Defiler Befallen</p><hr></blockquote>*giggles*Oops, I mean*cackle*</span></div>

[Ishnar]

<div></div><p>I may be a wood elf, but I abandoned their pansy ways.  Now I'll sup with my friend blort over a little eldar bar'b'qued leg o halfling.</p><p>mmm, tasty.</p><p> </p>

[Daisy Lou]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Kaharthemad wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><p>What I always hated, and still do very much, is our Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze self buff illusion, which I still don't understand.  Mystics got a nice, traditional bear form from EQ, which is cool, and I'm glad they got a nice one. </p><hr></blockquote>I have a tendency to disagree with you on this point. The bear form is nice to look at but it hinders in group, especially in a dungeon crawl where it could become useful. Atleast with your ability you can still benefit from the adds without reduction of usefulness.<hr></blockquote>That's why I'm sooooo glad we can hide our illusions.  I never run around in that goofy purple haze (who wants to look like a conjuror's pet anyway?) </span></div>

[Daisy Lou]

<span><blockquote><hr>Inqr wrote:<div></div><p>As the initial poster of this thread I would like to point out the facts. Defiler is an EVIL class residing in the Villianous city of Freeport. It is ruled by an Overlord and is basically a military dictatorship. The city looks like a fortress and is at WAR with the good aligned city of Qeynos. Therefore chicks with cutesey Elven avatars need to go back to the Mystic forums where they belong.  Defiler is an EVIL  healer that exploits the dead and needs a menacing pet to fit that idea. Nothing less is exceptable, this post is about the appearance of the pet.  Posters need to stop referring to the definition of a "Shaman" as that is the starting point of this class NOT where it ends up.  Defiler is NOT an EQ 1 Shaman, we are an off-shoot or darker evolution of that. </p><p> </p><p>                                  Zardoz, 68 Defiler Befallen</p><hr></blockquote></span>Last I checked, I don't play on Antonia Bayle or Luclin so guess what, I don't have to roleplay if I don't want to.  And if that means my cute little DE defiler wants to call her new little puppy cute and cuddley so be it.  Heck, on my necro, I never ever used the zombie pet because I didn't like watcing it on the screen.  I think it's gross.  I instead upgraded the warlock skelly pet (so he gets horns<span>:smileyhappy:</span>) because I thought it was cute!!!<div></div>

[Bloorgg]

<div></div><div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>The Defiler is an EVIL Priest that uses the spirits of the dead as fuel for spells or as minions.</p><p>we live in Freeport, we are the BAD guys.</p><p> I am EVIL, my class is EVIL</p><p>As the initial poster of this thread I would like to point out the facts. Defiler is an EVIL class</p><p>Defiler is an EVIL  healer</p><hr></blockquote>So Inqr... what are you trying to say, man?  Spit it out already, don't keep us in suspence.</div>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Bloorgg wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>The Defiler is an EVIL Priest that uses the spirits of the dead as fuel for spells or as minions.</p><p>we live in Freeport, we are the BAD guys.</p><p> I am EVIL, my class is EVIL</p><p>As the initial poster of this thread I would like to point out the facts. Defiler is an EVIL class</p><p>Defiler is an EVIL  healer</p><hr></blockquote>So Inqr... what are you trying to say, man?  Spit it out already, don't keep us in suspence.</div><hr></blockquote>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL</span></div>

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>Basically one of my pet peeves is that Mystics or people used to the EQ 1 Shaman concept come here with their notions of how this class should be.  Defiler is new, it has a darker alignment than EQ 1 Shaman or present Mystic and it needs to be represented that way.  That is why I stress the word EVIL. I say it 50 times and people still come into this thread with concepts of nature, Native American totems, spirit dogs, ect. I lump Defiler in with SK, Necro, and Warlock in flavor not Mystic.</p><p> </p><p>                                Zardoz 69 Defiler, Befallen</p>

[Bloorgg]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Inqr wrote:<div></div><p>Basically one of my pet peeves is that Mystics or people used to the EQ 1 Shaman concept come here with their notions of how this class should be.  Defiler is new, it has a darker alignment than EQ 1 Shaman or present Mystic and it needs to be represented that way.  That is why I stress the word EVIL. I say it 50 times and people still come into this thread with concepts of nature, Native American totems, spirit dogs, ect. I lump Defiler in with SK, Necro, and Warlock in flavor not Mystic.</p><p> </p><p>                                Zardoz 69 Defiler, Befallen</p><hr></blockquote><p>Yah, and I think you've made your point.</p><p>Another point of view would be: reliance on EQ1 lore is the only reason we have pets at all.  I dunno about you, but I play my Troll defiler as an evil character just fine with the whispy useless wolf... or rather without it I should say.</p><p>Leveling up to Defiler in the first weeks of the game from Priest, then to Shaman, you learn <em>in the content</em> that Defilers use the same spirits that Mystics do, we just force them to do our bidding instead of being aided freely.  I don't see why having a spirit dog vs. a corporeal dog makes it any less fun to be evil.  It's technically an undead pup!</p><p>Now, would it be cool to have a bone demon as a pet?  Sure.  But something tells me that if you're looking for evil undead pet class, you've chosen the wrong class to play, Necro would have suited you better.  Defilers are, inexorably, Shamen, and the lore ties Shamen to wolf pets.  Sorry, but it does. </p><p>Being evil, and being good at it, is harder than most people think.  I suggest you either try harder or reroll a Necro that you feel "more evil" with.</p>

[obnoxa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<p>I would support us keeping Ghost dog, and mystics getting Live dog, dunno how they'd feel about that, however.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Well then, why don't you come on over to the mystic forums and shove 30 posts of that down our throat too? Tell us all about it, and then...as soon as one mystic says some crazy comment like 'but I like the dog' LASH OUT! Spend days attacking mystics! Change your story constantly, distract everybody from actual issue! Twist everything around. Accuse people of blaming you for the whole real dog idea! Yes, they should change our wolf, oh sorry <em>dog dog. </em>Oh wait! Here's a better idea, why not have little Ixnays? Oh I can't think of a mystic who wouldn't love there very own little Ixnay pet just so we could just sit around and kill it, again and again and again...</p><p>This entire topic now pertains to me, as per your philosphy. Because you have suggested changing a mystic spell (or at least, a graphic) so now I will have to come to the aid of my follow mystics by single handedly spamming the defiler forum with useless posts and randomly tossed about slander. Make myself look like a complete jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], oh I know I have some pretty big shoes to fill but if I can't come up with anything I can just tell everyone they're spiking the ball, dancing the cabbage patch, shimmy shimmy coco pop...</p><p> </p><p>"Please, get over yourself. I will continue to post here as often as I like"  -Ixnay</p>

[Ishnar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>obnoxa wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<p>I would support us keeping Ghost dog, and mystics getting Live dog, dunno how they'd feel about that, however.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Well then, why don't you come on over to the mystic forums and shove 30 posts of that down our throat too? Tell us all about it, and then...as soon as one mystic says some crazy comment like 'but I like the dog' LASH OUT! Spend days attacking mystics! Change your story constantly, distract everybody from actual issue! Twist everything around. Accuse people of blaming you for the whole real dog idea! Yes, they should change our wolf, oh sorry <em>dog dog. </em>Oh wait! Here's a better idea, why not have little Ixnays? Oh I can't think of a mystic who wouldn't love there very own little Ixnay pet just so we could just sit around and kill it, again and again and again...</p><p>This entire topic now pertains to me, as per your philosphy. Because you have suggested changing a mystic spell (or at least, a graphic) so now I will have to come to the aid of my follow mystics by single handedly spamming the defiler forum with useless posts and randomly tossed about slander. Make myself look like a complete jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], oh I know I have some pretty big shoes to fill but if I can't come up with anything I can just tell everyone they're spiking the ball, dancing the cabbage patch, shimmy shimmy coco pop...</p><p> </p><p>"Please, get over yourself. I will continue to post here as often as I like"  -Ixnay</p><hr></blockquote>Whoa,  Save the Vitrol for PMs please.

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>obnoxa wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<p>I would support us keeping Ghost dog, and mystics getting Live dog, dunno how they'd feel about that, however.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Well then, why don't you come on over to the mystic forums and shove 30 posts of that down our throat too? Tell us all about it, and then...as soon as one mystic says some crazy comment like 'but I like the dog' LASH OUT! Spend days attacking mystics! Change your story constantly, distract everybody from actual issue! Twist everything around. Accuse people of blaming you for the whole real dog idea! Yes, they should change our wolf, oh sorry <em>dog dog. </em>Oh wait! Here's a better idea, why not have little Ixnays? Oh I can't think of a mystic who wouldn't love there very own little Ixnay pet just so we could just sit around and kill it, again and again and again...</p><p>This entire topic now pertains to me, as per your philosphy. Because you have suggested changing a mystic spell (or at least, a graphic) so now I will have to come to the aid of my follow mystics by single handedly spamming the defiler forum with useless posts and randomly tossed about slander. Make myself look like a complete jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], oh I know I have some pretty big shoes to fill but if I can't come up with anything I can just tell everyone they're spiking the ball, dancing the cabbage patch, shimmy shimmy coco pop...</p><p> </p><p>"Please, get over yourself. I will continue to post here as often as I like"  -Ixnay</p><hr></blockquote>It's always thrilling to watch an opponent defeat himself.

[obnoxa]

<div></div><p>Thats it? THAT IS IT? I give you that and I get vitrol & defeat myself?Good lord I'm dealing with the shallow side of the gene pool over here. Well except for Dr. Evil there who I'm sure is EVIL scheming to overthrough Qeynos as we speak. Better let go of this tree and pick up my tamborine...err, I mean hammer.</p><p>Sooo, how did I defeat myself Ixnay? Or is that another logical puzzle? Or do you even understand what logical and puzzle mean?</p><p>Oh this is gonna be tough when this is all I have to work with.</p>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>obnoxa wrote:<div></div><p>Thats it? THAT IS IT? I give you that and I get vitrol & defeat myself?Good lord I'm dealing with the shallow side of the gene pool over here. Well except for Dr. Evil there who I'm sure is EVIL scheming to overthrough Qeynos as we speak. Better let go of this tree and pick up my tamborine...err, I mean hammer.</p><p>Sooo, how did I defeat myself Ixnay? Or is that another logical puzzle? Or do you even understand what logical and puzzle mean?</p><p>Oh this is gonna be tough when this is all I have to work with.</p><hr></blockquote>I think I will send for a pysch consult.  Don't go anywhere, I'll be right back!</span></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>obnoxa wrote:<div></div><p>Oh this is gonna be tough when this is all I have to work with.</p><hr></blockquote>Yes, but admitting your disability is the first step toward overcoming it.  Congratulations on your first step!

[obnoxa]

<div></div><p>You didn't answer my question.</p><p>How did I defeat myself Ixnay? Your full of cliche terminology in some desperate attempt to appear wise I'm sure...</p><p>Prove you are not a tool, answer the question.</p>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>obnoxa wrote:<div></div><p>You didn't answer my question.</p><p>How did I defeat myself Ixnay? Your full of cliche terminology in some desperate attempt to appear wise I'm sure...</p><p>Prove you are not a tool, answer the question.</p><hr></blockquote>I will answer.  Because all you managed to do so far is sound like a RAVING LUNATIC.</span></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:<div><span><blockquote> </blockquote>I will answer.  Because all you managed to do so far is sound like a RAVING LUNATIC.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Nice answer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[obnoxa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:<div><span><blockquote> </blockquote>I will answer.  Because all you managed to do so far is sound like a RAVING LUNATIC.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Nice answer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><p>My very point is to put forth idiotic rambings on a board who class does not even really pertain to me, just like Ixnay has so thoughtfully done. To insert asinine comments and pick at people for nothing more then my own amusement, just like Ixnay has so thoughtfully done. If my point is to contribute nothing positive and disrupt legitimate discussions with, well hell, raving & lunacy then where is there defeat? It's a good attempt Sokolov but there is only one who can answer the question...and he is stalling.</p>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>obnoxa wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:<div><span><blockquote> </blockquote>I will answer.  Because all you managed to do so far is sound like a RAVING LUNATIC.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Nice answer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><p>My very point is to put forth idiotic rambings on a board who class does not even really pertain to me, just like Ixnay has so thoughtfully done. To insert asinine comments and pick at people for nothing more then my own amusement, just like Ixnay has so thoughtfully done. If my point is to contribute nothing positive and disrupt legitimate discussions with, well hell, raving & lunacy then where is there defeat? It's a good attempt Sokolov but there is only one who can answer the question...and he is stalling.</p><hr></blockquote>While I disagree with a lot of Ixnay says, I don't generally find them to be "idiotic rambings[sic]."</span></div>

[Daisy Lou]

so what happened to the discussion about the pet?  anyone have any thoughts on this topic after the changes?<div></div>

[Keetarr]

<div></div><p>Well, going back to the original discussion...</p><p>I haven't had a chance to see my new pet since yesterday's patch. Due to the bug that existed, I could cast the pet, but he disappeared immediately, so I didn't get a chance to see what he looked like before he poofed, and I haven't logged in since the fix.  However, in reading the posts from others, it sounds as though the only difference between Mystic and Defiler pets is that theirs is a ghost dog and ours is a "real" dog.</p><p>To me, this seems backwards. I think Defilers should have a ghost pet, since we are associated with death, decay, and all things evil. Mystics should have a "living" pet, since they are known to commune with nature and woodland creatures.  I'm not a huge fan of the dog/wolf model. I would rather have something more sinister, like a pet spectre. I don't want a pet model that another class already has - it should be something unique to the lifestyle and lore related to being a Defiler.</p><p>Overall, I do like having a pet. There are some things I would like to see fixed as far as pets are concerned; for example, I'd like him to at least con even to me (i.e. without the 3 down arrows). I'd like him to do more damage and stay alive longer during a fight. I want to be able to cast buffs and speed enhancements on him.</p><p>I guess I will have to test him out tonight and see if anything has improved since the patch <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Kyin]

<div>Don't know where you got we commune with woodland creatures, We deal with spirits just like you, only difference is we are their ally, they help us, you are their commander, you force them to do things. </div>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Kyin wrote:<div>Don't know where you got we commune with woodland creatures, We deal with spirits just like you, only difference is we are their ally, they help us, you are their commander, you force them to do things. </div><hr></blockquote>I know you guys like Badgers!</span></div>

[Feanor Baugl]

I kinda like the new look, feels Defilerish if that's even a word <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I felt that the ghostly white look felt "good" as in more appropriate to a Mystic since they are a good shaman. Now when Defilers have a dark wolf with red eyes it feels evil. I also feel its good that its still the same animal, both animals should be equal since we are both shamans but ones evil looking and ones good looking... hmm perhaps not "good" looking but.. nm u get what I mean<div></div>

[Wordington]

That wolf looks like a cute little dog.It really fits more to Mystics than to Defilers, the ghost dog would be a little better, as weself can switch to a ghostbird.But wolf is kinda boring, i mean we`re into t7 and have seen wolfs since the starting isle.Why not something more evil for the evil classes?We got Fearknights, Beholders, Ravasects, Shadowcreatures in game already, and ur that fancy u give us a wolf ^^.Why ?<div></div>

[NurseNam]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wordington wrote:That wolf looks like a cute little dog.It really fits more to Mystics than to Defilers, the ghost dog would be a little better, as weself can switch to a ghostbird.But wolf is kinda boring, i mean we`re into t7 and have seen wolfs since the starting isle.Why not something more evil for the evil classes?We got Fearknights, Beholders, Ravasects, Shadowcreatures in game already, and ur that fancy u give us a wolf ^^.Why ?<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I agree. We are into T7 content yet they can't come up with a different pet to give us.  I guess I'm not surprised, they have done this kinda thing to many different classes.</p><p>Oh well, its not that the pet is that useful until you get enough AA's so it becomes immune to Aoe's.  Grrr that still makes me mad.</p><p>We are basically forced to go down that AA line if we want our pet to survive. </p>

[Bloa]

Its SOE changing things that dont need to be changed. The ghost dog was a SPIRIT COMPANION. this is just a stupid puppy. I love the dog and the option to either make your character itself better with the AS or to make your pet better. personally I chose to make my pet better (the interrupts rock casters <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)<div></div>

[Stan]

<div></div><p>Ok here's my 2 cents worth of banter about the silly pet that hits like a mage in a fist fight.  Change the graphic to that of a Hellhound or a burnng boar from Splitpaw.  Make it something that is suffering and is really [Removed for Content] of at the fact that you have control over it. And use it as an omen to those Qeynosians who would think of crossing you. " This is what I do to my pet..Imagine what I would do to the likes of a scurge from Qeynos". </p><p>Rest in Peieces, and may Death be with you and all from Qeynos</p><p> </p><p>Peace !</p>

[T'Pol]

I really cant understand why so many are upset about the pet i really like it how its now a nice dire wolf <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Ishnar]

<div></div>well grafics wise, I think the wolf now looks pretty mean.  Those fangs are scary!  The only thing that would make it more scary would be to have the dog growl in anger and drool like real dogs do.

[Drhammer]

<div></div>I do like the way defiler pet look now.

[Inqr]

<div></div><p>Well as the OP, I 'll give my thoughts on the new pet. I like it much better. I'm still not an animal lover but if it has to be a wolf this is satisfactory. The DPS is better which also helps but it seriously needs to be made stronger hell even 2 down is better than 3 down arrows.</p><p>Overall, if  we are nature based then why do we get multi-colored chain at T7 as opposed to some type of bone/dead carcass looking armor? What is naturalistic about multi-colored T7 chain armor? The art in this game is so weak that at lvl 70 i'm wearing a mustard colored tank top, blue and green looking jeans, magenta arms, purple forearms, blue gloves and bulky silver snow shoes.......</p><p>Please SOE I understand you hate to allow people to look cool or menacing but please fix the art, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it.</p><p>I look like a freaking Dark Elf Trannie [Removed for Content] in my multi-colored outfit.</p><p>                           Zardoz, 70 Defiler Befallen</p>

[TheRealMo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>T'Pol wrote:I really cant understand why so many are upset about the pet i really like it how its now a nice dire wolf <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>I agree. It looks quite slick. <span>:smileyhappy:</span></span></div>

[Daisy Lou]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Stanng wrote:<div></div><p>Ok here's my 2 cents worth of banter about the silly pet that hits like a mage in a fist fight.  Change the graphic to that of a Hellhound or a burnng boar from Splitpaw.  Make it something that is suffering and is really [Removed for Content] of at the fact that you have control over it. And use it as an omen to those Qeynosians who would think of crossing you. " This is what I do to my pet..Imagine what I would do to the likes of a scurge from Qeynos". </p><p>Rest in Peieces, and may Death be with you and all from Qeynos</p><p> </p><p>Peace !</p><hr></blockquote>I'd love to see something like the necro's hellhounds.</span></div>