Pet

[arieste]

My experience with pet...I (being level 60) was soloing some blues in TT, level 57ish or so.  Solo con, no arrows.  I decided to see how well pet does.  I sent a pet and just stood healing it.  About 2 minutes into the fight, the mob still have more 95% HP and then i got aggro from healing the pet.Next I went with a couple of friends to do some higher level hunting.  Unnamed orange ^ solo con mobs, killed the pet with their AE.  Yes, they were on the tank and the pet was just there to do what little dps it can and it died from AoE, not super AoE, not epic aoe.. not special aoe...So at this point I'm no longer casting the pet as it doesnt do any damage and is basically an annoyance more than anything else. And our AAs are build around it too.  As it stands now, I see as little more than a fun spell and even then, rodent form is probably more useful (even though it gives no benefit).If anyone has had positive experiences with or uses for the pet, please post them.  I would hate to think that most of our KoS upgrades are based around what seems to me to be a useless fluff spell.cheers,a.<div></div>

[sostrows]

used pet to make difficult long pulls is a plus.ward pet, send pet in way deep in a thick of mobs to target, soon as pet attacks tell it to come back, ward agro will transfer agro to you, and VOILA! named served on a plate as tank taunts mob inbound.i also tell pet not to protect me.  gets him killed when he gets any agro attacking adds.<div></div>

[Kewt]

Exactly Sostrows - I have been envious at my husband who is a necro and could do long pulls without agro. Now I can solo all those hard to pull mobs :O)But still I feel betrayed - I was so looking forward to this pet and it is nowhere near my expectations.<div></div>

[Lirnafel]

The pet is nice as long as there is no AE damage.  I fought some of the drakotas on the pyramid on temple grounds and they killed the dog fast.At lvl 61 my dog seems to have about 1067 HP. Looks like no buffs are on the pet even when it shows they are (i buffed it with portent - 844HP and it shows malevolent efflux on it - 321 HP). Don't know if this is intended or just broken.So, its usefull for non AE stuff, but if i fight stuff with AEs i dont bother to recast the thing.<div></div>

[zonedbob]

<div></div><p>the long pull is the thing. There's a little more time to get off a debuff while the mob's on his way over.</p><p>But the DPS is a joke. I did manage to get it to hold aggro until casting the third debuff. once. Maybe if you put A points into improving its pull, you could enable it to hold aggro for long enough to get off all Debuffs and maybe some DoT.</p><p>I'm a lot less excited than I was before I found out what it could(n't) do though.</p>

[Wardyn]

<div></div><div></div><div>When I first got Dogdog, I sent him against a dervish thief and he got his butt kicked in about 20 secs. Yuck. He is little more than a weak dot at this point. When I hit 70, and have 50 AS points, I'll certainly be a better soloer because of it. I'm just not sure I'll be as good as I was hoping I'd be in groups/raids. Oh well.</div><div> </div><div>My only concern is that the pet is a 10 level experiment. If he is going to be such an integral part of the Defiler teir 7 and AS, then he needs to be a part of our long term planning. Otherwise, this is just a waste of our time.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Edit: Yes I know not only level 60's will benefit from the canine, but we are the one's that depend on these AS points the most for our place in raiding.</div><p>Message Edited by Wardyn on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:18 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Wardyn on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:22 AM</span></p>

[Mike]

<div>The pet has 1000hp at 60 and doesn't appear to get anything out of group buffs. He did however use the Dread Invective damage proc. It looks like the pet only uses offensive type buffs.</div><div> </div><div>I'm really dissapointed with the pets hp and offensive output. In an average solo battle vs a blue - orange mob it was only doing about the damage of a low end dot.</div><div> </div><div>I was hoping to get a pet with about 4k hp + my buffs and double attack potential of about 150. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[sostrows]

Trio'd some sort of flame lizard 61^^^ Heroics last night.  They had a 1500 fire ae that wiped the Conj pets, my pet dog, pet circle everytime.I think if you are going to spend any AA on pet based abilities - you pretty much have to max out your STR line to STR-E otherwise you will have to very selective in what mobs you fight or enjoy recreating your pet 1000xOn a side note, I'm wondering if STR-E would protect Spiritual Circle also?  Both pets have same name and I can see a DEV not coding something correctly in our favor.  If both pets were directed ae immune, I would jump all over STR line.<div></div>

[Facedown]

The only real use I have found for him so far is pulling a named mob out of a room of orange heroics for my group.Other then that, I wont be using him until I max STR line, which im doing after WIS line.He really needs an hp boost, I could care less if he did 100dps or 10dps as long as he didnt die in a single hit from anything that cons yellow or above. Heck even I can take 3-4 hits from a deathly red con mob, he can barely take them from a blue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It would be nice if he recieved our stats - HP, mitigation, weapon dps/proc - but that wont be happening.<div></div>

[sostrows]

pet does not level up 8-(chances of a lvl 60 triple down procing on a lvl 74^^^x4 raid mob?  not likely.AA choices for a raider that are non-per related, hmmm<div></div>

[Lirnafel]

My pet is lvl 61..the same as i am. You need to recast after leveling.<span><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:pet does not level up 8-(chances of a lvl 60 triple down procing on a lvl 74^^^x4 raid mob?  not likely.AA choices for a raider that are non-per related, hmmm<div></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[NimSul]

<div></div><p>Stopped using pet after 1 hour in KoS and havnt used it since, the critter isnt worth the time it takes to click the attack botton. From my experience it does around 20 dps on white/yellowish mobs and since buffs seems to not affect it it cant hit oranges for anything. Ive had it oneshot by solo mobs :smileymad:and group mobs kill it if it looks at them funny. Not even gonna mention raid mobs, the dog seemed to die faster than the mob could kill it.</p><p>Its safe to say i wont be getting any pet buff AAs any time soon.</p>

[NurseNam]

<div></div>I have to agree, the pet isn't everything I hoped it would be.  I find if I throw a ward over my dog in battles, he will survive the AoE. But, then thats just 1 more "person" to always watch.  I'm really hoping the dev's look into this and realize it isnt much of anything. Esp, after hearing about other classes AA's and saying "Wow, that so sweet". And thats their first AA!!!

[sostrows]

sweet, thanks. i was really bummed if pet did not scale.<div></div>

[masoninc61]

<div></div>its good for watching it kill grey con mobs in commonlands while you wait on the spire <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TheRealMo]

<span><blockquote><hr>masoninc61 wrote:<div></div>its good for watching it kill grey con mobs in commonlands while you wait on the spire <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

[Timber13]

<div>I doubt defilers got any right to whine about there class, defiler is NO dps class, you want to be a dps priest, roll a druid but that the bad things aswell such as low heals, pretty bad buffs and no wards. Defilers are overpowered as they are now, so could you please stop whining about that stupid pet, learn to live with it imo. Our pets (being 62 warden) die aswell as soon an aoe hit, not from solo mobs but from heroic ones. You see us whining about it? Your class is too perfect as it is now.</div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Timber13 wrote:<div>I doubt defilers got any right to whine about there class, defiler is NO dps class, you want to be a dps priest, roll a druid but that the bad things aswell such as low heals, pretty bad buffs and no wards. Defilers are overpowered as they are now, so could you please stop whining about that stupid pet, learn to live with it imo. Our pets (being 62 warden) die aswell as soon an aoe hit, not from solo mobs but from heroic ones. You see us whining about it? Your class is too perfect as it is now.</div><hr></blockquote><p>In addressing your argument, rather than your misinformed opinions and offensive tone, if defilers are "NO dps class", then why are we given an ability that has the primary purpose of causing damage.  Dog dog can damage, but doesn't cause enough damage to make him very useful at all.  All we are asking is that if they are going to give us a spell or ability that is supposed to do something, the spell should be reasonably effective at what it is supposed to do, rather than just be a fake or "pretend" benefit. </p><p>This is my same argument against the Defile spell - if you are going to make our new level 65 marquee spell do damage only, don't insult us with a spell that does 62 damage 9 times before it expires.  Instead, change that effect entirely, add a massive buff or debuff to it, or if you are going to leave it as damage only, at least show us the respect of giving it the damage of a fury spell.</p>

[Lirnafel]

Oh look, another trolling Warden.Have you any idea how many of our Achivement Abilities rely on our "pet"? No? I thought so.Just go to your own forum and troll there if you don't have any resonable input about the discussion here.<div></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Timber13 wrote:<div> </div><div>Our pets (being 62 warden) die aswell as soon an aoe hit, not from solo mobs but from heroic ones.<hr></div></blockquote><p>Also, our pet is 3 down arrows, and has a very tiny amount of HP.</p><p>Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I apologize in advance if I am, but isn't your pets only 1 or 2 down arrows, meaning it has much higher HP than ours, and will be able to do more damage simply because it won't die as fast?</p><p>And speaking of pets, don't you also have swarm pets? </p><p>Your pets do more damage, and live longer.  Don't act like they are the same.  Ours is closer to a fluff spell, yours are used by the wardens I play with, so I assume they don't suck.</p>

[Timber13]

<div>Our pets are 3 down aswell, so got uber less xp, they are completely useless dps wise and die in a second. But you won't find a whining post about this issue from my side. I was reading some forums and remarked this post, got abit upset cause defiler is an uber class and yet they whine, it's cause SOE listen to whiners like some people in the thread that Everquest2 get destroyed. And I feel the need to enlight abit about our (warden) class aswell.</div><div> </div><div>About Ixnay post, we don't have swarm pets, our only pet are 4 triple arrow downs and do good as no dps in fights. Our pets do indeed abit more dps but they die as fast as yours so that's total crap right there. Defilers should be happy they got the huge upgrade in the big combat revamp, as for wardens they got nerfed to an almost total useless class. Check the warden forum and face an almost total dead forum cause the many wardens that quit the game. Stop posting lies, get your facts straight and have fun with your uber class.</div>

[Gimmiso]

All I can say is... the strength of our pet is pretty lame, the thing takes 1 hit and its dead, how is that helpful?<div></div>

[Prevo]

<div></div><p>I play a 61 warden and a 46 defiler.  The shaman achievement pet is junk imo. It can't hit anything and can't live through anything. Hopefully it will become worthwhile with more investment, but I think all it really needs is some more hp so it can be a persistant tiny DoT. It doesn't need to be an amazing contribution to DPS at the beginning, but it shouldn't have to be recast every fight either.</p><p>Wardens do have swarm pets (swarm pets=dumbfire pets=wolf pack), and they have more survival chance than the shaman achievement wolf has and a significantly lower recast and higher dmg. This is understandable since the warden wolves are supposed to be a DPS contributor and they do add decent damage.</p><p>All the pets are / / / and have small hps. But only the achievement wolf dies when the wind blows on it.</p>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Timber13 wrote:<div> </div><div>But you won't find a whining post about this issue from my side.</div><div> </div><div>...</div><div> </div><div>Defilers should be happy they got the huge upgrade in the big combat revamp, as for wardens they got nerfed to an almost total useless class.</div><div> </div><div><hr></div></blockquote><p>Dude, your post is nothing more than a straight up bitter whine, from beginning to end.</p><p>FYI, we weren't made uber and you were nerfed - we were balanced.  Now we're equals <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>And Timber, please look through your spell book - wardens do in fact have swarm pets.  Perhaps your dps would improve if you learned what abilities your class has and how to play it.</p><p>Message Edited by Ixnay on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:12 AM</span></p>

[Snr]

<div></div><p>Amen, brother.  And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a defiler forum for defiler's to talk about our own issues.  That guy is just a ****head.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry, he [Removed for Content] me off.</p><p> </p><p>Osler</p>

[Timber13]

<div>So this is the defiler only forum? Who are you to say that I am not allowed to read and post in your forum? Sorry but I've never seen a sign from SOE that says: "Only defilers allowed" Stop being lame and learn how to play your class dude, I know how to play mine, when all wardens were whining about how bad we got nerfed, you can see in my logs that I was the one posting that our buffs still were good and usefull in raids, now in Kingdom of Sky even that is pretty much gone, /betray, roll fury imo. If you say to me that I have to learn my class, then A. You don't know me and got absolute no idea who I am and how I play, and B. You should read your own spell book and see what kind of uber spells you got and please I beg you for the love of God, compare it only once with the spells warden got and get chocked about how "well balanced" ( Read this extremely sarcastic ) our classes are. Stop the whine about a silly pet that doesn't do any dps and play the game. Unhappy about it? do like many wardens and betray to Mystic.</div>

[sostrows]

<div></div>I feel your pain if the Warden pet is gimpy also.  Pet is not meant to make us a Conj so I just look at him as a fun spell that does damage.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:00 PM</span></p>

[Swishwah]

<div></div><div></div><p>Timber, I have to agree with my fellow defilers here - go get an instruction manual and then hook up with your own community.  My guild's raiding warden is absolutely awesome and is always chosen in the MT group over our many furies.  Why?  Well you do have a nice class, it appears a lot better ballanced than what it was previously, unlike what has happened to defilers where we were finally looked at and our wards have become what they should have been in the first place.</p><p>I am constantly joking around in the guild about how my character is not a healer.  Well tip for you mate, our group ward is a 5 second cast, recast in 15 seconds, solo ward is a 3 sec cast with 6 (i think) sec recast.  Wow, fantastic so far isn't it!!!  Our decent heal basically equates to approx 1.5-1.6k hp ever 16 seconds (including cast and recast time) so if you want a heal, just give us a few seconds notice before hand please...</p><p>My point here is you may bleat and whinge as much as you like to try derail this thread, but fact is you guys are better off and we have been given two poor excuses for 'skills'.</p><p>My tip for you is to get in contact with a warden who can play their class well (just PM me and I'll gladly point you in the right direction as I know a couple out there) so you can leave your box of tissues in your own forums, coz honestly we couldn't care less.</p><p>Swishy</p><p>Defiler, Najena</p><p>Proud Raid Officer of Allure</p><p>Message Edited by Swishwah on <span class="date_text">02-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:38 PM</span></p>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Swishwah wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Timber, I have to agree with my fellow defilers here - go get an instruction manual and then hook up with your own community.  My guild's raiding warden is absolutely awesome and is always chosen in the MT group over our many furies.  Why?  Well you do have a nice class, it appears a lot better ballanced than what it was previously, unlike what has happened to defilers where we were finally looked at and our wards have become what they should have been in the first place.</p><p>I am constantly joking around in the guild about how my character is not a healer.  Well tip for you mate, our group ward is a 5 second cast, recast in 15 seconds, solo ward is a 3 sec cast with 6 (i think) sec recast.  Wow, fantastic so far isn't it!!!  Our decent heal basically equates to approx 1.5-1.6k hp ever 16 seconds (including cast and recast time) so if you want a heal, just give us a few seconds notice before hand please...</p><p>My point here is you may bleat and whinge as much as you like to try derail this thread, but fact is you guys are better off and we have been given two poor excuses for 'skills'.</p><p>My tip for you is to get in contact with a warden who can play their class well (just PM me and I'll gladly point you in the right direction as I know a couple out there) so you can leave your box of tissues in your own forums, coz honestly we couldn't care less.</p><p>Swishy</p><p>Defiler, Najena</p><p>Proud Raid Officer of Allure</p><hr></blockquote>Dude, excellent post lol, I would nominate you for class officer if we had such a thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Swishwah]

<div></div><p>Thanks for the vote Ixnay  :smileyhappy:</p><p>Just an update, Timber13 ended up sending me a /tell in game last night Aust time.  Sorry about the /ignore mate but honestly I don't really care whether you were part of an uber team and what you did to be classified as so uber.  The fact that you have made the effort to contact me in game in a rather abusive fashion to justify your existance as 'sheer uberness' or such at least highlights to me that you did read my post.  Please take my advice and contact the person I suggested if you care to talk about your class if you find your boards a little boring and you think your class has been totally let down.  I know she will tell you that sure, you have issues, but hey, there are worse off...</p><p>The other point I hope you took from my previous post is that I am not saying that any class is better or worse than mine when it comes to our old skill sets.  In all honesty we were pretty equal in most categories (point to note though: our warden OUT HEALS our Templar on a regular basis, and no the Temp isn't a slacker).  At present, our pet is poor and next to useless as it stands, our 'class defining skill' is a joke and we are none to pleased in reference to this situation.  All we ask for is for these issues be revisited and reconsidered by the Devs and uneducated people like yourself mind your own business.  Fortunately or unfortunately many of us feel very strongly about our class and as such really feel the pain (dare I say 'STA DEBUFFS BROKEN!!!') and having been broken for near on 1 year after the initial release, many are at their witts end.</p><p>Once you have rolled a lvl 60+ Defiler then we may have half a second to listen to you bleat, but until then mate, please refrain from posting uneducated garbage in our forums and trying to derail valid thoughts/threads.</p><p>Swishy</p><p>Defiler, Najena</p><p>Proud Raid Officer of Allure</p>

[Horsemast]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lirnafel wrote:Oh look, another trolling Warden.Have you any idea how many of our Achivement Abilities rely on our "pet"? No? I thought so.Just go to your own forum and troll there if you don't have any resonable input about the discussion here.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I couldn't agree more then you m8.

[Horsemast]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Timber13 wrote:<div>So this is the defiler only forum?<hr></div></blockquote><p>Yes, begone! :smileywink:</p><p>Our pet is a great disappointment. You cant really say that it's only objective is to single pull a named target among other aggro NPCs.</p><p>Message Edited by Horsemaster on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:51 PM</span></p>

[xenocyst]

Well, I have to throw in my 2c here, because I've played both defiler and warden to 60. All the warden pets die just as easily as the defiler dog, including that useles tree. Wardens are far less capable of solo healing a group than defilers, and wardens are a poor choice for any group on raids. The thread has already been de-railed so I don't feel too bad interjecting. In a raid situation, a fury is better 100% of the time. They have a great short duration buff in porcupine that can smooth out a tough pull, and they have the same fast heals wardens do, except thiers heal for the full amount up front, unlike ours. The only reason to ahve a druid on the raid is to buff and cast super fast direct heals when the MT spikes down.As for AAs, the entire druid line is trash, for both wardens and furies. Not to mention that the first ability I get as a warden forces me to sacrifice my stance (like the defiler countenance line) so I can't use it.I'm upset that the dog sucks, but I can't say I'm surprised about the way it sucks. Pets like that aren't going to have lots of hps or dps because that will make a well balanced class overpowered. Imagine if a conjurer could heal even half as well as any of the healer classes... and I challenge you to prove to me that conjurers are balanced as they standBefore you flame me, go talk to other classes about thier AAs, general consensus is that they suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Poor bards have had thiers changed at least once since launch...Anyway, what I want you defilers to take away is the following: your pet is like every pet except summoner main pets in terms of strength, don't expect it to changewardens are far better for soloing, but are worse in groups and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near useless on raidsmost class' AAs either suck or are broken completely, unlike my defiler, my warden cannot use his first AA without sacrificing a significant self buff<div></div>

[sostrows]

My Zerker and Guard buddies are stoked about their AAs.  Having seen them, I see why.  Mostly passive buffs / procs and good stuff.I like some of our shaman ones but I think what really irks us is that they are <u>SO</u> dependent a 3 down pet after going 60 levels as a non-petter class.They should have just made 1-2 lines that depended on a pet.Shaman have always had pets in EQ games, they just introduced them very late in this one.<div></div>

[Neave]

<font size="2">ok, the thing is the Defiler pet is in no way meant to be like a summoner pet that can taunt.I did the same thing you folks did, sent in a pet first to see what he could do, I cast one spell and they were on me - so I immediately realise that the pet is not for that purpose. However I still have him all the time for several reasons :1] At level 54 my dogdog does about 600 damage over the course of a fight, and thats for free2] You dont have to cast anything to get that damage, just the pet, great when low on mana and the mob just won't fall over <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />3] If you are unexpectedly hit by a mob, he defends (and dies, haha) while you run offHe has gotten me into trouble a couple of times of course, as he engages a fight where I would run it off as he resets to defensive every time I zone (bug?) even if I've already set him to passive.I really like him, nice company and better than some spell art that just says 'oh, you do a bit more damage now'.I also find him pretty funny, always 500 metres behind me and goes missing a lot. Needs to go to dogdog training school I think.Points to remember :1] Group ward helps him against ae (I realised he only has what, 600-700 hit points? hehe2] The STR pet line is very clever, you can command dogdog to<b> interupt target</b>, that to me is exciting stuff! Recast & Recovery : instant!Revenge! For all those [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] interuptions when I am trying to whack something!I am still excited about him, and am going STR & WIS as a result <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><div></div>