Defiler items? if so, whats with the stats...

[NurseNam]

<div><a href="http://server3.pictiger.com/img/68067/computer-games-and-screenshots/eq-2--000026.php" target="_blank">http://server3.pictiger.com/img/68067/computer-games-and-screenshots/eq-2--000026.php</a></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I recently got these items and can't help but wonder if maybe the stats should be looked at.  The legs have agi on them and are totally useless for the healer class.  The book seems very starange to me with MAGE class being able to use and the deflection stat on it seems outta place for an item like this.  What mage in their right mind would want to equip this item.  Maybe Im missing something with other classes but I really don't think so.  Both of the items were server discovery on Mistmoore.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Namlek</div><div>60 Defiler</div><div>Mistmoore</div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div><blockquote><hr>NurseNammy wrote:<div><a href="http://server3.pictiger.com/img/68067/computer-games-and-screenshots/eq-2--000026.php" target="_blank">http://server3.pictiger.com/img/68067/computer-games-and-screenshots/eq-2--000026.php</a></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I recently got these items and can't help but wonder if maybe the stats should be looked at.  The legs have agi on them and are totally useless for the healer class.  The book seems very starange to me with MAGE class being able to use and the deflection stat on it seems outta place for an item like this.  What mage in their right mind would want to equip this item.  Maybe Im missing something with other classes but I really don't think so.  Both of the items were server discovery on Mistmoore.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Namlek</div><div>60 Defiler</div><div>Mistmoore</div><hr></blockquote>lol i really dont know what your problem is, yeah the legging doesnt have sta, but it have awesome mit, resist, and best power in game for a defiler. I have the same legg and the Bilecoated legging, which have sta, but less power. All and all its a pretty nice legg for defiler. Secondly the book is a symbol, symbols can be equip by mages, priest, and crusaders. The deflection stat is a bug and shouldnt be there, but i fail to see what the problem is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> theyre both awesome and probably upgrades for you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div><img src="http://www.kilaelya.com/images/sigs/emanjialt.jpg"></div>

[Itzon-Hu]

<div></div><p>First of, was this just meant as a look at what I got post?</p><p>The legs are obviously healer based. 25 wis, 90 power, 5 ministration.  As for the 10 agi, and 50 health, have you ever gotten agro??  Avoidance and HP, that allows you to survive a little longer.</p><p> </p><p>As for the Tome of Dark Knowledge, just because it says it is usable by X class, doesn't mean its meant for them. Tomes and most ( 99%) other 0 shield factor items that can be equipped in the ranged and secondary slot are made to be usable for Crusaders,  Mages, and Priests since they don't get a ranged weapon.  This Tome  is obviously made for a crusader, though if a greedy priest wanted it, it has something there for them.  As for a Mage, you are correct, no self respecting mage would use up their dkp's for this. </p>

[Scow]

We gave the tome to our shadowknigt. THe leggings we gave to someone else.  There are better legging out there for us. Personally i look for sta. I am wearing the Wildwood Twisted Legging<div></div>

[sostrows]

<div></div>**** deleted - posted to wrong thread ***** - gratz on both items.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:51 AM</span></p>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Scowiii wrote:. I am wearing the Wildwood Twisted Legging<div></div><hr></blockquote><div>lol, whats up with you and Maria with those d@mn druids leggin <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> since my hp is like 6.1k self buff, i go for the mit and looks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> cause honestly, them druid pants look like somebody took a #$#@ over it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div><img src="http://www.kilaelya.com/images/sigs/emanjialt.jpg"></div><p>Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:58 AM</span></p>

[Tanit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Itzon-Huta wrote:<div></div><p>The legs are obviously healer based. 25 wis, 90 power, 5 ministration.  As for the 10 agi, and 50 health, have you ever gotten agro??  Avoidance and HP, that allows you to survive a little longer.</p><p><font color="#ffff66">Although i don't think that 10 agi will add much to your avoidance, being able to survive longer is nice or at least usefull.</font></p><p>As for the Tome of Dark Knowledge, just because it says it is usable by X class, doesn't mean its meant for them. Tomes and most ( 99%) other 0 shield factor items that can be equipped in the ranged and secondary slot are made to be usable for Crusaders,  Mages, and Priests since they don't get a ranged weapon.  This Tome  is obviously made for a crusader, though if a greedy priest wanted it, it has something there for them.  As for a Mage, you are correct, no self respecting mage would use up their dkp's for this. </p><font color="#ffff66">I think the tome is quite good for a priest. Maybe it's me, but i just like having sta items (especially when they also have wis). The deflection shouldnt be there ofcourse, but soe often adds strange things like that.</font><font color="#ffff66"></font><font color="#ffff66">(I probably wouldn't even mind using it for my wizard. Maxing int (selfbuffed) is extremely easy and having more avoidance/hp/resists is always nice.)</font><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[NurseNam]

<div>Wow.... I thought us defilers should stick together since there isn't very many of us.  This is NOT a ohhh lookie what I got or a thread about me complaining about the items.  First off, Im very happy with the items, I never said I wasn't.  I know in the past once the attention was made to the dev's,  if they saw fit, a correction would be made.  Thats all I'm hoping for.   So, for the few that had negative comments for me about this post... go fly a kite.  Everyone knows that equipment in the game is flawed and if you don't bring this stuff to the attention of the dev's then it won't be fixed.  All, Im trying to do is help our little community and I get ragged on for it. But thats cool, I've learned my lesson. </div><div> </div>

[SunT]

<div></div><p>Doesn't AGI help you to not get hit?  I consider it my number three stat.</p><p>WIS > STA > AGI.</p><p> </p>

[sostrows]

<div></div>solo: WIS=STA=INT=AGI    trying for nice balance heretrio: WIS=STA=INT>AGI    prob no longer tanking but you may have to or you may get hit alotgrp: WIS=STA>INT            prob should no longer being hit more than a couple shotsraid: WIS>STA                   wis is pow and resistsThats kinda how I think of it.  STR never figures into the equation to me as the damage upgrade is so minor by adding STR items.I did survive 1st round of attacks from Sunchild by accident one time with like 500hp left with the help of Chant.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:25 PM</span></p>

[SunT]

<div></div><p>Why do you put INT over AGI?</p><p>Do you feel it increases your group DPS that much that it is worth sacraficing durability?</p><p>I am new to the healer thing as this is my first ever healer toon in any game.  But my thoughts are be the best buffer/debuffer/healer I can be and if I add some DPS at some point then great.</p><p>I can see why you want INT solo but not for groups small or large.</p><p>(Reading my own post I sound argumentitive but I am actually trying to learn not argue)</p>

[MalkorGodchyld]

<div>    <font size="2">I don't see anything wrong with the stats on <em>either </em>of those items...very nice actually.   =)</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">   In ANY situation i would go with  WIS - STA - AGI -INT.      </font></div><div><font size="2"> Defilers dont have high enough DD spells for intelligence to outweigh avoiding attacks,  unless it's like 500 or... i dont know ~ bleh!</font></div><div><font size="2">Staying alive is way more important. :smileyhappy:</font></div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2">~ Retired 60 Defiler ~</font></div><div><font size="2"></font> </div>

[sostrows]

<div></div>It's a tough call.  The extra DPS trioing might be significant if you have three lower DPS classes and you're not getting hit.I'm not saying ignore AGI like STR, but I am usually in groups where I don't get hit.  If you find you seem to get hit alot trioing or you are tanking for a dual/trio grp or want the extra 3% avoidance and piece of mind then going AGI over INT might work for you.  I would just play with both stats.Also there is this nagging issue I've never seen answered from a dev about whether INT factors into fizzle %.  I've heard it does and does not.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:52 PM</span></p>

[SunT]

<div>My Illusionist has 442 INT and then pulses up to 553.  This is without anyone else buffing INT.</div><div> </div><div>I still fizzle on my Pris Havoc all the time.  Very frustrating.</div><div> </div><div>I think there is no corelation between fizzle and INT.  I think it is skill level based vs the spell level.  Nothing more.</div>

[sostrows]

Thanks, I trolled around some other threads and so INT does not factor into fizzle rate.<div></div>

[Scow]

Its all about the STA Baby <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  All the xtra HP is good since we just took down POS last night. I use the bile coated when xp'ing and turned away those chain leggings because they just werent all that great. I am looking forward to the new stuff in expansion.  The only thing I really want in the game right now are the gloves that pof barakah drops the ring from godking and the Umbra chainmail torso.<div></div>

[Scow]

I go WIS-STA-and the rest I dont care about.<div></div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Scowiii wrote:Its all about the STA Baby <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  All the xtra HP is good since we just took down POS last night. I use the bile coated when xp'ing and turned away those chain leggings because they just werent all that great. I am looking forward to the new stuff in expansion.  The only thing I really want in the game right now are the gloves that pof barakah drops the ring from godking and the Umbra chainmail torso.<div></div><hr></blockquote><div>yeah Sta > all other stats imo, specially for the highend content. Like i said, i have the bilecoated legging too, theyre awesome, the main reason i wear the Leggin of the Prophet is for the look <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (matches my mystic bp and hat <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). Oh and i believe you want the ring from Arazul <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> the ring from Anuk isnt that great.</div><div> </div><div>BTW: grats on POS, leetsauce <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div><img src="http://www.kilaelya.com/images/sigs/emanjialt.jpg"></div><p>Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:15 AM</span></p>

[Scow]

The prophet leggings got a cool look to it. But I got the light leggings the day before and the  prophet leggings wasnt going to be that much more of an increase except for the mitigation.  Just need to upgrade my hands really really bad running around with Scimenstras gauntlets. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Landaros]

Well,certainly its nice equipment.But for the looks? Thought defilers use this cloud spell all the time for in-combat health regen?<div></div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Landaros wrote:Well,certainly its nice equipment.But for the looks? Thought defilers use this cloud spell all the time for in-combat health regen?<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>wrath form is annoying as heck. /hide FTW.</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://www.kilaelya.com/images/sigs/emanjialt.jpg"></p><p>Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:49 AM</span></p>

[Scow]

yup use your hide illusion form. still on but you look normal. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Docimodo]

<div></div><p>:smileysad: what i hate is wraith form dropping when im mounted</p><p>I'd just love the whole apocolypse look</p>