Interesting use of Bane ward line

[sostrows]

<div></div>Was in PPR last night and decided to give my Bane M1 a try.  I generally throw this on a boss mob but never use it for a group of mobs.  When I was looking at how I use my debuffs from a previous thread, I noticed the Bane duration is 72 seconds which is a long time. So that got me thinking...(On a side note I hit 500+ DPS on a fight with the mass mob encounters on floor 1, beating the my guild Fury on every fight.  I can out DPS her for a 8 mob group if I can use Maelstrom.  I was in OT grp so I had free rein to DPS away.  It was funny when the WIZ posted raid DPS numbers after the first fight and Defiler was #3 and Fury #4).The encounter I used Bane on was the 3 x 63^^^ books.  I threw Bane on each one and watched with amusement as my toon started doing the Bane animation about 2/sec or spazzing - and then I realized thats about a 1150 ward/sec on MT.  Circle is ~120 ward/sec.  Bane + Circle kept OT up (OT was tanking all these as MT was AFK a bit) with no issues so I moved on to debuffs and gave single/grp wards a rest.Just thought I would share.  Can't remember if someone thought there was an issue with Bane overwriting other single wards or not.  I believe wards of different types don't overwrite each other.  (single/group/pet/bane).  I'm gonna go check on some green mobs tonite about Bane + single ward.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class="date_text">01-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 PM</span></p>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:(On a side note I hit 500+ DPS on a fight with the mass mob encounters on floor 1, beating the my guild Fury on every fight.  I can out DPS her for a 8 mob group if I can use Maelstrom.  I was in OT grp so I had free rein to DPS away.  It was funny when the WIZ posted raid DPS numbers after the first fight and Defiler was #3 and Fury #4).<div></div><p></p><hr><p><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> wow your guild fury must be some kind of a slacker <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>heres some real fury leetness for you... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/emanji/parse.jpg"></p><p>#2 on that Parse is our Fury Nade <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , this was taken from a trash grp mob in PPR <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Yes the fury out dps our warlock, assassin, ranger, and wizard <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p></blockquote></div>

[sostrows]

she must be a slacker then! was your Fury in MT grp or a DPS grp?<div></div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:she must be a slacker then! was your Fury in MT grp or a DPS grp?<div></div><hr></blockquote>no pretty sure he was in dps grp.

[NimSul]

<div></div><p>Hmmm fury leetness ehh, starnova master - 2k on each mob at least, being in a dps group im guessing a trub too so some dissonant node procs and maybe even PoM, 14sec fight and 15 mobs would make starnova alone over 2k dps and then with a trub even more. Fury pushing 1 botton ubahness :smileytongue:</p><p>My personal best is somewhere like 700-750dps on those, from mt group. corruption -> maelstrom defiler 2 botton leetness :smileytongue:</p><p> </p><p>Anyways very interesting with bane of guarding will have to try that in there.</p>

[Ixnay]

<div>I am astounded every time I see a raid mob parse, and see a fury in the top 6 parse for dps each and every time - while the same person was also healing.</div><div> </div><div>When I grow up, I wanna be a Fury <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[VizP]

Wise wise choice just in time for the quite obvious nerf incoming <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:Wise wise choice just in time for the quite obvious nerf incoming <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>rofl, im cracking up right now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  looking at that parse and the Fury is the one you want nerf rofl .

[VizP]

<div></div>Not looking at 'that' parse - just simply the non stop fury tooting echoing across the cosmos for the second to none priest healing, dps and utility... ahh..  it is very amusing indeed <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class="date_text">01-31-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:57 AM</span></p>

[sostrows]

GAH! I should have never mentioned the DPS thing.I do /feedback all the time for them to make ward tracking in log like heals<div></div>

[SunT]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:GAH! I should have never mentioned the DPS thing.I do /feedback all the time for them to make ward tracking in log like heals<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Why?</p><p>In my experience drawing attention to any positive about your class will certainly bring a nerf.</p><p>What will happen if the logs show us 'healing' 2X a Templer when they count our wards? </p><p>Nerf.</p><p>Better to be quiet and happy. </p>

[NimSul]

<blockquote><hr>SunTsu wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:GAH! I should have never mentioned the DPS thing.I do /feedback all the time for them to make ward tracking in log like heals<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Why?</p><p>In my experience drawing attention to any positive about your class will certainly bring a nerf.</p><p>What will happen if the logs show us 'healing' 2X a Templer when they count our wards? </p><p>Nerf.</p><p>Better to be quiet and happy. </p><hr></blockquote>If we heal 2x of any other priest when counting the ward in the same senario then something is clearly wrong and they need to fix it, if we heal 2x of all the other priests we surely need a nerf

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>NimSul wrote:<blockquote>If we heal 2x of any other priest when counting the ward in the same senario then something is clearly wrong and they need to fix it, if we heal 2x of all the other priests we surely need a nerf<hr></blockquote></blockquote><p>LOL!  I swear Defilers must be the ONLY priests I know that would call a nerf for themselves!  and on the SOE Forums where MODS troll to boot!  Before the revamp Templars didn't say JACK about how their reactives assigned hate to the TANK and  how easy it was for them to single heal a group.  The ONLY Time you heard from them was when they lost their elite healing status and were no longer number 1, and they suddenly became the most vocal preists out there.</p><p>Good grief people, with all this bragging and chest pounding certain Defilers do on these forums they will end up nerfing us eventually, do you have to actually assist in the process?  And please stop the Fury hate and jealousy, its completely childish.  Furies suffered as we suffered for 9 dam months, let em have a little joy in peace!</p><p>They should make  a new caption for our subclass:  Defiler...Commander of Spirits, Poison & Disease...but, heh, Not too Bright! </p><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class="date_text">01-31-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:11 PM</span></p>

[MilkToa]

<div></div><p>The whole discussion is moot because we don't heal for 2x as much as other healers.</p><p> </p>

[sostrows]

<div></div><div></div>Relax Broom, as we all know, no SOE employee has ever posted to this Defiler forum except to tell folks to quit personal attacks.  I highly doubt they read these posts anyway.It's just a bunch of us Defilers talking to each other in a lonely room in the SOE castle.Also, I will NEVER put DPS in a post again as that one word seems to hijack any thread.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class="date_text">01-31-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:40 PM</span></p>

[SunT]

<div></div><p>2X was hypothetical.  I have no idea how we rank.</p><p>I do think the numbers would be impressive.  Not because of Uberness, but because we use all of the ward whereas a Direct healer will only get up to the max HP on there number.</p><p>It would be an impossible comparison.</p><p>Broom is right tho, quiet is better.  Happy classes get nerfed.  Well unless you are a Conj, they just keep getting upgrades.</p>

[VizP]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>Quote: Furies suffered as we suffered for 9 dam months, let em have a little joy in peace!---I believe we are all paying subscription for this game in the hope of having balanced classes - of course since it is a MMO, such a  goal is often long and hard to achieve. However when somethng is as clear as this...I think you may be confusnig EQ2 with a a candy shop, just because one kid hasnt had any candy for a long time doesnt mean he gets to have more than his share to compensate for all the time he didn't. LOL!P.S Talking about supposed defiler nerfs, if you have any sense, you can see exactly what I am doing when I am focussing on furies instead. Who btw actually 'deserve' the attention by their 'own' admission and it seems most of the community. Calling for their nerf isnt childish, its pushing towards the hope of a balanced game. Arguing against it is childish under the strange mentality that a class deserves to have the highest healing and dps parse of all healers as well as group invis etc etc, best advantage of prism x2 weapon etc 'because' they had issues for so long so they can have their time in the sun for a little bit before the guaranteed nerf. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]? How much time do thy deserve to compensate? One month? Three months? *rolls eyes.. * How about no time and back to balance.<p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:35 AM</span></p>

[NimSul]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Broomhilda wrote:<p>LOL!  I swear Defilers must be the ONLY priests I know that would call a nerf for themselves!  and on the SOE Forums where MODS troll to boot!  Before the revamp Templars didn't say JACK about how their reactives assigned hate to the TANK and  how easy it was for them to single heal a group.  The ONLY Time you heard from them was when they lost their elite healing status and were no longer number 1, and they suddenly became the most vocal preists out there.</p><p>Good grief people, with all this bragging and chest pounding certain Defilers do on these forums they will end up nerfing us eventually, do you have to actually assist in the process?  And please stop the Fury hate and jealousy, its completely childish.  Furies suffered as we suffered for 9 dam months, let em have a little joy in peace!</p><p>They should make  a new caption for our subclass:  Defiler...Commander of Spirits, Poison & Disease...but, heh, Not too Bright! </p><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class="date_text">01-31-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:11 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Wasnt you complaining that defilers was underpowered for 9 months? when we was underpowered in healing and asking for balance? and now your saying its only fair that furys are overpowered and they should be, and IF defilers was overpowered we should be too??? How do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously ?

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>NimSul wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Wasnt you complaining that defilers was underpowered for 9 months? when we was underpowered in healing and asking for balance?</p><p><font color="#ffff00">Yes I was, and we were.</font></p><p>and now your saying its only fair that furys are overpowered and they should be, and IF defilers was overpowered we should be too??? How do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously ?</p><p><font color="#ffff00">I never used the words OVERPOWERED...you did.</font>  <font color="#ffff00">I dont think anyone's overpowered at this point, I think balance is alot better than it was several months ago in fact.  You simply do not know how MMO's work and how DEVs buckle under pressure from the community.  You fail to understand this concept and you probably never will understand it.   </font></p><p><font color="#ffff00">Oh that's right...I remember you now and your resentfulness.  You were one of the ones happy to be a "backup" healer!  LOL!  </font></p><p><font color="#ffff00">Backup Healer FTW!  No wonder you don't care if we get the nerf bat! :smileyvery-happy:</font></p><p></p><hr></blockquote></blockquote>

[SunT]

<div></div><p>It is bad practice to ask for nerfs of any class no matter how seemingly out of balance they are.</p><p>If you feel your class needs fixed then say so and do it with a well thought out detailed description of how what and why and what a feasable solution might be.</p><p>Asking for Fury's to be nerfed because you feel they are over powered will only lead to Fury's asking for Defilers to be nerfed in some other way.  A vicious cycle with no winners.</p><p>Things always look different through anothers eyes.  I think you should leave Fury's to Fury's and leave Defilers to Defilers.</p>

[sostrows]

OMG - how do I close this thread that jumped the tracks a dozen posts ago?Gonna go jump off the EFP wall onto a ratonga.<div></div>

[Dragonreal]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>VizP wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>Quote: Furies suffered as we suffered for 9 dam months, let em have a little joy in peace!---I believe we are all paying subscription for this game in the hope of having balanced classes - of course since it is a MMO, such a  goal is often long and hard to achieve. However when somethng is as clear as this...I think you may be confusnig EQ2 with a a candy shop, just because one kid hasnt had any candy for a long time doesnt mean he gets to have more than his share to compensate for all the time he didn't. LOL!P.S Talking about supposed defiler nerfs, if you have any sense, you can see exactly what I am doing when I am focussing on furies instead. Who btw actually 'deserve' the attention by their 'own' admission and it seems most of the community. Calling for their nerf isnt childish, its pushing towards the hope of a balanced game. Arguing against it is childish under the strange mentality that a class deserves to have the highest healing and dps parse of all healers as well as group invis etc etc, best advantage of prism x2 weapon etc 'because' they had issues for so long so they can have their time in the sun for a little bit before the guaranteed nerf. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]? How much time do thy deserve to compensate? One month? Three months? *rolls eyes.. * How about no time and back to balance.<p>Message Edited by VizP on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:35 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>If you want Furies to not have the highest healing parses (which I really doubt is happening anyway unless your templars are lazy or stupid and even then your wardens must be too), stop asking for them to be nerfed which is bad form, but ask the devs to just make wards show up like heals in the logs. As was pointed out earlier, wards WILL be the highest parsed "heal" on a raid simply because of how the specialty heals get prioritzed (ie: wards get hit first before the damage gets to the target, then the reactives fire as the damage is hitting the target, then regens finally get to heal whatever's left over after the other two specialty heals are done firing.