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<div><font size="4" face="Garamond" color="#ff6600"><strong>I was wondering in your mid lvls 20-40... should I be buying the crafted chain armor or the crafted leather armor (lvl appropriate and imbued of course)... Someone told me to go for leather because the stats where better?? Not sure have not verified, but it seems the mitigation alone would be reason enough to stick with chain?? Any tips would be appreciated</strong></font></div>
Wiseman160
01-12-2006, 07:48 AM
<div>I don't think any of my stuff was crafted during those levels.</div><div>I went to the broker and searched for +wis items for my level and bought the items that added the most wisdom.</div><div> </div><div>This meant having a combination of chain, leather, and the very occasional cloth piece (I think I found some great +wis cloth cap and gloves)</div><div> </div>
Heptamer6
01-12-2006, 02:16 PM
<div></div><p>I put my Defiler always completely into chain armor (exception Efreeti boots) with looted treasure or bought things at the broker, even if sometimes leather or cloth have better stats. As power consumption of the Defiler is quite small and also resists are quite high due to our buffs there is no need to have a very very high WIS in the lower levels - even if you prefer to play solo sometimes it´s important to have a high mitigation, which you only can get with the chain armor.</p><p> </p>
<div></div><p>I am 42 now and have been going MIT all the way. I solo duo and trio only with him. Grouping as MH might be different but I have yet to have a power problem. </p><p>I usually fight yellow ^ mobs and can do it with maybe 15-20 sec of downtime in between. </p><p>If you are solo'n I would reccomend the highest MIT. If you are MH alot maybe go for the wis.</p><p>There are some nice leather items dropping now. Can't remember the name. But the stats were something like 8 AGI STR and WIS. Pretty good Mit for leather as well. I think they equip at 36 an there were 5-10 on the broker of my server so pretty cheap. For the 30 mit you loose they might be a good choice.</p>
Wiseman160
01-12-2006, 11:56 PM
<div>I disagree with these other posters...</div><div> </div><div>Having the highest Wisdom possible is ALWAYS better than mitigation.</div><div> </div><div>Firstly, you are a support class. Although we can solo fairly well, it is not our primary role and you should always equip yourself for your primary role.</div><div> </div><div>That being said, exchanging wisdom for mitigation for solo play is NOT a better strategy.</div><div> </div><div>Having more power for that extra ward or heal protects you much better than mitigation.</div><div> </div><div>If downtime is your concern, don't worry about your health adding to your downtime. Your extra power will allow you to heal yourself up during downtime.</div><div> </div><div>Buy good drinks and a spirit totem for power regeneration, and don't even worry about buying food at all. Heal youself and let your super fast out of combat power regeneration do its work.</div><div> </div><div>The only time in which you should worry about mitigation, INT or any stat other than Wisdom is after you have hit the Wisdom cap and have adept 1 or better on all of your spells.</div><div> </div>
masoninc61
01-13-2006, 12:06 AM
<div></div>Or you could have 2 sets of equpiment...
CrimsonAveng
01-13-2006, 01:14 AM
<div></div><p>For t6 i got all cobalt chain EXCEPT for shirt and pants i got leather. +20 wisdom on both sure is nice. IMHO wisdom is always more important just like for a mage intelligence is always most important. I dont solo (too slow) and in groups if I get hit it is usually</p><p>1. ward to early (my fault, im an idiot...pay more attention)</p><p>2. I wasnt behind and got barraged (again im an idiot...)</p><p>3. I got hit with an AOE</p><p>So 1 and 2 are easily preventable and wisdom helps with #3. So that's math as I see it.</p>
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wiseman160 wrote:<div>I disagree with these other posters...</div><div> </div><div>Having the highest Wisdom possible is ALWAYS better than mitigation.</div><div> </div><div>Firstly, you are a support class. Although we can solo fairly well, it is not our primary role and you should always equip yourself for your primary role.</div><div> </div><div>That being said, exchanging wisdom for mitigation for solo play is NOT a better strategy.</div><div> </div><div>Having more power for that extra ward or heal protects you much better than mitigation.</div><div> </div><div>If downtime is your concern, don't worry about your health adding to your downtime. Your extra power will allow you to heal yourself up during downtime.</div><div> </div><div>Buy good drinks and a spirit totem for power regeneration, and don't even worry about buying food at all. Heal youself and let your super fast out of combat power regeneration do its work.</div><div> </div><div>The only time in which you should worry about mitigation, INT or any stat other than Wisdom is after you have hit the Wisdom cap and have adept 1 or better on all of your spells.</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><p>I agree with your comment on the resists. I find that the highest MIT armor is rare crafted until t6. Rare crafted also has the highest resists.</p><p>It does not have the highest WIS.</p><p>I will wager that you will end up with more resists in T5 Rare crafted then you will in the best T5 Wis gear you can find.</p>
Owlbe
01-13-2006, 03:06 AM
<div></div><p>Depends on your play style.</p><p> </p><p>If you sit in the back and ALL WAYS group then go for wis, resists or whatever you need in what ever armor type as it won't matter since you won't be getting hit so it won't matter.</p><p>If you solo a lot or or duo or trio and you are getting hit alot then good chain armor is a must and you're not so much concerned with stats as mitigation is very important (ideally you want both good stats and mit of course)</p><p>I solo'ed alot with my defiler so after my AQ armor bit it I bought a suit of player made chain then started replacing parts of it with player made rare pieces (as I harvested them). </p><p> </p><p>Good Luck!</p><p> </p><p> </p>
<div>I usually shoot for Mitigation. Why? for the simple fact that if the encounter is spread out, and I am running my Mit Buff with Magic Ward I am going to get agro on the pull wether I have pre warded or not. Yes this simple little buff generates agro, why? Because, the ward part is constantly renewing itself. Therefore I am going to get hit. Yup, I do drop my single on the MT and then Group Ward. Guess what, in most cases I usually end up eating the group ward and possibly even taking damage. For that reason I wear as much Mitigation as possible and make sure my de-agro is handy. But does it work, sure does. I stand up better then the warden next to me if we catch a barrage because the tank got stunned and wasn't able to turn the mob, or if we catch an AoE Crushing during a raid.</div><div> </div><div>So I guess it comes down to two schools of thought. Max Wis VS Mitigation. Frankly I don't have power problems and my Wisdom pool is by far large enough with it easily going over cap during raids. I have yet to reach mitigation cap though.</div><div> </div><div>Just my 2 copper.</div>
radical_EDWARD
01-26-2006, 06:21 AM
<div><blockquote><hr>Wiseman160 wrote:<div>I disagree with these other posters...</div><div> </div><div>Having the highest Wisdom possible is ALWAYS better than mitigation.</div><div> </div><div>Firstly, you are a support class. Although we can solo fairly well, it is not our primary role and you should always equip yourself for your primary role.</div><div> </div><div>That being said, exchanging wisdom for mitigation for solo play is NOT a better strategy.</div><div> </div><div>Having more power for that extra ward or heal protects you much better than mitigation.</div><div> </div><div>If downtime is your concern, don't worry about your health adding to your downtime. Your extra power will allow you to heal yourself up during downtime.</div><div> </div><div>Buy good drinks and a spirit totem for power regeneration, and don't even worry about buying food at all. Heal youself and let your super fast out of combat power regeneration do its work.</div><div> </div><div>The only time in which you should worry about mitigation, INT or any stat other than Wisdom is after you have hit the Wisdom cap and have adept 1 or better on all of your spells.</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>lol ... clearly not a raider <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> yeah you can get away with VLA in a grp, but for high end raiding, STA+MIT > all other stats <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>personally i have over 3.1k mit and loving it, helps alot when i got agro on raid <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>
Tanit
01-26-2006, 06:26 AM
<div></div>I always get chain, whatever the stats are for the other crafted armor. Well, except for the gebs.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Tanith_ on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:27 AM</span></p>
Landaros
02-02-2006, 10:10 PM
Your gear should depend on your gaming style. Personally I like chain since I am the vet in our guild and I run upfront to show others the way.Certainly not the position a defiler should be, but thats the was I am playing and therefore I look for good chain/wis combos. Pure supporters probably go for max WIS, soloer for max MIT. Its your way to dress as you play - as long as you are efficient enough to keep the group alive.<div></div>
lordblackhea
02-10-2006, 09:46 PM
<div>ahh to go chain or not to ... that is up to are you a mainly grouping defiler if so go for stats its all about Wis and Power but on the other hand if you like to go solo as well chain is the way to go cus you will need the miti from the chain armor and shield is a good thing and yes GeBs are a must have . it is realy all about how you play and what you are good at i have known some defilers that a good grouping defilers yet suck when it comes down to soloing any thing and others that are the other way around and others like my self :smileywink: who are good in groups and good at soloing what does take time to git good at . in my point if you are good with both go chain with a one hander and shield . if you just good at soloing do the same . if exping in a group is your thing just go for stats dont care what kind of armor it is and hope yha have a tank that knows how to tuant lol :smileyvery-happy: ...... Unholy lvl 60 Defiler of Everfrost</div>
Landaros
02-13-2006, 07:58 PM
Personally I think there is no general answer to your question.I am going for max wisdom, therefore my equipment is mixed - leather and chainmail.<div></div>
skidmark
02-14-2006, 01:10 AM
I went through the AQ's and got the full set. I use that for all purposes, soloing and MH. My power only gets used up when there is an overpull. While soloing I tend to go with non-yellows and do faster kills with less downtime/risk. I might gain xp slightly slower that I could, but I only solo when there are absolutely no groups, or when doing writs.Full set stats:Mit: 668Str: 6Agi: 6Sta: 8Wis: 29Health: 76Power: 101Cold: 50Heat: 96Disease: 46Mental: 46Divine: 48I like the Wis increase because I am a Troll, but the Stamina might be lacking for some of the other races.
<div></div><p>Very nice information here that answered many of my questions.</p><p>I picked a Defiler as an alt because I've not seen many so far.</p><p> </p><p>What I would like to know is weapons. What should I look for in lower lvl's. Is there an item I should hunt for (just turned lvl 14) that is a must? I had a bone and made myself a bone wand and looted a silver symbol. Any sugestions? What weapons where you using in the lower tiers? Do we do our damage through spells or does a weapon count? </p>
burnabig
02-21-2006, 08:13 PM
<div></div>At lower levels I recomend going with cheap as you out grow your gear so fast. I am a raiding Defiler and at upper levels I prefer wisdom gear for power and resists against AE spells incase im ( not paying attention) accidently caught in range of one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />
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