Dealing with the ignorant masses on Wards as heals

[Rhe]

Lets be frank, I just came back so I'm stuck leveling with the casual crowd for a while.  It gets really old after basically keeping everyone up, especially casting emergency wards etc on bad pulls to keep everyone up when everyone gets stunned and everyone is at 1 bub of health until I can get group heals off and the same for the cleric in the group, and at the end of it, the tank does this:Great job healing, cleric, you guys ROCK!Whats the issue there?  Virtual W***G basically.  From reading a lot of posts, its not that defilers are poor healers, its the exact opposite, we actually are above par in a number of instances.  The problem is in fact no one has a clue what our wards are doing.A solution would be for the developers to give the damage that wards absorb their own color, say blue and have them be displayed in the battle spam (Green for heals, Orange for damage you do, Red damage your group takes, Grey damage your group do).  Simply add blue for damage your wards absorbed.All of sudden the nubes are like: Wow, great healing defiler and generic other healer if in group.<div></div>

[Mr_Isht]

This thread has potential for turning into a Defiler circle-jerk  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>You know what you should do?  Stop warding and see how much the tank like his or her Cleric.  When he or she asks if there is something wrong, simply say, "Oh sorry, I was afk."<div></div>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><div>The op has a good point.  Ward data should be parsed as regens and reactives are.  I can see the ward data on myself while soloing, why doesnt it show up during raids or groupings when its cast on others?  That makes no sense.  I parsed my last guild raid and all I saw were my direct heals in the data stream.  However that being said, at least on my server (Befallen) people seem to know that Defilers are excellent healers and tanks have said to me many times how little damage they take when grouped with me as solo healer. </div>

[Rhe]

Hence, why the damage mitigated should be its own color.  Its not a heal its mitigation.  It would be nice to see damage mitigated as something different.<div></div>

[Eileithia]

<div></div><p>I have to say that yes.. this is a problem.. we need some way of our wards to show up as "heals" in the parsing logs.. I even had our raid leader say that shamen were crappy healers because we only have 3 heals... I quickly shot him down saying that if I was not warding the fight would be over before it started.. (They're still stuck on the Clerics are gods mentality, but I'm working on that)..</p><p>Anyhow.. I would love to see some sort of visual feedback as to what the ward damage is.. maybe give them more of an indication of what's going on, and how good we actually are.. and also the damage mitigated needs to show up in the combat spam as a heal value so we don't look like slackers to those parsing fanatics..</p>

[Jazmynn]

<div></div><p>Aye I find it funny when the tank says the mob wasn't hitting for that much!  Then same mob next fight, WOW he hits so hard now must be bugged~</p><p>Or the best... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I didn't get a heal!  Were you asleep?  Laughs the joys of warding....</p>

[Blast2hell]

<div></div><div>In my guild, we realize what a heaven sent ability the ward is.  Essentially it gives the Tank "Invisible HP" in a way.  And handling some of the big hitting Raid encounters can be so much easier if you actually have wards on your MT.</div><div> </div><div>I also built a parsing program that does nothing but monitor real time Healing.  If you would like to get it, click the link below</div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.storeandserve.com/download/60333/PriestHealer_1_0_0_7.zip.html">http://www.storeandserve.com/download/60333/PriestHealer_1_0_0_7.zip.html</a></div><div> </div><div>The problem with the log file as has been pointed out, is it doesn't show wards.   It should say something like</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Shannons Wonderful Ward protects GleggtheMT from 369 points of damage.</div><div> </div><div>so on and so forth.</div><div>Thereby Identifying who casted, which ward spell they used, who they protected, and for how much.</div><div> </div><div>And trust me, I've been putting it in for feedback.   The moment I find out they update it so the log file shows it...I will immediately update my parsing program to attribute ward values to shamans as if they were heals.</div><div> </div><div>On a side note, the Templar spell Unyielding Benediction reacts like stoneskin...but doesn't attribute it to the templar, this is another thing that needs to be added in....as would the dirge stoneskin effects.</div>

[Ishnar]

<div></div><div>back in the day, wards were a major spam issue, they were under system message IIRC, so the main chat window would start scrolling really fast.</div><div> </div><div>If people start complaining, just tell them, "you're alive---Right?"  Also, It's possible he wasn't being sarcastic.</div><p>Message Edited by Ishnar on <span class="date_text">01-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:39 PM</span></p>

[sely]

<div></div>Mr_Ishtar wrote:This thread has potential for turning into a Defiler circle-jerk  <span><img height="16" width="16" border="0" src="../../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif"></span>You know what you should do?  Stop warding and see how much the tank like his or her Cleric.  When he or she asks if there is something wrong, simply say, "Oh sorry, I was afk."<div>___________________________<a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=105109104" target="_blank">Ishtar</a>, Kerra Defiler of the Journeymen of the Overlord, Antonia Bayle_____________________________________________ ______________________________I have to admit to doing this once or twice in groups (usually with an inquisitor/templar in the group, and I'm not saying anything about their ability to heal). Sometimes if a fight is going slightly wrong, and the groups health is going down fast, even with me warding like mad and throwing whatever heals I can, only to see the group being told "Joe-so-inquisitor, great healing", I get highly irritated. In this case I say I need a quick afk and watch what happens when my wards are no longer available for a fight... I know this is bold (/sneaky grin) but it soon makes the group realise that my power isn't going down for nothing!!! Sure enough, next time the group is told "well done on the healing BOTH of you".......</div><div></div>

[Itzon-Hu]

<div>When people complain that there parser doesn't show me doing any heals, I ask then if there hp ever went below 80 % and if they think the realy only took the 2k damage that the ( insert other healer  hear) healed them for.  If they say yes, I let them die next round ( no wards.  most of the time the other healer can keep them alive, most of the time :smileywink: ) then I start using my macro for ignorant people ( es i have on made just for them )</div><div> </div><div>It goes like this.</div><div>/usea Calamitous Shroud</div><div>/g Casting Ward on %t ( this is 1394 points of healing.  you wont see it in your logs as you will never be touched for this amount of damage)</div><div> </div><div>/usea Carrion Aegis</div><div>/g Casting Group Ward ( This is for 2237 points of healing....  Yes its group wide, but if our tanks worth anything, he will use it all by making sure noone else gets any damage)</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>After 3 - 4 fights with that spamming by they tend to realize just howmuch we heal.</div><div> </div><div>If that still doesn't work i tell them to go back and added it up, nad devide the total by the length of time the fight took. ( that always shuts them up when they gett to add 300 HPS to your total)</div><div> </div><div>Then i inform them that i have a ward that gets refreshed every 5 seconds for 300+ that they don't seem to see eather =)</div>

[VizP]

It boggles my mind though how people can not simply understand a ward preventing damage is the same as a heal that recovers health! The fact it isnt parsed is unfortunate but clearly shamans are doing a heck of a lot ... jsut because a parse doesnt show it doesnt mean they should consider our pure heals the only healing factor, especially due to the HUGE effect of our large wards in preventing damage. It isnt even ignorance, it actually is stupidity.<div></div>

[Turb]

Turn off the +1000-odd hp buffs too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[LokiHellsson]

<div></div>I've played a shaman for a few levels and the wards seem to prevent interrupts.  Is that for real?  If so, a ward is much better than a heal.

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<div></div><p>The problem is, Defilers get no love. Ok, people snap up the oppertunity to get a Defiler in the group but after that, nothing else no "Great job" or whatever; it's completely taken for granted most of the time when you save the whole group from red bar HP and a wipe. I'm not saying that I want people to kiss my shoes every time I heal them but it would be nice if priest classes in general were a little more appreciated.</p><p>I'm often the sole healer in the group so I don't get the "Great job cleric!" stuff. IMHO, a Defiler is the only healer you need in a group providing you aren't raiding. Problem is, we just don't get credit for a particularlly good round of heals.</p><p>Having said that, it's nice to have the occasional appreciative group.</p>

[Dragonreal]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Deadly Nightshadow wrote:<div></div><p>The problem is, Defilers get no love. Ok, people snap up the oppertunity to get a Defiler in the group but after that, nothing else no "Great job" or whatever; it's completely taken for granted most of the time when you save the whole group from red bar HP and a wipe. I'm not saying that I want people to kiss my shoes every time I heal them but it would be nice if priest classes in general were a little more appreciated.</p><p>I'm often the sole healer in the group so I don't get the "Great job cleric!" stuff. IMHO, a Defiler is the only healer you need in a group providing you aren't raiding. Problem is, we just don't get credit for a particularlly good round of heals.</p><p>Having said that, it's nice to have the occasional appreciative group.</p><hr></blockquote>I really wonder sometimes if any hlr gets that very often.. and imo any hlr class that's played well can solo heal normal grps 99% of the time. On my warden, I was solo healing stuff from the time the expansion released (ie before all the fixes to warden healing) and I never once got any accolades for the job I did with my back-then "[Removed for Content]" heals. I'd say I could at least appreciate my alts' hlrs but all my alts ARE hlrs barring the one black sheep that I never play anymore =/

[Ishnar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Itzon-Huta wrote:<div>When people complain that there parser doesn't show me doing any heals, I ask then if there hp ever went below 80 % and if they think the realy only took the 2k damage that the ( insert other healer  hear) healed them for.  If they say yes, I let them die next round ( no wards.  most of the time the other healer can keep them alive, most of the time :smileywink: ) then I start using my macro for ignorant people ( es i have on made just for them )</div><div> </div><div>It goes like this.</div><div>/usea Calamitous Shroud</div><div>/g Casting Ward on %t ( this is 1394 points of healing.  you wont see it in your logs as you will never be touched for this amount of damage)</div><div> </div><div>/usea Carrion Aegis</div><div>/g Casting Group Ward ( This is for 2237 points of healing....  Yes its group wide, but if our tanks worth anything, he will use it all by making sure noone else gets any damage)</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Itzon.   You are a poet and a scholar.

[Ishnar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>LokiHellsson wrote:<div></div>I've played a shaman for a few levels and the wards seem to prevent interrupts.  Is that for real?  If so, a ward is much better than a heal.<hr></blockquote>That has been my experience and I've seen it written somewhere as well.

[Itzon-Hu]

<div></div><p>Thank you.. but i will drop the scholar part. </p><p>If there where no spelling mistakes in there, I would be amazed =)</p><p> </p><p>Oh and thanks for reminding me.  I need to drop my buffs off the MA when that hapens also =)</p>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>LokiHellsson wrote:<div></div>I've played a shaman for a few levels and the wards seem to prevent interrupts.  Is that for real?  If so, a ward is much better than a heal.<hr></blockquote><p>This has been discussed before, and the final word is wards DO NOT prevent interrupts.  I still get interrupted when soloing and dueling while completely warded with my single and group wards.  IF that was the case anytime a shaman laid out a group ward, no one in group would be interrupted...which is not the case.  If wards prevented interrupts, Shaman would be unbeatable in duels as many classes (brusiers, guardians, rangers etc.) specifically use interrupts to prevent us from casting.  Again, this is not the case.</p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class="date_text">01-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:23 AM</span></p>

[NimSul]

<div>Dont rely too much on what a parse says, our necro has parsed more healing than me on a godking kill, and from just today i parsed 0 hp on the sphinx in gates and 1944 hp on adofo in gates :smileyvery-happy:</div>

[Blast2hell]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>NimSul wrote:<div>Dont rely too much on what a parse says, our necro has parsed more healing than me on a godking kill, and from just today i parsed 0 hp on the sphinx in gates and 1944 hp on adofo in gates :smileyvery-happy:</div><hr></blockquote><p>As long as everyone is in range, the heal parser I programmed is accurate.  Even takes into account warden and mystic pets.   No wards are not counted, and that you can lay at the feet of SoE.  I do a /feedback about it every night I'm on a raid about the fact that wards need to be added to the logs.</p><p>On a bragging point, all the priest in my guild are smart enough to know that shamans rock and we can't count there wards, so when the heal totals show the shaman out healing the other priest,  they know that shaman was laying down some major priestage power.</p>

[NimSul]

<div></div><div>I have no doubt your parser is 100% accurate, my point is the log info is far from 100% accurate, the log is consisting of things that happen within a certain range of you, so place 2 people with the same parser different places in raids and im sure you will get different results, in some of the dps related threads people are saying that on the same raid a person can parse 100k+ damage different due to this over a raid zone. Same thing would happen for heals im sure. Dont rely too much on what a parse says :smileyvery-happy:</div><div> </div><div>on a "debraggin" note hehe, if a shaman is parsing more healing than a cleric/druid, either the other healer is totally useless and dont know their class or the shammy is spending too much time doing direct heals and not reaching his healing potential, or a combo.</div><p>Message Edited by NimSul on <span class="date_text">01-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:13 PM</span></p>

[Dragonreal]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Blast2hell wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>NimSul wrote:<div>Dont rely too much on what a parse says, our necro has parsed more healing than me on a godking kill, and from just today i parsed 0 hp on the sphinx in gates and 1944 hp on adofo in gates :smileyvery-happy:</div><hr></blockquote><p>As long as everyone is in range, the heal parser I programmed is accurate.  Even takes into account warden and mystic pets.   No wards are not counted, and that you can lay at the feet of SoE.  I do a /feedback about it every night I'm on a raid about the fact that wards need to be added to the logs.</p><p>On a bragging point, all the priest in my guild are smart enough to know that shamans rock and we can't count there wards, so when the heal totals show the shaman out healing the other priest,  they know that shaman was laying down some major priestage power.</p><hr></blockquote>It gets mystic pet's heals but it still doesn't catch warden pet heals =( tested today on our raid right after I was rezzed adn it was picking up our mystic's bear pet but not my tree =/

[Blast2hell]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dragonrealms wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Blast2hell wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>NimSul wrote:<div>Dont rely too much on what a parse says, our necro has parsed more healing than me on a godking kill, and from just today i parsed 0 hp on the sphinx in gates and 1944 hp on adofo in gates :smileyvery-happy:</div><hr></blockquote><p>As long as everyone is in range, the heal parser I programmed is accurate.  Even takes into account warden and mystic pets.   No wards are not counted, and that you can lay at the feet of SoE.  I do a /feedback about it every night I'm on a raid about the fact that wards need to be added to the logs.</p><p>On a bragging point, all the priest in my guild are smart enough to know that shamans rock and we can't count there wards, so when the heal totals show the shaman out healing the other priest,  they know that shaman was laying down some major priestage power.</p><hr></blockquote>It gets mystic pet's heals but it still doesn't catch warden pet heals =( tested today on our raid right after I was rezzed adn it was picking up our mystic's bear pet but not my tree =/<hr></blockquote>really? that's odd, when I did the fix I only tested warden, and assumed mystic worked the same.   mind getting me some sample text of your log file where your pet was doing the healing?  I would like to see if there are diffrences from the log samples I used.

[Blast2hell]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>NimSul wrote:<div></div><div>I have no doubt your parser is 100% accurate, my point is the log info is far from 100% accurate, the log is consisting of things that happen within a certain range of you, so place 2 people with the same parser different places in raids and im sure you will get different results, in some of the dps related threads people are saying that on the same raid a person can parse 100k+ damage different due to this over a raid zone. Same thing would happen for heals im sure. Dont rely too much on what a parse says :smileyvery-happy:</div><div> </div><div>on a "debraggin" note hehe, if a shaman is parsing more healing than a cleric/druid, either the other healer is totally useless and dont know their class or the shammy is spending too much time doing direct heals and not reaching his healing potential, or a combo.</div><p>Message Edited by NimSul on <span class="date_text">01-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:13 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>your absolutely correct,  a range issue can't be overcomed at this time.  Although, on my raids, all the healers are supposed to be together.   A future build of my program will isolate the amount of heals on whoever you tell the parser is the Main Tank, and also total that value. </div>

[Feanor Baugl]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Broomhilda wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>LokiHellsson wrote:<div></div>I've played a shaman for a few levels and the wards seem to prevent interrupts.  Is that for real?  If so, a ward is much better than a heal.<hr></blockquote><p>This has been discussed before, and the final word is wards DO NOT prevent interrupts.  I still get interrupted when soloing and dueling while completely warded with my single and group wards.  IF that was the case anytime a shaman laid out a group ward, no one in group would be interrupted...which is not the case.  If wards prevented interrupts, Shaman would be unbeatable in duels as many classes (brusiers, guardians, rangers etc.) specifically use interrupts to prevent us from casting.  Again, this is not the case.</p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class="date_text">01-14-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:23 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Today I heard a discussion about the best healer class for pvp and someone started sayin. "its Defilers their wards absorb tons of dmg and prevent interrupts" why do people think it prevents interrups... Can't be Defilers sayin that.</span></div>

[Rhe]

I dueled a 60 dirge, with wards up no interupts, with wards down interupts all over the place.  For pvp, wards prevent interrupts.  He had 3 levels on me or my dots would've stuck and he would've been dead quickly.<div></div>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhent wrote:I dueled a 60 dirge, with wards up no interupts, with wards down interupts all over the place.  For pvp, wards prevent interrupts.  He had 3 levels on me or my dots would've stuck and he would've been dead quickly.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Perhaps you resisted his interupts, I'm not sure, but I'd like to hear other peoples experience on this.  I have dueled many times fully warded and been interrupted. </p><p>Anyone else have experience with this?</p>

[Docimodo]

<div>A possibilty is that ordinary interupts are prevented ie those from having a loss to your hp whereas forced interupts from shield bash/knockbacks or other skills/spells will penetrate the wards protection and get u that way. This would seem to be logical imo but im not sure was jus throwin a suggestion to the wind</div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><p>Wards prevent damage, heals cure damage.  They are two equal but different methods of achieving the primary goal of a priest:  to prevent the tank's hp from reaching zero.</p><p><span class="postbody">I strongly object to the use of healing parsers, and believe they are counterproductive to optimum healing at raids. When healing parsers are used at raids, shaman often begin healing rather than warding to a much greater extent than normal, because they want to be included in the numbers at as high a level as possible. This is simply human nature.But Shaman should be using wards rather than heals to the greatest extent possible and appropriate under the circumstances.  Accordingly, I consider the use of parsers that only parse damage cured (heals) rather than damage prevented (wards) to be destructive to our mission as priests at a raid.</span></p><p><span class="postbody">But we all know how many players love numbers and like to feel as if they are doing a better job or contributing more than others.  This is a losing battle for shaman until SoE reports the numbers for damage prevented as it does for damage cured.  There is no good reason why it should not do both.</span></p>

[Rhe]

The only time I got interupts was when wards were down.<div></div>

[JoePa]

Little different perspective.  Much of the arguement involves including our wards as a method of healing to educate the ignorant when viewing healing meters.  As the previous poster stated, these types of evaluations only lead to poor behavior. That said, we begin to travel down a slippery slope as to how various spells are measured.  Shouldn't our Poison/Dis mitagation debuffs be included in our DPS?  How about our HP buffs, aren't these in effect a form of pro-active healing?   How would you classify something like increased power, or the use of a crytallized soul?Most classes bring value to an encounter, not all people are going to understand the full capabilities of each.  Either educate or allow them to remain in the dark.  Most of YOU know how valuable you are, and most people that matter probably do also.

[Dragonreal]

<div></div>You could even take this a step further with the healing parsers... how do you account for say curing a dot.. say something like static pulse that you see all over the place that can do hundreds or thousands per tick? Heal parses need to be considered as for fun and not as something to be taken really seriously because wards can't be parsed, the effect of curing dots and debuffs off your mt can't be parsed, the effects of debuffing mobs can't be parsed, stoneskin procs, ac buffs, resist buffs.. pretty much anything you do as a healer that is not actually a heal can't be parsed.

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dragonrealms wrote:<div></div>You could even take this a step further with the healing parsers... how do you account for say curing a dot.. say something like static pulse that you see all over the place that can do hundreds or thousands per tick? Heal parses need to be considered as for fun and not as something to be taken really seriously because wards can't be parsed, the effect of curing dots and debuffs off your mt can't be parsed, the effects of debuffing mobs can't be parsed, stoneskin procs, ac buffs, resist buffs.. pretty much anything you do as a healer that is not actually a heal can't be parsed.<hr></blockquote>yup , and thats why everytime somebody posted healing parse in my guild i want to kick them in the face.

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<div></div>Whenever I'm grouped with a parser faschist, I stop warding after the first parse. Everyone else is doing the same but the tank is gerring in deep ****. They ask what's going on and I explain- that way the clerics don't get showered with confetti.EDITAvoidance tanks appreciate us warders though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Deadly Nightshadow on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:43 PM</span></p>

[sostrows]

i dont expect "thanks for the saving the day" from DPS types - as long as the MT appreciates me, i'm pretty much happy.i sometimes think of a 6 person grp as a core "crowd control-heal" nucleus (tank/priest normally) + dps folks (whom i image just spamming endless attack buttons trying to see who can hit for the highest).nothing as cool as having a good MT-MH relationship<div></div>

[posseder]

<div></div>yes the defiler own curse they dont see half of what we do leaving us with the defiler suck trend.i aggree with previous post where i dont run another healer with me other than raiding simply cause im quite able to do it on my own and it saves listening to the others praising the other healer class if i have one in group with me wich is quite anoying.and as for raid i do the same thing when they get all high on cleric fumes i stop debuffing and warding and watch the same epic rip a chunck out of the mt while all the healer class barely keep him orange often resulting in a wipe. then i debuff and ward again keeping mt full green bar all the duration of the fight and yea it might be dirty but i find it to be the best cure for a raid guild being high on clerics fumes.defiler dont suck defiler rock.keep solo healing everything eventually they will clue in.

[sostrows]

doing Deception drakota in FG last nite in the repeatable "getting prismatics for buddy" quest line when....16 ppl, ~58 lvl average, im the only shaman and MT never took 1 HP of damage.  I know its just a 52x4 green mob but its nice when you can basically solo heal a raid level mob.MT tank was cuddled in a thick velvet blanket of wards the entire time with a debuffed mob.maybe that should be our new class motto, "defilers make raids look easy" or something.<div></div>

[Eileithia]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:doing Deception drakota in FG last nite in the repeatable "getting prismatics for buddy" quest line when....16 ppl, ~58 lvl average, im the only shaman and MT never took 1 HP of damage.  I know its just a 52x4 green mob but its nice when you can basically solo heal a raid level mob.MT tank was cuddled in a thick velvet blanket of wards the entire time with a debuffed mob.maybe that should be our new class motto, "defilers make raids look easy" or something.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Ya.. had the exact same thing happen when we did a couple of the Deception mobs.. we brough like 4 healers (2 of them actually needed the updates) and we were around 55-60 for the most part..</p><p>Tank didn't get hit ONCE.. (I was the only shammy).. the other healers and the raid leader were praising the Tanks gear because he wasn't getting hit.. I quickly did a /flex in the riad channel and the tank said... "No.. we have a Defiler.. we don't need anyone else.."</p><p>I was so proud of him! :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Turb]

It's nice to spread the word <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I'm not an xp hog. I prefer to quest, craft and help guildies and mentor/etc.But was in Permafrost the other night in a trio with Zerker and Conjuror, and we racked up amazing xp without ever being in danger. Tank was at 100% health most of the time. Made two levels in under 3 hours overall, going from L44.4 to L46.4. Fighting mobs up to 48^^^. Tank was very happy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Permafrost is a beautiful zone and we never saw anyone else in there.

[okc]

<div></div><p>More attention = more nerfs.   If you know you're the heat keep it on the downlow, think everyone else cares how leet you are? </p><p>You're right they do! Especially if they believe you, batta batta batta swinnnng</p>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>okc0r wrote:<div></div><p>More attention = more nerfs.   If you know you're the heat keep it on the downlow, think everyone else cares how leet you are? </p><p>You're right they do! Especially if they believe you, batta batta batta swinnnng</p><hr></blockquote><p>Agreed.  Alot of people simply do not understand this very simple truism of MMORPGs.  Hopefully when the Defiler nerfs start Vanguard will be out and I will have a choice if I decide to jump ship.</p><p>:smileywink:</p><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class="date_text">01-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:24 PM</span></p>

[NimSul]

<div></div><p>But if a nerf is needed to balance the game wouldnt it be better that the devs know?</p><p>How many would like templars to be the one far and away best healer again? Im all for nerfs if they are needed even to my own class. If im better then other healers i would like to think its because its me thats better and not just because my class is better. Call it pride in what i do, weather it be a game, a sport, my studies or my job.</p>

[VizP]

Yes because Vanguard is going to be the epitome of balance, fairness and gaming goodness <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> LOL.. Ive never seen the hype machine spin so well before.. well before Star Wars Galaxies. And err.. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[sostrows]

Agree with Nimsul big time on this one.I think us "older" defilers that had to deal with every other spell bugged and [Removed for Content] wards had our skills forged to a high level.  Temps are the most generic/popular/logically straightforward priest to play.  They are the generic, you want to try a healer....roll a Templar.  Subsequently, I think the <u>average</u> skill level as players of level 60 defilers is higher that the average level 60 Templar.  I think that general rule is probably true for any of the evil/obscure classes.   The key is finding the great Templars and getting them into your guild for raids 8-)<div></div>

[skidmark]

Last night me and a 37 Berserker form a group. The first thing he says is "all we need is a healer and we will be good to go".Later on in the same group a 36 Necro joins the group after someone else leaves and 15 mintues later after running to RoV after we told them Runnyeye 4 times, they say "are we looking for a healer?" What is worse, I grouped with the Necro the night before, and they still had no idea that I was keeping their pet and them alive. Some people just aren't very observant.

[Lyasa]

heh. on the "we need a healer" thing. i group w/ a friend who does a bruiser and i do defiler, we start a group for RE, (high 30's at the time) and get a few people in. 2nd thing i hear is "so are we looking for a healer?", first being "where we going?"funny thing is now we duo yellow ^^^ named on occasion. like lord rulgax (got me an Achon Great Flail, fear my melee dps!)another time i took a pick-up group in CT i solo healed at 41 against some named red ^^^, that was an interesting fight..  ended up having to use the death intercept to keep tank alive, but the group survived, yet no words of praise, except in a tell from the coercer, and that's always nice.<div></div>

[BALTO]

<div></div><div>A possibilty is that ordinary interupts are prevented ie those from having a loss to your hp whereas forced interupts from shield bash/knockbacks or other skills/spells will penetrate the wards protection and get u that way. This would seem to be logical imo but im not sure was jus throwin a suggestion to the wind</div><div>Merrissa, Defiler of the world Toxxulia.yep, right on the nose. skill/combat/spell interrupts still go thru, but the ones that happen when your be'n hit no longer phase ya.  forgot the skill check that is used for completen a cast while be'n wailed on,</div><div></div>