Defiler Spells: Working, Broken and Unused... Community Effort (UPDATED 15 MAR)

[11B3VB4]

<BR> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4><FONT color=#ffff00 size=5> <P><FONT size=4>They already know Wards are not nearly as efficient as other Heals!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>If they don't I'll sum up:</FONT></P> <OL> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Drasticlly underpowered compared to Druid/Cleric Heals...(even with debuffs)</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Bleed over damage unmitigated by anything...</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Do nothing to mitigate caster dmg.. Clerics heal, Druids Heal...Shaman?</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>"all healer subclasses can heal equaly, just in different ways". untrue statement</FONT></LI></OL></FONT></FONT> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>What I would like this to be about is our other spells....</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>Please post what you've found. There is alot of information on this board and it's good information. The problem comes when you try to locate information on a specific spell or spell line. If we can get a summary of what is working, Broken or unused due to bad spell design, I think we'll go along way to improving our class.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I don't test well, I get in game and just go for broke with what I'm given. I know things aren't right, but I don't have the numbers etc. But who better to find and know what is wrong with Defiler spells than the Defiler community. So what I'm asking is for you to post below and state the spell name and the problems you find. Once we get a second similar opinion and get the problem isolated we'll list it.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I'm going to leave my feelings and findings out of this, as I don't want it to be a biased list based upon my sole adventures, but rather a collection from the Defiler community. I'd try to keep opinions out of this, save for the unused spells portion. Please don't list a spell broken because you "feel" it should do something different. This is just to get spells doing at least do what they say they should be doing.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I hope:</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>1) This will provide future and upcoming Defilers a player based information system.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>2) This will provide Dev's the ability to see what the Defiler community has found.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>3) This should simplify and or reduce the number of questions about this spells amd their effects.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>4) Will allow us as a community to track changes and needed fixes as we see them.</P> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P><FONT color=#ff9900>I'm also going to go over the boards at time permits and add what has been written there. So if you don't feel like reposting that's fine, I'm sure I'll get to it in time.</FONT></P></FONT><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00>WORKING</FONT> <FONT color=#66ff00>/</FONT> <FONT color=#ff0000>BROKEN</FONT> <FONT color=#ff0000>/</FONT> <FONT color=#cc00ff>FLAWED /</FONT> <FONT color=#ffff00>UNUSED / </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>UNKNOWN / </FONT><FONT color=#ff99cc></FONT><FONT color=#ff9900>QUESTION</FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><BR> <HR> <BR></DIV><BR> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Minor Healing-</U></STRONG> WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Smite</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Minor Arch Healing-</U></STRONG> WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Courage -</U></STRONG> WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Divine Providence</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Cure Noxious-</U></STRONG> WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Summon Food & Water</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( Though it summons usless food)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Weakness</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Revive</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Enduring Breath</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Wailing Haze</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Contagion</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Spirit Guide</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Spectral Ward</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( Save for the known Ward issues )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><U><STRONG>Spiritual Seal</STRONG></U></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG><U>Phantasm</U></STRONG>- QUESTION ( level restriction ? Is there a set maximum level that it will effect?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff6600></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Spirit of the Wolf</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( 20% unscaleable )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Breath of Spirits</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><U><STRONG>Ward of Spirit</STRONG></U></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff9900><STRONG><U>Grey Wind</U></STRONG>- QUESTION ( have they fixed the spell description yet? to decrease speed as opposed to increasing)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff9900></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff9900><STRONG><U>Eidolic Ward</U></STRONG>- QUESTION (anyone tested against the dot dmg bug? )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff9900></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Mending Spirit</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Auspice</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Totemic Aid</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Spirit of the Bull</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Healing Ritual</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#cc00ff><STRONG><U>Expunge Elements</U></STRONG>- FLAWED? ( Elemental ward lasts 6 sec... ?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff9900></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><U><STRONG>Spirit of the Badger</STRONG></U>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#cc00ff><STRONG><U>Baleful Countenance</U></STRONG>- FLAWED ( Everyone becomes Human Male with ponytail ) Graphics</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Yoppa's Rodent Form</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( Thanks )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Revulsion</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Degeneration</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Contamination</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#663399><STRONG><U>Vehemmence-</U> </STRONG>FLAWED AppIV to Adept 1 upgrade provides 1 extra stamina point only.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Fuliginous Sphere</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG><U>Abominus</U></STRONG>- UNUSED ( Wont proc while using wards, Dot effect 3 ticks 9-11 dmg) This work tested today.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Curse of Shielding</U></STRONG>- (training upgrade) BROKEN ( Wards Enemy MOB, stifles Caster )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Spectral Guard</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( save for known ward issues )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Devigorating Chant</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Increases Hate, rather than reducing it. At least in the description. Drains 34 power?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Profane Accretion</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG><U>Vile Imprecation</U></STRONG>- QUESTION? ( No Buff Icon for Noxious / Arcane mitiagations . Duration of debuff?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff6600></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Distill Soul-</U></STRONG> WORKING ( again a 75% chance to recieve the soul item)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Putrified Balm</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Place proc buff on the caster instead of target)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG><U>Dire Effluence</U></STRONG>- QUESTION? ( Ward that periodically absorbs Disease Dmg... Anyone seen it work?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff6600></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Foreboding</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Wunshi's Foul Sickening</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( Thanks )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Seeping Eschar</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Still disappears with DoT Dmg)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Senscence-</U></STRONG> WORKING ( limited casting range ? )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Apothic Touch</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Dire Shroud</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Sacrificial Aid</U></STRONG>- WORKING ( Thanks )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ff00></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#cc00ff><STRONG><U>Sinister Countenance</U></STRONG>- FLAWED ( Everyone becomes Human Male with ponytail ) Graphics</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Tnedrils of Fear-</U></STRONG> WORKING ( Results inbound )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Turgur's Spirit Sight</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Loathing</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Suppuration</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Stam debuff not working )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><BR></P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Atrophy</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Stam debuff not working )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Fuliginous Coil</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Primordial Terror</U></STRONG>-BROKEN (Primordial terror is useless. I spent the time to max the skill, and it is still resisted often. When it does land, the fear lasts for a few seconds - the mob is rooted for a few seconds - and that is it.)</FONT></LI></UL><FONT color=#ff0000> <P><BR></P></FONT> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG><U>Watery Horror</U></STRONG>- UNUSED ( Do we really need this many enduring breath spells?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Malefic Shroud</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Turgurs Instant Relief</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><U><STRONG>Bane of Shielding</STRONG></U>- BROKEN ( Heals caster instead of the Tank )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff9900><STRONG><U>Eerie Avenger-</U></STRONG> QUESTION ( Some state it works, others can't get it to work... Any definitive tests out there )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Devitalizing Chant</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Increases Hate )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Mail of Souls</U></STRONG>- BROKEN (</FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>Increases Hate in the long run as well, supposed to decrease)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><STRONG><U>Venal Accretion</U></STRONG></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Carrion Shield</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Still dropping when hit by a DoT)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Fetid Balm</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Place proc buff on the caster instead of target)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff9900><STRONG><U>Crystallize Soul-</U></STRONG> QUESTION (appears to have a 75% chance to give soul item)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#cc00ff><STRONG><U>Ruinous Imprecation</U></STRONG>- FLAWED (Our level 20ish nuke and Runious imprecation do basically the exact same damage at adept 1. Very very minor difference in the two spells.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Harbinger</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Dread Invective</U></STRONG>-WORKING ( procs randomly during fight, seems to be fine )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Form of the Spirit Hawk-</U>  </STRONG>WORKING ( form of a ghost hawk )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Baleful Efflux</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Sacrificial Alleviation</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Apothic Corruption</U></STRONG>- WORKING </FONT><FONT color=#66ff00>Working, yet completley underpowered. Although a poor comparison, Warlocks get a group DoT that does 600 damage a tick to each mob and this does 80dmg a tick to each mob. I'll try and find a better coomparison later.</FONT></LI></UL> <P> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#ff9900><STRONG><U>Voracity-</U></STRONG>QUESTION ( Hmm 1 more str for voracity than pervious buff. Ok wow. Nice buff. granted it does give you like 60 power. Still not much of an upgrade over a spirit of the badger which is sub level 20.)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff9900></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#663399><U><STRONG>Loathesome Seal</STRONG></U>- FLAWED Upgrades ( App4 --> AdI just costs 1 more power... no benifit) Recast timer starts AFTER spell wears off.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Ghastly Shroud</U></STRONG>- WORKING</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>malefic Countenance</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U>Abhorrence</U></STRONG></FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG><U>Tendrils of Terror</U></STRONG>-QUESTION (Only lasts 3 min, another line based on getting hit? Wards?)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff6600></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG><U>Juka's Smoldering Essence-</U></STRONG> WORKING ( Gas cloud ? )</FONT></LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Malestrom of Decay</U></STRONG>- BROKEN (Malestorm does absolutely nothing other than root you and silence you for 1 minute. It does a 20 a tick dot that is a absolute joke seeing as you are rooted and can not cast any other spells for 1 minute. And wow is that a long minute. OH and evertime you cast the spell it says you get interrupted even though you dont and the spell lands.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG><U>Vivication</U></STRONG>- QUESTION (What is the point, 22nd lvl spell does the same thing)</FONT></LI></UL> <P> </P> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff6600><STRONG><U>Purulence</U></STRONG>- QUESTION(Pet not being summoned upon ward break for some / Possible miswording in description)</FONT></LI></UL><BR> <P><FONT color=#66ffff>General Spell Problems & Concerns:</FONT></P><BR> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#66ffff>All debuffs fade early. Only one ultra grey mobs (lvl 30 defiler vs lvl 10 mob) do debuffs last the entire 1 minute and 10 seconds. The amount of reduction does NOT scale as gradually as melee DPS as the mob level increases compared to the player level. Having to recast a debuff 15 seconds after I cast it against an Orange ^^ mob just plain sucks...especially when there isn't a single melee special attack the MISSES. ( Retested today, Even drops early on green cons 6 levels below)</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ccff></FONT> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#66ccff>Strength- is really having the effect it is supposed to.  Most of our debuffs are related to lowering Str and therefor DMG output.  With the strength changes that went in on mobs and players I think we are really getting short changed in the debuff department.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ccff></FONT> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#66ccff>Group slow? The community has several times wondered why a Mystic would have the ability to defile an entire group while a defiler must defile one at a time.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ccff></FONT> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#66ccff>Slow %- The community has questions regarding the fact that a Mystic can "Defile" a target for 35% slow, while a Defiler is limited to 10%. Again this is a concern, if it's intended and is within the "Vision" for the Defiler class please advise so we can move on.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ccff></FONT> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#00cccc>Our heals use way more mana than a level 50 templars heals and heal for less. We compared them this weekend.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#00cccc></FONT> </P> <UL> <LI><FONT color=#66ffff>It 100% appears that they took our level 20 spells, copy and paste them to 30, copy and paste them to 40, and then edited a multiplier for 30 and 40. Problem is that they didnt edit the multiplier correctly. We might as well of gotten just upgrades to our 20s rather than them wasting time creating new names for the 30-50.</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#66ccff></FONT> </P><BR> <P></P> <DIV> <P> </P></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:17 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:19 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:19 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:20 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:27 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:32 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:41 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>02-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:51 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>03-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:44 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>03-02-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:24 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <SPAN class=date_text>03-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:19 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <span class=date_text>03-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:20 PM</span>

[11B3VB4]

<DIV>Anyone have anything to add... I know if we develop a solid list that is easy to understand and community wide we can get the needed fixes implemented. At a minimum we can get a [FAAR-NERFED!] and we'll know were going to be like this for a while.</DIV>

[Di0Xi]

<hr><blockquote>Curse of Shielding- BROKEN ( Wards Enemy MOB, stifles Caster ) </blockquote><hr>Only the training form of this stifles, not the normal version.Also add in that putrified balm and fetid balm put the proc buff part on the caster instead of the target.

[imphe2]

<DIV>All debuffs fade early.  Only one ultra grey mobs (lvl 30 defiler vs lvl 10 mob) do debuffs last the entire 1 minute and 10 seconds.  The amount of reduction does NOT scale as gradually as melee DPS as the mob level increases compared to the player level.  Having to recast a debuff 15 seconds after I cast it against an Orange ^^ mob just plain sucks...especially when there isn't a single melee special attack the MISSES.  /flip</DIV>

[Di0Xi]

Well I believe thats down to a "resist" roll that happens every now and then throughout a duration, I think its designed to keep you on your toes but I can see why you are complaining. Still I'd consider that more of a "balance" issue than a "broken" issue.

[11B3VB4]

<DIV>I'll throw it up there as it applies to many of our spells, ya never know we might learn something out of this whole process.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the info...</DIV>

[Scai]

<DIV>For Loathsome Seal, the only difference in description between app4 and adept 1 is the adept 1 version takes 1 more power to cast.  Also spell doesn't state it debuffs stamina in bottom decription, although it claims to in top text description.  The stamina debuffing seems to be a problem with all our skills that claim to debuff it tho.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Purulence doesn't always summon pets after it breaks.  I haven't noticed exactly why yet.  Before if it broke to a dot the pets would not get summoned, but sometimes even when it expires to melee damage the pets are not summoned.  If it runs out to timer pets won't get summoned, which seems fair enough to me.  I suspect being a group ward it's still suffering the same problems as our normal group line.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tendrils line still only lasts for 3 minutes, seems this should be on the 10-15 timer too.  A note to the slows, why do defilers need to stack 3 spells to achieve the same as one mystic?  And one of those spells is a 5% proc chance dependent on group members being hit when our healing ability is supposed to be all about stopping hits before they happen.... makes little sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems there was a few more things, little to early for me to remember tho.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Scain</DIV>

[Arathy]

The lvl 20 Training DoT.. I'm sorry I can't remember the name, states that it reduces INT and Stamina as an added bonus yet in spell info doesn't reduce stamina.

[Fredric]

<DIV>Do we know what health loss does yet? Has there been an actual "press release" as to what health loss does to a mob?  I know we have several spells that deal damage and remove health.  My theory is its a permanent form of damage (aka stamina debuff but gimped), and when I say permanent I only mean until the spell wears off.  Of course I have no proof of this and it could mean absolutely nothing.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anyone knows please let me know....</DIV>

[haas]

"They already know Wards are not nearly as efficient as other Heals!"This is sommething I wonder about, I've been looking all over these boards but I can't find a single DEV reply indicating this is a known issue or sommething they are aware of that needs fixing. The only reply I could find was about wards breaking in one hit and the so called fix for that.<p>Message Edited by haasch on <span class=date_text>02-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:19 AM</span>

[Lani]

<DIV>when i was very low in the first few days a stamina debuff would lower overall HP.  thats why it looked like mobs healed themselves when a stamina buff wore off i think.  they have disabeled stamina debuffs or nerfed the hell out of them.  </DIV>

[Buggi]

Standing ovation!! Very admirable work here. I look forward to seeing how this list progresses.I've found that whenever I cast Summon Food & Water, I consistently get 5 units each of "sacred sustenance" (bland cheese & puddle water). This spell appears to be working.<p>Message Edited by Buggity on <span class=date_text>02-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:23 AM</span>

[Yudadie]

Great work! Hopefully we can get a dev to post with some answers/fixes in the near future.But i am sure they are looking at it already.Marco

[tobycr]

<DIV>From what I am reading most of you think Wards are fixed or didnt state that they are.  I have adept 3 spectral guard, and i might as well use app 1 it drops in seconds.  How is that even near as good as a reactive heal?  I think wards are completely useless and since this new patch i barely play my defiler because im sick of being a second class healer.  I know "you should do with what you have" but why play a class that their defining trait is useless?  I have a level 38 defiler and I love!!! this class but.... I cant take constantly out done by a cleric class.  I mean I get groups and I can do fine... but I dont want fine, I want the potential to be the best like eveveryone else.  When we fight a grouped mobs 3 or more how can we keep up with that many hits without a cleric type?  Even with 2 shaman classes you have to chain heal to keep up with reactive heals.  This is just my 2 cents and Im sure not all of you agree, I just figured since we are talking about broker things for a defiler this needed to be said.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank for you time and please let me know your experiences with ward, post patch I am far from statisfied.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Putka]

<DIV>Wanna know another silly broken thing? Listen to this..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As you know, Reanimate (level 22) is a combat ressurection.</DIV> <DIV>At lvl 50, we get 2 spells. One is Maelstorm of Dismay, the other one is Vivication.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guess what, Vivication is a combat rez that shares the timer with Reanimate. Yup.. there is absolutly no difference between them. Both cast in 1 second, have the same re-cast, and are indeed on the same timer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Anyone know what the point of this level 50 spell is?</DIV>

[EgilRon]

<DIV>Does Vivication res the target with more than a sliver of health and power?</DIV>

[Putka]

<DIV>No, they both rez with 1% bars.</DIV> <DIV>They are the same spell. It's quite unbeleivable.</DIV>

[kev]

<DIV>Tendral line is 3 min instead of 15? I guess it was, probably just missed would be nice to have it at the increased time. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also pretty intresting thread on ward revamp ideas.. </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=2345" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=2345</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another intresting thread on healing compairison special healing types up as well.  Seems the numbers are almost the exact same except ours lacks mitigation. </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=2356" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=2356</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also mobs have seemingly increased resists against our debuffs I read this somewhere else but devs already responded to looking into fix it. (Cant find link)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mizzmogs (Sp?) debuff level 30ish still hits target with stamina debuff </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spectral Guard from appIV to Adept I is only worth about 20 more points of warding this was at level 35. </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Phantam line increases agro instead of decreasing it. </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Hero OP: Eyeball thing tile whatever when in Team Ho this one about 80% of the time will not flash OR complete when I have cast the spell. /bugged & /petitioned this one. This is when I'm solo healing or in group with another healer. </SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by kevie on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:01 PM</span>

[Geohi]

Malestrom of Decay -- From what i understand (I'm only level 47) this spell is absolutly USELESS as it only does 50dmg a tick to each mob, and considering Aphotic Corruption does 95ish damage to each mob, who in their right mind would use this spell.-Geo

[Di0Xi]

The stamina debuff element fix went on test on the 26th.

[EgilRon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Putka wrote:<BR> <DIV>No, they both rez with 1% bars.</DIV> <DIV>They are the same spell. It's quite unbeleivable.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Thats unfortunate.  A Combat Res that ressed the group member back with more than slivers would be a most excellent spell (and not overpowering I wouldn't think). 

[vyperp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <UL><BR> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000>Purulence- BROKEN (Pet not being summoned upon ward break)</FONT></LI></UL><BR> <P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I belive this is incorrect, I belive the discription of the spell is broken becasue i find this spell fires off 75% of the time on average. So i am not to sure who is having bad experience with this but i would suggest the discription is broken not the spell. </P> <P>on another note this little snippet of info taken from the test update page on the forums. </P> <P>- Defiler changes:<BR>  - Degeneration, Atrophy, Contamination, Suppuration, Loathsome Seal, Tierbold's Pestilent Miasma, and Mizzmog's Sallow Degradation now correctly debuff stamina.<BR>  - Baleful Countenance's description has been changed to reflect that it has a fear proc.<BR></P> <P>least its a small start who knows they might actually be listening to us. </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <p>Message Edited by vyperpit on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:44 AM</span>

[Lani]

<DIV>Yeah, Purulance works fine for me.  Sometimes it does not work because there is a stacking issue with high level templar spells and wards but when a mob breaks that ward a bunch of little mobs pop and attack.  Its a great spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loathsome Seal is bugged.  If resisted you can insta recast, and if it lands you can recast instantly.  When it wears off is when the recast timer kicks in.  So unless you reapply it before it wears off you have that 6 or 7 sec recast timer to wait on.  I think it should work like atrophy but it does not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also I would really like a bullet point up top to see if:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Strength is really having the effect it is supposed to.  Most of our debuffs are related to lowering Str and therefor DMG output.  With the strength changes that went in on mobs and players I think we are really getting short changed in the debuff department.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stacking issues are a concern of mine also.  We have no way to test that really till some sort of arena function is added.  I really want to know if my atrophy stacks with the mystic slow in any way.  Does it take his 35% and my big STR debuff but ignore my slow or do we get to 45% slow?</DIV>

[Putka]

<DIV>Hehe using Purulence since december last year, I can guarantee that it's either not working the way it should all the time, or the description needs to have added: "has a 75% chance of summoning..".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sometimes it just plain doesn't work. You get hit, it gets broken (you hear the usual sound effect and animation with it) but no Shadow Avengers spawn. This happens while grouping with others or solo.. it doesnt matter. But something's telling me that it doesnt work if it gets broken by a magic damage attack. Kinda hard and annoying to test <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loathsome Seal isnt bugged. It's a uhh "focus debuff" or whatever you wanna call it. Every class has a spell or two that work this way.. for example "Allay" with Guardians. It's a single party member buff, and if you let it run out, the re-cast timer will kick in. But if you recast it just before it expires, you dont have to wait for the timer hehe <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> This has its advantages and disadvantages.. you pointed out one good thing about it- if it's resisted, you get to re-cast it straight away. The only bad thing is, you mustn't let it expire, or you'll wait 10 secs before recasting <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also want duels simply to test out hundreds of undocumented things <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[sostrows]

<DIV>Spirit Guide works.</DIV>

[11B3VB4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> - Defiler changes:<BR>  - Degeneration, Atrophy, Contamination, Suppuration, Loathsome Seal, Tierbold's Pestilent Miasma, and Mizzmog's Sallow Degradation now correctly debuff stamina.<BR>  - Baleful Countenance's description has been changed to reflect that it has a fear proc.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Updated 28 FEB</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a good thing, now we'll just have to see how much difference it makes....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT>

[sostrows]

<DIV>Divine Providence</DIV> <DIV>Smite</DIV> <DIV>Spectral Ward</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>all work fine and scale with spell upgrades</DIV> <DIV>spectral ward was 350 dam at App3 and 530 dam at Adept 3.</DIV><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:47 AM</span>

[vyperp]

<DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U><SPAN>Form of the </SPAN></U></STRONG><STRONG><U><SPAN>Spirit</SPAN></U></STRONG><STRONG><U><SPAN> Hawk</SPAN></U></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG></FONT></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>This seems to be working fine, just a ghost from for a hawk. </FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Dread Invective</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>This seems to be working fine, randomly proc’s during the fight.</FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U><SPAN>Crystallize Soul</SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><SPAN>Question on this, had</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=3> or appears to have a</FONT></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN> 75% chance for this to give a soul item. </SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=3>Also worth noting nothing</FONT></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN> in the description says u can only hold one of these at a time</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=3> although this is the case and so is very annoying.</FONT></SPAN></STRONG></FONT></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Eerie Avenger</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Think this is broken I have Apprentice 4 which ups its chance to proc to 40% rather then 25% at apprentice 1. I have tested this as much as I can and unless I have the worst luck in the world it has never proc for me. Also runs a 15 min timer so very very hard to test. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Turgurs Instant Relief</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Works fine if not a little disappointing, it gives the same reactive as the stomach cramp Emote. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Turgur's Spirit Sight</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Broken fun spell does nothing, no matter what graphics setting. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Senscence</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Works fine, although seems a silly spell as will not resurrect people out side a certain range. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Distill Soul</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Question on this, had or appears to have a 75% chance for this to give a soul item. Also worth noting nothing in the description says u can only hold one of these at a time although this is the case and so is very annoying.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Minor Healing</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Just to clear up the page yes this is working fine!</FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Minor Arch Healing</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Just to clear up the page yes this is working fine!</FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Juka's Smoldering Essence</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>From what I have heard from lvl 50 defilers on my server this works fine, it’s a Gas cloud!!! WOW so impressive </FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><U><SPAN></SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN></SPAN> </P></DIV><p>Message Edited by vyperpit on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:25 AM</span>

[IsmeldaLasomb]

<DIV>Would be nice if they can fix that Curse Shielding we get from Training because that was one of my favorite spells till it began to stiffle/harm me instead of the mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course i agree to the fixes needed to the rest of our spells. Notably a mitigation (based on the recipient) applied before the ward comes in effect would be nice to let the wards do a real job and not just a one hit shield not even absorbing all the damages.</DIV>

[11B3VB4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vyperpit wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><U><SPAN>Crystallize Soul</SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG><SPAN>Question on this, had</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=3> or appears to have a</FONT></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN> 75% chance for this to give a soul item. </SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=3>Also worth noting nothing</FONT></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN> in the description says u can only hold one of these at a time</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=3> although this is the case and so is very annoying.</FONT></SPAN></STRONG></FONT></P> <P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P></P> <P><STRONG><U><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Distill Soul</FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff>Question on this, had or appears to have a 75% chance for this to give a soul item. Also worth noting nothing in the description says u can only hold one of these at a time although this is the case and so is very annoying.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P> <P> <P><STRONG><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></FONT></SPAN></STRONG></P><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><U><SPAN></SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV> <P>Message Edited by vyperpit on <SPAN class=date_text>03-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:25 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I hand these out to group members, when times get tough and the fight gets close they allow them to heal me... I don't know if this was the intended use but seems a different approach. Haven't tested their healing power in quite a few levels, I know they were slow casting though.<BR>

[vyperp]

<DIV>I normally hand them out as well, i use the Crystallized soul. for me they heal for 300-370 damage but we can only hold one at a time. I belive although i can't say for sure that a few of the other classes can hold multiple sommoned items. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shadow night tainted essesnces i know for sure they can have stacks of 20's.  I belive make shift weapons the the scout classes summon they can hold multiple of them at one time. I seems that a few classes can hold lots and others can't but every class has a summoned item they have. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For me this would be a great spell if we could have stacks of 20 items. they have like a 3-5 sec cast time healing 300 health but that may over power us as we could heal even once our power is gone.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for me its just i feel the discription needs updating and the fact that 25% of the time u will not recive soul item even when the mob drops seems strange when nothing is said in the discription. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by vyperpit on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 AM</span>

[IsmeldaLasomb]

<DIV>Makeshift Weapon is lore so one fo them only at time. They are not temporary though and stay between session.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(Only trouble with this Makeshift Weapon is that from apprentice I to Adept I it is the same weapon, 100 damage whatever your skill is... pitiful at lvl 30).</DIV>

[DCpunk]

<DIV>Good, solid list.  Thanks for taking the time to do this.</DIV>

[sostrows]

<DIV>You might want to reclassify your list to:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Broken (work does not work as described)</DIV> <DIV>Flawed (cosmetic or weird stacking issue but works as advertised - e.g. baleful contenance)</DIV> <DIV>Working</DIV> <DIV>Unknown</DIV> <DIV>Unused</DIV> <DIV>Question</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If devs use this great post of yours, I want them to focus on broken spells first (COS etc).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>======</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spells that are working.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>auspice</DIV> <DIV>cure noxious</DIV> <DIV>(cure noxious training version) ( ...something.....salve - group detox!  awesome spell)</DIV> <DIV>breath of spirits (have master 1 version - heals about 530 for each grp member)</DIV> <DIV>healing ritual (love the fast cast on it)</DIV> <DIV>*expunge elements (dont know about mitigation for 6 sec but would like to see a grp upgrade on this one)</DIV> <DIV>*abominus (i can breathe underwater! proc does go off,  its just so weak/random im not sure why they added it to this spell)</DIV> <DIV>*baleful contenance ( i would not consider it "broken" since it does work as described - we have a problem with the cosmetic part of spell)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>flawed</DIV> <DIV><STRIKE>profance accretion (weaker and slower than lower level heal - secondary heal spell behind the healing ritual) * </STRIKE>GRP HEAL</DIV><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:11 AM</span>

[Geohi]

• Baleful Efflux -- Working • Sacrificial Alleviation -- Working • Apothic Corruption -- Working, yet completley underpowered. Although a poor comparison, Warlocks get a group DoT that does 600 damage a tick to each mob and this does 80dmg a tick to each mob. I'll try and find a better coomparison later.• Ghastly Shroud -- Working• Harbinger -- Working• Devitalizing Chant -- Broken; Increases Hate • Mail of Souls -- Broken; Increases Hate in the long run as well (supposed to decrease)• Watery Horror -- Unused ; Do we really need this many enduring breath spells.More later-Geo<p>Message Edited by Geohin1 on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:52 AM</span>

[Putka]

<DIV>Sostrows, Profane Accreation is a group heal.</DIV>

[sostrows]

<DIV>My bad on Profane Accretion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm still used to the less than desired quality spell description SOE put up.</DIV>

[DCpunk]

<DIV>I've not seen Profane Accretion heal a whole group yet.  It heals a single target.  However, the WARD from it is a group ward.</DIV>

[Putka]

<DIV>Ouch.. better reroll then, it seems you're bugged <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Tim]

<DIV>Definetely wouldn't hold my breath on the hope that this is noted by a dev.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2cp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timme</DIV>

[11B3VB4]

<DIV><STRONG><EM>Did some of my own testing in EL today.. 90 minutes to kill a green lvl 35 should provide some numbers I can put up top. I'll get to it while I'm at work and see if I can put the numbers up in a way to do close to what bandit did, if nothing else it gives us another baseline to work with.</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>Tested-</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ffff00>w/ MOB Power</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Unwarded-Dmg and specials</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Warded-Dmg and specials</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ffff00>w/o MOB Power</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Unwarded-Dmg</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Warded-DMG</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>w/o MOB Power</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Tendrils- and dmg</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Abominus- and dmg ( Sad )</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Haze line- and dmg</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Wiz/Int/Str- and dmg</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>Haze w/ Wis/Int/Str- and dmg</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM>I hope I can get the numbers together at work tongiht... it's a rather large log file.</EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:05 PM</span>

[Blackguard]

Thanks for taking the time to put this together!

[11B3VB4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blackguard wrote:<BR>Thanks for taking the time to put this together!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Thank you for taking the time to read it...:smileyvery-happy:

[11B3VB4]

<BLOCKQUOTE>oops....</BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <span class=date_text>03-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:26 AM</span>

[Omnikain]

<DIV>Thank you for acknowledging this list sir.</DIV>

[Jasara]

<DIV>My friend and I both quit playing EQ2 because the spells are so difficult to obtain at the current level of the character. The crafting system is BORING, tedious and time consuming so we gave up trying to make them. Pretty much, this game stinks and mostly because of spells. Running around with spells far lower than what you need so you can not fight the appropriate level mob is NO fun. So I am back to playing EQ.</DIV>

[Terq]

<DIV>I play a mystic, so I hope that I am not hijacking this thread, but over on the Mystic boards, the concensus is that wards are the #1 problem facing every Shaman out there.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wards black unmitigated damage.  So while a druid's hots or a Cleric's reactives only have to heal damage that is unmitigated by armor, a shaman's ward blocks before mitigation.  With most plate tanks mitigating in the 60-70% range, you can see that the shaman has to work much harder, and expend much more power, to effectively heal a tank.  With the new changes to agro, I shudder when thinking of the beatdown that we will recieve, since we will have to cast 3 - 4 wards for every 1 hot or reactive to achieve the same amount of raw "healing."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, sorry if this is percieved as hijacking, but I think that the ward mechanics are generally universal to all shaman/mystics/defilers.  Good luck to everyone in getting this changed.  </DIV>

[DCpunk]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Blackguard wrote:<BR>Thanks for taking the time to put this together!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I think the people in hell are no longer thirsty.  Oh and look!  A flying pig!<p>Message Edited by DCpunk on <span class=date_text>03-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:22 AM</span>

[Fredric]

<DIV>Wait, does doing less then base damage with melee weapons count as a broken spell? Had 200 strength last night and still doing less then base damage. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Fredricks on <span class=date_text>03-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:42 AM</span>

[Dannan]

<DIV>Profane Accretion has the wrong spell effect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I assume from the description from the spell lists at Eq2players that that this is suppose to be our upgrade to totemic heal, but instead of being a single target heal (like its description says) it's effect is that of a group heal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Putka]

<DIV>Hehe the effect is the right one, it's the description that needs fixing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Tim]

<DIV>I stand corrected.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2cp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Timme</DIV>

[sostrows]

<DIV>Thanks for input from Mystics (grits teeth lol).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Start a Mystics board post with same topic - this will give more emphasis to fixing spells that are broke for both of us!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and if u dont......((casts distill soul))....you'll regret it.</DIV>

[Lani]

<DIV>Bugs:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>loathsome seal - recast timer starts AFTER spell wears off.  You can spam this till it lands.  (some folks may like it this way but its a bug)</DIV> <DIV>Atrophy - covered above but reduction in STR in no way makes up for the 25% difference in slows between us and mystic</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wailing haze and contaigon work fine</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Contamination is a pretty weak DOT only spell and does not scale well since its our last one of that type (2 basic dots being the spehere lines and contamination line)</DIV>

[SisBoomB]

It's fantastic that an official has given us a response. Perhaps they suspect Defilers do not work as intended...When I log onto these forums, this is the section I visit the most (surprise, I play a Defiler!). However, there are two great posts under the "Spells, Abilities, and Combat Arts" section that are getting buried by other posts. They are:"Defiler compiles issues..." a repeat of this very thread, and"Defiler issues MUST be addressed post-patch!" a long thread that already has seen a lot of attentionI have 5-starred both of these threads and try to keep each one near the top by posting every now and then. I hope other Defilers are doing this as well otherwise our issues become relegated to the 2nd or, even worse, the 3rd page in very little time. If our issues are not seen by a more general audience, they tend to forget about us, which is a bad thing. Remember, "Out of sight, out of mind"

[Lani]

<DIV>Purulance..... you cant cast this on a tank in the raid.  its group only, this should be a spell you can cast in a raid.  that may why folks say it does not work</DIV>

[vyperp]

<DIV>@<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=1566" target=_blank><SPAN>Lanier</SPAN></A><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i think that would really over power that spell if it was a directioncal cast spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its like carrion shield and other it casts a group ward, if u wish it to fire off in a raid u should be in the group with the main tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have never had a problem of it firing off in a raid wether i am in the main group or one of the supporting ones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by vyperpit on <SPAN class=date_text>03-03-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>12:53 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by vyperpit on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:53 AM</span>

[Narak]

<DIV>Upgraded <STRONG>Vehemence</STRONG> from App4 to Adept 1 yesterday.  Only difference was 1 extra stamina point, no change in the strength buff at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this working as intended?  I hope not.</DIV>

[SisBoomB]

I had the same problem with Vehemence...I upgraded from AppII to AdeptI and the stamina and strength each went up 2 or 3 pts apiece. I do not tradeskill and have a little in the way of money so it ended up a waste of 5 gp. Unfortunately, it seems that upgrading many of our spells leaves us with underwhelming results, even when it happens to be to Mastery level.

[kev]

<DIV>Spectral Guard every time a cast DOT ticks you get the ward fall animation and sound, plus a mini heal.  Heck of a lag fest /bugged it today. This was on the Dryads in the north part of EL. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Same Issue with upgrade to Vehemence <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eidolic Ward seems to be ok all be it weak but hey at level 36 what else do ya get for 0 power <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by kevie on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:20 PM</span>

[DCpunk]

While fighting some Elder Mist Grinnins in Nek today, I realized that the MOB version of Grey Wind DOES slow its target. I had the effect "grey winds" on me after the mob went through the Grey Wind animation and I was nailed by the nuke. It stayed on me for the duration of the fight. Hhowever, when I examine MY version of Grey Wind now, intead of mentioning the debuff, it says "### Error: Possible spell recursion ###". What's up with that?

[sostrows]

<DIV>Found this post on the Spell board.  Sounds like ward are a high priority topic.  Every class had a "my spells are broken..." thread on the Spells, Abilities and Combat Arts board.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>==============</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>We neither seek to keep players in the dark nor to protect information on what will or won't be fixed. While I can understand that not seeing something fixed that you consider important is upsetting, please don't be so quick to assume we have some sort of illicit motive or evil agenda. Our team takes communication seriously, and we are going to work harder at making it more consistent.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We'd love for everything in the game to work perfectly, and more than that, for every feature to be met with approval by all our subscribers. Of course, the latter in particular is an unrealistic desire. Even if there wasn't a single bug in this game, players would still disagree about whether aspects of the game were "right" or not based on their personal beliefs and desires.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are often posts about how frustrating it is that bugs end up in the game, even after our QA department and external testers go through the features or content. We do work very hard to test new things added to the game, yet we can't test every possible case or circumstance that hundreds of thousands of players might uncover. That said, when bugs happen it is our responsibility, and we strive to fix them as soon as possible. Look through every one of the notes from our Live Updates (and most of the smaller hotfix updates as well) and you'll see that we address numerous issues on a regular basis.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We realize that some classes are upset about balance issues that haven't been addressed since launch. There are legitimate concerns, and while we have made progress in this area, many elements still need to be looked at. The community team gathers your class issues and feedback on a daily basis as part of our reports to the team, and I (along with Blackguard and Faarwolf) spend a lot of time with members of other departments discussing bugs, opinions, and ideas expressed on these boards and other community sites.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One of the things we've realized is that it's nearly an impossible task for a handful of people (i.e. the community team) to respond to every bug or issue that gets posted. That's why you're going to see more members of the EQ2 team (specifically, the ones who fix a bug or address balance issues) posting about what they're doing. We really do want to improve the way communication flows from the team to the players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A big topic that will never go away (just see any EQ board for proof of that) is class balance. This is true not only because the game evolves, but because players develop an emotional investment in their characters. That attachment can make it hard for some players to objectively separate real issues from gut reaction.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our initial approach with class balance has been to first look at issues on the archetype level. Changes to agility and strength, for instance, were necessary to bring scouts and fighters more in line with where we want them to be. Secondly, we've been fixing bugs with spells and combat arts, because you can't judge the full potential of a given profession if their abilities are not functioning correctly. At the same time, we've addressed some clearly broken aspects of particular classes that simply couldn't be ignored. In the case of berserkers, this meant a reduction in potency; in the case of wizards and warlocks, this meant a considerable increase.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Among the balance issues we'll be looking into now and in the near future:</DIV> <UL> <LI>Summoner pets, including the usefulness of various types of pets and the overall DPS and utility of mages. <LI><STRONG><U><EM><FONT color=#66ff00 size=6>Priest balancing, including: wards vs. reactives vs. regens, both for effectiveness and aggro generation; warden vs. fury balance, etc. </FONT></EM></U></STRONG> <LI>Evaluating melee damage to ensure that scouts outdamage fighters. <LI>Giving every artisan profession new and useful things to make, as well as ways to make their existing goods more desirable.</LI></UL> <P>(If I didn't list your class or issue above, please don't assume we are ignoring you. Those are just a few of the big-picture balance issues we're looking at, not a comprehensive list.)</P> <P>And yes, we will continue to fix bugged spells and arts. But keep in mind that even when we get to the point where nearly every ability functions correctly, there will still be people on the boards who feel that particular aspects of their class are broken or imbalanced. That's simply a fact of MMO life: there will never, ever be a massively multiplayer game of this complexity in which every subscriber feels all aspects are balanced. Because, at the end of the day, balance is not a matter of numbers, but one of perception. These games are not math equations, no matter how many calculations lurk below the surface. They're living, breathing microcosms into which thousands and thousands of players make varying degrees of emotional investment.</P> <P>Our job, then, is not just "find bug A, fix bug A, report bug A is fixed," but rather to respond to you on a personal, direct level. It's something we continually strive to do better, both on the community team and as a company. At the same time, we know that ultimately the proof comes not in our words, but in our actions. That's why we will keep on doing what we're doing: adding new stuff, making fixes, expanding the game world. We'll make mistakes, but we'll work hard to fix them. Hopefully if we keep on doing that, more and more of you will see that we're serious about making EverQuest II the best game we possibly can. Your feedback is a crucial part of that process, and it makes a difference in the development of this game every single day.</P> <P>===========================<BR>Moorgard<BR>EverQuest II Community Guy</P> <P> </P> <P>EDIT: I really fail to see how this posts deserves the 1-star bandit??</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by sostrows on <span class=date_text>03-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:27 AM</span>

[kev]

<DIV><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#66ff00 size=6>Priest balancing, including: wards vs. reactives vs. regens, both for effectiveness and aggro generation; warden vs. fury balance, etc.</FONT></U></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#66ff00 size=6></FONT></U></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ffffff size=2>Just one fear from the past though with this, Will they nerf the other healers down to us or bring us up to the other healers?!?!?!?!?! Or nerf the clerics & wardens, then just take away our wards to be replaced with another rat spell..... </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>J/K!!! Good news I hope <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>

[11B3VB4]

Well it's good news that they realize the problem.. I'll be interested to see "Their" fix.

[Legat]

<DIV>From a lvl 43's viewpoint.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eerie Avenger - Adept 1 50% chance, seen it work multiple time, tested it with my hydra, only took a coule deaths, think it is working as intended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dire Effulence - question: I have seen the ward absorb damage but after the ward dissapates due to damage, so does the buff? I have lost this buff multiple times mid fight was curious if any others have as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loathing - seems a bit underpowered to me, as compared to mystics, somewhat useful though</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Healing Ritual training Oakfallows - working, working great I might add.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Foreboding Training - nice buff, 2 concentration buff but with added agi and wis, nice for soloing and nice to put on the tank for the + agi, + def, I am digging this spell</DIV>

[Argyuile]

I have also lost Dire Efflunce multiple times durring a fight. I thought it was getting dispelled Ill have to look a bit deeper.

[ghilou]

I have seen the log "regenerating XX point of ward absorbtion" several time now since i have dire efluence. My guess is that it ward for a few hp, and when that ward fade it regens some time later. Havnt tested it deeper yet though.

[11B3VB4]

<DIV>Will update soon... have been on vacation.. mostly.</DIV>

[Kobal2]

<P><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Devigorating Chant</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Increases Hate, rather than reducing it. At least in the description. Drains 34 power?)</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <P>Regarding this I was quite puzzled as well, until a Def friend of mine pointed out that it was, in fact, a *targetted* spell. This spell is a taunt-by-proxy, you're supposed to cast it on the member of the party you want to have the attention of the mobs (ie the tank, or that obnoxious Qeynosian druid who makes you look bad <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ). I tested it a bit in trio (one Inqui, one necro and me) when I outdamaged the Inqui and got aggroed, and it does have an effect that way - although I don't know exactly how the generated hate compares to a normal tank taunt/shout etc...</P> <P>Not exactly a get out of jam free card, but still much more usable than aggro_everything_around_Phantasm</P> <P> </P>

[sostrows]

<DIV> <DIV>Lanier wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>=====</DIV> <DIV>Bugs:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>loathsome seal - recast timer starts AFTER spell wears off.  You can spam this till it lands.  (some folks may like it this way but its a bug)</DIV> <DIV>Atrophy - covered above but reduction in STR in no way makes up for the 25% difference in slows between us and mystic</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wailing haze and contaigon work fine</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Contamination is a pretty weak DOT only spell and does not scale well since its our last one of that type (2 basic dots being the spehere lines and contamination line)</DIV> <DIV>====</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Contamination has a -STA debuff component.  I have it at Adept3 and it normally attacks for 57 and ticks for 47ish.  I don't know if that is weak compared to other classes but I use it right after Degeneration for stack the STA debuffs.  The really nice thing about Contamination is that its 1sec cast and is a HAMMER for HOs.  It's great for getting mobs back to you who have "feared" off the wraith form.</DIV></DIV>

[haas]

Read the new test server update notes, nothing about ballancing wards, only thing for defilers was already known:Defiler changes:- Baleful Countenance will now display a chat message when the fear proc goes off.Also wonder why this one was removed:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=35634#M35634Bit depressed, throw us a bone <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lani]

<DIV>In the general concerns category I would add:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Check our buffs and how they stack with templar HP and AC buffs.  They dont seem to stack</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since we dont get any resist buffs should our HP and AC buffs be significantly better than mystics or some other class?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we have weak buffs one would expect that we would have better debuffs, this is not the case.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think malefic contenance is a pretty good spell.  It could use some tweaking but it is our best power drain spell even though it silences you.  app1 it drains 12 power per tick for 8 ticks or so.  I may make this adept 3 and see what happens.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[11B3VB4]

<P>While I agree with most of your post, I'd hate to see their attention distracted from what we need. <FONT color=#ff0000>Priest Ballance....</FONT></P> <P>I guess after we see what they do with that thought line, we can start to harp about all of the other broken spells and effects that this class and others seem to be burdened with...</P>

[Fredric]

<DIV>Wards now taking damage from dots is a large improvement and shows that we are being listened to somewhat. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maelstrom of Dismay  had damage/power drain increased and you can now move and cast while its active.  This makes it actually useful which is why I guess they increased its recast from 30 seconds to 15 minutes.  Not bad, I can live with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It looks like things are starting to look up in my opinion.  A few more tweaks and some bug fixes and we'll be right where <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><EM>I </EM></STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>want to be.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Next on the list is our AC buff.  This I think is our next big change and is a must if we're to stay in the healing game.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>

[almightyrec]

<P>I played with this quite a bit this weekend and still saw all of my wards drop in CT as soon as a dot hit.  Single target ward, Malefic Shroud, mob cast Apothic Touch, hit me for 28 points of damage and the ward went away.  Happened every time last night.</P> <P>Can you link a thread or a patch message that shows these being fixed so I can quote it when I bug the wards tonight?</P> <P>Thanks,</P> <P>Recht</P>

[liten]

loathsome seal got buged in the latest patch if it gets resisted you cant recast it untill you relog or zone<div></div>

[Fredric]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> almightyrecht wrote:<BR> <P>I played with this quite a bit this weekend and still saw all of my wards drop in CT as soon as a dot hit.  Single target ward, Malefic Shroud, mob cast Apothic Touch, hit me for 28 points of damage and the ward went away.  Happened every time last night.</P> <P>Can you link a thread or a patch message that shows these being fixed so I can quote it when I bug the wards tonight?</P> <P>Thanks,</P> <P>Recht</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> <P><SPAN><BR></SPAN></P><IMG height=1 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1 border=0><BR> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Spells and Combat Arts ***</FONT></STRONG></P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>- Ward spells will now work properly against the damage of DoT effects.</FONT></STRONG><BR>- You can now recast/refresh a spell that uses concentration without needing to cancel it first. Bards are so happy, they just might write a song about it.</P> <P>- Maintained hostile group spells (like the Coercer spell Dreadful Awe) should no longer drop from all target encounter members whenever one member of that encounter takes damage.</P> <P>- Toggleable maintained spells will now begin their reuse timer when cancelled. They should block any other spells that are upgrades/downgrades of the same line while active, and should begin the reuse timers on those upgrades/downgrades when the blocking spell is cancelled.</P> <P>- Casting single-target spells on an implied target (e.g. casting a heal on the enemy attacking you so that you get the heal) and auto-target spells (such as pet-only or caster-only) should now display where the spells are actually landing.</P> <P>- Resurrection spells can now be cast on fallen members of your raid party.</P> <P>- Hostile spells that have a chance to break (such as root) should no longer break when someone in the group casts a beneficial spell.</P> <P>- The pet window will no longer open when summoning pets that can't be controlled. Pets that do not accept commands will not verbally acknowledge them.</P> <P>- Non-maintained pets can now zone with you.</P> <P>- Stamina debuffs should now properly decrease the target's stamina.</P> <P>- Examining spells and combat arts that increase in power without an upper limit will show (Unlimited) as their mastery skill level.<BR>- The range of damage shown when examining most spells or combat arts that initiate a melee attack will no longer change based on the weapon equipped. There are are few spells/arts (such as the Berserker's Fury art) that vary based on weapon type, but the overwhelming majority of spells and arts are not affected by weapons.<BR>- Examining spell and combat art scrolls will now show the actual stats of the spell, not just the description.</P> <P>- Examining a spell or combat art will now tell you the skill name and skill level required to both cast and master the ability.</P> <P>- Examining a spell's description will now indicate if its effects are suspended during combat.</P> <P>- Crusaders should no longer get an error message when sitting after they dismount their holy or unholy steeds.</P> <P>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</P> <P> </P> <P>Mine were working fine, my carrion shield was staying up through whole fights.  I'll check it again tonight.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Yes loathesome seal is bugged.  Playing with 2 defilers last night and we both tested it a ton </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P></DIV>

[Akairs]

<font color="#cc00ff"><strong><u>Baleful Countenance</u></strong>- FLAWED ( Everyone becomes Human Male with ponytail ) Graphics <font color="#ffffff">Not a entirely true statement I become a human male with chronic male pattern baldness ( I look like meathead from all in the family)  Must wear my hood else look like I aged a few decades.</font> </font>

[Lani]

<P>i agree on loathsome seal.  its a big problem because thats a great spell</P> <P> </P> <P>Also malefic contenance is suffering from that same bug.  When resisted it cant be recast till you zone.</P>

[Moorgard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lanier wrote:<BR> <P>Also malefic contenance is suffering from that same bug.  When resisted it cant be recast till you zone.<BR> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>This problem should be fixed in tomorrow's update.</DIV>

[11B3VB4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lanier wrote:<BR> <P>Also malefic contenance is suffering from that same bug.  When resisted it cant be recast till you zone.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>This problem should be fixed in tomorrow's update.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Working late aren't we? Ahhh I know, you must be helping those trying to figure out the Priest balance issue... Well done, more power to ya.:smileytongue:</P><p>Message Edited by 11B3VB4 on <span class=date_text>03-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:47 AM</span>

[potatotr0ll]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Akairs wrote:<BR><FONT color=#cc00ff><STRONG><U>Baleful Countenance</U></STRONG>- FLAWED ( Everyone becomes Human Male with ponytail ) Graphics<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffffff>Not a entirely true statement I become a human male with chronic male pattern baldness ( I look like meathead from all in the family)  Must wear my hood else look like I aged a few decades.</FONT><BR></FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Moorgard, can this spell be fixed so that we will stay the race that we are?  If I wanted to be a human Defiler I would of made a human. I made a Defiler because every class I have created a chracter as so far has been so bugged or otherwise annoying from things such as these, now I figure out my troll is going to be a human.  This is similar to main reason I stopped playing my Illusionless.  I don';t want to be a bald human (or a human for that matter).</DIV>

[Jatr]

If anyone has taken off all their armor when in wraith form, you'll notice that its a see-through purple mist with no features. Putting the armor back on may look like generic human male armor, however human males are the most featureless models, hence why people assume their race changed.  The wraiths we currently have are not defined by anything.. race, gender, hair etc, and I see nothing wrong with that. It makes it all the more mysterious and allows for much greater rp oppertunities. I quite enjoy going from small female rat, to chilling spectre. I know Im going against most of the community here, but there are many ways to look at things, and I think some people dont try and see that. <div></div>

[Gridpoet]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jatr27 wrote:<BR>If anyone has taken off all their armor when in wraith form, you'll notice that its a see-through purple mist with no features. Putting the armor back on may look like generic human male armor, however human males are the most featureless models, hence why people assume their race changed.  The wraiths we currently have are not defined by anything.. race, gender, hair etc, and I see nothing wrong with that. It makes it all the more mysterious and allows for much greater rp oppertunities. I quite enjoy going from small female rat, to chilling spectre. I know Im going against most of the community here, but there are many ways to look at things, and I think some people dont try and see that.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>?</P> <P>the level 20 mist Baleful countanance does indeed show some hair on my screen, is see the balding male hairstyle and a beard...no face just hair...if they would do away with the floating hair i would be happy...although i agree, i would like to see my barbarian turn to mist...</P> <P>at this point, only a cosmetic issue, i would rather see more pressing issues resolved first though.</P>

[Khira]

<DIV>If you happen to be a human female, wraith form makes you a headless human male.  Not much RP value in that.</DIV>

[Fredric]

<DIV>I barely ever use the wraith form, but when I do I think it looks really good with mah purple robe!  I guess biggest problem is the gendor.  The rest of it I don't mind.  I don't think they will ever change the overall graphics because it really comes down to opinion.</DIV>

[Eileithia]

<P>I use the wraith form all the time for the stat increase! What I do though is cast Guise of Deceiver before I cast the wraith form to mask the ugly Human Male form and keep my sleek hottie DE Female form. I also find that the wraith form makes me lag like crazy so using guise helps get rid of those effects</P>

[Jatr]

I dont see any hair on my char in wraith form, but its possible they dont all use the same model. But as I said.. its not a human male.. its a non-featured mist-like humanoid form with no gender. You simply assume its male due to the lack of breasts. Thats the part you can RP around. Its genderless in appearance according to me. <div></div>

[sostrows]

<P>Loathing works.</P> <P>appr1 is debuff of 23 to three stats (believe INT, STR, AGI)</P> <P>Adept1 is debuff of 25 to three stats.  Hmmm, not much room for upgrades to Appr2,3,4.</P> <P>oh and Revulsion adept1 is debuff of 23 (replaced by Loathing).  not really a big improvement.</P> <P>*Loathing adept 1 should be like -27 to allow Appr2-4 an increase.</P>

[sostrows]

Revulsion works.  -23 to three stats at Adept1 but only works on mobs lvl 35 or below.

[sostrows]

<P>BROKEN:</P> <P>Training Curse of Shielding upgrade "Nskret Cursed Affliction"</P> <P>Same bug as Curse of Shielding.  Defiler gets stifled and DOT'd and mob gets healed.  Very ugly bug.</P>

[11B3VB4]

<P>I love how they added lvl restrictions to some of our training spells... WHY THE **** would I choose a spell I can't keep using? [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] SOE more stealth patch info...</P> <P>:smileymad: It's silly, you research and decide what would best fit your playstyle and weeks and moths later they change what a spell can do. So I now have 2 Training spells that can still be used at my lvl... Go Training...</P>

[sostrows]

<DIV>My training spell debuff - Drandamir's Draining Fog (which has been a great choice), I think was always limited by lvl of the mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think with the more descriptive descriptions now on spells, its now actually in writing it wont work on a mob over a certain lvl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the spell limits were always there, we just actually see it written now.</DIV>

[11B3VB4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sostrows wrote:<BR> <DIV>My training spell debuff - Drandamir's Draining Fog (which has been a great choice), I think was always limited by lvl of the mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think with the more descriptive descriptions now on spells, its now actually in writing it wont work on a mob over a certain lvl.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the spell limits were always there, we just actually see it written now.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ok... So now that they have decided to reveal this information... decisions of those that follow can be more aptly based on end game decisions. That still leaves those that led the way dealing with spells that end up being bad choices due to unknown information at the time that is now available.</P> <P>Maybe it won't matter, maybe it will.. It just sits wrong with me I guess.</P>

[sostrows]

<P>I'm with you on this 11B3VB4.  I would rather have lots of info on game mechanics, specifics.  I'm just pointing out that I think the lvl limit on spells was always there from the start, it just wasnt explained to us (like about 3000 other things) from day 1.</P> <P>BTW, you still have your /respec in the bank? or was there a time limit on using that?</P>

[Lani]

<P>Malestom of Dismay</P> <P> </P> <P>After 3/24 patch it hits interrupted when immediatly cast and does not show up on maintained spells window..  Its very brken</P>

[11B3VB4]

<P>Naa used that /respec in the 20's or something.. wasn't very active didn't know as much as I should have. I don't realy mind the choices I've made and in the long run I doubt those choices will haunt me... I'm just praying they get things figured out before too long.</P> <P>*** Sorry for the rant in an otherwise constructive thread ***</P>

[Fredric]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lanier wrote:<BR> <P>Malestom of Dismay</P> <P> </P> <P>After 3/24 patch it hits interrupted when immediatly cast and does not show up on maintained spells window..  Its very brken</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Mine says interrupted also but I do have it shown in the maintained window.  I think this seems to be working, but I'll double check.  I think the ineterrupt is probably just bugged from the way the spell works now.  I still get the spell effects also.

[Lani]

yeah, its fixed.  it is a maintained buff like loathsome seal.  they fixed em both.

[Anakre]

I really think our "of shielding" lines should be Unused until something is taken in to balance wards... Otherwise (like I commented in my other post, it's likely to be more harmful than helpful)

[11B3VB4]

Maybe they will address it in LU #7 with the other changes... if not I agree.. it's not worth the mana nor the risk...

[ajadams]

<DIV>..</DIV><p>Message Edited by ajadams on <span class=date_text>04-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:24 PM</span>

[kev]

<DIV>Grey Wind: Slows target now. </DIV> <DIV>Eidolic Ward: Working </DIV> <DIV>Devigorating Chant: Appears to be working </DIV> <DIV>Seeping Eschar: Working</DIV> <DIV>Suppuration: Working</DIV> <DIV>Atrophy: Working</DIV> <DIV>Devitalizing Chant: Appears to be working</DIV> <DIV>Carrion Shield: Working vs dots. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[kkagan]

<DIV> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Suppuration</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Stam debuff not working )</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><U>Atrophy</U></STRONG>- BROKEN ( Stam debuff not working )</FONT></LI> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>I knew a problem existed with these so I started casting them constantly, and it seems these 2 spells will heal the mob. Don't believe me, go try, I know its true cause I watch it happen, sometimes takes the mobs health bar from yellow to green, or red to yellow! Sometimes I feel as though the defiler might have been the wrong class to choose. We have so much potental, please fix us!!!!!! Not fun playing a broken class, I get by, but with out my buffs most of the time, cuz they BROKEN! </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>         FOR THE LOVE OF NORRATH FIX OUR PROC! </FONT></P> <P>In this game every point of dmg counts, so as I heal(for very little), debuff(When I can), ward(When it dont fall directly after cast), Im swinging away at the mob! But most groups now tell me dont hit the mob or please take down your wraith form so you dont fear him, and i cant blame them. The reason why is because I cant tell you how many times I hit the mob, he goes running for 20 seconds, wanders into a new group of mobs and when the fear fades, it pisses off everyone around him! Dosen't happen every single time but very often! Then bam, 1 mob turns into 5! Just please give us the poison proc that was listed in the spell descriptions at launch. It would do us so much better!</P> <P>TheRez Theheal  40</P> <P>Blackburrow</P></DIV>

[Goon]

<DIV>As a member of a guild that has killed every raid mob cept Naggy and that buggy Nekt' Vampire Instance, I can say defilers for the most part are just fine. We might need a tweak here and there to fix some things that dont work as much as they should. However in comparing us to our counterparts Mystics who tend to buff, heal, and debuff a little to a lot better then us I would like to see some changes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just tossing out the ideas:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Since we are supposed to be the evil version of mystics and more damage dealing centered I would like to see this part improved on. First up our damage on our DD and DOT lines by around 15-25% range. This would mean my adept 1 Fulgns Coil for example would tick pre-increase:  92 97 89 98 88 96 98 for a total of 658, with a 15% increase the total would be 756 or a 25% would be 822. I tested this on a grey con double up Nightblood in EL for my numbers. Our DD adept1 averages around 150-200pts of dmg once again a 25% increase would mean 187-250.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) I like this idea a little bit more and would incorporate idea number 1. Give defilers a Malisement debuff spell line. The ability to debuff several magic damage types across the board would give us a nice boost. Couple ways you can give it to us, either throughout our career building up in power over the levels or as a level 50 spell. I would imagine it would require some balancing to find a decent level of just how much it debuffs magical mitigation but can be done. Also I would think the timer on it would fall under normal debuffs of errr umm dang it forgot I think our debuffs last under 3mins ( its like 7 am in the morning, bed head). The only issue with giving us this is mystics would grab the torches and pitchforks and go after SOE i think, so might have to balance and give them something as well, or just drop the 10% slow part off our "slow debuff". Or you could give mystics a version of Maliement but does 50% less similiar to our compared slows.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Group cures!!!!! Maybe this is part of the balancing SOE wants but we have like one group cure if we choose it as a trait spell. I can not express enough on just how important group cures are on the raids where mobs AOE a DOT spell and it needs to be cured before the 2nd tick. Would be nice to see us get another group cure or two.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I figure the argument would come up that we would be able to solo Vox or some un thought out giberish if they boosted our damage output. I currently have +68 points of in combat power regen gear, this requires me to wear robe of the invoker and golden efreeti boots and a ring I have reducing my over all mitigation. I have tried to solo the blue con Terror Lord in feerot. Using both my 900 second recast special wards I was able to get him down to about 50%, and that was using every single stinking buff on myself or debuff on the mob. Also note this is one the few if not only named mob I can think of the comes alone with no friends. Also tried a named green double mob with friends, think i knocked 10-20% off its life that I noticed as I was running fast i could away from because the fight was going way bad way to fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Goonar Gutrotmojo of the Shard</DIV> <DIV>Elysium member on Crushbone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps- apologize for any bad spelling or verbage, never was that great of a speller, im a bean counter for RL.</DIV>

[Goon]

<DIV>As a member of a guild that has killed every raid mob cept Naggy and that buggy Nekt' Vampire Instance, I can say defilers for the most part are just fine. We might need a tweak here and there to fix some things that dont work as much as they should. However in comparing us to our counterparts Mystics who tend to buff, heal, and debuff a little to a lot better then us I would like to see some changes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just tossing out the ideas:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Since we are supposed to be the evil version of mystics and more damage dealing centered I would like to see this part improved on. First up our damage on our DD and DOT lines by around 15-25% range. This would mean my adept 1 Fulgns Coil for example would tick pre-increase:  92 97 89 98 88 96 98 for a total of 658, with a 15% increase the total would be 756 or a 25% would be 822. I tested this on a grey con double up Nightblood in EL for my numbers. Our DD adept1 averages around 150-200pts of dmg once again a 25% increase would mean 187-250.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) I like this idea a little bit more and would incorporate idea number 1. Give defilers a Malisement debuff spell line. The ability to debuff several magic damage types across the board would give us a nice boost. Couple ways you can give it to us, either throughout our career building up in power over the levels or as a level 50 spell. I would imagine it would require some balancing to find a decent level of just how much it debuffs magical mitigation but can be done. Also I would think the timer on it would fall under normal debuffs of errr umm dang it forgot I think our debuffs last under 3mins ( its like 7 am in the morning, bed head). The only issue with giving us this is mystics would grab the torches and pitchforks and go after SOE i think, so might have to balance and give them something as well, or just drop the 10% slow part off our "slow debuff". Or you could give mystics a version of Maliement but does 50% less similiar to our compared slows.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Group cures!!!!! Maybe this is part of the balancing SOE wants but we have like one group cure if we choose it as a trait spell. I can not express enough on just how important group cures are on the raids where mobs AOE a DOT spell and it needs to be cured before the 2nd tick. Would be nice to see us get another group cure or two.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I figure the argument would come up that we would be able to solo Vox or some un thought out giberish if they boosted our damage output. I currently have +68 points of in combat power regen gear, this requires me to wear robe of the invoker and golden efreeti boots and a ring I have reducing my over all mitigation. I have tried to solo the blue con Terror Lord in feerot. Using both my 900 second recast special wards I was able to get him down to about 50%, and that was using every single stinking buff on myself or debuff on the mob. Also note this is one the few if not only named mob I can think of the comes alone with no friends. Also tried a named green double mob with friends, think i knocked 10-20% off its life that I noticed as I was running fast i could away from because the fight was going way bad way to fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Goonar Gutrotmojo of the Shard</DIV> <DIV>Elysium member on Crushbone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps- apologize for any bad spelling or verbage, never was that great of a speller, im a bean counter for RL.</DIV>