Minor rant on our cruddy dps

[ecoskii]

<DIV>My main is a raid MT specced Mystic (str/int) fully fabled/doomseer etc with a variety of fabled weapons and fully mastered except 2.  Got 94 aa atm in the buff lines + i took the combat aas as i think the cures and rezzes suck.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It used to be i could attempt to console my MT templar for his laughably low dps but over the last month temps have moved up to easily DOUBLE my zonewide raid dps (both in MT grp, no single target dps buffs on us etc).  Our positions at the top of the heal parses are unchanged.  On some mobs the temp is managing to put out over 1k dps and appear in the top-12 parse - as a raid we do 20-24k all the way through LoA with 8 heals (yea yea... way too many... but that was what was logged at raid start).  I know we can take some aa lines to improve our dps towards these numbers but that is not the point.  How come a plate healer with the same MT healing objectives and gear can produce double our dps?  I tried duoing with the temp as well - he always pulls aggro off me over an encounter so again is outdpsing me.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Temp now laughs at me and says he will get another significant dps boost with his next aa point <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone else seen this recently?</DIV><p>Message Edited by cloudyspam on <span class=date_text>01-25-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:08 PM</span>

[Banditman]

Are you wearing "DPS" gear?Even in the STR+ spec for KoS AA's, you can still pump out some DPS.Since you have the CA replacements, Blackscale Maul isn't quite as crucial for you.  You might even consider getting something like Serpentine Skewer (an item with an inate proc) and adding an adorned proc to it.What about Planar Orb of the Wanderer?  Things with lots of INT are your friend.  Things with lots of STR are your friend.  Use Adornments to further enhance these "DPS gear" items with more of those things.What about a neck with the +DPS adornment?  Do you have a Haste item?  (Nice bracer drops in Nizara).You're not going to just be able to walk up to a mob in your "MT Healer" garb and do good DPS.  However, if you have 8 healers on a raid and are producing 24k DPS as a raid you don't need that gear.  The fight won't last long enough for you to run out of power.  If it gets close you can click your Doomseer legs and be fine.<div></div>

[SonnyA]

    Are you competing with the templar on even grounds? I mean, if you MT heal and debuff and he's only doing DPS, then it's not a fair fight.<div></div>

[ecoskii]

<P>Unfortunately it is a 'fair' fight <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  We are both MT heals, I have the +crushing shaman aa, adornment procs on weapons and shoulders, use pike of pain/serpentine skewer/tarinax spine/OOB ring etc etc - neither of us are in our dps gear when raiding - the temp can just put out massively more dps now...  as a raid it is not an issue, it just bugs me.  </P> <P>If we did put on dps gear he will just embarass me more - I doubt i ever do 1k dps in any situation, he can do it in MT heal gear - just feels that temps got massive loving and have left us for dead</P> <P> </P>

[Eepop]

Drop Int and get Agi....c'mon, all the cool kids are doing it.  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Banditman]

There is a log in <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=16722&view=by_date_ascending&page=2" target=_blank>this thread</a> of a Mystic doing 916 DPS solo'ing.I don't know how we can ask for more.<div></div>

[Vulking]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> Banditman wrote:</DIV> <DIV>I don't know how we can ask for more.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Like this Banditman, <EM><STRONG><FONT color=#6699ff>"Please sir, may I have some more?"</FONT></STRONG></EM> <FONT size=1>in your  best Oliver Twist. </FONT><FONT size=3>:smileytongue:</FONT></DIV>

[AziBam]

<div></div><font size="6">  </font><blockquote><hr><font size="3">Hammarus wrote:</font><div><font size="3"> </font></div><div><hr><font size="3">Banditman wrote:</font></div><div><font size="3">I don't know how we can ask for more.</font></div><div><hr></div><div><font size="3">Like this Banditman, <em><strong><font color="#6699ff">"Please sir, may I have some more?"</font></strong></em> </font><font size="3">in your  best Oliver Twist. </font><font size="3">:smileytongue:</font></div><font size="3"></font><hr></blockquote><font size="3">The Dev was a fat, healthy man, but he turned very pale; he gazed in stupefied astonishment on the small mystic for some seconds, and then clung for support to the computer.  The programmers were paralyzed with wonder; the defilers with fear.What! Said the Dev at length, in a faint voice.</font><div></div>

[jago quicksilver]

i have seen a mystic do 1.5-1.7k consistently, so something is missing from what you are doing.

[Jatofyr324]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>jago quicksilver wrote:i have seen a mystic do 1.5-1.7k consistently, so something is missing from what you are doing.<hr></blockquote>/sigh I know what we're not doing, we're not being in SD...darn you and all of your uberness.</div>

[icetower]

<DIV>I'm betting if you check the other guys aa you will find he is not "raid specced" as much as you.</DIV> <DIV>He's probably putting points into severe judgement and battle fervor , so if you combine them with yaulp, his base hits could be much larger :100% melee crits, plus 40% melee dps, plus 20% melee dps/ 20% haste/ 20% double hits.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To be in the same ballpark you would need to take the entire agi line.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it makes you feel better, your could tell him that your str line haste does affect the whole grp while his is self only, so you can count some of the entire groups melee dps as yours while he can not. :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even so, you are right in one thing. The templar melee AA are simply better designed than ours, mainly because our dog is so [I cannot control my vocabulary].</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Inebriation]

<blockquote><hr>jago quicksilver wrote:i have seen a mystic do 1.5-1.7k consistently, so something is missing from what you are doing.<hr></blockquote>I have to see that [I cannot control my vocabulary], Arozi. I don't believe it <span>:robotmad:</span><div></div>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<P>On single target raid mobs if I do usual warding and debuffs, i can hit about 418 DPS...  groups i can hit a little more.</P> <P>Tonight in Poets Palace Return (everything was green, and we were just farming it) I would get somewhere between 200 and 1700 DPS.</P> <P>I definately do better when there are multiple mobs, but single targets are easier cause they don't die as fast so i can hit a lot with that slow as hell hammer</P>