Adept III ward cancels Master I ward?

[Kaeth]

<DIV>My guild raids with me (mystic) in MA/ST group and a defiler in MT group. We are both lvl 70 and we both have the master I st ward.  Tonight we had another defiler on a MoA raid who has an adept III single ward. It looked like the lower spell cancelled our master I wards. I clearly remember before I had my st ward at master I, I would get the message "would not take effect". </DIV> <DIV>Did anyone notice this as well? Do lower lvl spells cancel higher lvl ones now and do mystic and defiler wards stack or only the group and st ward?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would appreciate any thoughts on this. Thx.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kaeth on <span class=date_text>09-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:37 PM</span>

[exxxie]

Mystic single target wards do not stack, regardless of quality.Shaman single target wards do not stack, regardless of quality.Shaman and Mystic group wards stack with single target wards.Group wards do not stack.Torpor stacks.Did I miss anything?<div></div>

[Shagg]

Well I see the concern over overwriting, but I don't think it would be good if a Ad3 ward couldn't overwrite a M1 ward that had 100hp left to burn on it. I doubt you'll get a mechanic that checks the amount of ward left before overwriting, so IMO its better if a lower quality ward can overwrite a higher quality ward otherwise 2 shaman in a raid would be painful. Some co-ordination is required of the shaman but its not so bad.<div></div>

[Moonspinn]

<P>I use ad3 ward and a defiler in the guild has the master. I started getting those "would not take effect" messages after the last LU when they fixed the issues with lower level spells overwriting higher ones. He said that he got the message before the LU but the LU fixed it. So just the opposite of the OP's experience happened to me.</P><p>Message Edited by Moonspinner on <span class=date_text>09-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:22 PM</span>

[Loki9s]

We only have me and a defiler, both m1 wards so I can't comment from personal experience but I was under the impression that no matter the spell level the two wouldn't stack, whichever one was on first would keep the other from casting until the ward was used up.

[Eepop]

If they are the same quality, one will overwrite the other. This thread is about the possibility that lower quality versions can perhaps overwrite as well now. <div></div>

[Karlen]

>>>>Mystic single target wards do not stack, regardless of quality.Shaman single target wards do not stack, regardless of quality.Shaman and Mystic group wards stack with single target wards.Group wards do not stack.Torpor stacks.Did I miss anything?<<<<Oberon?<div></div>

[Dragonreal]

I just saw this happen with druid regens last night... guild got a new fury recruit in th emiddle of a dt raid and they were constantly overwriting my m1 regen with an ad3 =/ was really annoying and makes no sense whatsoever that it should be able to do that

[Kaeth]

<DIV>Discussed this with the defiler and we tested it. The adept III overwrites the master I.  /bugged it.</DIV>

[Thatdumbg]

    This isn't a bug at all. What happens when you are raiding, and a master 1 ward has 100 points left on it when an adept 3 casts and you get the "does not take effect" message? You just wasted 2 seconds casting, and you now have to recast it. I can't see how the way it works now could be anything else other then an intended feature.<div></div>

[Dragonreal]

last time I remember getting a would not take effect message, it wouldn't let me cast at all.. and if I'm just mis-remembering things (which I'll admit is likely because well.. it's been a long time since I had less than a m1 on my regen) that's how it should work, not letting you go through however many seconds of casting before telling oyu it won't take effect.

[Kaeth]

<P>You got a valid point there Ulfgar.  When the M1 has less protection left an adept III overwrites based only upon the more absorption left, that does make sense. Will have to do some further testing on it, to see if that actually is the case. However in my opinion when the M1 has more absorption left then an adept III, it shouldnt overwrite.</P> <P>And on a side note, no time was waisted because you couldnt cast at all.</P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Kaeth on <span class=date_text>09-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:45 PM</span>

[Thatdumbg]

    Yeah you are right I was thinking of the "no targets in range" thing (the PBAE's that do let you cast first) =(But seriously, I can't really think of a situation in which I WOULDN'T want the A3 to overwrite the existing master 1. I mean sure, its a 200 some point difference... but the only time it would really matter is if the A3 was cast like a milisecond after you, or if the wards came in right behind a group ward. Even then, the amount of sheer incoming damage is such that it usually doesn't matter... like I've said before, I rarely see a ward last for more then a second or two (unless the tank is at 100 percent and I have torpor on top of single on top of group, and if that is the case, the mob is so easy that it doesn't matter anyways).Not only that, wards pushing each other help torpor reach full efficiency if it is running (meaning, if you cast torpor when a ward is up, you are wasting ward regeneration of torpor... the STward going down or being replaced pushes it behind torpor, which means torpor's efficiency just increased... and that increase is usually by at least the amount of warding you just lost, 233, so you get more out of it anyways).I dunno, it just doesn't seem worth the effort to code something in that would check versions and such, the times when it matters are virtually non-existant from everything I can think of.Of course, I've been known to brain-fart, so correct me if I'm wrong.<div></div>

[richie]

I think I may be confused now.  We have a 2 single target wards atleast I do at level 40.  Does one over ride the other?