Tier 7 Spear

[taywalt]

    I recently hit level 70 and still have not seen any good one handed (or two handed for that matter) tier 7 shaman spears, I'm pretty sure i've covered all of the group instances and i don't have a ton of time to raid. Could someone direct me to where I could find one? or if there are any quests that give you one?Thanks<div></div>

[Cragger]

<div align="left">Mostly, becuase there isn't one.</div><div></div>

[Leji]

<P>Well, im using Pike of Pain and  Serpentine Skewer myself. They are both raid drops though.</P> <P>So, if you really aren't digging raids, you're pretty much SOL when it comes to high end spears.  However, you can find some pretty decent 2handed ones on the broker (the pike of pain for one is dropable, there's also a trident of some sort with wicked WIS and solid FT that is dropable). Pending what server you're on, you may find something pretty decent on the broker for a good price.</P> <P> </P> <P>So, yeah, if what you're digging is a fabled T7 spear, it's either raids or the broker.</P><p>Message Edited by Lejina on <span class=date_text>08-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:26 PM</span>

[taywalt]

    Ok, If I were to raid....In which zones do they drop?<div></div>

[Ordate]

<P>I don't know what qualifies as a good spear for you.  I have trouble putting aside my ft14/heal proc stick even when I see shiny toys.  That being said, for raiding there is a good number of spear drops.</P> <P>The serpent skewer is a pretty nice one drops in labs.</P> <P>There is a 2 hander that has a proc on hostile spell cast, this comes from the dragon in ToS (not Harla as that is a seperate instance now, but I cant think of his name)</P> <P>I think the fear one is LoA though I get its drop confused all the time.</P> <P>Couple other "decent" ones floating around.  None that I would switch out as a permanent weapon though.  Perhaps if I eventually end up with so much ft and heal procs that loosing one wont hurt..</P> <P> </P>

[ecoskii]

<P>Pike of Pain drops of Pain (!) in Halls of Seeing fairly regularly.  You get to kill 2 mobs Pain and Suffering after clearing the first few areas in the zone.  The zone is reasonably tough for non-hardcore guilds, and gl with a pickup raid....!  Mantle of Suffering are excellent Mystic shoulders  that drop of Suffering -. think they are better than Doomseer but never really checked.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ecoskii - 70 Mystic</P> <P>I came, I saw but I forgot that I was the healer.... sorry</P> <P><A href="http://www.shadowsofthedragon.com" target=_blank>www.shadowsofthedragon.com</A></P>

[Eepop]

Basicly, what it comes down to, is that in any situation you could get a spear, you could get a better crusher from something equivilent. There are some good spears out there...but they come from raids, raids usually which could yield a better crusher. <div></div>

[Cragger]

<div><blockquote><hr>Eepop wrote:Basicly, what it comes down to, is that in any situation you could get a spear, you could get a better crusher from something equivilent. There are some good spears out there...but they come from raids, raids usually which could yield a better crusher. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Correct sir! Because if your raiding and your a priest and your actually trying to maximize your class towards doing what a priest should be doing in raids nothing in the game yet beats The Sceptre of Anuk. Both for the FT14 and the heal proc. Melee procs don't mean much to a priest in this game because its dangerous to the raid and not just yourself to close to melee on many epic mobs. Which makes things like Pike of Pain, Serpintine Skewer, etc. only truely usefull and better for solo/group content.Though I do love the fact that druids can wield Ghoulbane yet shamans can't wield Wurmslayer... oh well.</div>

[Shagg]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cragger wrote:<div>Though I do love the fact that druids can wield Ghoulbane yet shamans can't wield Wurmslayer... oh well.</div><hr></blockquote>Yeah and it sells to the merchant for 2g... yipee! I don't think you even recover fuel costs lol</div>

[Skyline GT-R34]

There is also a decent Legendary 2h spear that I think is quite comparable to Pike of Pain for its cost compared to the pike. Not sure where it drops and Ogaming didn't have it up when I looked. but it is called ANCIENT VELIUM LANCE. you lose a little WIS, not INT on it and has less power and now FL on it, but right now on EF server Pike of Pain is going for 40p and the lance was up for 1p 50g.<div></div>

[Banditman]

Those velium weapons will come down in price as more guilds get access to Deathtoll.  They are crap drops from trash mobs in there and rarely useful to a guild with the ability to gain access to the zone.<div></div>

[Master2you]

<img src="http://www.stfunub.com/Pics/trid.JPG">Thats what i use, im looking for a real good 1 hander Spear with 30+wiz and the shield that drops in the RoostLeg Bite does not work on the STR aa line but the rest do <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Vulking]

Where does that Trident drop?

[Banditman]

My guess would be a rare drop in Lyceum of Ahborrance.<div></div>

[Vulking]

It must be really rare if it drops in LoA, we have done that zone every week except the first week after launch of KoS.

[thedu]

It's LoA off of Gnillaw (sp?)... <div></div>

[Banditman]

<div><blockquote><hr>Hammarus wrote:<div></div>It must be really rare if it drops in LoA, we have done that zone every week except the first week after launch of KoS.<hr></blockquote>That's really impressive considering Lyceum wasn't available until about six weeks after KoS launched (February 27th = KoS, April 13th = Lyceum rollout).:rolleyes:</div>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Banditman wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hammarus wrote:<BR> It must be really rare if it drops in LoA, we have done that zone every week except the first week after launch of KoS.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's really impressive considering Lyceum wasn't available until about six weeks after KoS launched (February 27th = KoS, April 13th = Lyceum rollout).<BR><BR>:rolleyes:<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It seems fairly common, it's dropped 4 or 5 times for us.</P> <P> </P>

[Banditman]

I have 12 weeks worth of raids / history data for my guild in Lyceum.  We have not seen it in that time.This history only goes back to May 23rd, so it's possible we saw it in that first month the zone was active, but I don't remember seeing it.<div></div>

[Pingu_cfc]

Yeah lyceum seems to have funny drop rates on some of it's loot. I was the only person on my server with the Fear Harvest ring from the last named for ages then all of a sudden it drops every week.

[Finora]

<DIV>As a non-raiding lvl 70 I'm quite happy with the ancient velium shortspear I picked up for a 1handed spear and the ribcage scythe I had drop as my 2 handed one. Not necessarily the best stats for a mystic, but if I'm using a spear, I'm probably soloing or in a group that is doing damage too fast for it to be worth me casting many offensive spells other than a couple debuffs.</DIV>

[Banditman]

Funny you picked up a raid dropped spear for a 1H weapon tho isn't it?<div></div>

[Finora]

Yeah, I picked it up rather cheaply on a vendor, so I assumed it was 'junk' that dropped in a zone that my guild can't/doesn't go.<p>Message Edited by Calendri on <span class=date_text>09-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:56 PM</span>

[Sokolov]

<div></div>By the itme you can get the velium stuff.... your guild doesn't need it.  Heck, my guild has ONE person with access, and we vendor the velium stuff.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:41 AM</span>

[Guy De Alsace]

My 64 Mystic uses a Pristine Imbued Xegonite Javelin. +23 Wis amongst other things. <div></div>

[Vayn]

It could be coincidence but Serpentine Skewer has dropped the last two times we have done a Lab run.  As opposed to not dropping the 15 times prior that we did it, I mean.<p>Message Edited by Vaynglory on <span class=date_text>09-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:02 PM</span>

[Sokolov]

We got the 1hander off Vyemm tonight. But no Skewer for me =/ <div></div>

[Pingu_cfc]

<img src="http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5792/untitledpu2.jpg">Got this guy from Matron few days ago. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[thedu]

That is very nice..but no resists??  The damage is much better than I typically see for a Piercing weapon.<div></div>

[SandDragon]

And of course the other important question...What does it look like?HEHE!! Thanks;o)~

[Banditman]

That's really a disappointing drop from such a difficult mob.  It's no better than Orb of Truth that drops from Black Queen.<div></div>

[MmoWarlo]

in the description of the proc it says heals target,but the actualy heal wording says heals caster....so which does it do?<div></div>

[Sokolov]

<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:That's really a disappointing drop from such a difficult mob.  It's no better than Orb of Truth that drops from Black Queen.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Is that really how it works?  It heals the caster?  It's worded slightly differently... but as the other poster here also pointed out - it does say heals caster =/ If it works like we want it to, it'd be a good drop, but I agree that it's disappointing otherwise.  (But I still want one!)<div></div>

[Banditman]

In fact, Orb of Truth beats the ever lovin snot out of it.  Orb of Truth isn't proc'ed - it happens every time.  Orb of Truth has resists (mental / magic).  This item has more Wis / Power, but meh, I don't usually have power problems anyway.They have the exact same wording, so I'm going to assume they work exactly the same, except for the rate of application, which is pretty much insanely better on Orb of Truth.  One interesting but lesser known fact about the Orb of Truth is that the "hook" for Healing Pulse actually happens on the point where the heal lands on the target.  The upshot of this is that when I cast a group direct heal, I get not one, but six nice little shots of healing on myself.This item from one of the hardest mobs in the game in fact isn't all that much better than the collection ear with the proc'ed heal.  I don't have the exact stats on the Mystical Orb of Healing, but if my memory isn't totally muddled it's an ear slot with like 20 Wis and a 5% chance to proc a group heal.Matron is a hella hard mob to beat for such a mediocre piece.<div></div>

[Loki9s]

<DIV>Your stats on the collection ear are correct, i'm still wearing it hehe</DIV>

[Sokolov]

<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:In fact, Orb of Truth beats the ever lovin snot out of it.  Orb of Truth isn't proc'ed - it happens every time.  Orb of Truth has resists (mental / magic).  This item has more Wis / Power, but meh, I don't usually have power problems anyway.They have the exact same wording, so I'm going to assume they work exactly the same, except for the rate of application, which is pretty much insanely better on Orb of Truth.  One interesting but lesser known fact about the Orb of Truth is that the "hook" for Healing Pulse actually happens on the point where the heal lands on the target.  The upshot of this is that when I cast a group direct heal, I get not one, but six nice little shots of healing on myself.This item from one of the hardest mobs in the game in fact isn't all that much better than the collection ear with the proc'ed heal.  I don't have the exact stats on the Mystical Orb of Healing, but if my memory isn't totally muddled it's an ear slot with like 20 Wis and a 5% chance to proc a group heal.Matron is a hella hard mob to beat for such a mediocre piece.<div></div><hr></blockquote>While I have neither item, I can confirm that the text on each are DIFFERENT. The Orb of Truth states that "When target casts a healing spell this spell will cast Healing Pulse on caster: Heals target for 178." Whereas the spear off the Matron says it will heal the TARGET of the spell, but the followup text is "Heals caster."  Can you confirm, Bandit, that they both in fact work as you describe because you have tried both or know someone who has?<div></div>

[Banditman]

I have only the Orb of Truth atm . . . your info is wrong on it.  It's 193 healed.  Not sure where your info came from, perhaps a dated source.  I know the description on the one I have (dropped by Black Queen) is very misleading.  It very much leads you to believe that the "target" of the heal proc is your target, but that is not the case.<div></div>

[Sokolov]

<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:I have only the Orb of Truth atm . . . your info is wrong on it.  It's 193 healed.  Not sure where your info came from, perhaps a dated source.  I know the description on the one I have (dropped by Black Queen) is very misleading.  It very much leads you to believe that the "target" of the heal proc is your target, but that is not the case.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I inspected both items last night on a link as a level 47 Warlock.  Maybe it is affected by player level?  I can provide a screenshot of it if it is that important. In either case, my contention is that the items' descriptions DIFFER (and both in an ambigious manner) - so it may, or may not, actually function in the same manner.  I fully understand that the Orb of Truth proc is not on the target of the spell being casted.  But since you have not actually had experience with the Matron drop, I do not see how you have been able to claim that it functions the same with such conviction. <div></div>

[Pingu_cfc]

<DIV>To clarify the Spear Heals "ME" the weilder, not your target. </DIV> <DIV>It's a shame the proc is from a benafical spell, if it was say a CA or damage taken it would be very nice for a melee dps class because it procs like mad.</DIV>

[Banditman]

As I said . . . it's JUST like the Orb of Truth, only with a proc rate instead of "procs every time".One caveat, when you cast a group direct heal, the Orb of Truth fires on each target my heal hits.  I'd assume that the item from Matron would have a "chance" to proc on each person in the same manner.<div></div>

[Expiate]

Only way to go is Greatspear of the Outter Rim drops off princes in bs. 100% melee crit chance = 1k crits <div></div>