Wards are leaking again

[FelixDomesticus]

Yesterday I was fighting bloodbooms in KoS area and very commonly its poison dot and several other dots came through the ward. Has anyone else noticed this?<div></div>

[Aesdyn2]

They aren't leaking "again" they never stopped.

[FelixDomesticus]

I am pretty sure that wards did stop dots at some time, but now all dots come straight through again.<div></div>

[Munter78]

<div>Im afraid he is right. Damage is going through wards.  With no ailments on my tanks, they are still taking occasional damage with group and target wards up.  Im too lazy to ask for their logs to attempt to go through and see what spells/Ca's are doing this, but it is definately happening.</div>

[Mystiq]

Often the initial damage of a dot will be blocked if a ward is in place when it hits the target, but the subsequent ticks are almost never blocked, and I believe it's been that way for a long time.  Trauma effects might act differently than magic effects.<div></div>

[Banditman]

<div></div><p>Test it, log it.</p><p>We'll get it reported.</p><p> </p>

[Munter78]

<div></div><p>Ok, got some info.</p><p>I warded myself with Sacred Aegis Master 1, then Umbral Acrament Master 1, and ran through some mobs to Halls of Fate, Instantly the Sacred Master 1 did its job and was pretty muched used up.  Poison and Hidden Shiv were cast by Doomwing mobs, but from around that point I was taking damage.  I was taking a large amount of both piercing dmg from Doomwing excavators, crushing from Doomwing dragonspawns, and Poison was doing its dot dmg from Doomwing excavators, hidden shiv seems to be a piercing dot as well, it was doing a good amount of dmg as well.  I took about 3k dmg in maybe 4 seconds, even though Umbral Sacrament was still up, and was up before any ailments were put on me. </p>

[Banditman]

Logs.<div></div>

[Arfiniel]

<div></div><div></div><div>Hope all this fits.  Bold is where the ward gets cast or wears off.  Red is the tank getting hit.  I notice a lot of "your ward absorbed..." messages missing in my logs.  Maybe just the missing message is the only bug here and if that was there we wouldn't have to wonder if our ward worked or not.  Or maybe the ward just isn't absorbing damage.  Sometimes I see that message, but as you can see below, I don't.</div><div> </div><div>Sorry this is long but I wanted as much of the full picture as I could get here in case a dev actually reads this.  I've cut as much irrelevant stuff out as I could.</div><div>edit:  Yomiko is the tank.  All my single wards went directly on him.  I was in the MT group so my group ward should also have applied to him.</div><div> </div><div><font size="2"><p>(1143595770)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:30 2006] Yomiko's No Quarter critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 193 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595770)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:30 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon's brain is knocked around as their enemy gives them no quarter.</p><p>(1143595771)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:31 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 292 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font size="2" face="Arial"><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Yomiko's Breach hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 379 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon looks like they had something ruptured inside of them.</p><b><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] You call upon the protective spirits of the ancestors.</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Yomiko's group is surrounded by the protective ward of the ancestors!</p></b></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 1585 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Yomiko's Provoking Counterattack hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 240 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 37 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 668 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><p>(1143595772)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:32 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Yomiko's Persistent Battering hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 683 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Jemene calls forth primeval apiarian forces.</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Bellabutton prays for injurious divine aid.</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 300 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 1150 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 37 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 757 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595773)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:33 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><p>(1143595774)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:34 2006] Yomiko's frostshield melts away!</p><p>(1143595774)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:34 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 63 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595774)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:34 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 122 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595774)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:34 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is mutilated in battle.</p><p>(1143595774)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:34 2006] Lalula begins to command the elemental spirits.</p><p>(1143595774)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:34 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(1143595775)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:35 2006] Yomiko critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 422 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595775)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:35 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 1708 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595775)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:35 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 41 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595775)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:35 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 353 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Bellabutton petitions unseen divinities.</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Yomiko's Violent Pledge hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 264 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is infuriated by the raging strike.</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Yomiko's heart slows down.</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(1143595776)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:36 2006] Yomiko's pulse begins to quicken!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 197 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] A shield of frost surrounds Yomiko!</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 671 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 54 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 793 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><b><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Flidaisy envelops your group with a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Lalula's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Yomiko's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Bellabutton's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Ceker's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Duke's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Aliyah's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] You prepare the ancient Umbral Liturgy of warding.</p><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Switchblade's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</p></b><p>(1143595777)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:37 2006] Divine energies begin to coalesce about Lalula.</p><p>(114359577<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:38 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 309 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(114359577<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:38 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 122 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(114359577<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:38 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(114359577<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:38 2006] Yomiko feels soothed.</p><p>(1143595779)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:39 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 281 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595779)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:39 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon tries to crush Yomiko, but Yomiko blocks.</p><p>(1143595779)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:39 2006] Lalula calls forth primeval curative powers.</p><p>(1143595779)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:39 2006] Bellabutton prays for divine restorative guidance.</p><p>(1143595779)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:39 2006] Yomiko's Wallop hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 168 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595779)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:39 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon beigns to bruise after a severe thrashing.</p><p>(1143595780)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:40 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 288 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595780)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:40 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Lalula's Nature's Elixir heals Yomiko for 1205 hit points.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Lalula has been healed by the power of truth.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Yomiko is revitalized!</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 1233 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 997 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] You prepare the ritual of Learned Healing.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] YOUR Learned Healing heals Yomiko for 1637 hit points.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Yomiko is briefly touched by a soft golden light.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 257 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595781)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:41 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon feels lethargic!</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Siobhan calls upon the ancestors for assistance.</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Lalula calls forth primeval curative forces.</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 207 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Bellabutton's Grand Restoration heals Yomiko for 1662 hit points.</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Yomiko is restored to health!</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 131 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595782)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:42 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 228 hit points.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Bellabutton petitions unseen divinities.</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 1550 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko is granted a Divine Shield.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 1484 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon is hit by Engulfing Fires of Ro for 96 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko's frostshield melts away!</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Lalula's Wild Salve heals Yomiko for 496 hit points.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Lalula has been healed by the power of truth.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko is healed by primeval curative forces</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko's Slay hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 636 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a vanquishing blow.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon regains their wits.</p><p>(1143595783)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:43 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 215 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595784)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:44 2006] Yomiko's Agonizing Press hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 291 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595784)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:44 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is pressed back.</p><p>(1143595784)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:44 2006] Siobhan begins to command the spirit realm.</p><p>(1143595784)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:44 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(1143595784)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:44 2006] Yomiko is protected by strong prayers.</p><p>(1143595785)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:45 2006] Yomiko critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 339 points of crushing damage.</p><b><p>(1143595785)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:45 2006] You call upon the protective spirits of the ancestors.</p><p>(1143595785)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:45 2006] The ancestral spirits surrounding Yomiko's group dissipate.</p><p>(1143595785)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:45 2006] Yomiko's group is surrounded by the protective ward of the ancestors!</p></b><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Jemene calls forth primeval apiarian forces.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon tries to crush Yomiko with Raging Blow, but Yomiko parries.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Yomiko's heart slows down.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 375 hit points.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Yomiko's pulse begins to quicken!</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Bellabutton petitions unseen divinities.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 157 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 131 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko but fail to inflict any damage.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Bellabutton's Supplicant's Prayer critically heals Yomiko for 169 hit points.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595786)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:46 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595787)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:47 2006] Yomiko's Violent Pledge hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 428 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595787)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:47 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is infuriated by the raging strike.</p><p>(1143595787)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:47 2006] Yomiko cursed Disciple of The Slashing Talon with the fury of the Godking.</p><p>(1143595787)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:47 2006] Yomiko cursed Zaine with the fury of the Godking.</p><p>(114359578<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:48 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 273 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(114359578<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:48 2006] You say to the group,"[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]"</p><p>(114359578<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:48 2006] Yomiko's Breach hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 513 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(114359578<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:48 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon looks like they had something ruptured inside of them.</p><p>(1143595789)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:49 2006] Siobhan invokes the Cry of the Ancients.</p><p>(1143595789)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:49 2006] Bellabutton prays for injurious divine aid.</p><p>(1143595789)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:49 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 321 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595789)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:49 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko but fail to inflict any damage.</p><p>(1143595789)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:49 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595789)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:49 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595790)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:50 2006] A shield of frost surrounds Yomiko!</p><p>(1143595790)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:50 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 131 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595790)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:50 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 156 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 135 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Bellabutton petitions unseen divinities.</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 456 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Bellabutton's Supplicant's Prayer heals Yomiko for 451 hit points.</p><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 1538 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><b><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] The ancestral spirits surrounding Yomiko's group dissipate.</p></b><p>(1143595792)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:52 2006] Yomiko's No Quarter hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 79 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595793)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:53 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 174 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595793)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:53 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 197 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595794)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:54 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon no longer looks lethargic.</p><p>(1143595794)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:54 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 265 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595794)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:54 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 126 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595794)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:54 2006] Lalula's Untamed Bloodflow heals Yomiko for 5 hit points.</p><p>(1143595794)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:54 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 131 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(1143595795)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:55 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 156 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595795)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:55 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 185 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595795)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:55 2006] Siobhan calls upon the ancestors for assistance.</p><p>(1143595795)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:55 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon writhes in agony as It is blasted with arcane heat!</p><p>(1143595795)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:55 2006] aPC 355785 Yomiko:Yomiko/a says to the group,"what"</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 122 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 155 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Yomiko's heart slows down.</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] You say to the group,"TWO wards on yomiko and he's getting damaged"</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 723 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Bellabutton's Supplicant's Prayer heals Yomiko for 451 hit points.</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 1026 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595796)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:56 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><p>(1143595797)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:57 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 172 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595797)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:57 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 170 points of disease damage.</p><p>(114359579<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:58 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 287 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(114359579<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:58 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 199 points of disease damage.</p><p>(114359579<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:58 2006] Yomiko's Amputate hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 131 points of slashing damage.</p><p>(114359579<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:58 2006] Yomiko's Violent Pledge hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 199 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(114359579<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:29:58 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 185 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595799)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:59 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 345 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595799)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:59 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon was interrupted!</p><p>(1143595799)[Tue Mar 28 20:29:59 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 173 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 347 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 129 points of disease damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" color="#ff0000" size="2"><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko for 1460 points of crushing damage.</p></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Bellabutton's Supplicant's Prayer critically heals Yomiko for 606 hit points.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko is granted a Divine Shield.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko's Frost Spikes hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 1166 points of cold damage.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon is struck with a holy weapon!</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko appears less sure of Himself.</p><p>(1143595800)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:00 2006] Yomiko's frostshield melts away!</p><p>(1143595801)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:01 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 414 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595801)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:01 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 172 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595802)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:02 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 172 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595802)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:02 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 206 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595802)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:02 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 439 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595802)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:02 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 161 points of disease damage.</p><b><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] You call upon the protective spirits of the ancestors.</p><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] Yomiko's group is surrounded by the protective ward of the ancestors!</p></b><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] disciple of The Slashing Talon hits Yomiko but fail to inflict any damage.</p><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] Yomiko is granted a Divine Shield.</p><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] Yomiko's Flameshield hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 48 points of heat damage.</p><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] Disciple of The Slashing Talon takes reprisal damage!</p><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 445 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595803)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:03 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 162 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595804)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:04 2006] Bellabutton petitions unseen divinities.</p><p>(1143595804)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:04 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 319 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595804)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:04 2006] Yomiko's Blade Chime hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 157 points of disease damage.</p><p>(1143595805)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:05 2006] Yomiko critically hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 534 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595806)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:06 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 187 points of crushing damage.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] You prepare the ritual of Learned Healing.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] YOUR Learned Healing heals Yomiko for 991 hit points.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] Yomiko is briefly touched by a soft golden light.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] Yomiko hits disciple of The Slashing Talon for 195 points of crushing damage.</p><b><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Aliyah's group dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Lalula's group dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Yomiko's group dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Ceker's group dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] Your umbral shroud dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Bellabutton's group dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Duke's group dissipates.</p><p>(1143595807)[Tue Mar 28 20:30:07 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Switchblade's group dissipates.</p></b></font></div><div> </div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class="date_text">03-29-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:48 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class="date_text">03-29-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:49 AM</span></p>

[Raff]

<div></div><p>This is good data. I do want to ask what expectations should be from a non objective perspective. What I am interested in understanding better is the intent of ward protection. My impression (whethor myth or based on some dev note I've read/misintrepreted over the last year and a half, I can't say) is that wards are intended to absorb melee and DD damage, not DoT's. What I would expect to see is absorbtion of a first tick of a DoT (most initial tick's are DD based and the rest of the ticks directly impacting the targets HP. This is what makes curing spell/CA effects critical.</p><p>Before anyone says you bone head, why would you ever want that? I'm not stating I want it, just stating thats how I understand it and how I approach the issue, I spam cures when needed. When the target (typically tank) has more effects than I can possibly cure, we have a discussion regarding his gear and resists.</p><p>What I don't know, and would love to learn, is the behavior of the other classes special heals. I would imagine regens aren't impacted, they just heal HP, the more a DoT takes away, the more the regen becomes effective/efficient asuming the DoT is less than the Regen capability. Reactives, do they tick +HP when a DoT ticks -HP (I don't know).</p><p>Are we certain wards are intended to absorb DoT damage and are not, or noticing they don't and requesting they do? To me, I can go either way. It's going to either deplete the ward and allow greater DD/melee impact when it drops, requiring more warding or it's going to eat at my tank's health requiring a heal if the damage is high enough. I'm still going to have to overcome the spell/CA effect by curing if I want to maintain effeciency and mitigate DoT damage. Which negates the both scenarios really. This was definately an issue for us pre-DoF when we didn't have adequate cures. We do now, so I don't really see the impact being all that great. Where it is (raiding) we should expect no lazy healing and all effects are cured immediatly as they drastically change the success rate of the encounter.</p><p>Appreciate your feedback and point of view. I'm all for fixing things that are broke.</p>

[Eepop]

<div></div>Wrong thread.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Eepop on <span class="date_text">04-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:05 PM</span></p>

[Banditman]

Yes, Wards are intended to absorb all damage.  There was a fix a LONG time ago that specifically addressed the ability of Wards to absorb DoT damage.<div></div>

[thedu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Yes, Wards are intended to absorb all damage.  There was a fix a LONG time ago that specifically addressed the ability of Wards to absorb DoT damage.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Really?What are wards NOT suppose to absorb?</span><div></div>

[Sokolov]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>thedump wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Yes, Wards are intended to absorb all damage.  There was a fix a LONG time ago that specifically addressed the ability of Wards to absorb DoT damage.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Really?What are wards NOT suppose to absorb?</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Damage coming from sources defined as "parental units," "spouse," and "significant other" are all damage which Wards do not prevent.</span></div>

[thedu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>thedump wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Yes, Wards are intended to absorb all damage.  There was a fix a LONG time ago that specifically addressed the ability of Wards to absorb DoT damage.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Really?What are wards NOT suppose to absorb?</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Damage coming from sources defined as "parental units," "spouse," and "significant other" are all damage which Wards do not prevent.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Ouch..I definitely need a ward for those <span>:smileytongue:</span></span><div></div>

[Raff]

<div>"Damage coming from sources defined as "parental units," "spouse," and "significant other" are all damage which Wards do not prevent."</div><div>LOL</div>

[Banditman]

Correct, Wards cannot protect you from Faction damage.<div></div>

[Terayon]

Ive also heard of an epic DoT known as "Baby Aggro" supposedly it has a moderate DD but has immense tick damge to your mana.<div></div>

[Sokolov]

<div>Baby Aggro, while not curable, can usually be prevented from occuring at all by all classes.</div>

[Aeralik]

<div></div><p>I just checked in a fix for damage going through wards.  When they would crit the script for them would error out making them look like they were working but in reality they weren't.  Hopefully this will fix the overall leaking problem since this was the only time I saw damage going through a single ward. </p><p>I also fixed the group wards failing to function when overwritten last week so hopefully the damage issues are resolved now.</p><p> </p>

[Eepop]

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[PhxDM]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div></div><p>I just checked in a fix for damage going through wards.  When they would<u><strong> crit</strong> </u>the script for them would error out making them look like they were working but in reality they weren't. </p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>Can our wards Crit?  I did not think they could.</p><p> </p>

[Mystiq]

Thanks for the response Aeralik, we really appreciate it. I'm also happy to hear that, even though the mechanism is bugged, wards are indeed intended to crit, which I assume we'll be able to verify once the fix goes in.I also wanted to add something else here for the rest of the Mystic community that wasn't able to see Aeralik's other posts on this. In an update in the near future, ward text will be displayed to everyone around you similar to the way normal heals work, but not quite the same so you can tell the difference. Also in the works is the ability to display remaining ward damage in the client, as it's being absorbed on the target I assume. Good stuff!<span></span><div></div>

[Sokolov]

<div>WOOHOOOOOO!And does this mean that Wards CAN crit and WILL crit when fixed??<span></span></div>

[Eepop]

Thats certainly what it sounds like!/dance<div></div>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div></div><p>I just checked in a fix for damage going through wards.  When they would crit the script for them would error out making them look like they were working but in reality they weren't.  Hopefully this will fix the overall leaking problem since this was the only time I saw damage going through a single ward. </p><p>I also fixed the group wards failing to function when overwritten last week so hopefully the damage issues are resolved now.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>Glad to see you dignified the Mystics with a response to the ward issue after ignoring Defilers for Months.  Thanks!  I truly hope it extends to defiler wards as well, but knowing the hate devs have for us, I'm not sure. </p><p>Thanks soe.  Waiting on VSOH here.</p>

[Shiss]

<div></div><p>Um do you really believe the developers hate the defiler's?  I mean you know someone in the programming group that has said, "You know them defilers... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I hate them... lets screw them and give just the mystics the fixed wards.. yeah that's it.."</p><p>Please.  I cannot remember the last time I could think of a programmer that thought during his busy schedule in checking in new code... testing to make sure it was working properly.. documenting correctly and making sure it compiled with out a hitch.. had time to think OH WAIT... yeah I need to screw this class over.</p><p>Please comments about devs and there jobs and speculation over hate for a class do not belong here.  all that is is rumermongering. Nothing more.</p>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Shissan wrote:<div></div><p>Um do you really believe the developers hate the defiler's? </p><p><font color="#ffff00">Umm, yes I do.</font></p><p> I mean you know someone in the programming group that has said, "You know them defilers... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I hate them... lets screw them and give just the mystics the fixed wards.. yeah that's it.."</p><p><font color="#ffff00">Nope, they just ignore us. The above would really require too much thought about us.</font> </p><p>Please.  I cannot remember the last time I could think of a programmer that thought during his busy schedule in checking in new code... testing to make sure it was working properly.. documenting correctly and making sure it compiled with out a hitch.. had time to think OH WAIT... yeah I need to screw this class over.</p><p>Please comments about devs and there jobs and speculation over hate for a class do not belong here.  all that is is rumermongering. Nothing more.</p><p><font color="#ffff00">Far from rumor, just stating the known truth.  And I was responding to the post of the DEV that posted here.  This was not directed at the Mystic community but at the deveolper.  Sorry to post on your forum ( i know how upset that makes some) but as the Devs NEVER visit the Defiler forums or respond to our posts I thought it only made sense to post in a place they DO look.</font></p><p><font color="#ffff00">Good day to you.</font></p><p></p><hr></blockquote>

[Kaleco]

<div>Broomhilda perhaps you should play a class the developers love?</div><div> </div><div>Either that or quit....as you do not seem to be happy with what YOU have chosen.</div>

[Kikena]

<blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div></div><p>I just checked in a fix for damage going through wards.  When they would crit the script for them would error out making them look like they were working but in reality they weren't.  Hopefully this will fix the overall leaking problem since this was the only time I saw damage going through a single ward. </p><p>I also fixed the group wards failing to function when overwritten last week so hopefully the damage issues are resolved now.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>What does crit mean? Is it short for critical? How does a ward crit? Does this term refer to a some type of combat alert/text?</p><p>I play a Mystic but I am un-familiar with this term. Any able to reply with a nice explanation? I would appreciate it.</p>

[Mystiq]

<div></div>Oh really, a dev <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=9084#M9084" target="_blank">NEVER responded in the Defiler forum</a>?Or even to any <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=5028#M5028" target="_blank">Defiler issues</a> in the spell forum for that matter?I understand the dev presence in the class forums is rather sparse, but don't try to claim our board, or even our issues, gets any more QT than yours does Broom.<div></div>

[Mystiq]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Kikenata wrote:<blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div></div><p>I just checked in a fix for damage going through wards.  When they would crit the script for them would error out making them look like they were working but in reality they weren't.  Hopefully this will fix the overall leaking problem since this was the only time I saw damage going through a single ward. </p><p>I also fixed the group wards failing to function when overwritten last week so hopefully the damage issues are resolved now.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>What does crit mean? Is it short for critical? How does a ward crit? Does this term refer to a some type of combat alert/text?</p><p>I play a Mystic but I am un-familiar with this term. Any able to reply with a nice explanation? I would appreciate it.</p><hr></blockquote>Yes, crit is short for critical, and in most games a crit refers to a larger amount than normal of something, be it damage from a nuke or a melee hit, or a higher heal.  In our case, I assume, a ward crit means we have a chance to ward for more than the base amount each time we cast one. It's not as easy to identify as a heal crit since wards exist in a logging vacuum atm. Once ward crits are fixed, along with ward logging and feedback text, it will be much easier to understand when and how it happens.Hope that helps.</span></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Mystique wrote:<div></div>Oh really, a dev <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=9084#M9084" target="_blank">NEVER responded in the Defiler forum</a>?Or even to any <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=5028#M5028" target="_blank">Defiler issues</a> in the spell forum for that matter?I understand the dev presence in the class forums is rather sparse, but don't try to claim our board, or even our issues, gets any more QT than yours does Broom.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Mystique, I appreciate your pointing out the second Lockeye post above, where he says our Voice of Ancestors spell is working as intended, and then invites us to submit a list of the mobs that we are saying it doesn't work against.  I had never seen that post, and will ask all defilers to take him up on that offer and start compiling a list of mobs for which VoA doesn't cure the stun, stifle or mez of that mob.</p><p>And to other Defilers, the reason Aeralik (the dev) posted his explanation on the Mystic board is because his original explanation about this fix was in a post Banditman started about this issue on a private forum.  We all expressed joy about this in the other post, and asked Aeralik to post this same information on the public boards.  In this case, I feel like it was most appropriate for Aeralik to post this on the Mystic boards, because it was Banditman's post and detailed information about the ward bug that got him to comment about this in the first place.</p><p>This bug fix will drop the Defiler bug/issues list down to 7 items (according to the numbered issues in my post within that post).  As Mystique says, he also added at least one cool new features to wards as a bonus.  And yes, it is also my understanding that wards will now crit.</p><p>So, good job, Banditman, thank you, Aeralik.  Peace and happiness to everyone else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Edit:  And lest I forget one of the best incoming improvements of all, beginning with this patch, ward depletion will now show in a uniform manner, such that ward depletion can be parsed, similar to how heals can be parsed.  I feel like this is a major step toward shaman being made equal among priests <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Message Edited by Ixnay on <span class="date_text">04-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:25 PM</span></p>

[Broomhilda]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>And to other Defilers, the reason Aeralik (the dev) posted his explanation on the Mystic board is because his original explanation about this fix was in a post Banditman started about this issue on a private forum.  We all expressed joy about this in the other post, and asked Aeralik to post this same information on the public boards.  In this case, I feel like it was most appropriate for Aeralik to post this on the Mystic boards, because it was Banditman's post and detailed information about the ward bug that got him to comment about this in the first place.</p><p><font color="#ffff00">As this applies to BOTH Mystics and Defilers the appropriate thing to do would have been to post this on the Defiler forum as well as there is a WARD thread that is current there.  Talking about addressing the ward issue in only one Shaman thread is just plain silly as it effects both shaman types.  Either way, I'll beleive it when I see it and then I'll wait a few weeks more.    This will be thier 2nd or 3rd attempt at fixing wards.  VOA & Defile, not withstanding, there is a laundry list of Defiler issues that have YET to be addressed or even acknowledged.   Thanks for the info Ixnay.</font></p><p></p><hr></blockquote>

[Aeralik]

<div></div>Just to clarify the logging and damage shown in the ui is still in progress but almost done.  So LU 22 will just have the critical bug fixes and the other stuff will come in LU 23.  There just isnt much time before LU 22 for proper testing of it all but you can look forward to it soon <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Seltha-Larren]

<div>When will wards ward against falling damage and chest damage?  I mean it's damage too, right?</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[blynchehaun]

A slight issue with Mail of Frost, the Wizzie self-Ward.You cast it, and it will trigger if you drop below 30% hp.However, if you drop below 30%, cast it, and are then damaged <b>while below 30%</b>, it **doesn't** trigger.<div></div>

[Ixnay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div></div>Just to clarify the logging and damage shown in the ui is still in progress but almost done.  So LU 22 will just have the critical bug fixes and the other stuff will come in LU 23.  There just isnt much time before LU 22 for proper testing of it all but you can look forward to it soon <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Thank you for the clarification <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Late]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Broomhilda wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr><p><font color="#ffff00">As this applies to BOTH Mystics and Defilers the appropriate thing to do would have been to post this on the Defiler forum as well as there is a WARD thread that is current there.  Talking about addressing the ward issue in only one Shaman thread is just plain silly as it effects both shaman types.</font></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><hr></blockquote>So instead of being happy that they are actively working on a Shaman issue, you've now chosen to complain about the forum that they post info in? Amazing....some people are never satisfied.I don't think the mystic community would care if they posted an update to one of our problems in the Wizards forum...or the Guardian forums. They can post it in the Lore forum for all we care. What matters is that they are working on it, not where a dev choses to post.</span></div>

[NimSul]

<DIV>I take it back - im disgusted by this whole secret forum thing</DIV><p>Message Edited by NimSul on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:31 AM</span>

[Mettleine]

Hearing that wards can crit is even greater news than the bug fix! :pI wonder if the AA ability that increases healing crit chance also affects the chance for wards critting... *crossing fingers*

[Sokolov]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>And to other Defilers, the reason Aeralik (the dev) posted his explanation on the Mystic board is because his original explanation about this fix was in a post Banditman started about this issue on a private forum.  We all expressed joy about this in the other post, and asked Aeralik to post this same information on the public boards.  In this case, I feel like it was most appropriate for Aeralik to post this on the Mystic boards, because it was Banditman's post and detailed information about the ward bug that got him to comment about this in the first place.</p><hr></blockquote>Ah yes, I forgot, the only reason this is being fixed is because it was mentioned on a private forum.  Many players have given good feedback on this issue (I don't know what "detailed information" means, but I've seen some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good posts about it from non-Banditman), but none have been even acknowledged except Bandit and yourself, and we are supposed to be happy that he posted about the fix to us WHEN YOU ASKED?  I feel it is entirely INAPPROPRIATE there should be a private forum where the dev is taking information from in order to do fixes while apparently ignoring the SAME reports on the official servers and bug reports.  What are we?  Grade 3?  Secret Friendship Club?</div>

[Ordate]

<DIV>First I want to say a big thanks to those that provided the info to get this problem seen.  Mystics and Defilers alike.</DIV> <DIV>Second, I want to thank the devs that are fixing this issue, posting about it, and also adding in a tweak that makes knowing what is going on so much better (logging).</DIV> <DIV>Third, to the defiler(s) that are whining about what board this appeared on, grow up.  That takes a major amount of immaturity to complain about it not being posted on "your" boards.  The dev was gracious enough to take time out of his busy schedule to post here in the first place when he is a dev, not a community relations person.</DIV> <DIV>Finally, crap!  Now I have to think my AA line since our wards will crit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Ishnar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ordate wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finally, crap!  Now I have to think my AA line since our wards will crit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>hehehe<BR>

[Sokolov]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ordate wrote:<div>That takes a major amount of immaturity to complain about it not being posted on "your" boards. </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>If you look at it from another prespective, the one where Mystics have been asking us not to post here because it's "your" boards and "why are Defilers here," then it becomes apparent that when a dev posts about an issue on the Mystic boards that pretains to BOTH classes, and relies on the HOPE that Defilers will wander over here.  The irony that if we stick to our own boards we would not be informed of a vital issue to our class.   But we are supposed to "grow up" for wanting them to actually acknowledge our presence.The earliest reports of the Ward issues came from the Defiler boards, yet there has not been a single dev response there.  Now apparently the fact is that Banditman had to post on a private forum to get dev attention to this issue and this sets off alarms in my head about the policies in place for customer service and feedback.Otherwise, yes, I am happy they are fixing Wards.  </div>

[Banditman]

Here is exactly what I posted, minus the logs, in the forum mentioned.  I took no credit for the data collection at all.  The only credit I have any right to is for relaying the information to all sources at my disposal.If you like, I'll stop using all the means at my disposal to get problems addressed.<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:I'm not sure this will help diagnose the problem, but here are some tests run by one of the more competent Mystics in the forums regarding the current holes in Wards.They are broken and it is a HUGE problem.This is the raw log, the highlights are mine used to illustrate the testing process.<hr></blockquote><div></div>

[Sokolov]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Here is exactly what I posted, minus the logs, in the forum mentioned.  I took no credit for the data collection at all.  The only credit I have any right to is for relaying the information to all sources at my disposal.If you like, I'll stop using all the means at my disposal to get problems addressed.<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:I'm not sure this will help diagnose the problem, but here are some tests run by one of the more competent Mystics in the forums regarding the current holes in Wards.They are broken and it is a HUGE problem.This is the raw log, the highlights are mine used to illustrate the testing process.<hr></blockquote><div></div><hr></blockquote>My issue is not with you, Bandit, please don't intrepret my comments that way.  My issue is why they don't acknowledge that the same information you relayed is already posted.  Why only acknowledge it where the rest of us cannot see?  Heck, I assume those logs came from these very boards(if not, there are logs aplenty here, some even have screenshots).... so WHY did they have to be reposted somewhere private to get the dev to look at it?  That makes NO sense.As I asked Ixnay earlier, sould I stop using the official channels (boards and bug reports) and simply pass all info to him and yourself?  The evidence is telling me that this is how to get things fixed</div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:02 AM</span>

[Ordate]

<DIV>Bahh wrote a long reply to you sokolov but it got eaten for some reason.  In short:</DIV> <DIV>1) I think its good to have people that share so much in common to post on the boards as long as it isnt general pointless bickering and stay to issues specific to the class whose board it is on or to shared concerns.</DIV> <DIV>2) yes how the issue finally got seen is disturbing, I would suggest emailing <A href="mailto:[email protected]" target=_blank>[email protected]</A> (I think thats the email address) and talk about the lack of response from bug reports, discussion, pms, etc.  (I cant promise a response or anything happening from that either)</DIV> <DIV>3) Catch flies with honey.  Now that a dev has actually looked, dont chase him away.</DIV> <DIV>4) Posting in any forum from a dev will get the most response as I am certain it is safe to say people check the dev tracker in general far more often then any set of boards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS:  Bandit, please use any and all tools at your disposal to get issues seen.  As it is the general customer has difficulty having their concerns seen though that shouldnt be the case.  While I wish it was different, it isnt, so keep up the good work <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:28 AM</span>

[Broomhilda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sokolov wrote:<BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>My issue is not with you, Bandit, please don't intrepret my comments that way.  My issue is why they don't acknowledge that the same information you relayed is already posted.  Why only acknowledge it where the rest of us cannot see?  <BR><BR>Heck, I assume those logs came from these very boards(if not, there are logs aplenty here, some even have screenshots).... so WHY did they have to be reposted somewhere private to get the dev to look at it?  That makes NO sense.<BR><BR>As I asked Ixnay earlier, sould I stop using the official channels (boards and bug reports) and simply pass all info to him and yourself?  The evidence is telling me that this is how to get things fixed</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Sokolov on <SPAN class=date_text>04-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:02 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Precisely.  It appears then that the official boards are Irrelevant!  The ONLY way to make the devs look at our issues are on private forums.  Bugs, posting, feedback is totally useless here.  I will remember this for the future that the official SOE forums are nothing but a big waste of time!</P> <P>To all here my issue is NOT with mystics and never has been,  It is with this games developers and the lack of respect and acknowledgement they have shown Defilers.  Yes, they should have posted on all shaman forums this important information.  As many mystics have told us to GET OFF thier boards in the past and since that whole HP buff debate childishness I have no desire to visit the Mystic forums.  I would have NEVER known that this info was posted if Bandit hadn't posted a link on the Defiler forums.    Lack of respect on the part of SOE towards defilers, plain and simple.</P> <P>And to all that feel the need to kiss the rear ends of SOE because they are FINALLY fixing something that should have been fixed 9 months ago, I say kudos to you.  I'm not doing it. These ward issues have been going on since the game started.   I remember posts that are over a year old made by defilers about the ward problems.  So I'm not in the habit of thanking someone for something that should have been corrected long ago and I'm paying my money for it.  </P> <P>Good day.<BR></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:36 AM</span>

[Banditman]

Actually the current Ward issue has only been present since KoS released.  The issue was totally related to Wards that crit.We often forget that other Healing classes had problems as well.<div></div>

[Sokolov]

<div><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Actually the current Ward issue has only been present since KoS released.  The issue was totally related to Wards that crit.We often forget that other Healing classes had problems as well.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I hadn't forgotten how fast they were fixed.</div>

[Broomhilda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Banditman wrote:<BR>Actually the current Ward issue has only been present since KoS released.  The issue was totally related to Wards that crit.<BR><BR><STRONG>We often forget that other Healing classes had problems as well.<BR></STRONG><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Bandit, I'm really trying to avoid this forum in future but to respond:  Yes, they do and they get corrected pronto.  Warden directs, cleric reactives, fixed in a matter of weeks.  Wards have always had issues, and I know Defiler wards have had seperate issues.  Whether the current issue is a new one is irrelevant, there has always been ward issues lingering since the onset of the game that the devs have not properly addressed for months.  </P> <P> </P>

[Ixnay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sokolov wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ixnay wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>And to other Defilers, the reason Aeralik (the dev) posted his explanation on the Mystic board is because his original explanation about this fix was in a post Banditman started about this issue on a private forum.  We all expressed joy about this in the other post, and asked Aeralik to post this same information on the public boards.  In this case, I feel like it was most appropriate for Aeralik to post this on the Mystic boards, because it was Banditman's post and detailed information about the ward bug that got him to comment about this in the first place.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ah yes, I forgot, the only reason this is being fixed is because it was mentioned on a private forum.  Many players have given good feedback on this issue (I don't know what "detailed information" means, but I've seen some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good posts about it from non-Banditman), but none have been even acknowledged except Bandit and yourself, and we are supposed to be happy that he posted about the fix to us WHEN YOU ASKED?  <BR><BR>I feel it is entirely INAPPROPRIATE there should be a private forum where the dev is taking information from in order to do fixes while apparently ignoring the SAME reports on the official servers and bug reports.  <BR><BR>What are we?  Grade 3?  Secret Friendship Club?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How dare you.</P> <P>I will NEVER, EVER AGAIN post anything that you can create this kind of drama about.</P> <P>You think for 20 bucks a month you deserve a dedicated SoE employee to give you daily updates on your concerns and issues?</P> <P>Welcome to the spacious and hollow vacuum of silence.<BR></P>

[Sokolov]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Sokolov wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Ixnay wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <p>And to other Defilers, the reason Aeralik (the dev) posted his explanation on the Mystic board is because his original explanation about this fix was in a post Banditman started about this issue on a private forum.  We all expressed joy about this in the other post, and asked Aeralik to post this same information on the public boards.  In this case, I feel like it was most appropriate for Aeralik to post this on the Mystic boards, because it was Banditman's post and detailed information about the ward bug that got him to comment about this in the first place.</p> <hr> </blockquote>Ah yes, I forgot, the only reason this is being fixed is because it was mentioned on a private forum.  Many players have given good feedback on this issue (I don't know what "detailed information" means, but I've seen some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good posts about it from non-Banditman), but none have been even acknowledged except Bandit and yourself, and we are supposed to be happy that he posted about the fix to us WHEN YOU ASKED?  I feel it is entirely INAPPROPRIATE there should be a private forum where the dev is taking information from in order to do fixes while apparently ignoring the SAME reports on the official servers and bug reports.  What are we?  Grade 3?  Secret Friendship Club?</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>How dare you.</p> <p><b>I will NEVER, EVER AGAIN post anything that you can create this kind of drama about.</b></p> <p>You think for 20 bucks a month you deserve a dedicated SoE employee to give you daily updates on your concerns and issues?</p> <p>Welcome to the spacious and hollow vacuum of silence.</p><hr></blockquote>I would hope not, as it shouldn't have happened in the first place.  Not that this is really drama.And no, I don't expect my 20 bucks to provide a dedicated SoE employee (altho it's actually more than that as I have a Station Pass), when did I ever say this?I just want the company as a whole to take a step forward in costumer relations and communications.  This means it isn't my money we are talking about, but everyone's.  We ALL deserve proper communication and attention from the people who develop the game.  Just because you are special and have a private forum does not mean you should look down on the rest of us who simply want the same kind of information you have apparently been privileged with.You yourself indicated that the dev posted here because you asked.  Why should you even have to ask?  Is ignoring the customer base really in the best interest of SoE?  (Ironically, overall I am quite happy with the game, it has come a long way since launch, and I am enjoying KoS and the new PvP gameplay immensely.  My biggest concern of late mostly are what I preceive to be customer relation and communication problems - long periods of silence, stealth nerfs, missing update notes, inconsistent/bad GM/CSR behavior.  I could theoritically preface every post with some praise of the devs, but as I said before, if my post is meant to complain about something, that's what it'll be about.  My positive feedback has been given elsewhere in their appropriate places.)</div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:03 AM</span>

[Eepop]

Broomhilda and any other defiler complaining about what board it got posted on: The dev wasnt relying on defilers to happen to wander onto the mystic forums, he was expecting the shaman community to communicate that a fix was coming. I had given defilers notice that we(shamans) got a responce within minutes of getting it.  If someone was keeping up with the defiler threads they would have full access to seeing that response. As for why the post was on the mystic boards: the logs that proved the problem came from mystics.  Even if defilers said it was broken first, it doesnt get fixed until someone takes the time with logs to prove that its broken.  Devs rarely respond to simple statements that something is broken.  They need the cold hard data to help them find and resolve the issue.  A mystic ran the logs, pointed out the problems, and then another mystic moved them into the dev's attention. So he posted in on the mystic boards, get over it. And for the record, mystics have no problem with defilers being on the mystic boards.  What we have a problem with is when defilers come to our board and brush off our concerns with limited knowledge, saying any data that we have gathered is pointless. We are all for having civil discussions about issues that effect both classes.  And much thanks to the defilers here that are keeping it civil. <div></div>

[Eepop]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:<div></div><div>I just want the company as a whole to take a step forward in costumer relations and communications.  This means it isn't my money we are talking about, but everyone's.  We ALL deserve proper communication and attention from the people who develop the game.  Just because you are special and have a private forum does not mean you should look down on the rest of us who simply want the same kind of information you have apparently been privileged with.You yourself indicated that the dev posted here because you asked.  Why should you even have to ask?  Is ignoring the customer base really in the best interest of SoE?  </div><hr></blockquote>While I certainly would like more open communication, attacking Ixnay or Banditman isnt the answer. Banditman (and probably Ixnay) were ELECTED* as class representatives early in the life of the game.  Not because they thought they were better than other people, but beacuse they would do the WORK of collecting information to give to the devs, so that our issues could be fixed more expediently. They take thier personal time out to work on our issues, they are just players, they don't have to do this.  The least you could do is show a little appreciation. So they get special priviledges to see a private board, they also have special responsibilities that they have to fullfill to have those priviledges. * - It has been brought to my attention that there were no offical SoE sanctioned elections.  What I remember must have been an unoffical election within the mystic community.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Eepop on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:35 AM</span>

[Sokolov]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Eepop wrote:<blockquote><hr>Sokolov wrote:<div></div><div>I just want the company as a whole to take a step forward in costumer relations and communications.  This means it isn't my money we are talking about, but everyone's.  We ALL deserve proper communication and attention from the people who develop the game.  Just because you are special and have a private forum does not mean you should look down on the rest of us who simply want the same kind of information you have apparently been privileged with.You yourself indicated that the dev posted here because you asked.  Why should you even have to ask?  Is ignoring the customer base really in the best interest of SoE?  </div><hr></blockquote>While I certainly would like more open communication, attacking Ixnay or Banditman isnt the answer. Banditman (and probably Ixnay) were ELECTED as class representatives early in the life of the game.  Not because they thought they were better than other people, but beacuse they would do the WORK of collecting information to give to the devs, so that our issues could be fixed more expediently. They take thier personal time out to work on our issues, they are just players, they don't have to do this.  The least you could do is show a little appreciation. So they get special priviledges to see a private board, they also have special responsibilities that they have to fullfill to have those priviledges.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I never intended to attack either of them.  If anyone has felt I did, I apologize.  If they want to take it personally or interpret something I never intended, that's not something I can help. For example, in the other thread I posted in recently, Bandit apparently assumed I was arguing that HP buffs were equal even tho I specifically stated that there is a disparity.  I even specifically told Banditman I have no issues with him in this very thread.  I certainly appreciate the fact they got SOMEONE's attention so we can get our issues addressed.The question is why the dev is posting there and not here and only here when asked?  Why is it that the same information that was in these boards has to be posted ELSEWHERE by Banditman in order for it be to acknowledged?  It isn't limited to Defiler or Shaman or Mystic issues, EVERYWHERE you look there's complaints of communication issues.  This is a big deal, and I hope SoE sees it.  All it would've taken to satisfy many people is a few simple words now and then to make many people happy.  And you are telling me SoE relies on the community to pass out information it should be?</div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:30 AM</span>

[Broomhilda]

<P>This is my last post as this is nothing but another waste of time.  Mystics do have a problem with us being on their boards and have said this many times.  I myself stay away from them becuase I see no real good coming from it.  I was forced to come here because the Devs saw to it to ignore Defilers once again and address the mystics ONLY about a concern that involves us both.  If you had been ignored for months you would feel slighted as well.  As you have not been, you see no problem with what happened.  </P> <P>Many Defilers have run logs and given actual data about issues in the past.  To imply that we never had and only mystics have is an insult, but no worries, I really don't care as this has become par for the course.  Again my post was to the game devs not mystics, however I see some of you have DECIDED to take it personally so I will say again, this is a waste of time.  And nothing good has come of it.  </P> <P>I have learned a valuable lesson:  posting on the forums, listing concerns, giving feedback and bugging is a total waste of time and I for one am done with it.  Many Defilers left this game long ago and I finally see why they didnt stay and fight.  No one listens to us.  Period.</P> <P>Good day and peace out.</P> <P> </P>

[Mystiq]

<div></div>Eepop pretty much nailed it, good post dude.For starters, yes myself, Ixnay and Banditman all have access to a private forum, that we do not mention to avoid the kind of drama that is starting up in this thread.The forum was created for special invitees of last year's Fan Faire, <i>chosen by the people, for the people,</i> to attend a special panel with the devs to bring up issues we feel are important. The idea was to keep the open line of communication between mature, flame retardant posters/players and the devs so that we can help fish the vast sea of this forum and bring the really important issues to their attention faster. I defy anyone to read every new post in every forum every day, and respond to every one that's even remotely your area of expertise, while working 8-12 hours a day. You can't do it, and neither can they. If you don't like that at least your issues are being conveyed in one for(u)m or another to the (hopefully) devs' attention, fine, we can stop right now.And as for the mystic community being dubious of defilers posting on our boards, well maybe you should take a look at what you are trying to contribute here, because for the most part what I see is arguments, complaints and dev attacks. I'm not talking about every defiler that posts here, and we don't hate anybody, but we aren't without reason when it comes to our feelings about defiler posters here. If you want to post here about issues common to shamans, that's great, we don't mind, but I'd like to move past the drama at this point.In fact, you wanna know what happened when a defiler joined the ww mystic channel? Our friend radical edward decided to show up one night and stir up defiler vs. mystic drama, with a few attacks against my and others' guilds thrown in for fun. Oh but according to him, he joined the channel to discuss some achievement paths (uh huh). We mostly sat back and let him make a fool of himself before I'd had enough and asked him to leave. I understand that he isn't the defiler spokesperson, but hey I don't speak for the entire mystic community either, yet I don't have to throw doody on the playground to get my point accross.<div></div>

[Ordate]

<DIV>I dont think mystics have any problems with defilers posting here.  I think we have problems with people that throw around insults, unwarranted accusations, and temper-trantums from posting here regardless of class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In your fanatic zeal against the "evils" of SOE you have consistentently made blind accusations and been down right rude to the dev team and the community as a whole Broom.  You read what you want into what someone says and throw back your fantasy as some wacked out proof.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll be glad to see you no longer posting here.  Not because you are a defiler.  But because you are a hinderance to the community.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(And yes I know that Im bordering on doing what I said, this is what happens when trolls get the best of you and you post without counting to 10)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Ordate on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 AM</span>

[Sokolov]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Mystique wrote:<div></div>Eepop pretty much nailed it, good post dude.For starters, yes myself, Ixnay and Banditman all have access to a private forum, that we do not mention to avoid the kind of drama that is starting up in this thread.The forum was created for special invitees of last year's Fan Faire, <i>chosen by the people, for the people,</i> to attend a special panel with the devs to bring up issues we feel are important. The idea was to keep the open line of communication between mature, flame retardant posters/players and the devs so that we can help fish the vast sea of this forum and bring the really important issues to their attention faster. I defy anyone to read every new post in every forum every day, and respond to every one that's even remotely your area of expertise, while working 8-12 hours a day. You can't do it, and neither can they. If you don't like that at least your issues are being conveyed in one for(u)m or another to the (hopefully) devs' attention, fine, we can stop right now.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Secrets have never helped anyone.  You see this sort of thing crop up all over in human history.  Priests not letting anyone else read the holy books of their religion, as an example.  Those involved in the circle always feel justified in their actions and in some cases, they really are.  But it doesn't make anyone else feel good about it and ultimately seems to cause more problems than it solves.The point is I have no problem with this "elected class respresentative" deal (btw, Kendricke disputes that there is such a thing) at all.  It makes sense, and I agree with you that it would improve communications (and hope all of you continue your work in this regard).  My problem is that I feel (and I might be wrong) that any efforts I and others who are not in that circle have put worth have not generated any response unless one of you takes it forward.  If the class rep thing had been disclosed to begin with, and say, Banditman when he copied over the logs had said something like, "I am bringing this issue to the devs directly," that would gone over much better with me. And I am also not saying the same dev dealing with our issue has to read everything we write every single day, of course that's ridiculous.  But can we get SOMEONE to communicate with us once in awhile, in general?  Is THAT really too much to ask?  Right now, Ixnay has said that when he did post, he only did so at your behest.  What does that tell us about the importance of the rest of the player base from our point of view?Or maybe I am just insane.Anyway, I am sure you won't let my complaints stop you from putting forth the effort you have always given, and that's a good thing.  I just hope you understand why I am upset about this and why I question whether I should continue giving feedback my own way.Again, my apologies to anyone who felt personally attacked as this was not intended.  Most of you seem like reasonable people, and it's okay that we disagree, it certainly does not mean I hate anyone or anything of the sort.  </div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:17 AM</span>

[Raff]

<P>Great news and I'm glad things wern't supposed to work as I understood them. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>And Mystic's, thanks for not assuming all the defilers are like a certian subset of vocal defilers. Think it's bad on your boards, try discussing something w/ them on our own boards - down right frustrating. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[NimSul]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mystique wrote:<BR><BR>For starters, yes myself, Ixnay and Banditman all have access to a private forum, that we do not mention to avoid the kind of drama that is starting up in this thread.<BR><BR>The forum was created for special invitees of last year's Fan Faire, <I><FONT color=#ffffff>chosen by the people, for the people</FONT>,</I> to attend a special panel with the devs to bring up issues we feel are important. The idea was to keep the open line of communication between mature, flame retardant posters/players and the devs so that we can help fish the vast sea of this forum and bring the really important issues to their attention faster.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hmm... i guess us secondary players can only hopy the forces to be (you 3 apparently, not the devs as one could have hoped) hears our pleas.</P> <P> And heck i was wondering what the dev was talking about in his second reply but apparently its a hint made to the 3 of you that some other fixes thats mentioned on this "board of the only worthy players" are commng into play in lu23.</P> <P>This whole thing is absolutely <U>DISGUSTING</U><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mystique wrote:<BR> <BR>...<FONT color=#ffffff>If you don't like that at least your issues are being conveyed in one for(u)m or another to the (hopefully) devs' attention, fine, we can stop right now</FONT>...<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes please stop this stupidity, if theres a discussion between the devs and the community it should be between ALL of the community and the devs, not just the select few "uber" people here.</P> <P>"</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board?board.id=gameplay" target=_blank><B><FONT color=#c8c1b5>Gameplay Discussion</FONT></B></A> <BR><SPAN class=module_data_subtext>This forum is a place to talk about EverQuest II gameplay with other members of the community. <FONT color=#66ff00>If you wish to provide feedback on a specific area of the game, please post in the appropriate forum in the EQII Main Hall, Class Discussion forums, or Artisan's Workshop</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>"</P> <P>Hmm guess not...</P>

[Godflower]

<DIV>You are way off base here NimSul.  The Devs. rely on the work of Banditman, Mystique & Ixnay to distill the information on this forum for them.  If this work wasn't done it would take even longer for our issues to be addressed, particularly since they would have to look though a zillion useless posts (esp. from people like me :smileyvery-happy: ) .  They have put the time and energy in to know the class well at all levels and have been excellent at bringing our ward and class specific issues to the attention of the Devs.   They have earned this right and it is good that it is all done behind the scenes, so none of us can derail or clutter their work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/rant off</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit=spelling & grammar</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Godflower on <SPAN class=date_text>04-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:10 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Godflower on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:11 AM</span>

[Sokolov]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Godflower wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div>You are way off base here NimSul.  The Devs. rely on the work of Banditman, Mystique & Ixnay to distill the information on this forum for them.  If this work wasn't done it would take even longer for our issues to be addressed, particularly since they would have to look though a zillion useless posts (esp. from people like me :smileyvery-happy: ) .  They have put the time and energy in to know the class well at all levels and have been excellent at bringing our ward and class specific issues to the attention of the Devs.   They have earned this right and it is good that it is all done behind the scenes, so none of us can derail or clutter their work. </div><hr></blockquote>It doesn't seem odd to you that 2 classes' destinies are apparently being controlled by 3 players who are not SoE employees (incidentally that some of them argue with each other on the official boards quite heatedly?)?  That the dev does not post on these forums unless one of them asks him to?  That he does not even read these forums except for that one of the three pass on?  Why do we compile information then?  Why do we submit bug reports?  Did Broomhilde's consolidation post in "Spells, Abilities, etc." even matter?For instance, if it had been revealed to the Defiler community that we should help Ixnay put together information for issues so he could present it to the Devs, I would have gladly done so.  Instead we get "leaked" that they managed to get the attention of a dev on a private forum somewhere to fix one of our issues as though we are worshippers who the Gods decided to smile upon and should be grateful.At the same time I have Kendricke sending me private messages to tell me there is no such thing as "elected class representatives."  This whole thing blows my mind.</div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:41 AM</span>

[robusticus]

<P>I'm one sad, gimpy little paladin atm with 28 AAs and some WAY broken wards, so just thought I'd stop by and say thanks to the devs for fixing this and I hope your tests are going well, I look forward to seeing the crits.</P> <P>And to the defilers: shut up and get a grip.  What IS it with people posting in other class forums? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Godflower]

Well there is gratitude for you, theirs is a thankless job it seems.  I guess it all boils down to trust and I trust the 3 of them to act in the interest of the class and health of the game as a whole.  I also doubt that the Devs choices & the status of the class are under their 'control'.   I continue to post my opinions and expericenes because it does help them get a full picture of the class and while I may not have the power that they do, it does have an effect.  I urge everyone to continue posting experiences, suggestions etc - work with them rather than against them.  If it is really the power to be the insider that you want Sokolov, well then you must earn it.<p>Message Edited by Godflower on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:00 PM</span>

[Sokolov]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Godflower wrote:<div></div> <div></div>Well there is gratitude for you, theirs is a thankless job it seems.  I guess it all boils down to trust and I trust the 3 of them to act in the interest of the class and health of the game as a whole.  I also doubt that the Devs choices & the status of the class are under their 'control'.   I continue to post my opinions and expericenes because it does help them get a full picture of the class and while I may not have the power that they do, it does have an effect.  I urge everyone to continue posting experiences, suggestions etc - work with them rather than against them.  If it is really the power to be the insider that you want Sokolov, well then you must earn it.<p>Message Edited by Godflower on <span class="date_text">04-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:00 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I am glad there are people doing this work.  I wouldn't mind doing it and many people have been doing similiar things all over these forums, with or without the aid of direct line to the dev, but it's appreciated that these people been putting in the time all the same in either case.  I don't really disagree with the principle of the system, if it was intended.  I have said that earlier in this thread.  I appreciate the work being done, but don't think it makes these individuals any more special based on that.  Responsibility has a way of making people step-up, and there are outstanding people all over these forums who could do it.  I don't think it gives anyone the right to tell me that I shouldn't ask for what I believe is proper costumer service.My problem is with the secrecy and the attitudes displayed in relation to its revelation.  It's like medicine - you know it's good for you but it still tastes bad - and you are suddenly told someone had been slipping it to you "for your own good" and you realize that your own efforts to get yourself better didn't really amount to much.  Sure, you may recognize that you need it, but you still feel angry, especially when everyone around you adopts an attitude that if you disagree you need to shut up and take it as is or you are an ungrateful lout.It just comes down to communication in the end.  Do I need to have "the power of the insider?"  No, not really, I, and I believe the others, just wanted to know what was going on.  Instead the idea that the player base should be informed is dangled in front of us like a treat we don't deserve: "We'll bring issues to the Devs' attention in another forum when we want.  And we'll ask him to post here when we think he should.  And you should be thanking us, cause it's a thankless job."  And, in Ixnay's case, "If you don't like it the way it is and try to convince me, then I'll never talk to you or anyone else here again."</div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 AM</span>

[Raijinn]

<DIV>Ok here's the deal, no one person's input will get a change to a class made, there are no real class reps, and we read all the forums for input as to how things are going.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope that dispells some myths and rumors on how things work.</DIV>

[Broomhilda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok here's the deal, no one person's input will get a change to a class made, there are no real class reps, and we read all the forums for input as to how things are going.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope that dispells some myths and rumors on how things work.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>:smileyvery-happy:   Thank you Raj!  However as you can see we were being told otherwise.</P> <P>Good day !</P> <P>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <SPAN class=date_text>04-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:13 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Broomhilda on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:16 PM</span>

[Banditman]

I think you vastly overestimate the level of contact our inclusion in that forum entails.It's not like I have Lockeye, Illucide, Vhalen or whoever on speed dial.I simply have a place where the signal to noise ratio is better than average.It is only marginally more "exclusive" than the "Lords" forum, which many here do not have access to or knowledge of either.<div></div>

[NimSul]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Godflower wrote:<BR> <DIV>You are way off base here NimSul.  The Devs. rely on the work of Banditman, Mystique & Ixnay to distill the information on this forum for them.  If this work wasn't done it would take even longer for our issues to be addressed...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This should never be the case, if SOE cannot bother to spend the money to do the job properly and read thru the posts themselves they should most definitly use the same way they use to moderate the forums. They can have people PM them with the relevant threads and then deal with the issues in the threads within that thread.</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Godflower wrote:<BR> <DIV> They have put the time and energy in to know the class well ...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Like every other player out there...</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Godflower wrote:<BR> <DIV>They have earned this right and it is good that it is all done behind the scenes, so none of us can derail or clutter their work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You should take them off that pedistal before they fall down from it, it looks pretty high and shaky...<BR><BR></P>

[NimSul]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok here's the deal, no one person's input will get a change to a class made, there are no real class reps, and we read all the forums for input as to how things are going.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope that dispells some myths and rumors on how things work.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Then how come players have to ask the devs to repost what they said on private forums here before it gets done? I dont buy it at all.

[Banditman]

There was no request made to have a Dev repost anything here.<div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NimSul wrote:<BR> <BR>Then how come players have to ask the devs to repost what they said on private forums here before it gets done? <FONT color=#ffff00>I dont buy it at all.<BR></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Thankfully, the truth doesn't require you to believe it in order to be true.<BR>

[Mystiq]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<div>Ok here's the deal, no one person's input will get a change to a class made, there are no real class reps, and we read all the forums for input as to how things are going.</div><div> </div><div>I hope that dispells some myths and rumors on how things work.</div><hr></blockquote>Thank you for posting Raijinn. Good God some people just have to believe some secret society is deciding their fate.There is no dev Bat Phone.There are no class reps, and there never will be to my knowledge. Neither myself, Banditman nor Ixnay ever claimed we were. I fail to see where any of us 3 told any of you otherwise, so please check your sources before making claims.There is no magical place where every dev will respond on every thread, and then take action. No place that I have access to anyway.Guys, try to remember we're on your side. We're all just players, nothing more.</div>

[Sokolov]

<blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:There was no request made to have a Dev repost anything here.<div></div><hr></blockquote> Was Ixnay lying? <blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote: <p>And to other Defilers, the reason Aeralik (the dev) posted his explanation on the Mystic board is because his original explanation about this fix was in a post Banditman started about this issue on a private forum.  We all expressed joy about this in the other post, and asked Aeralik to post this same information on the public boards.  In this case, I feel like it was most appropriate for Aeralik to post this on the Mystic boards, because it was Banditman's post and detailed information about the ward bug that got him to comment about this in the first place.</p><hr></blockquote> <div></div>

[Banditman]

It was my understanding that Ixnay asked privately if he could share the information from that forum to these forums.  There was no official response to that request.  Instead, a Developer chose to respond by posting his private response here, in the thread which seemed appropriate to the topic at hand.Everything that followed was drama.<div></div>

[Raff]

<P>Perhaps all shaman should be gnomes. We would all be incredibly mighty, never worry about inferiority complexes and speak only in gnomish to exclude other lesser classes. I think it would build commrodary and lessen the angst some players here have.</P> <P>I move we not worry about the ward leak fix and prop a change next update that makes us all gnomes and create a locked forum for all of us gnome shaman to bask in. Being a gnome will compensate for any broke or arguably broke spells, promote betterment of our classes and provide everyone an oppertunity to be considered elite. Being a gnome is a very special priveledge and will help everyone feel good.</P> <P>That is all... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>edit: BTW, humor not directed at those who helped get the leak issue identified and fixed, mystics in general or most defilers. I just wanted to say something silly and non-sequetor. </P><p>Message Edited by Raffta on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:55 PM</span>

[sostrows]

I for one, would highly support class reps, if issues like this ward issue were resolved as quickly.I don't really care who wears the Illuminati ring, as long as stuff gets fixed.Gonna go fire up my parser fighting some nettlehorrors in Bonmire to prove Defiler Spirit line is not working as intended...<div></div>

[Neo3216]

<blockquote><hr>The forum was created for special invitees of last year's Fan Faire, <i>chosen by the people, for the people,</i><div></div><hr></blockquote>Thats funny...I consider myself one of "the people" and I don't remember being consulted.People will always react badly to anything that makes them feel like a second-class citizen, and the concept of an exclusive forum with greater access to the devs available only to a select few is definately going to make them feel that way.

[Dae Draug]

from patchnotes today : <span class="postbody"> *** Combat *** Defiler: - An issue that could cause damage to "leak" through a ward when the ward critical healed has been corrected. Mystic: - An issue that could cause damage to "leak" through a ward when the ward critical healed has been corrected.</span> Well done SOE /applaud<div></div>

[sostrows]

If you still have contact with this Fan Faire forum.Can you ask a DEV to check out this post.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=20&message.id=9310&jump=true#M9310The Defiler spirit line is suppose to 50% chance to damage a mob everytime it heals itself.  Spell almost never works.Thanks.<div></div>

[icetower]

<DIV> <DIV>Well since the Mystic "secret forum member" actually has a clue about collecting factual information and presenting it in a meaningful way, Its hardly surprising he gets more responses in the Mystic forum over the Defiler forum.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not that I agree with the whole special invitation only forum concept. I'm with Sokolov on that one. I find it pathetic that no dev or other SoE rep can be bothered making the time once a month or so to have a skim of the <EM>larger</EM> class threads (i.e. not every single little gripe) and actually make a comment. Even if just to say they have read and understood the main arguements.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Issues like this just serve to alienate players, because all they see on face value is a bunch of threads with no responses month after month......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by icetower on <span class=date_text>04-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:36 PM</span>

[Kikena]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok here's the deal, no one person's input will get a change to a class made, there are no real class reps, and we read all the forums for input as to how things are going.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope that dispells some myths and rumors on how things work.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thanks for the update Joel.</P> <P>I'm quite surprised the thread isn't locked as it has diverted from the OPs topic and gone into an argument/discussion about something besides the Ward working or not working properly.</P> <P>The additional discussion of feedback on forum postings might have merit, but not in relation to the topic of this thread.</P> <P>I appreciate everyone's passion for the game though and them taking the time out to give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. When I read this thread I'm looking for additional status on the Wards and if those Log messages are in yet or not. I look forward to the next Live Update and the log messages fix/update.</P> <P>Good Luck and Have Fun Out There.</P>

[Guiddian]

<P>just so you know the problem wasnt just shaman class</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=23057" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=23057</A></P> <P> </P> <P>paladin wards were effected as well and detailed logs were presented and also didnt get a response. we had to read it here as well</P>