STR AA and the Logging behind it, Questions, more questions, and ... logs

[mystt]

<div>Maybe the mystics need to come together and ask the developers to actively look at a way to log and verify a how our skills work (WARDS, and AA abilities).  With that said, I have posted the STR line and how happy I am with it.  I truely am,  BUT, I would like some hard "logged" facts that it is working.  You know,  while the developers are at it...fix the WARD LOGGING also!</div><div> </div><div>Here are a few posts of my logs for Spiritual Foresight.  I usually manually count the AE blocks, but I am proposing that it does not work all the time.  Spiritual Foresight lasts for 5 seconds and gives the casters group AE immunity for the five seconds!  I know it works sometimes however here are some logs where it does not! </div><div> </div><div>EXAMPLE OF THE AE that is being CAST.</div><div>(114359756<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 19:59:28 2006] keeper of the Awakened tries to burn Kurzog with Incendiary Cloud, but Kurzog resists.(114359756<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 19:59:28 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Gamaddor for 134 points of heat damage.(114359756<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 19:59:28 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits YOU for 574 points of heat damage.(114359756<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 19:59:28 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Horus for 1634 points of heat damage.(114359756<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 19:59:28 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Oleksiy for 271 points of heat damage.</div><div> </div><div>This is an AE to prove that "Incendiary Cloud" is in fact an AE.  As you can see it hits the entire group...with that said...here are the next log pieces.</div><div> </div><div>(114359754<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 19:59:08 2006] You are protected by Spiritual Foresight. <strong>(supposed to be 5 seconds---look at the time)</strong>(1143597552)[Tue Mar 28 19:59:12 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits YOU for 212 points of heat damage.</div><div> </div><div>here is another... (group members)</div><div> </div><div>(1143597660)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:00 2006] You are protected by Spiritual Foresight. <strong>(supposed to be 5 seconds---look at the time)</strong>(1143597661)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:01 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Kurzog but fail to inflict any damage.(1143597661)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:01 2006] YOUR ward absorbed 225 points of damage! <strong>(personal ward on)</strong>(1143597661)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:01 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits YOU but fails to inflict any damage.(1143597661)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:01 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Horus for 128 points of heat damage.(1143597661)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:01 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Ashrar for 236 points of heat damage.</div><div> </div><div>and another... (this guy was in my group also - I was not standing close enough to the others to pick up the log I guess)</div><div> </div><div>(114359766<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Mar 28 20:01:08 2006] You are protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143597671)[Tue Mar 28 20:01:11 2006] keeper of the Awakened's Incendiary Cloud hits Oleksiy for 890 points of heat damage.</div><div> </div><div>Ok, those are a couple examples.    Now, the next part of this was whether the first line "protected by..." was the proc that went off when an AE hit.  This I am not sure of, but the way the logs post I do not think that is the case.  The only reason I am unsure of this, is becuase at some points I get the following messages.  Not every time, but on occation I will get this logged message.</div><div> </div><div>(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] Brooklyn is protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] Kurzog is protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] Gamaddor is protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] You are protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] Ashrar is protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] Oleksiy is protected by Spiritual Foresight.(1143606809)[Tue Mar 28 22:33:29 2006] Nikar is protected by Spiritual Foresight.</div><div> </div><div>Anyway, I am really confused,  are there any Mystics out there that can explain it.  In closing I know it works because I have seen in proc and the AE did not hit my group, nor was it resisted.  I am looking for a "logged" instance where you see something like this:</div><div> </div><div>"Such and Such was shielded from XYZ AE by Spiritual Foresight..." (this does not exist today, but would be a good example)</div><div> </div><div>Anyway,  can anyone shed any light on this logging subject?</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Banditman]

Some thoughts:I don't recall those mobs in particular, they could have come from a number of zones in KoS.  However, I have noticed a trend among mobs in KoS that may or may not have bearing on this.Many of the AE's I've seen are quite insidious little beasts.  They feature no only a significant DD portion, but also a smaller DoT component.  In Ascent of the Awakened it seems like every bloody mob in the zone has something like this.So my question here, or comment perhaps, you are clearly showing Spiritual Foresight proc'ing - which is good.  However, did the AE actually come a few seconds earlier and what we are seeing here is a remaining DoT component?  The hits seem awful small compared to what I've seen.Another comment / question.  I believe Spiritual Foresight works "unless direct", meaning, "unless you have hate".  Did you or your group perhaps have hate?<div></div>

[Eileithia]

<div></div>The "Unless Direct" tag in that spell means that it will only land if you are the specific target of the spell.. if it's an Encounter AE that the mob is casting it will hit you.. if it's a True AE that they are casting then it will not hit you while under this effect, as the mob is not specifically targeting you as the recipient of the spell.

[mystt]

<div></div><p>Interesting comment from the Defiler, this may be an "encounter AE".  That would explain, those instances away, however,  I would like to see some type of "shielded" or "protected" message.  Other thoughts?</p><p>Bandit...the "unless direct" is exactly the way the defiler said it works.  I believe these are now, "encounter AE" dots.  But still somewhat uncertain.</p>

[thedu]

<span>I think the logging issue  is probably with  all the classes.  I know  cross posting  isn't  too good, but I would repost this in the Achievements forum.</span><div></div>

[mystt]

<div></div><div>Well,  since Banditman and Mystique are more of the "defacto leaders" of the Mystic class -- I think as leaders and rep's of mystics all over Norrath, that would be something they would do, to further our involvment in the community. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Man, what a political answer...</div>

[Banditman]

If we can ever get some response to the <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=12678" target="_blank">Mystical Musings</a> compilation thread, we'll cross things off and move this in.  We've got a lot of bugs atm, the most serious of them Ward leakage.<div></div>

[thedu]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>mystt wrote:<div>Well,  since Banditman and Mystique are more of the "defacto leaders" of the Mystic class -- I think as leaders and rep's of mystics all over Norrath, that would be something they would do, to further our involvment in the community. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Man, what a political answer...</div><hr></blockquote>I think of them more as bening despots <span>:smileytongue:With the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament..</span><span></span></span><i></i><div></div>

[Eepop]

<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote: We've got a lot of bugs atm, the most serious of them Ward leakage.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Perhaps its time we stopped to identify the problems that arent mystic specific, but are instead shaman issues.Both mystics and defilers are kind of lamenting thier current state of broken-ness, but can't muster enough force to get the devs to pay attention.Perhaps if we seperated out the shaman issues into a seperate thread we could start by working with defilers to get that set addressed, and then if we can get the dev's attention fixing those issues, we can direct them to the mystic and defiler threads.</span><div></div>

[Darkstu]

<div>I will agree with Eilethia on this one.  Dogdog is usually left unscathed with AE immunity in zones like ToS and Lab of Lord Vyemm.  On the other hand the mobs in ascent have specific encounter only AEs that are considered to be "Direct AE" so dogdog is obliterated.  Just what I have noticed. </div>

[Eileithia]

<div></div>I'm willing to work with anyone on the general shaman issues such as ward leakage, and the huge amount of AA problems. and I agree, we need to have a combined effort to get these fixed because, apparently, the designers don't give a rats [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about the shaman class as a whole. Neither Mystics or Defilers have had any dev posts about any of our issues even being looked into.

[phantomho]

<div></div><p>i always park the dog behind the mob and he never gets touched by ae unless the tank moves.</p><p>i had to pick a change there i would like his proc to last longer to protect me and the group,</p><p>still hate the fact you have to use certain items to use the aa's like leg bite and ritual.</p><p> </p>