Runic Mystic Buff Line is BUGGED!!!!!!!!!!

[Placid Soulsav]

<div></div><div>ATM today i found out that the mitigation line of this buff reduce the tanks mitigation when in group with other priest.</div><div> </div><div>I then find this line of spells POINTLESS in raids...=(</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>SoE please fix this again.</div><p>Message Edited by Placid Soulsaver on <span class="date_text">03-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:52 AM</span></p>

[canislupus64]

<div></div><div>I will have to test this later but are you sure that</div><div> </div><div>1.) The quality of your spell is not lower than the other priest ex. Fury's one is M1 but yours is adept 3?</div><div> </div><div>2.) Are you overwritting a more powerful spell? I know that templars mit buff is a bit higher than a mystics at M1, only 30 points or so but it might be it.</div><div> </div><div>The reason why i am asking those questions is that our mit buff (runic tailsman, runic aegis, ext..) is all based off the spell "Courage" which we all used to have as a priest.</div>

[Arfiniel]

<div>Mine overwrites a more powerful inquis's.  I was asked to completely remove mine.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>So I had an extra Foretelling to cast on someone.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Shagg]

All these spells should coexist, casting order might be important. While the mit buff won't stack, the secondary effect (mystic ward, druid regen, cleric HP?) should still be complimentary as I understand it. A regenerating 105pt ward for the group is nothing to be sneezed at.<div></div>

[Mystiq]

While the spell is bugged, it's far from pointless. I suggest that those of you concerned about this spell not stacking properly should see about upgrading it as high as you can. If it is equal or greater in strength than the miti buff of another priest present in your group, you shouldn't have any problems. Miti buffs have never stacked among priests (not for a long, long time anyway) but the highest value is supposed to overwrite any lower quality buffs present.  As someone mentioned, the regenerating ward portion of this spell makes it very handy to keep on at all times, but if for whatever reason you can't upgrade it and it is causing problems with the group's miti, leave it off and cast your single hp/power buff on someone else.<div></div>

[Dragonreal]

<div></div><p>I would very much like to see this fixed as well.. I just bought my m1 mit buff for 11.5p and did my first raids with it tonight; can't express how grating it is to spend that much money (I'm a relatively poor player normally) on something only to have it overwritten by someone else with something of lesser quality. And it really feels just very very very VERY wrong to be asking ppl to "hey, can you take your buff down?" but I'm not completely sure really what's better for the mt grp: smallish regenning ward or a little over 200 mitigation..  I hope I was right in assuming that the mit would be the better thing =/</p><p> </p><p>On a sidenote: having 7.2k power on a raid is just like O_O wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! <3 you mystical type peoples <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Shagg]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Dragonrealms wrote:<div></div><p>I would very much like to see this fixed as well.. I just bought my m1 mit buff for 11.5p and did my first raids with it tonight; can't express how grating it is to spend that much money (I'm a relatively poor player normally) on something only to have it overwritten by someone else with something of lesser quality. And it really feels just very very very VERY wrong to be asking ppl to "hey, can you take your buff down?" but I'm not completely sure really what's better for the mt grp: smallish regenning ward or a little over 200 mitigation..  I hope I was right in assuming that the mit would be the better thing =/</p><p> </p><p>On a sidenote: having 7.2k power on a raid is just like O_O wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! <3 you mystical type peoples <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>I think in general it would make sense that the higher quality priest buff spell should be cast. They all have the same mitigation value at the same level of quality the only difference is the secondary affects. At least thats the way it was in T6. <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=89606">BUFF CHART</a>Curious about the Templar version having more mitigation, I didn't think this was the case. But our Templar quit back before DoF <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[Banditman]

Before T7 rolled around, all of them were equal.  At Master 1, the mitigation provided would be the same regardless of what Priest was holding this buff.I do think this buff is bugged now.I have Master 1 Runic Talisman, and was in a group with another Priest who had Adept 1 (might have been Ad 3) of the T7 mitigation buff.  My buff took precedence over his, presumeably because it was Master 1.  It actually lowered the AC of the tank.<div></div>

[Shagg]

Interesting. I had Talisman at master which is 564 mit, 87 ward IIRC but now I have Runic Aegis at Ad3 which is 641 mit, 105 ward. What are the values of the "other Priest" spell when you are seeing the mystic version downgrade mitigation?What do we think the problem is...1. Runic Aegis is not providing the mitigation it indicates in its spell description2. Lower mitigation on Runic Aegis when compared to other priest buffs of the same spell quality3. M1 Runic Talisman overwriting more powerful higher tier priest buffsI'll try to remember to check this out tonight.<div></div>

[Banditman]

Other Priests are exactly the same.  Always have been.  The only difference is the secondary components.  The problem resides in the Tiering I believe.<div></div>

[Jora']

<div>Bugged or not, the runic line is rather pointless to use in raids. Its useless</div>

[thedu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jora' wrote:<div>Bugged or not, the runic line is rather pointless to use in raids. Its useless</div><hr></blockquote>What is your proof? If you could prove this then it could be added to one of the lists to be fixed or modified.

[Jora']

<div>I am not saying it is bugged.   The OP however, did day it was bugged</div>

[Banditman]

What dump is saying is that you've made a blanket statement of fact with no supporting evidence or even arguement.I say Runic Talisman is useful on raids.  By your logic, I need to say nothing more to prove my point so I'll consider it fact and your point refuted.<div></div>

[Jora']

<div>Apologies thedump, I misinterpreted the previous message posted by you.</div><div> </div><div>Each has his / her own play style and will find one spell more useful than the other in a given situation. For me, I justfind an extra foretelling much more useful on a raid instead of the runic buff.   I am sure you  disagree, but i respect that.</div><div> </div><div>For instance, given that in your MT group, you have perhaps a Zerker and a Pally in the mt grp  due to the encounter your about to face. The Pally has been asked to stay inside the mob's ae as the mob aggro wipes and a tank needs to be there to pull aggro after the wipe (You know this if you faced the toughest mobs in DoF). Now my question. Would you rather have runic talisman up, for only a tiny regenerating ward, or would you have Foretelling on the Pally so when he gets aggro, he has an extra 600 thereabouts hp to take both ae and any hits.. i know which one i'd choose.  This isonly one specific scenario, but in all of them I can find a very good excuse to use foretelling over the Runic line.</div><div> </div><div>But each to there own. If you find the Runic line useful to you in some way, then thats awesome. It would be very boring if we all played the same way</div><div> </div><div>If u'd like more examples of how I feel foretelling has an advantage over runic talisman, lemme know and I'll be happy to provide them</div><div> </div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Banditman]

What would make MORE sense is to create a second MT group if you want to do it that way.Form your normal MT group.Form up a second "MT" group.  Buff up that "MT" as much as possible.  Have him stand in the AE to grab aggro on wipe, have all healers but one target the mob for healing purposes.  This "second MT" should be able to stand up long enough for the true MT to regain aggro.  Have one healer in the second MT group target the second MT to keep him up thru AE's.This makes a lot more sense to me.You aren't talking about Runic Talisman here, you are talking about a VERY specific circumstance that might even have better solutions than the one you came up with.<div></div>

[paisan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:What would make MORE sense is to create a second MT group if you want to do it that way.<hr></blockquote><p>Exactly.</p><p>Our mitigation buffs are by far the most important of our concentrations. Taking one off for an extra fortelling would not only lose the regen ward but what happens if the only healer with the mitigation on dies?</p>

[Jora']

<div></div><div>Thanks guys for the advice Banditman and Paison, I'll take it on baord and start have a play with runic line</div><div> </div><div>When one goes through DoF, beats every instance repeatedly except Prism as the only Shammie on raids, and never using runic line at all, it is easy for me to be complacent and be dismiss the runic line's usefull ness.</div><div> </div><div>I would be foolish to totally ignore its value.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks and appreciated again</div>