Tank hit through ward?

[Jacouni]

<div>Its been awhile since I have been xping in groups, so maybe I missed something that changed.  Anyways, last night in Sanctum of Scaleborn we were running though killing mobs.  I warded my MT, 61 guardian as he pulls a group of 3 mobs.  Next thing I know hes down to 1/2 life, and the Ward was still active!!  After scrambling to heal him up I asked him and sure enough he told me the ward icon was still on him and it was absorbing damage!</div><div> </div><div>So, is there a hole where certain type of damage can get though a ward?  Or maybe its just bugginess because of the 100 people in zone?  I considered lag, but he told me the ward was still working on him.  Or maybe its been like this a while and I never noticed because most the time I am raiding and dont notice it.  Anyone have any thoughts or seem something similar?</div><div> </div><div>Thanks</div><div>Lethe</div><div>61 Mystic</div><div>Crimson Stalkers</div>

[Banditman]

I notice you said "as he pulled".  This leads me to believe that your Ward landed after the blows had been struck.If you PRE Ward, you won't have THAT problem, but you'll have an entirely new set of problems.<div></div>

[non-post]

I noticed the same thing a while back. What my MA and I figured out is he had a buff on me that ment he took some of my damage, and that damage was being applied as if the ward did not exist. Sometimes it was debuff/dot damage, most of the time it was melee damage. One time he got into the red, and the ward expired and healed him for almost the full amount.Guess it's working as intended. We have learned to adapt to it, still sucks.<div></div>

[GidionSWE]

<div>im guessing he ran away out of the 20m range thats on ure group ward...it checks that range when its being cast doesnt help if he runs back and stands on ure head</div>

[KamidariTuibumbi]

I apologize in advance for the giant log that's incoming...  don't want to edit it, lest I take out something important...  Kaswa is my mystic, and this log shows her casting a group ward, it saying it lands on Amary (one of the gorup members), and Amary taking damage well before the message showing the ward wearing off.  I'd be curious to see if anyone can explain why she took the damage she did.  Oh, and I have no idea what that hit on unknown for 46001 is. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />(1140845572)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:52 2006] Kaswa prepares an ancient ritual of warding.(1140845574)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:54 2006] aNPC 1041308 Altairenanhk the Riddler:Altairenanhk the Riddler/a says to you,"What animal begins on four feet, then walks on two feet, and finally walks on three feet?"(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Kaswa's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Nicia envelops your group with a protective umbral shroud!<b>(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Amary's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!</b>(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Loendar's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Guralo's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Superairhead's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!(1140845579)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:59 2006] You no longer are being shielded.(1140845579)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:59 2006] You say to Altairenanhk the Riddler,"man"(1140845579)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:59 2006] Success is rewarded.(1140845579)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:59 2006] Amary hits Unknown for 46001 points of pain and suffering damage.<b>(1140845580)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:00 2006] Altairenanhk hits Amary for 1584 points of crushing damage.</b>(1140845580)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:00 2006] Amary's Sanguine Feedback hits Altairenanhk for 226 points of heat damage.(1140845581)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:01 2006] Altairenanhk tries to crush Amary, but misses.<b>(1140845583)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:03 2006] Altairenanhk hits Amary for 1062 points of crushing damage.</b>(1140845583)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:03 2006] Superairhead's Thunderous Attack hits Altairenanhk for 396 points of cold damage.(1140845584)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:04 2006] YOU try to confound Altairenanhk with Insidious Promise, but Altairenanhk resists.(1140845584)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:04 2006] An elemental mist begins to grow at Amary's feet!(1140845584)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:04 2006] Superairhead hits Altairenanhk for 444 points of piercing damage.(1140845584)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:04 2006] Superairhead's Unholy Strike hits Altairenanhk for 123 points of divine damage.(1140845584)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:04 2006] Altairenanhk is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845584)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:04 2006] Superairhead is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] Altairenanhk begins a fiery arcane spell.(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] Guralo's Triple Arrow hits Altairenanhk for 250 points of piercing damage.(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] Guralo's Triple Arrow hits Altairenanhk for 370 points of piercing damage.(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] Guralo's Triple Arrow hits Altairenanhk for 528 points of piercing damage.(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] The four elements converge upon Loendar!(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] You start fighting.(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] Guralo hits Altairenanhk for 271 points of piercing damage.(1140845585)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:05 2006] Guralo's Quick Shot hits Altairenanhk for 438 points of piercing damage.(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] Superairhead hits Altairenanhk for 267 points of piercing damage.(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] Superairhead's Unholy Strike hits Altairenanhk for 185 points of divine damage.(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] Altairenanhk is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] Superairhead is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] YOUR Catastrophic Slam hits Altairenanhk for 132 points of disease damage.(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] Altairenanhk was interrupted!(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] Altairenanhk becomes infuriated as they are struck with a destructive slam.(1140845586)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:06 2006] YOU hit Altairenanhk for 160 points of slashing damage.(1140845587)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:07 2006] Amary tries to zap Altairenanhk with Calcify, but Altairenanhk resists.(1140845587)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:07 2006] Superairhead tries to pierce Altairenanhk, but misses.(1140845587)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:07 2006] Amary begins to summon earthy elemental energy.(1140845587)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:07 2006] Amary is shielded by Stoneskin!(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] YOU hit Altairenanhk for 180 points of slashing damage.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] YOUR Unholy Strike hits Altairenanhk for 135 points of divine damage.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] Altairenanhk is struck with a holy weapon!(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] YOUR Unholy Strike heals YOURSELF for 66 hit points.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] You are struck with a holy weapon!(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] Kaswa begins to call upon the spirits of protection.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] Amary's skin begins to glow with eidolic wards.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] Guralo's Culling the Weak hits Altairenanhk for 1514 points of piercing damage.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] Guralo's Seed of Fire hits Altairenanhk for 33 points of heat damage.(114084558<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:08 2006] An impairment spell is cast on Altairenanhk.(1140845589)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:09 2006] Loendar's Ice Comet hits Altairenanhk for 5552 points of cold damage.(1140845589)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:09 2006] Altairenanhk is struck down by an ice comet!(1140845589)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:09 2006] Kaswa prepares a learned ancient ritual.(1140845589)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:09 2006] YOU hit Altairenanhk for 131 points of slashing damage.(1140845589)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:09 2006] YOUR Flametongue hits Altairenanhk for 31 points of heat damage.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Superairhead's Furystorm hits Altairenanhk for 505 points of cold damage.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Superairhead's Furystorm hits Altairenanhk for 465 points of cold damage.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Superairhead's Furystorm hits Altairenanhk for 526 points of cold damage.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Superairhead's Furystorm hits Altairenanhk for 366 points of cold damage.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Altairenanhk is no longer stunned.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Superairhead hits Altairenanhk for 207 points of piercing damage.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Amary tries to burn Altairenanhk with Exposed Elements, but Altairenanhk resists.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] Arcane forces begin to coruscate around Loendar.(1140845590)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:10 2006] YOUR Flametongue hits Altairenanhk for 35 points of heat damage.(1140845591)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:11 2006] YOU hit Altairenanhk for 170 points of slashing damage.(1140845591)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:11 2006] Guralo's Amazing Shot hits Altairenanhk for 795 points of piercing damage.(1140845591)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:11 2006] YOUR Flametongue hits Altairenanhk for 35 points of heat damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Altairenanhk hits Amary but fail to inflict any damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Altairenanhk are antagonized by the insidious whispers in their ear.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Guralo hits Altairenanhk for 212 points of piercing damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Guralo's Seed of Fire hits Altairenanhk for 33 points of heat damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] An impairment spell is cast on Altairenanhk.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Guralo's Quick Shot hits Altairenanhk for 438 points of piercing damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Guralo's Seed of Fire hits Altairenanhk for 38 points of heat damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] An impairment spell is cast on Altairenanhk.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Guralo's Unholy Strike hits Altairenanhk for 102 points of divine damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Altairenanhk is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Guralo is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Superairhead hits Altairenanhk for 234 points of piercing damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Altairenanhk is exposed to the elements!(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Kaswa's Learned Healing heals Amary for 1377 hit points.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Amary is briefly touched by a soft golden light.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] YOUR Flametongue hits Altairenanhk for 31 points of heat damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Amary summons frigid winds!(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Amary's Frigid Winds hits Altairenanhk for 137 points of cold damage.(1140845592)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:12 2006] Altairenanhk is engulfed by frigid winds!(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] YOUR Soulrend hits Altairenanhk for 188 points of piercing damage.(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] YOUR Unholy Strike hits Altairenanhk for 190 points of divine damage.(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] Altairenanhk is struck with a holy weapon!(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] YOUR Unholy Strike heals YOURSELF for 3 hit points.(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] You are struck with a holy weapon!(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] YOUR Flametongue hits Altairenanhk for 34 points of heat damage.(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] Altairenanhk is dazed as part of their soul is knocked from them.(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] Loendar's Ball of Incineration hits Altairenanhk for 1364 points of heat damage.(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] Altairenanhk writhes in agony as the fireball sears Its flesh!(1140845593)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:13 2006] YOU try to slash Altairenanhk, but miss.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] YOUR Flametongue hits Altairenanhk for 34 points of heat damage.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Superairhead's Wisp Blade hits Altairenanhk for 587 points of cold damage.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Guralo's Blooming Flames hits Altairenanhk for 151 points of heat damage.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] aNPC 902161 Ishara, Caliph of Truth:Ishara, Caliph of Truth/a says, "Your assistance will be remembered."(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Altairenanhk is no longer harried by frigid winds.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Altairenanhk is no longer exposed to the elements.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Altairenanhk calms their anger.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Altairenanhk calms themselves.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] Guralo has killed Altairenanhk.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] You stop fighting.(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] You gain experience!(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] You gain bonus experience for defeating the encounter!(1140845594)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:14 2006] aNPC 902161 Ishara, Caliph of Truth:Ishara, Caliph of Truth/a says, "Your assistance will be remembered."(1140845595)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:15 2006] There is no eligible target for this spell.(1140845596)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:16 2006] Your share of 29 Silver, 81 Copper from the corpse of Altairenanhk is 5 Silver, 96 Copper.(1140845602)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:22 2006] Guralo disarms the trap on the treasure chest of Altairenanhk.(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Loendar's group dissipates.(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Guralo's group dissipates.(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Kaswa's group dissipates.<b>(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Amary's group dissipates.</b>(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] Your umbral shroud dissipates.(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Superairhead's group dissipates.(1140845607)[Fri Feb 24 22:33:27 2006] The umbral shroud surrounding Gargy's group dissipates.(114084561<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:38 2006] Kaswa's Eidolic Ward heals Amary for 499 hit points.(114084561<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Fri Feb 24 22:33:38 2006] Amary's wards begin to fade.<div></div>

[Aringt]

<div></div>You are correct. There is a bug with the group ward. I posted it ingame today. I can't believe more people aren't seeing this. I had a Paladin die once because of it. I've died twice solo because of it. You cast the ward and the monster hit you as if there is no ward on. It is easy to replicate. If fact until it is fixed I think I'm going to play a cleric.

[TangBaBa]

<div></div>Is this affecting all level group wards?

[thedu]

I would think so...<div></div>

[NimSul]

<div>2 idears</div><div> </div><div>There has been a bug with the defiler group ward for some time now where if you cast a new one while the old one is up the new one doesnt do anything. Maybe the mystic ward is the same? and tank had a group ward on him from the last fight in the new fight.</div><div> </div><div>Not sure but if the ward is centered on the shammy then you can cast it, tank can run out of it, get hit, and come back and it will ward him. Slack that i havnt tested this yet really :smileysad: someone have?</div>

[ko41485]

<div>I always thought the ward only absorbed physical blows and spells but poison, mental, elemental, and trauma DPS always got through.  Am I wrong?</div>

[Birn]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>ko41485 wrote:<div>I always thought the ward only absorbed physical blows and spells but poison, mental, elemental, and trauma DPS always got through.  Am I wrong?</div><hr></blockquote>Not really sure but there.. But it Must be an increase of trauma, poison etc etc since LU19/20. I keep smashing those cures more and more it seems. It's not really uncommon to see 5-6 trauma and a few poison dots on you when fighting a group of mobs and my resists have only got better..</span></div>

[SweetSyc]

<div></div><p>I have noticed this issue as well, although I haven't been able to figure out why it's happening yet. Some damage has always occassionally "leaked" past my wards, usually when there is a spell effect up on the tank. But the issue I have noticed has been with group ward, when I surely have been standing in range of my group and the ward is active while group members are taking damage.</p><p>Maybe I will see if this is the same issue with the Defiler group ward.</p>

[Banditman]

The only explanation I can possibly come up with is a pre-existing trauma effect, but a trauma effect in that instance should not hit anywhere NEAR what those crushes are for.This needs to go on the bugged list.<div></div>

[tebion]

dot damage was not warded before LU 13, but with LU 13 the wards shield dot damage, too ... at least they did some time ago for me<div></div>

[Banditman]

Any DoT's that exist on a target BEFORE a Ward is placed will STILL damage the target's true HP.A DoT cast AFTER a Ward is placed will be absorbed by the Ward until the Ward expires or is replaced.<div></div>

[tebion]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Any DoT's that exist on a target BEFORE a Ward is placed will STILL damage the target's true HP.A DoT cast AFTER a Ward is placed will be absorbed by the Ward until the Ward expires or is replaced.<div></div><hr></blockquote>yup, that's what i wanted to say, but forgot to express the "before" part, too, sorry.</span></div>

[Jora']

wards should be, as the spell description states, warding against all types of damage, and imo that would include dots that are cast prior to the ward taking effect.<p>Message Edited by Jora' on <span class="date_text">03-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:36 AM</span></p>

[Banditman]

Regardless of your opinion, this is how things actually work.It can even make sense.A Ward is something cast over the target, existing between the target and the attacker.  Anything coming from the attacker must first pass the Ward before damaging the target.However, something that exists before the Ward lands is already "below" the Ward and therefore will damage the target.If you look at Wards like a second skin then you will have an easier time understanding how they work.Use your cures, especially Ancient Balm.<div></div>

[Jora']

If this is the case, then the descriptin for wards needs to be updated. It implies completely the opposite to the above post.This was NOT occuring before, but it certainly makes our jobs harder

[Feanor Baugl]

<div></div><div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Regardless of your opinion, this is how things actually work.It can even make sense.A Ward is something cast over the target, existing between the target and the attacker.  Anything coming from the attacker must first pass the Ward before damaging the target.<font color="#6633cc">However, something that exists before the Ward lands is already "below" the Ward and therefore will damage the target.</font>If you look at Wards like a second skin then you will have an easier time understanding how they work.Use your cures, especially Ancient Balm.<hr></blockquote>If that's the case then Mystics group ward work differently then Defilers, and u should get it fixed. Defilers wards protect from any dmg regardless if it was cast before or after the dmg spell landed.As Nimsul said, if Defiler lands a group ward before his or any other Defiler or Mystic group ward has expired it'll overwrite the old one and cancel itself. U'll still have the icon up, u'll still get the msg saying the ward landed and u'll still get the msg that the ward expired it just don't ward anything.</span><span>and as far as I know wards check for dmg dealt not when the spell was casted so if u have a injury or dot and cast ward, as soon as its up it'll ward the dmg. Then if u want u cure the injuries so it doesnt slowly eat up the ward.</span><span>EDIT:<blockquote><hr><font color="#ffffff"><a target="_blank" href="../view_profile?user.id=91810"></a></font>KamidariTuibumbi wrote:(1140845577)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:57 2006] Superairhead's group is enveloped by a protective umbral shroud!(1140845579)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:59 2006] <font color="#6633ff">You no longer are being shielded.</font>(1140845579)[Fri Feb 24 22:32:59 2006] You say to Altairenanhk the Riddler,"man"<hr></blockquote></span><span>Question: refers to what?</span><span class="time_text"></span></div><p>Message Edited by Feanor Bauglir on <span class="date_text">03-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:22 PM</span></p>

[Moonspinn]

<div></div><div>I noticed this happening as well, but only a few times. One time in particular the tank was losing health when both group and single target wards were up. The tank had no ailments to cure. When I mentioned it he said it might be because th warlock in the group had gotten aggro and he had taken a % of the damage done to the warlock. Noticed it happening a couple of other times but not enough to really tell if it coincides with the person the tank has this ability on getting damaged.</div><p>Message Edited by Moonspinner on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:55 PM</span></p>

[KamidariTuibumbi]

The 'You no longer are being shielded' message was my reactive lifetap spell (Heinous Blessing) wearing off.<div></div>

[Sokolov]

<div><span>I've had cases where I seem to get a "dud" of a ward.  Unfortunately, things usually get hectic when you basically lose 2k of healing so I never have time to analyze what exactly happened.</span></div>

[Sasari_h]

From what I've seen it is a bug with multiple mob encounters, or when more than 1 mob is attacking the warded player.<div></div>