priest godking weapon on test not procing for wards...

[bouhh]

<div>hi all, hope this isn't x-posting or anything but i thought we should all be awares if you aren't already...</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://www.solisearch.net/ims/pic.php?u=44598f2SY&i=264669"></div><div> </div><div>that's the new priest godking weapon on test. it is very nice. however, someone on test (ixnay) stated that:</div><div> </div><div>'I've tested the upgraded item extensively in game, and can say for sure that no, it doesn't proc from wards, only heals.'</div><div> </div><div>the proc does not go off when casting wards, reactives or regens...only direct heals. myself and some others posted:</div><div> </div><div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60528" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=60528</a></div><div> </div><div>to try and get a developer response on whether this weapon is intended to proc upon casting wards as well as direct</div><div>heals. there has been no official response. i am curious...do you, as a shaman, believe that it should only proc upon</div><div>casting a direct heal? or that it should proc when casting a ward, reactive or regen as well?</div><div> </div><div>this is honestly not a loaded question, i really am curious to hear what the intelligent and civil members of our small</div><div>and humble community believe...thanks.</div><div> </div><div><img alt="Your Signature" src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/2560.png"></div>

[Thatdumbg]

<div></div>   Wards aren't heals... I'm fine with it not proccing on them.I'd say that it is intented as a raid utility proc (due to the raiding it takes to actually receive the weapon), and it makes perfect sense for it to only work on heals. Due to stacking issues, only so many priests can be casting a specialty heal at the same time; and if you make it work on specialites you have to lower the amount it heals for to balance. This ultimately leads to only certain roles in raids really getting great effect out of it.If they keep it like this, everyone benefits, as even those who are assigned to use specialties can see benefit; as a general rule in most raiding, everyone has to use directs.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thatdumbguy on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:58 AM</span></p>

[Banditman]

If it doesn't proc on Wards then it should not proc on Reactives or Regens either.  Seems simple enough.<div></div>

[thedu]

I'm confused...does this mean that the Hammer is no longe an option or that after a LU it gets turned into this scepter?<div></div>

[Mor]

My understanding is that it will only proc on direct heals.<div></div>

[Nacire]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Thatdumbguy wrote:<div></div>   Wards aren't heals... I'm fine with it not proccing on them.I'd say that it is intented as a raid utility proc (due to the raiding it takes to actually receive the weapon), and it makes perfect sense for it to only work on heals. Due to stacking issues, only so many priests can be casting a specialty heal at the same time; and if you make it work on specialites you have to lower the amount it heals for to balance. This ultimately leads to only certain roles in raids really getting great effect out of it.If they keep it like this, everyone benefits, as even those who are assigned to use specialties can see benefit; as a general rule in most raiding, everyone has to use directs.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thatdumbguy on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Ok I had my smartalec answer all ready to type out and decided to check your guild page first, and managed to save myself the taste of foot...  Good thing since mine aren't all that tastey.  LOL</p><p>Well your guild is a bit further than mine raid wise, we're only really starting on 3rd floor of PP: TR, not done with last court in Gates, but have finished Courts.  And as the mystic that is ALWAYS in the MT grp for every fight, I have gone over a week without casting ONE direct heal.  Once I'm thinking about casting a direct it's really time for someone to /yell and everyone hit the naked buttons.  If this thing truely only is meant to proc on directs I'll take the loss of wis and just get the mage wand for some slight extra dps, it really does NOTHING for 90% of mystics out there if it doesn't work on secondary heals in general.</p>

[Mystiq]

<div>I am not happy about the proc not working on wards either, but neither does it work on reactives nor regens (the ones in the same category as other "special" heals). It only procs on direct heals, including group heal, for everyone. The only exception I'm aware of so far is the Convert spell that Inquisitors have. It seems to proc like mad when this spell procs, due to the small heal I guess.</div><div> </div><div>The reason it does not proc on priest special heals is because they are not classified as "heals", but rather beneficial spells, like buffs. It's just the way the coding is I suppose.  If the devs were to change this to proc on wards, then it would also proc any time u cast any buff, and I don't think that is a prudent decision. Now, I think it'd be swell if they decided to go thru every priest's spells and make all of the wards, reactives and regens work for this proc as well, I just don't see it happening heh.</div>

[NimSul]

<div></div><p>Wanted to see what mystics thought of this here quote, its from a defiler that talked to a dev about the proc on peacock weapons:</p><p>"As also confirmed to me by the dev, the healing proc will likely be most useful to Fury's who heal, because they have the most direct healing spells, and to clerics, who cast more heals than shaman based on the differences between our classes.  But for this same reason, he also gave us two additional options - the mage weapon, and the halberd."</p><p>They are aware that the weapon is less usefull for a shaman and "fixes" this by giving us the choice of getting a dps weapon in stead...</p>

[Banditman]

Mystique - I wonder if it would proc for something like Glory of Combat, Mark of Kings or Atoning Fate line?  Those are "heals" and something like Mark of Kings would be just INSANE with all the little heal ticks.<div></div>

[Thatdumbg]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Nacireen wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Thatdumbguy wrote:<div></div>   Wards aren't heals... I'm fine with it not proccing on them.I'd say that it is intented as a raid utility proc (due to the raiding it takes to actually receive the weapon), and it makes perfect sense for it to only work on heals. Due to stacking issues, only so many priests can be casting a specialty heal at the same time; and if you make it work on specialites you have to lower the amount it heals for to balance. This ultimately leads to only certain roles in raids really getting great effect out of it.If they keep it like this, everyone benefits, as even those who are assigned to use specialties can see benefit; as a general rule in most raiding, everyone has to use directs.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thatdumbguy on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Ok I had my smartalec answer all ready to type out and decided to check your guild page first, and managed to save myself the taste of foot...  Good thing since mine aren't all that tastey.  LOL</p><p>Well your guild is a bit further than mine raid wise, we're only really starting on 3rd floor of PP: TR, not done with last court in Gates, but have finished Courts.  And as the mystic that is ALWAYS in the MT grp for every fight, I have gone over a week without casting ONE direct heal.  Once I'm thinking about casting a direct it's really time for someone to /yell and everyone hit the naked buttons.  If this thing truely only is meant to proc on directs I'll take the loss of wis and just get the mage wand for some slight extra dps, it really does NOTHING for 90% of mystics out there if it doesn't work on secondary heals in general.</p><hr></blockquote>I'm not trying to flame, start crap, or anything... but I would have to wonder if your guild is selling your raidforce short if the content is so trivial that you don't have to direct heal. I don't use Learned Healing alot (due to having ward timers back up, torpor, etc), but I do use Rejuv Rite quite abit (in the MT group). I'm assuming there is a vast difference in our raid makeup. I'm highly curious. If your interested in chatting about it, send a tell to antonia.ulfgar sometime.Honestly I'm just happy the thing is getting upgraded at all.</span></div>

[Mystiq]

<div></div>I suppose it might proc off of those spells, I'm not sure. I wonder if it would proc off of the expired ward heal at least....as often as a ward actually expires :smileyindifferent:

[icetower]

<div></div><p>I can see in its current state this proc is going to favour some priests far more than others. Why not just make it have a smaller % chance to proc, but make any non buff spell able to trigger it.</p><p>If wards do not proc it, it's very low value to me.</p><p>ps. my wards never expire on raids so no chance of healing there.</p><p>Only hope I see is if torpor makes it proc.</p><p> </p>

[Arfiniel]

<div></div><div></div><div>One of the templars in my guild and I were testing these out.  He said his proc'd when he cast one of his reactives, but not for any of the subsequent ticks.  That does seem unfair on the surface because mine never proc'd on casting a ward, but *maybe* it will proc upon expiration of our ward (which as stated above, we all know how often that happens).</div><div> </div><div>Yesterday I am quite certain that it did proc when I cast Torpor, but only when I casted it, not for any of the heal ticks.  So, maybe that does even things up a bit.  I will test it more, as I was not actually doing testing when I cast Torpor, rather I was trying to keep my tank alive LOL, who knows it could have been any number of things (maybe it was some other priest's proc going off, maybe it was an expiring ward, etc etc).  Unfortunately I didn't look at my logs so I'll have to test that out today.  It seemed that it was at least proc'ing more often yesterday than it was the day the update came out.  We all bugged it that day, because it certainly wasn't proc'ing with a 10 percent chance.  Now, at least, it does.</div><div> </div><div>EDIT: well never mind, looks like it's been nerfed down to 5 pct and single target only heal that works with all beneficial spells rather than entire group heal when a heal is cast. </div><div> </div><div>EDIT:  I just got healed by an artichoke woot!  LOL it proc'd while I was gathering from a shrubbery.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:46 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:53 AM</span></p>

[icetower]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Arfiniel wrote:<div></div><div></div><div> </div><div>EDIT: well never mind, looks like it's been nerfed down to 5 pct and single target only heal that works with all beneficial spells rather than entire group heal when a heal is cast. </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Sounds fair to me.

[ModPlod]

<div></div><p>Well the Inqui and Temps in my guild seem happy with it and they see it proc a lot for them when they heal.</p><p>As only healer in Poets the other day I was doing a lot of healing.  Must have proc'd twice in the whole time we were there.</p><p>Maybe I was unlucky with the % and yes i was warding so less healing than some other classes may have done.  Just seems it never wants to proc with me.</p><p> </p><p>Still to be honest on Pedastel of sky or PPtR I use my prismatic 1 now for the extra odination to help stack up on teh other gear with + oridantion i got.  Seems to help land debuffs on orange con mobs better.</p>

[Dragonreal]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Arfiniel wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>EDIT: well never mind, looks like it's been nerfed down to 5 pct and single target only heal that works with all beneficial spells rather than entire group heal when a heal is cast. </div><div> </div><div>EDIT:  I just got healed by an artichoke woot!  LOL it proc'd while I was gathering from a shrubbery.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:46 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class="date_text">02-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:53 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Just think of the change like this: 10% to proc on heals only.. how many actual heals do mystics have? 3 right? 2 single target directs and 1 group direct. 5% to proc on every beneficial spell.. how many beneficial spells do you have? ST ward, grp ward, torpor, badger (not totally sure if badger would proc it or not but I'd certainly consider it a beneficial spell), 3 direct heals, 6 cures, oberon, 2 emergency wards... There's a ton more chances for you to proc it now than there was before. And the reason it wasn't proccing on reactive/torpor ticks (and probably why it won't proc on ward expiration heals) is because the spell proc says when you CAST a beneficial spell blah blah blah. When those heals tick, you're not casting them, they're proccing; and you really shouldn't be wanting them to go off on ticks because then think how overpowered furies and especially wardens would be with regens as their specialty heals (wardens actually would be insane if it procced off heal ticks because every single heal wardens get has a regen component to it).

[Mystiq]

<div>If anyone has noticed the change on this proc to be better than what it was before, I'd like to hear it. The difference between a supposed 10% chance proc and a 5% chance proc seems vast. And despite having around 5x more spells capable of procing this heal, from what I've seen it actually procs less than it did before. It also seems more unreliable and a little cooky. Procing no harvests? I've had it go off right after I zoned before.</div><div> </div><div>I understand why people weren't happy with this proc before, and the desire to have it go off when using wards and other priest specials, but I'm not sure that it's better now. Much like some feel that the Righteous Hammer/Scepter looked better as a mace (its first updated incarnation) than as a.....oversized, gilded lolly pop (the way it looks now), I think the devs were too quick to mess with this weapon.</div><div> </div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mystique wrote:<div> </div><div>I understand why people weren't happy with this proc before, and the desire to have it go off when using wards and other priest specials, but I'm not sure that it's better now. Much like some feel that the Righteous Hammer/Scepter looked better as a mace (its first updated incarnation) than as a.....oversized, gilded lolly pop (the way it looks now), I think the devs were too quick to mess with this weapon.</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><div>yeah too many changes in so little time.</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6554/emanji015xy.jpg"></div>

[Dragonreal]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mystique wrote:<div>If anyone has noticed the change on this proc to be better than what it was before, I'd like to hear it. The difference between a supposed 10% chance proc and a 5% chance proc seems vast. And despite having around 5x more spells capable of procing this heal, from what I've seen it actually procs less than it did before. It also seems more unreliable and a little cooky. Procing no harvests? I've had it go off right after I zoned before.</div><div> </div><div>I understand why people weren't happy with this proc before, and the desire to have it go off when using wards and other priest specials, but I'm not sure that it's better now. Much like some feel that the Righteous Hammer/Scepter looked better as a mace (its first updated incarnation) than as a.....oversized, gilded lolly pop (the way it looks now), I think the devs were too quick to mess with this weapon.</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>hehe I should be more clear I guess with what I mean.. I was tlaking in theory (didn't have my priest one when I made that post) but in THEORY it should have evened out. In reality, now that I have my weapon changed from mage to priest and have tried it out on a raid setting, yes there IS something messed up about it; we did PP:R tonight and I had a grand total of TWO procs the entire raid. And oddly enough both were when I cast my tree healing pet =/ I know why you're getting it when you zone (assuming this one post I read is true) it's cuz the game is counting you as casting all your buffs again after you zone (and if you have the right chat filter on you'll see all the messages you would normally get from casting all your buffs pop up, or you used to anyway if I remember right). So honestly I don't think judgement on its proc rate should be passed until there's some word about if the proc is even working correctly or not.