Do Slows stack?

[882]

<DIV>Do the slow effects of spells such as Grey Wind and Keeing Haze stack? I just hit LVL 24, and I have to choose a Master 2 for either Ursine Elder, Cold Fire, Keening Haze, or a Ward that is for a single person for like 400 hps. If I get the Keening Haze, that will provide a 20% slow. Would be nice if it stacked with the 33% slow from the Grey Wind. Any suggestions on which to pick? And do the slows stack? Thanks</DIV>

[Tauch]

<span><blockquote><hr>88210 wrote:<div>Do the slow effects of spells such as Grey Wind and Keeing Haze stack? I just hit LVL 24, and I have to choose a Master 2 for either Ursine Elder, Cold Fire, Keening Haze, or a Ward that is for a single person for like 400 hps. If I get the Keening Haze, that will provide a 20% slow. Would be nice if it stacked with the 33% slow from the Grey Wind. Any suggestions on which to pick? And do the slows stack? Thanks</div><hr></blockquote> The way I heard it is, the slow % of different lines will stack. For instance, Mystics get a group slow along(x Lethargy) with our single-target slow(x Haze). Those two slows will stack with each other, and along with, at least, the slow from the STR hex doll. Keep in mind that the slow only slows the target's Auto-attacks, and not its Combat-Art or Spell refresh timers. Oh, and Grey Wind is a *snare*, it's slows the target's movement rate, not the target's attack rate.</span><div></div>

[tebion]

only the highest slow (melee-slow, dont mix with runspeed slow) works, but the spells seem to stack as most have additional sideeffects which still work on the mob. but you cannot slow a mob more by adding a lower % slow on top of your highest % slow, definitely not. <div></div>

[Banditman]

Tebion is correct. Slows do not stack.  Period. Now, you CAN take a Slow and mix it with something like Mourning Soul or Umbral Trap to get a further decrease in mob DPS. And definitely don't confuse run speed with attack speed, which is what you've done.

[Moonspinn]

<P>I'm going to reply to this thread instead of adding another "stacking" question to the boards.</P> <P>My question has to do with raid buff stacking. I've always been under the impression that if two different classes cast a debuff that does the same thing, then the most powerful one will be the only one in effect (even though they both look like they stick). A friend thinks that they stack but there was a minimum level to which the mobs stats can be reduced (whether it be sta, str, resists, slow, dps etc). </P> <P>So if a mystic and a Swashbuckler both cast their 25% DPS reduction debuffs on a mob will they stack in any way? In the first scenario the mob would have 25% reduction. In the 2nd one it might be anything from 26% to 50% depending on the cut off. Has anyone parsed a situation similar to this or is there a useful thread anywhere discussing it?</P><p>Message Edited by Moonspinner on <span class=date_text>12-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:38 AM</span>

[Moonspinn]

<P>Me vs a plated digger in SS. 5 minutes each with no slow, keening haze (master 1) and Dreadful lethargy (group slow) adept 1.</P> <P>No slow-119 swings</P> <P>Keening haze- 93 swings (roughly 22% slower)</P> <P>Keening haze and dreadful lethargy- 75 swings (37% slower)</P> <P> </P>

[thedu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moonspinner wrote:<BR> <P>Me vs a plated digger in SS. 5 minutes each with no slow, keening haze (master 1) and Dreadful lethargy (group slow) adept 1.</P> <P>No slow-119 swings</P> <P>Keening haze- 93 swings (roughly 22% slower)</P> <P>Keening haze and dreadful lethargy- 75 swings (37% slower)</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>A level 24 slow worked on a level 46 mob? Really?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Moonspinn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> thedump wrote:<BR> <BR><BR> <DIV>A level 24 slow worked on a level 46 mob? Really?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yeah, sticks on every heroic and epic encounter that I've seen so far 99.5% of the time, which includes the mass of Tier 5 epic X4 encounters that my guild is doing (started doing these at level 45 and had no problems with this slow ever, now I"m level 57). I did go to Poets for the first time last night and got some resists though... My bad though it is the Master II version not a master I. I suppose I should start using the Tier 6 slow at some point lol. I've been doing under the assumption that I could save alot of power using the level 24 one, but don't think it's that much of a jump. Wonder if I'd get more resists with ad1 tier 6 vs master II level 24 lol. For any mystic with a long term strategy in mind keening haze is the master II I suggest...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After I did the slow test I did the chimerik/ancients test in a duel. The stamina debuff in those two also stacks in case anyone was curious.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Moonspinner on <span class=date_text>12-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:03 AM</span>

[Banditman]

You also need to consider the SPC difference between Keening and Weeping.

[Mystiq]

<P>I really wish we could put to bed the endless wondering about what atacks and what doesn't once and for all. A system needs to be devised by the devs that gives feedback to the player thru the UI or chat window that indicates if what you just cast is landing because its effects are all stacking with other effects already on the target, or if it's only partially effective.</P> <P>Is there a cap on how much you can slow the attack rate of a mob? I'm sure there is. Wish I knew if I was wasting my time maintaining haze and lethargy if the combined slow effects in place from other classes in the raid are already hitting the cap.</P> <P>Is there a cap on how much you can decrease the DPS of a mob? Well, of course there is. You can't bring a mob's damage potential down to zero that's for sure. With grieving soul adept3 and umbral trap adept3 that's a 45.5% DPS decrease on the target, if both stack (both do land), but do they really stack? I know defilers and a few other classes have a dps slow as well. Are we spinning our wheels here?</P> <P>Unless Banditman feels like running more of his classic tests to help anser some of these questions, I know we're not getting a difinitive answer here.</P>

[Banditman]

I cannot believe you went there.Data like that is not easy to come by.I'll see what I can do, but I don't want to promise anything.  I'm certainly not going to go through down tier spells as I formerly did.