What are the "ancient spells for shaman"?

[mystt]

<P>I am trying to get all my spells setup for my grind through the 50's.  I know the following spells are:</P> <P>1. TORPOR</P> <P>2. SLOTHFUL SPIRIT</P> <P>3. ....(don't know)</P> <P>I am not sure if there is a 4th...Can someone give me a listing?</P> <P>Also what are the spells that are POST 50 that are the "I cannot live without" spells.  I know that you can get the Adept 1 off the vendors, however I am thinking more along the line of upgrades and Adept 3 spells.  I am very unlucky when it comes to Vanadium or Pearl and I am not spending 3-4 plat per...So harvesting is going to be a long road.</P> <P> </P> <P>Mystt</P>

[Banditman]

Ancient Balm is the 3rd and final Ancient spell.  Cures everything.  Even stuff no one else can cure.

[mystt]

<P></P> <P>Bandit you have some pointers on this part of my question:</P> <P> </P> <P>Also what are the spells that are POST 50 that are the "I cannot live without" spells.  I know that you can get the Adept 1 off the vendors, however I am thinking more along the line of upgrades and Adept 3 spells.  I am very unlucky when it comes to Vanadium or Pearl and I am not spending 3-4 plat per...So harvesting is going to be a long road.</P> <P>Mystt</P><p>Message Edited by mystt on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:27 AM</span>

[Banditman]

I'm doing fine with Adept 1's at this point (L58 for me).  What do I use everyday?  Well, it's actually faster to list the spells I *don't* use. I do not use Harmonious Spirits or Umbral Savior every day.  They are pretty situational.  Useful when you need them, but not something I need on a day in day out basis. I do not use Umbral Sacrament every day.  I have Master 2 Umbral Ritual which will require an Adept 3 of Umbral Sacrament to improve upon. Prophet Aegis is VERY situational.  I have the Adept 1, but it's not something that will make or break you unless you are standing up against raid mobs every single day. I do not use Rejuvenating Rite every day.  I have Master 1 Rejuvenating Chant which is superior to Adept 1 Rejuvenating Rite.  This will be one of the last Adept 3's I get simply because the Master of RC is so good. What will I Adept 3 first?  Wow.  Where to start? Learned Healing definitely.  I took Master 2 Sacred Aegis. Torpor was only available as Adept 3 when I reached that point, so I have that already.  Slothful Spirit same deal.  Ancient Balm I have at Adept 1 and it is identical to the Adept 3. Probably Grieving Soul and Weeping Haze next. Transcendant Blessing. After that, a crapshoot really.

[mystt]

<P></P> <P>Seeing as Ancient Balm is an Ancient...Dont you need a Vanadium or Pearl to even make it?  Maybe I am lost, help me explain.</P> <P> </P> <P>Mystt</P>

[paisan]

You cannot buy an app2 or have an app3 or 4 made for it. Either wait and buy a Adept 1 or get a rareand make the adept 3 for it (both adept 3 and 1 are the same) <P></P>

[mystt]

<P></P> <P></P> <P>But I thought that the ancient spells had to be made into Adept 3.  And that the Ancient Scroll would drop but not an adept one of that spell.  IE.  Torpor, Slothful Spirit and Ancient Balm.</P> <P> </P> <P>Do Adept 1 versions of this spell drop?  Or just the scroll to make Adept 3?</P> <P> </P> <P>Confused?</P> <P>Mystt</P><p>Message Edited by mystt on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:58 PM</span>

[paisan]

The adept 1's are dropping now... they changed it a patch or 2 ago. <P></P>

[mystt]

<P></P> <P>Thank you very much</P> <P> </P> <P>Mystt</P>

[thedu]

<P></P> <P>Sony's spell list</P> <P> </P> <P><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=19" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=19</A></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Homj]

Debuffs adept 3 are only valuable when you raiding because of less resists rate. when you exping with group- often its waste of mana.when you soloing adept 3 debuffs wont save you. and if slows dont stack, then maybe Grieving Soul most valuable debuff upgrade.

[Nacire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Homjak wrote:<BR>Debuffs adept 3 are only valuable when you raiding because of less resists rate. when you exping with group- often its waste of mana.<BR>when you soloing adept 3 debuffs wont save you. and if slows dont stack, then maybe Grieving Soul most valuable debuff upgrade.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have to respectfully disagree here. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Debuffs at adept 3 can make a HUGE difference in soloing.  In groups not so much unless you are solo healer, which is now something I LOVE to be. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Cry spell is a MUST for upgrade, get it fast, steal it if you have to.  Solo it can not only drain more HP on the intial pull but it also makes ALL dots/nukes/procs hit harder (since the patch that made mobs no longer mitigate damage).</P> <P>Whatever single target stamina debuff you use is also a PRIME candidate for upgrade just as important in grp as it is solo.  In a solo situation it should the the spell right after cry to get in that extra drain and make your initial ward last longer on single mob pulls.  In a grp it's a nice long lasting and noticable dps drop on melee mobs due to the str debuff portion.</P> <P>All the others are very dependant on playstyle, but these 2 at least SHOULD be common casts for everyone and since the revamp they do improve significantly with the adept 3 upgrades. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Banditman]

You really have to consider STA debuffs as your best nukes.

[tebion]

<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:You really have to consider STA debuffs as your best nukes. <hr></blockquote>hehe, to me that sounds almost somewhat pervert, hehe, as much as it is true <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[vicario]

Your going to want to upgrade ancient balm to adept 3.  Why?  I'm currently lvl 59 and (not logged in to verify) but adept 1 dispels 64 levels of fun stuff.  So if the mob is level 64 there is a possibility (a big one) that the mob's spell is higher than level 64 making ancient balm useless. 

[vicario]

Almost forgot - I think adept 3 balm dispels 80+ levels.  Someone able to verify?  I'll upgrade it once i get my paws on a rare!

[paisan]

Ancient Balm is not upgradeable at all. Adept 3 is the same as adept1. 74 levels i think.

[Banditman]

Per <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=19&message.id=9164" target=_blank>this thread</a> there is no difference in Ancient Balm at all. If there is, I would certainly make it a priority upgrade.

[bouhh]

<P>simple mix up, i think...</P> <P><FONT color=#0033ff>gasping spirit</FONT> is lvl 56; ad III cures group for 87 lvls of disease, poison, divine mental and magic.</P> <P><FONT color=#0033ff>ancient balm</FONT> is lvl 58, not upgradeable, and cures single target of 64 lvls of cold, heat, mental,</P> <P>stun, poison, slashing, pacify, lutefisk, stifle, fear, magic, root, crushing, piercing, disease and divine.</P>

[Banditman]

I think Ancient Balm is probably bugged.  Wouldn't swear to it, but it's likely.  It appears to be keyed as an ability instead of a spell.  No matter what you scribe for Ancient Balm, the quality level goes away as soon as you do so.

[vicario]

<DIV>Balm same in adept 1 vs adept 3?  BAH!  Reminds me of our pre-combat patch underwater breathing/def buff - had the adept 1 and then got the master I - and no change! :smileymad:</DIV>

[Hadji]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bouhhan wrote:<BR> <P>simple mix up, i think...</P> <P><FONT color=#0033ff>gasping spirit</FONT> is lvl 56; ad III cures group for 87 lvls of disease, poison, divine mental and magic.</P> <P><FONT color=#0033ff>ancient balm</FONT> is lvl 58, not upgradeable, and cures single target of 64 lvls of cold, heat, mental,</P> <P>stun, poison, slashing, pacify, lutefisk, stifle, fear, magic, root, crushing, piercing, disease and divine.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Whew!  </P> <P>I can't wait for level 58 and some protection from lutefisk.  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] lye is giving me heartburn.</P> <P>Frellya</P> <P>53 Mystic - Neriak</P> <P><BR> </P> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>

[bouhh]

<P>:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P><IMG alt="Your Signature" src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/2560.png"></P><p>Message Edited by bouhhan on <span class=date_text>11-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:13 PM</span>