Darkkk's guide on adept3 upgrades - what is worth it and what is a waste.

[2of]

<DIV>I see a lot of questions on this board such as "what should I get upgraded to adept III" etc. etc... </DIV> <DIV>Having made a lot of adept IIIs on my server for myself, guildmates, and other mystic customers, I decided to take the time to share my findings. The upgrades I am going to show are what I have come across in my own experiences as both a Mystic and Sage. Hopefully I can save other mystics cash and stop the useless waste of other T5 rares =).</DIV> <DIV>(These pictures are for the most part dealing with tier 5 spells, levels 40-50, because they are the most expensive to upgrade at this present time. Most of these pictures are taken at adventure level 50, if not I will specify.)</DIV> <DIV>I'll break it down into five categories :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>BUFFS:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Avatar:</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/avatar.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Simply put, do NOT waste a rare on this. I have heard that Master I version increases the 3 stats by one, so if you're a freak about that kinda stuff, find the master.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Prophetic Shield</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/proph.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>This is a comparison of my scribed adept III versus the master for sale on my market. </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/proph.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>And here is a comparison of when I created the adept III when I was level 43 or 44. You can see the increase from adept I to adept III. Good use of a rare? You decide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ursine Prophet</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/prophet.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Spell comparison at level 50, not much of an increase anywhere except the melee damage. If ya got the raw to spare, go for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Runic Talisman</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/talisman.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Only increases are on physical mitigation and the two procs. My advice is not to upgrade this one for now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eidolic Mettle</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/mettle.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Shot taken at level 44 I believe. Since then it has grown better and I would recommend upgrading it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/spirit.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>*Giggle*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spirit of the Elephant </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/ele1.jpg"><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/ele2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>A waste until after level 50 most likely.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>DEBUFFS:</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Howling Haze</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/lame.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Would be super cool if not nerfed. The Master I version decreases attack speed by 30%. This spell does not get an upgrade before level 50, and can be upgraded with a T4 raw. They are cheap, go for it if you want.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chimerik</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/chim.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Complete waste. Do NOT upgrade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Howl of the Ancients</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/howl.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>This has got to be one of our most useful spell lines, and as such I have it upgraded. This is a level 50 shot, the most we're gonna get out of it right now. Do you want that extra 36 points debuffed? You decide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dreadful Lethargy </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/lethargy.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Not worth it now if you ask me. May improve after level 50. Or may not. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>HEALS</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/chant.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Upgrade. No questions asked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enlightened Healing</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/eh.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>*SHOT TAKEN AT LVL 49*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How I wish you could all have the Master I, the gap is freakin huge. I spot heal better than any other healer on my server thanks to this. I haven't run into any other healer with a master scribed on my server, if you're out there make me jealous and post a picture of your instant heal =P. Anyways, this is also a must to upgrade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/blessing.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Haven't upgraded transcendant blessing yet, that is next on my list. Master shot thanks to Tsark.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>NUKES</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Fury of the Ancients</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/fury.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Totally up to you if you want to be a mad nuker, go for the upgrade. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ire of the Grey</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/ire.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>As before, if you like your nukes then go for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Pox and Icy flames, yes upgrade those, they are Tier 4 and fairly cheap on my server. Those are also 2 spells that do not get an upgrade before level 50.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>WARDS</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>Ancestral Aegis</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/aegis.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Not sure what level this shot was taken at, but at level 50 the adept III does a total of 1293. Decision is up to you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Umbral Ritual</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/ritual.jpg"></DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/ritual2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Here is a comparison from adept I to III to master. Huge jump between all 3. I think the top shot is lvl 49 and bottom is level 50. Again, upgrade up to you. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oberon</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/oberon.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>I had a ruby to blow, decided to up this in case one day it becomes useful =P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And this concludes my guide, I will add more as I create more. I hope this helps many of you out in terms of making your decision and keeping more coin in your pocket.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>OK I'm pretty much done with the photos, any requests just let me know and I'll see what I can cook up on the engraved desk.</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by 2of12 on <span class=date_text>06-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:46 AM</span>

[OwennII]

Awesome Post, Darkkk. This is exactly what I was looking for about a week or so ago.  I ended up getting all 4 of our T5 group buffs made into Adept III as well as Rejuvenating Chant. Man, is Oberon the most worthless spell ever?! Congrats on the Enlightened Healing Master, that is a very sweet spell. Dreadful Lethargy, btw you left this one out, is for sale right now on the Fence for 16 plat.  It increases the group slow component to 23% which is an acceptable increase over 12%. Anyway, thanks again for the post!  If you keep it updated that would only be a bonus.  It would be great if someone could sticky this one to the top. <div></div>

[Loral]

<P>Awesome post. Alot of work put into it.</P> <P>Sadly, all of this info will become obsolete with the Combat Changes. For the time beiing, go for the heals and wards first, save the rares for after the changes I would say.</P>

[Banditman]

Master 1 Rejuvenating Chant heals for 662 every 6 seconds . . . which is actually superior to Enlightened Healing Master 1's overall HPS.  Yea, it rocks. There appears to be a HUGE gap between Adept 3 and Master 1 when it comes to heals. <div></div>

[Terq]

<P>Excellent post.  Thanks Darkkk.  </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Tothemoon]

Outstanding! A+ Thankya! :smileyhappy:

[Pocca]

A long time ago, a guildmate of mine won a Spiritual Healing Master 1 drop and gave it too me.  Interestingly, at mastery it heals for the identical amount that an Adept 3 Enlightened Healing does. Pocca <div></div>

[Banditman]

Now if they were just on separate timers.  :/ <div></div>

[2of]

Sorry that enlightened healing shot was at level 49, at 50 the master heals for 1127 and adept III does hmmm I dunno.

[Banditman]

Ad 3 is 955.  That one I am sure of.  I think the description may be off by a HP or two, but 955 is what floats up. <div></div>

[Mystiq]

<DIV>The definitive guide to high level spell upgrade viability! 5 stars for you Darkkk!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I suggest everyone who finds this thread useful to float this thread to the top of the board in 'thread options'. That way you won't lose it, since it's kinda hard to get a real sticky around here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Godflower]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Loralor wrote:<BR> <P>Awesome post. Alot of work put into it.</P> <P>Sadly, all of this info will become obsolete with the Combat Changes. For the time beiing, go for the heals and wards first, save the rares for after the changes I would say.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thanks for the post, it is very useful and answered many of my questions about what to upgrade at the higher levels.  As itching as I am to make some adept IIIs, I am holding my rares until after the balance changes.  Will you update it once the changes are done *nudge* :smileywink: ? lol</P> <P>Cheers,<BR></P> <p>Message Edited by Godflower on <span class=date_text>06-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:12 PM</span>

[2of]

<DIV>Ahhhh the ever so elusive and mythical combat balancing and etc... patch. If it changes things sure I'll update the pictures, but since I have most of these scribed now, there will be no comparison in the pictures, since I take the shot and compare after creating them and before scribing.</DIV>

[Monr]

Just wanted to add my 5-star and thanks Darkkk. Muchos Gracias! :smileyhappy:

[Tsark]

Thanks Darkkk for the great post. Makes me a lot more comfortable to use my rares on a spell I know will be worth the upgrade. Here's a shot of Transcendent Blessing at Adept I and Master I that you can add to your collection. This is viewed at level 50. I don't know the stats of the Adept III. Screenshot added to Darkkk's original post.<p>Message Edited by Tsark on <span class=date_text>06-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:17 PM</span><p>Message Edited by Tsark on <span class=date_text>06-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:23 PM</span>

[2of]

<DIV>Hey =) May I upload that shot to my own site for use?</DIV>

[Tsark]

<blockquote><hr>2of12 wrote:<DIV>Hey =) May I upload that shot to my own site for use?</DIV><hr></blockquote>No objection here. I'll edit my post to remove the screenshot when you have rolled it into your master post at the top of this thread.

[OwennII]

I've got a request for Prophecy.  I've been using it more lately in the MT group to add a few hps to the MT. Whenever ya can thanks <div></div>

[2of]

I may get a server first for that one too. Gimme a week or two to swindle a rare and I'll scribe it.

[TheRealMo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Banditman wrote:Ad 3 is 955.  That one I am sure of.  I think the description may be off by a HP or two, but 955 is what floats up. <div></div><hr></blockquote> 955 is correct</span><div></div>

[lavinia]

<DIV>very helpful, thank you.</DIV>

[Triyton]

<DIV><FONT size=1></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=1>Hmm, my Mystic is only L35 and my L41 Sage is not the same character as my Mystic.  Worse yet the server is currently down.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1>I did Miasma as I often stack DoTs and it was my newest one at the time (L28.4) but it was dissapointing.  It does only a little extra damage so although it ticks frequently it seems like a waste.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1>The problem with Ursine Prophet is that it comes at L48.6, it never gets time to grow.  I have done Ursine Elder and Oracle and have been happy with them.  Better health power and defense every moment of the game, what more could you ask for?  As long as it really ugrades I would do these (but not Prophet until the level cap goes up).  The best favor you can do for your group is to have more power and more durability (unless you have never caught aggro) :smileywink:.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1>I have also done Spirit of the Bull, then Rhino.  I have been happy with these too.  As Banditman pointed out elsewhere, this is the one buff line that doesn't overlap with other priests buffs, and the buffs don't stack between types of priests.  At the core, you want to keep your group alive and having everyone stronger and stouter gets to the heart of doing it.    Also no worries about resists or power costs.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1>Sorta recently I have done Grim Lethargy.  The numbers showed a noticeable decrease in the enemy attack speeds versus Adept1, and since it applies to the entire encounter on many encounters I think it was worth the money.  With Mystics being broken I have to decrease the damage the MT takes somehow, right?</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1>Lastly, I did Umbral Trap.  Major improvement in the amount of decrease in the DPS of the encounter.  It has a long recast timer, so if you need a big bang f or your buck this may not be for  you.  Going thru Runnyeye with a periodic encounter with a named mob it was perfect, that was the time to use it.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=1></FONT> </P><p>Message Edited by Triyton on <span class=date_text>06-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:18 PM</span>

[Arfiniel]

<P>/bump</P> <P>(don't want to hunt and peck for this in a few days lol, sorry).</P>

[Triyton]

<P>Bumping is a no-no.</P> <P>You don't need to do that anyway, just go to the upper left of the page and choose "float this thread to the top" or whatever exactly it says, from the drop-down list.</P> <P> </P>

[Muad`D]

If i remember tonight, I will take screenies of any adept 3s that aren't listed as well as my Master 1 Runic Talisman and Avatar that i got from raid drops.

[Mystiq]

<DIV>Might as well keep this kind of thing consolidated in one thread. Here's a shot of Oberon at Master 1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://home.ripway.com/2004-12/223120/EQ%20II/Oberonmaster.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After the initial 1126 is absorbed it regenerates the ward in incriments of 187 quite a few times while the spell is kept on the target. Of course I still think I could be doing better with my time than standing stunned for 30 seconds to get a 2k ward.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[disru]

Hope you found that and didnt pay for it... <div></div>

[Mystiq]

<DIV>Spirits of the Lost raid baby!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Muad`D]

Just a brief hijack and i sorely apologize, but Eloora; Is the spirits of the Lost raid still dropping master chests at such an insane rate? we haven't gone back and cleared it in a couple weeks b/c we were of the understanding that the drop rates were toned down.

[Mystiq]

<P>The devs didn't want to tone it down, they as well as the playerbase liked the event too much, so it's neither being made easier or less rewarding.</P> <P> </P>

[fezz]

<P>Oberon Master 1 will be a pretty sweet spell when ur not lvl 50, and it mitigates damage.  Master 1 ancestral aegis wards 1524 at lvl 50 also.  Does anyone know what the Enlightened Healing Master 1 drops off of?  Would be a nice thing to know.  Also i just got that Oberon Master 1 off of the very hard Splitpaw heroic raid lol.  So grind on that.</P> <P> </P> <P>Nigaek lvl 50 Mystic/Jeweler</P> <P>Clan Lynx of Steamfont</P>

[Mystiq]

I heard that it can drop in random metal chests in Permafrost =, and that Ancestral Aegis has dropped from random metal chests in Rivervale. I'd rather take my chances with waiting for the drop from raid mobs :smileyvery-happy:

[Lyvid]

Did anyone upgrade Eidolic Savior yet?

[Vertix_EQ2]

<P><IMG src="http://www.atrocityguild.net/atrocity_news/loot/raidspells.jpg"></P> <P>SoE is obviously not worth upgrading.</P>

[Mystiq]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Lyvidan wrote:Did anyone upgrade Eidolic Savior yet? <div></div><hr></blockquote>Yep, dropped in the CL raid instance if I'm not mistaken. <img src="http://home.ripway.com/2004-12/223120/EQ%20II/eidolicsaviormaster1.jpg"></span><div></div>

[Banditman]

75% !?!?!? That is an insanely useful get out of jail free card. <div></div>

[Mystiq]

Yeah...I only ever use it to save the MT, and if I'm just within heal range to avoid AE or whatever, it's not close enough to cast this. It's oft not fast enough when it's needed most. <div></div>

[Banditman]

With the recent change to AE ranges on large creatures some of that problem should go away. <div></div>

[Surly_Smurf]

<DIV>Has anyone dug up a screenshot of "Prophecy" at Adept 3 (preferably on a level 50 Mystic, but beggars cannot be choosers, I suppose)? The Master version would be interesting to see but since I've never even seen one for sale on my server, so I'm more interested in the more accessible Adept 3. I've used my Adept 1 on occasion to give the MT a bit more Health/Power buff since it will stack with health/power buffs from the other healers.  I'm curious to know if paying for the upgrade is really worth it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[2of]

I'm gonna go buy a ruby right now just to upgrade this for u

[2of]

<IMG src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/prophecy.jpg">

[disru]

<span><blockquote><hr>2of12 wrote:<img src="http://68.201.71.18/BORG/2of12/files/adepts/prophecy.jpg"> <div></div><hr></blockquote>doh, that sucks... hope it gets better with the mythical revamp</span><div></div>

[Surly_Smurf]

<P>Wow. I almost feel like I owe you for that ruby! Thanks for showing me that traffic accident waiting to happen. Much appreciated! I agree, I really hope it gets a boost in value in the combat changes *cross fingers*. Thanks again!</P>

[paisan]

<DIV>Now THATS takin one for the team...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[2of]

<DIV>Yea, please mail 1p35g to Darkkk @ Nektulos for that one, gawd.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well at least I have prophecy adept III</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What's even better is that I did NOT get a server first for it, so somebody else ate it too.</DIV>

[Khelyn]

<P>Would it be possibe if a level 50 posted ss's of Adept 3's of the following.  I would like to compare them before I have them made. </P> <P>Eidolic Mettle, Prophetic Shield, Spirit of Elephant, Runic Talisman and Howl of the Ancients.  <BR>Thanks  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Banditman]

With revamp less than a month away, I'd just start hording all the rubies I could.

[2of]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Khelyn wrote:<BR> <P>Would it be possibe if a level 50 posted ss's of Adept 3's of the following.  I would like to compare them before I have them made. </P> <P>Eidolic Mettle, Prophetic Shield, Spirit of Elephant, Runic Talisman and Howl of the Ancients.  <BR>Thanks  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>look at initial post</DIV>

[Ky]

<DIV>Shadowy Attendant Master 1 heals for 55 Hps per tick at 50 btw</DIV>

[Arfiniel]

<P>Here are some pre-combat change screenies of a few masters at level 50, including Prophecy.  Apologies if they've been posted already, too lazy to look.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2365/eq20001065jg.jpg"></P> <DIV>Thanks to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting (http://imageshack.us)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Arfiniel on <span class=date_text>08-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:22 AM</span>

[Jeah]

<P>Here's a few more Masters (taken at lvl 50)....</P> <P><IMG src="http://home.comcast.net/~lynn_lee/EQ2_Masters.jpg"></P>

[Kylema]

Ursine prophet adept 3 at L 50 seems to be bugged or downgraded as maul is only doing 40-60 dmg per strike now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[lollygagger]

Anyone have the stats for Mourning Soul Adpet 3 and/or Master 1? //lollygagger <div></div>

[Geni]

<P>Can someone please post screen shots of their Adept IIIs and Master Is after the combat changes.  A whole new game now deciding what to upgrade at 50.</P> <P>Thanks!</P>