Spells Which Share Recast Timers

[Bisho]

Is there a post or list which identifies those Shaman/Mystic spells that share a recast timer or represent upgrades to older spells? <div></div>

[ChristopherK]

Hmm, I'll put it this way. If the icon is the same, it shares the same recast timer. All your level 20 heals and wards will not share a timer with the upgrades (so you can use them all the way to 50 in a chain cast situation) Contagion never shares a timer with anything. And all your debuffs stop working on mobs a couple levels after you get an upgrade. For your buffs, the icon stays the same so you know it's an upgrade to the previous buff. The new spells you get in the 40's have their own new icon and no replacements yet. <div></div>

[Banditman]

<P>The general rule of thumb is that Class spells do not share a timer with sub-Class spells but all sub-Class spells share a timer with their upgrades.</P> <P>So, Healing Ritual, your Class level big heal, does not share a timer with Spiritual Healing, but Spiritual Healing shares with it's upgrades.</P>

[Bisho]

I think I was too obtuse regarding what I'm trying to determine.  Really, I need to know what spells replace older spells.   My best guess, so far, is the following: Minor Healing - Totemic Aid Minor Arch Healing - Healing Ritual - Enlightened Healing Grey Wind - Cold Fire - Touch of the Grey Weakness - Delusion- - Chimerik Wailing Haze - Keening Haze-Howling Haze - Fallacy Contagion - Miasma(?) - Pox Wards of Spirit - Wards of Shadow Phantasm - Quelling Spirits Spiritual Seal - Umbral Fortitude Ursine Elder - Ursine Oracle Spirit of Badger - Runic Shield - Runic Talisman Spirit of Bull - Spirit of Rhino - Spirit of Elephant Grim Lethargy -Dreadful Lethargy Eidolic Ward - Eidolic Savior Ancestral Ward - Ancestral Aegis Breath of Spirits - Spirit’s Salve - Transcendent Blessing I'm sure this list requires corrections and additions - any help would be appreciated.<div></div>

[Hadji]

<P>I would list Fallacy between Delusion and Chimerik.  The Haze line ends at Howling Haze.</P> <P>I agree that Eidolic Savior is an upgrade to Eidolic Ward, but do NOT believe they share a recast timer, so both are available if you choose to keep them both up.</P> <P>There are some higher level upgrades you dont list, like Ursine Prophet, Ire of the Gray and Wards of the Eidolon.</P> <P> </P> <P>Great work on list though, I haven't seen on listing the progression like this.</P> <P> </P> <P>Frellya</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Banditman]

<div></div><p><font color="#ff0000">Totemic Aid</font> - Spiritual Replenishment - Rejuvenating Chant</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Gray Wind</font> - Touch of the Gray - Ire of the Gray</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Weakness</font> - Delusion - Fallacy - Chimerik</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Contagion</font> - Miasma - Pox</p> <p>Cold Fire - Icy Flames</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Wailing Haze</font> - Keening Haze - Howling Haze</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Wards of Spirit</font> - Wards of Shadow - Umbral Ritual</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Phantasm</font> - Quelling Spirits - Fading Spirit - Accordant Spirits (these are actually a little different but serve same purpose)</p> <p>Spiritual Seal - Umbral Fortitude - Eidolic Mettle</p> <p>Ursine Elder - Ursine Oracle - Ursine Prophet</p> <p>Spirit of Badger - Runic Shield - Runic Talisman</p> <p>Spirit of Bull - Spirit of Rhino - Spirit of Elephant</p> <p>Grim Lethargy - Dreadful Lethargy</p> <p>Eidolic Ward - Eidolic Savior - Wards of the Eidolon</p> <p>Anger of the Ancients - Fury of the Ancients</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Breath of Spirits</font> - Spiritists Salve - Transcendant Blessing</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">Spectral Ward</font> - Ancestral Ward - Ancestral Aegis</p> <p>Auspice - Omen - Prophecy</p> <p>Cry of the Ancients - Howl of the Ancients</p> <p>Path of the Gray - Fields of the Gray (bugged) - Recall of the Gray</p> <p>The items in red are CLASS level spells and IN GENERAL will not share a recast timer with their upgrades and IN GENERAL will stack with their sub-Class upgrades.</p> <p>I have two hotbars at L44:</p> <p>1 - Minor Healing - Rejuvenating Chant - Healing Ritual - Spiritual Healing - Group Nox Cure - Group Arc Cure - Bloodlines Heal Stick - Group Heal - Group Ward - Spec Ward (L20 Up) - Ancestral Aegis - SoW - Sprint</p> <p>2 - Fallacy - Howling Haze - Howl of the Ancients - Anger of the Ancients - Grim Lethargy - Pox - Icy Flames - Contagion - Umbral Trap - Touch of the Gray - Accordant Spirits - Divine Providence</p> <p>Your mileage may vary.</p><p>Message Edited by Banditman on <span class=date_text>04-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:00 PM</span>

[Bisho]

Where does the buff "Courage" fit into all of this?  There doesn't seem to be a true replacement spell but it's hard to believe a lvl 5 buff has any effect in higher levels. Also, if the Class and sub-class debuffs stack, should they be used together.  In other words, is there a sense of diminishing returns by using all three rather than the most powerful or can their combined use have a notable effect upon the mob? <div></div>

[Scrav]

<div></div>Generally most people replace Courage with Prophetic Guard (Level 29 spell).  It isn't a true upgrade, but it is a viable replacement. You could stack the lower level debuffs, except that many of the lower level buffs are limited by a specific level which they can affect up to.  General rule of thumb is to not bother about stacking lower level debuffs with their superiors. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Scrav on <span class=date_text>03-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:46 PM</span>

[Banditman]

<P>You will very rarely find yourself with enough time to stack multiple debuffs in combat.  About the best I can hope for is to pull with Cry / Howl of the Ancients, then something in the Delusion line, then my best Slow.</P> <P>Forget Courage as soon as you have enough "other" buffs to drop it.</P>

[Chanliang]

<p><font color="#ff0000">Totemic Aid</font> - Spiritual Replenishment  = These don't have same timer</p> <p>Gray Wind - Touch of the Gray =  These don't have same timer, recast timer on touch is 3sec so I removed gray wind from my hotbar and keep smite there instead </p> <p>Wards of Spirit - Wards of Shadow = These don't have same timer</p> <p>Phantasm - Quelling Spirits = These don't have same timer</p> <p>Breath of Spirits - Spiritists Salve  = These don't have same timer</p> <p> </p> <div></div>

[Banditman]

<P>All of those are Class vs sub-Class spells, I just didn't red them.</P> <P>Why would you use Smite?  Contagion casts much faster and is more than adequate to advance a HO.</P>

[ChristopherK]

<P>Contagion is your friend till 50 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P>Finished a personal HO for 640 with it on Ven or Voxx... It's fun to hit a mob for close to 700 damage with a low level spell <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Banditman]

That's one of my favorite tricks in a group . . . HO-Pox-Contagion . . . whole process takes like 3 seconds and nets me a nice big DD in addition to the DoT's . . . and it happens so fast it doesn't interfere with the other multi class HO's.