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Sens
01-10-2005, 10:04 PM
<DIV>These numbers are all at level 31 with no stacking. I've highlighted the oddities....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.schooley.us/images/MysticBuffsAtLevel31.gif"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Either the AC bonus for badger is bugged or runic shield is messed up.</DIV> <P>Two of our weakest buffs (Auspice and Omen) both cost 2 concentration and only effect a single target.</P> <P>--Drox (AB)</P>

Banditman
01-10-2005, 10:23 PM
<DIV>Its a pretty common thing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Often spells you get aren't really "upgrades" until a few levels later.  Take Smite and Gray Wind for instance.  When you first receive Gray Wind, it's supposed to be an "upgrade" to Smite.  In the early stages, its a VERY dubious upgrade, in fact Smite is often a superior spell for a few levels.  But, as it gets more and more levels behind it, Gray Wind becomes the clear winner.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd try to put a few levels (and upgrades) under my belt and compare again.  I really think that you will find Runic come into it's own as many spells do after the passage of time and experience.</DIV>

Kalam
01-10-2005, 11:10 PM
<DIV>Runic Shield is NOT an upgrade to Badger actually.  I forgot to check if the spell description for Runic Shield got changed this patch, but the two spells do slightly different things, and they STACK.  Badger is Str+AC, and actually provides a bigger AC boost than Runic Shield does when you first get the spell.  Runic Shield is Sta+Power+AC.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Kalam
01-11-2005, 08:33 AM
<DIV>Hah!  Well disregard my post above.  Here is the line from the patch notes regarding Runic Shield:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"- Runic Shield had its description changed to be more clear."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well actually the description stayed exactly the same.  What changed is the spell itself.  It IS the upgrade to Badger now, and no longer affects Stamina.  My App 3 version of Runic Shield does provide more Str than my Adept I Badger, but less AC at lvl 32.  Strangley the AC component "sorta" stacks for the 2 spells, while the Str and Power components do not.  What I mean by "sorta" is, having both Badger and Runic Shield up gives me the same AC as Badger alone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Hadji
01-11-2005, 07:09 PM
<DIV><FONT size=2>What about Prophetic Guard and Umbral Fortitude?  Don't these replace some of the buffs listed?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Great comparison BTW, thanks.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>*Edit</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I don't remember which spell without checking it in game, (at work now), but Courage didnt stack well with one of our later buffs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>36 Mystic - 16 Outfitter</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Neriak</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Hadji on <span class=date_text>01-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:15 AM</span>

Banditman
01-11-2005, 09:13 PM
<DIV>Umbral Fortitude replaces Spiritual Seal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think Prophetic Guard has a direct replacement.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In general, look at the icon of the spell to get some idea of what it might replace.  It's not a "works every time" rule, but it does work a lot.</DIV>

leatia
01-12-2005, 12:48 PM
Have you checked courage adept I recently?I stopped using this buff completely as it no longer has any effect on AC when I've used it. They also changed the spell text to where ".. defense .." has been omitted from the description to go along with the AC nerf.

Hadji
01-12-2005, 08:38 PM
<DIV><FONT size=2>I tested Courage last night and I can confirm that it no longer adds AC.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I also check out OMEN, APP II and it seemed to add more than 7 power but I dont't remember how much (sorry didnt write it down).  That could be because of our level difference and it still seems low.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Great Chart! </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Frellya</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Hadji on <span class=date_text>01-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:40 AM</span>