did I pick the right class?

[JarredDarque]

<DIV>OK, I rolled a Fae a few weeks back, I duo with my gf, she is playing a Zerker  (talk about a role reversal <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV> <DIV>I am lvl 17 right now, so it isnt to late to reroll...</DIV> <DIV>My quistion is if I picked the right class to duo with.  Even duoing right now, when we get adds, I seem hard pressed to keep up, and am often out of power..causing wipes with only 2 solo encounters.</DIV> <DIV>Of course,  I am in common crafted gear atm,  and all my spells are app1 as well, I know  not even appIV :/</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would I have been better rollinga  warden or another healer class, or will Fury turn out to be ok?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One of the big reasons I ask, is that my main is a 70 Pally, I run alot of instances as well.  In KOS, I would always only bring one healer, and alot of times, it was a guildie of mine, a well geared 70 Fury who knows his job.   We enver had problems before,  after EoF though, those same instances are giving him problems tryin to keep up on heals, while other classes dont seem to be affected by any changes.  i.e.  I took in a lvl 68 templar who had alot easier of a time single healing me than the 70 Fury.  And the 70 Fury was fully mastered out unlike the temp who still had adept1s on alot of things  (It was a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good Templar though, one of the best I have seen when it came to keeping on top of traumas)   And on EoF instances,  I cant take the Fury along any more as a single healer,  unless I am going as a backup healer, not MT.  He just cant keep up.  Was EoF that bad on the calss?  I have looked at AAs,  and didnt see anything really promising to buffing healing abilities much if at all.</DIV>

[Boli32]

A fury can solo heal as well as any other healer but you really have to be prepared to be on your toes. Unlike any other healer you don't have a buffer (residual healing for wardens, reactive for clerics and wards for shammys), which bascilaly means you are physically healing every point of damage the tank takes. (if you see a tank with bouncing health you know a fury's healing :/)Initially untill you reach Hibernation and Back into the Fray in your 50s you are going to struggle a lot with ADDs. Take a couple of days off leveling and level up your Tradeskilling... a lvl 20 sage will be able to make most of your spells to App4 and a couple of rares (from harvesting) making a couple AD3s will help tremendously, failign that  just scoure the market for ANY item that increases your wis and power (this often means cloth), since you are duoing with your g/f the loss of mit won't matter much.Once you reach 25 ish power concerns slow down and only seem to crop up in your 40s-50s the teens are a slow time for a fury though. - I would grab a nice weapon and kepe your crashing/slashing skill up to help with killing the mobs ratehr than your nukes to conserve power for a bit. <div></div>

[JarredDarque]

<P>My crushing is capped.   I am about to start up an alchy, whcih will make my spells up to lvl 20  and spells for my guardian, my SK, my zerker, my gfs zerker, and her monk from now on.   been selling low lvl adepts like hotcakes,  so I ahve near a plat on the fae now though :/  I just need to order em I guess.   </P> <P>thanks for the vote of confidence   I will keep this toon how he is then <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  and look foward to higher lvls where these problems are less of a concern,</P>

[Faelia]

If you're having problems duoing with a tank that is taking a beating when you get solo mob adds, chances are the tank just needs to upgrade their armor somewhat.  Great healers will still struggle with under-equipped tanks.

[ArivenGemini]

<div><blockquote><hr>JarredDarque wrote:<div>OK, I rolled a Fae a few weeks back, I duo with my gf, she is playing a Zerker  (talk about a role reversal <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</div> <div>I am lvl 17 right now, so it isnt to late to reroll...</div> <div>My quistion is if I picked the right class to duo with.  Even duoing right now, when we get adds, I seem hard pressed to keep up, and am often out of power..causing wipes with only 2 solo encounters.</div> <div>Of course,  I am in common crafted gear atm,  and all my spells are app1 as well, I know  not even appIV :/</div> <div> </div> <div>Would I have been better rollinga  warden or another healer class, or will Fury turn out to be ok?</div> <div> </div> <div>One of the big reasons I ask, is that my main is a 70 Pally, I run alot of instances as well.  In KOS, I would always only bring one healer, and alot of times, it was a guildie of mine, a well geared 70 Fury who knows his job.   We enver had problems before,  after EoF though, those same instances are giving him problems tryin to keep up on heals, while other classes dont seem to be affected by any changes.  i.e.  I took in a lvl 68 templar who had alot easier of a time single healing me than the 70 Fury.  And the 70 Fury was fully mastered out unlike the temp who still had adept1s on alot of things  (It was a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good Templar though, one of the best I have seen when it came to keeping on top of traumas)   And on EoF instances,  I cant take the Fury along any more as a single healer,  unless I am going as a backup healer, not MT.  He just cant keep up.  Was EoF that bad on the calss?  I have looked at AAs,  and didnt see anything really promising to buffing healing abilities much if at all.</div><hr></blockquote>Get your spells upgraded.. App 1 isn't going to cut it at your level really..  even app 4 should be noticibly better.. and adept 1 or better if you can..   critical ones to get ad3 or master if you can are your main heals and your group buff that gives health regen <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The health regens are nice especially when paired with another class that can do their own... between my 62 fury and the serk I group with a lot we have I believe a couple hundred points possible regen per tick..  which gives you a bit of leeway to catch up in fast fights..</div>

[Toastic]

<DIV>You're still using regrowth (lvl 12) which isn't all that great, you get upgrades to it at 19 and again at 26. You can master the 19 one but jaspers are pretty cheap, I'd master your nuke and get an adept 3 of the level 26 HoT. Mastered/Ad3 of your HoT helps a ton and it's got to last you till 40 which it isn't going to very well if it's only app4 or adept 1. You also get your big heal (elixir line) upgraded at 18 which should help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The biggest help is past 50 when you get back into the fray (middle range heal that doubles if target is below 50%) and hibernation. You do have to learn how to heal differently with a druid. For example it's easy to spam the HoT whenever it ungreys when the tank is getting pounded but you're actually wasting mana as it lasts longer than the refresh time. Cast HoT, big heal if tank is really hurt, small if the HoT isn't keeping up, usually HoT has expired by then. Also group HoT if you can spare the mana to bolster the single target.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plus don't forget to blow stuff up, half the point of a fury is killing it faster so the tank needs less heals anyway <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Katx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JarredDarque wrote:<BR> <DIV>OK, I rolled a Fae a few weeks back, I duo with my gf, she is playing a Zerker  (talk about a role reversal <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV> <DIV>I am lvl 17 right now, so it isnt to late to reroll...</DIV> <DIV>My quistion is if I picked the right class to duo with.  Even duoing right now, when we get adds, I seem hard pressed to keep up, and am often out of power..causing wipes with only 2 solo encounters.</DIV> <DIV>Of course,  I am in common crafted gear atm,  and all my spells are app1 as well, I know  not even appIV :/</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would I have been better rollinga  warden or another healer class, or will Fury turn out to be ok?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One of the big reasons I ask, is that my main is a 70 Pally, I run alot of instances as well.  In KOS, I would always only bring one healer, and alot of times, it was a guildie of mine, a well geared 70 Fury who knows his job.   We enver had problems before,  after EoF though, those same instances are giving him problems tryin to keep up on heals, while other classes dont seem to be affected by any changes.  i.e.  I took in a lvl 68 templar who had alot easier of a time single healing me than the 70 Fury.  And the 70 Fury was fully mastered out unlike the temp who still had adept1s on alot of things  (It was a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good Templar though, one of the best I have seen when it came to keeping on top of traumas)   And on EoF instances,  I cant take the Fury along any more as a single healer,  unless I am going as a backup healer, not MT.  He just cant keep up.  Was EoF that bad on the calss?  I have looked at AAs,  and didnt see anything really promising to buffing healing abilities much if at all.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Firstly, I'm shocked that your fury friend is now having problems solo healing instances.  I'm not having any issues with it.  Yes, I have to be on my toes, and I also don't get to sit back and dot / nuke as much as I used to.  But, I can solo heal the instances.</P> <P>It might be easier to be a templar or some other type of healer, but I wouldn't trade my fury for a templar for anything.  I've played a friend's templar and honestly, it bores me to tears.  I much prefer the more active, quick, involved style of a fury.  It is defintely more intricate and challenging to be a fury.</P> <P>Upgrade your tank's gear.  Upgrade your own spells ASAP.  Some of the early levels can be a bit tricky as a fury, but in the end, you'll have a diverse, fun to play char.  </P> <P>Basically, it comes down to play style and talent.  The tools are there either way.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[JarredDarque]

<P>As for my friend..I think he is having to adapt to having to constantly heal, as for upgrading the tanks gear with my friend.  That is me, and  with him, I am at about 5400 mit and 50% avoid.   cant upgrade that too terribly much anymore with the declining returns. :/</P> <P>I will try and get appIVs.  not gonna jump into ad3s until mid 20s prolly.</P>

[Rumbler]

<P>Personally for what you are doing I would reroll or betray to warden. </P> <P>Yes fury can heal well but they are going to have to work much harder than any other priest to keep that tank alive. When pushed to the limits a warden will outheal us.</P>

[Boli32]

<div><blockquote><hr>Rumbler wrote:<div></div> <p>Personally for what you are doing I would reroll or betray to warden. </p> <p>Yes fury can heal well but they are going to have to work much harder than any other priest to keep that tank alive. When pushed to the limits a warden will outheal us.</p><hr></blockquote>If you're talking grouping I would agree with you... duoing or small grouping I woudl stick with fury... raiding... either is good.</div>

[Katx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rumbler wrote:<BR> <P>Personally for what you are doing I would reroll or betray to warden. </P> <P>Yes fury can heal well but they are going to have to work much harder than any other priest to keep that tank alive. When pushed to the limits a warden will outheal us.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You call it "working much harder".  I call it "rising to the challenge".</P> <P>A well played fury will elecit oohs and aahs from people.  Personally, I love it when the group I'm with watches me solo heal through difficult circumstances and lavishes praise upon me.  /shrug  Perhaps that's just me.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Can wardens outheal me?  Definitely.  However, when I look at warden solo-healed groups in a raid after a big AE, my group is green again before the warden's.  When a player in my solo-healed group gets to orange or red, my Back into the Fray and Nature's Elixer has them back to green before the orange / red player in the shaman's solo healed group has even gotten a direct heal.  Master BitF crits frequently for over 2K.  Hands down, furies are the best group healers in the game.  In raids that are long-term ae heavy, I am frequently 2nd on the heal parse, beating out the MT group templar and warden, behind only the MT defiler.  occasionally, I even beat the defiler!</P> <P>Could I play an "easier" healer?  Sure.  But I don't want to.  That's so boring!!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[AshesKat]

<P>I went for a Mystic Fae first ... had quite a bit of fun ... but something was missing ... tried a Fury Fae ... wow ... she's now 30 ... and I only started to look at upgrading spells!</P> <P>I think the advice here is good overall.</P>

[Ba]

<P>My question to the OP would be "Would you expect to take an undergeared paladin with only app1 combat arts and treasured gear and tank as well as someone who had actually sunk some resources, time and money into their paladin?".</P> <P>Your ability to heal on your Fury is affected by the following factors:-</P> <P>1. The quality of your tank<BR>A healer is only as good as the people they are healing. Get a well geared tank with decent mitigation, avoidance and upgraded combat arts (that knows how to use their skills) and they can be 2-3 times easier to heal (if not more) than someone who is lacking in any of those qualities.</P> <P>2. The quality of your spells<BR>App4 should be the absolute MINIMUM grade you should aim for on any of your spells. Adept1 is a better baseline (and not really that hard to achieve). Your major healing lines and your mitigation buff should be as high as possible (ad3 or m1 is best).</P> <P>If your planning on focusing on the healer aspect long-term then you should choose the HoT line as your master choice everytime you get it as a choice. This line (and the group HoT) is the most crucial aspect of a Fury's healing.</P> <P>3. How big your mana pool is and how fast you regenerate mana<BR>As with any caster, a large mana pool and flowing thought is essential (more so at the higher levels). Invest in good gear that offers high protection, wisdom (bigger mana pool) and some intelligence (for added nuke power).</P> <P>4. Your ability to twist your spells and conserve mana<BR>Don't over-heal. Don't over-nuke. Gauge your tanks ADTPS (average damage taken per second). Time your healing so that very little of it is wasted -- it's OK for your tank to be less than 100% the whole fight.<BR>If two or more people need serious healing then your group HoT is almost always your best choice. Don't draw aggro (and thus have to heal yourself), use the Brambles line if you do.</P> <P>5. Learn and use your "secondary healing" abilities<BR>The Feast line is a handy little group HoT you should try to keep ticking as much as possible. Learn when its best to use your "emergency" heals.<BR>Remember that our mitigation buff (especially when enhanced) is actually a pretty decent group HoT that works in and out of combat (yes, we heal the group just by being there).<BR>Learn when and how to effectively use the Urchin line (after L50).</P> <P>Get the hang of it and its cake (and fun). I personally don't find healing using my Fury any more difficult than when using my Inquisitor. It's not your choice of class thats bogging you down here.</P>

[Goozman]

<DIV>It's kind of funny I think. Up until 52, Fury healing is so distinctly subpar compared to wardens, I mean so much weaker you'd wonder if Furies were meant to be a healer class. Then at 52, with Back Into the Fray, a Fury spam casting their 3 direct heals will just barely outheal a Warden spam casting their 2. So in the end, a Fury actually heals more, but in regular circumstances will heal less. I'm all pro-fury and all, but I do think it's a bit wack that we can outheal Wardens if we're frantically healing, and we can outdps Wardens if we are frantically damaging.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wardens have some powerful stuff for grouping, but does that make up for it? hmmm... deffinitely think Wardens need some more help in the buffing and dps departments.</DIV>

[Tasburath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> <DIV>It's kind of funny I think. Up until 52, Fury healing is so distinctly subpar compared to wardens, I mean so much weaker you'd wonder if Furies were meant to be a healer class. Then at 52, with Back Into the Fray, a Fury spam casting their 3 direct heals will just barely outheal a Warden spam casting their 2. So in the end, a Fury actually heals more, but in regular circumstances will heal less. I'm all pro-fury and all, but I do think it's a bit wack that we can outheal Wardens if we're frantically healing, and we can outdps Wardens if we are frantically damaging.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wardens have some powerful stuff for grouping, but does that make up for it? hmmm... deffinitely think Wardens need some more help in the buffing and dps departments.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>And in one post, we go from "Is fury right for me" to "help the poor wardens".</P> <P>My Fury is only level 25, but so far I've been having fun with the class.  The trick is knowing what you can handle as a pair and, when things get out of hand, not being afraid to run like a little girl.  Do what I do.  Toss your significant other at the mob and hightail it out of there.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Rumbler]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toss your significant other at the mob and hightail it out of there.  <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_man-happy.gif" width=16 border=0><BR> <P><BR>....</P> <P>or if you are a warden just hit evac. </P> <P>Furies heal fast. I am not sure if we can outheal a warden when spam healing, maybe we can but I bet we would run out of power long before the warden.</P> <P>Yep on raids for group healing we would have to be tops thanks to our relatively fast spells but thats nothing to do with boxing with a friend. Our group heals use heaps of power up.<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>

[Causeless]

Another thing to consider.  Is your g/f using offensive or defensive stance.  I'm no expert on tanks, but I feel the guardian is hands down the best damage soaking tank.  However, the stance used can certainly make a difference.  Your g/f should be using defensive for tough mobs and probably for adds.<div></div>

[Katx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rumbler wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toss your significant other at the mob and hightail it out of there.  <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_man-happy.gif" width=16 border=0><BR> <P><BR>....</P> <P>or if you are a warden just hit evac. </P> <P>Furies heal fast. I am not sure if we can outheal a warden when spam healing, maybe we can but I bet we would run out of power long before the warden.</P> <P>Yep on raids for group healing we would have to be tops thanks to our relatively fast spells but thats nothing to do with boxing with a friend. Our group heals use heaps of power up.<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>A well-timed Hibernation makes all the difference in group healing.</P> <P>Unless I encounter a mob with some variety of mana drain, I never have power issues.  Sometimes I have to use all tricks at my disposal - manastone, potions, hearts, shards, in combat power regen is maxed - but my power usage compared to others is terrific.  The templars, inqs, mystics and defilers, and even wardens at times, are usually out of power before I am.  This is even when I'm using my group heals.</P> <P>Man I sound like a fury fangirl in this thread.  Ugh.  I have my issues with the fury class, but I guess I'm pretty happy with my healing ability. <BR></P>

[Lairdragna]

Interesting thread... my main is a 70 raid pally that often outparses healers on raid heals zone wide... I am geared and speced heavily toward that.  As our tanking ability forces a pally to so tightly focus their AAs and gear, to the detriment of the general class utility, I decided to respec to a raid tank role and to level a pure healer.  I chose to go Fury.  In 10 days my guild has leveled me and a warden alt of a shadowknight to 53 (we have done zero collection quests, pure xp grinds).  I am not the most knowledgeable Fury as I have not had a lot of time to truly learn the class.  Thankfully we have an exceptional Fury main in the guild who is leveling his Guardian alt... I teach him tanking, he teaches me furying.I must say this, I see so much potential in this class.  I am truly excited.<div></div>

[Zelkova]

<b>Assuming you wish to fight mobs close to your own level</b>, a Warden is much better than Fury for what you are doing (duoing). For a variety of reasons... but the biggest reason would be their huge melee combat skill buff, which allows your tank to go defensive without any penalties and still gives a nice bonus after that.Some other reasons would be: their standard priest mit buff has some mitigation to ALL non-physical damage built in, this is worlds better than our HP regen. Their damage shield is much stronger, ours hits whole encounters but you will find most group encounters are just a handful of weakling mobs with one strong one thrown in so you'll typically wipe out all but one quickly anyway. Elemental ward... situational, but absolutely amazing when it's needed. Wardens have some nifty utilities, Furies are severely lacking in that department (though we do have a root now which is... something).Furies have good damage but our buffs are geared towards augmenting DPS classes, we simply don't do much for tanks at all. You can get by, but you'll likely be able to kill stronger things with a different healer. In a lot of ways, preventing damage is better than healing it (mostly because of agro issues). I can tell you first hand that shamans are extremely good at preventing damage, and probably the best healer for a duo if you want to take on extremely tough encounters, albeit slowly. Never played a cleric.. but they don't seem all that exciting.All that being said, you will probably have more FUN with a druid. They are great for casual play. And the fundamental differences between the druid classes isn't that big, so you might as well just stick to your fury if you intend to play a druid. But if you really want an easier time keeping people alive, then choose another class.<div></div>