Fury DPS: Parse

[eq2NT]

<DIV>I understand that parsing dps can (or maybe is) flawed, yet it is a good comparative measure against other classes.  I understand that wizards/rangers parse 1700-2000 dps and plate tanks parse 500-700 dps (assuming raid buffs).  (Please feel free to correct me here.)  Having said all that, what do furies parse?  What is the approxmate number?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is what I know at the moment:  furies parse higher than any other healer class, followed closely by wardens.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.  Is "followed closely by wardens" an accurate statement?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.  How do furies compare to troubadours and dirges?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3.  How do furies compare to monks/bruisers?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4.  How do furies compare to illusionists/coercers/conjureres/necromancers?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you in advance!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rumbler]

<DIV>I think its a bit early to be asking this given most don't have their aa capped. Furies with the right aa can do a lot of damage. <DIV>I've seen about 1200 dps from a fury with all dps aa lines including vortex.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Parses don't mean a lot as one player of the same class can double another because of how well they play, gear and if they are working on dps or other duties.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Based on observation of my guilds average parses since EoF</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Don't know what wardens aa lines did for their dps yet but mostly looked like it would increase our dps advantage and their defence advantage. They are more interested in HPS than DPS so hard to tell.</DIV> <DIV>2. I've never seen a bard do a lot of damage - a fury will beat them if trying to dps.</DIV> <DIV>3. Our monks/brusiers seem to be fd all the time so not sure <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Something to do with being used for bait. </DIV> <DIV>4. illusionists/coercers/conjureres/necromancers - They are really different classes. Conjurors own us, they can break 2k dps. Coercer depends on his pet. Not sure what illusionists can do. I have seen occassional burst damage from Necros but not so high on average as conjuror. On average they still beat a dps Fury and can probably do similar to conjuror with right gear and if they stop trying to be healers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[genesis013]

<P>I can tell you that on my guilds raids I am the only healer that usualy makes the parse. (top 10) But that is only on trash mobs, I never parse on nameds unless its a ranged fight or something. Each mob you encounter is different so sometimes I maybe on the parse because healing isn't nessisarily required, other times when I am mainly healing my dps is very minimal although still higher than any other healer. Depending on group set-ups makes a difference too, being in the caster group with a troub makes a huge difference in my dps. Usually my numbers is somewhere between 400-1000 dps(usually depending on how long the fight lasts), but like I said its very situational and healing is usually required more than our dps. I haven't got energy vortex yet so I don't know how much of an effect that will have raising dps at all.....Anyways hopefully that makes sense heh</P> <P> </P> <P>1. it's accurate because as far as healers go a warden will always be 2nd for dps after a fury. Furys have more nukes etc~</P> <P>2. Probably about even depending on the group set-up on average, if trying hard the fury will have more</P> <P>3. Lower than brawlers</P> <P>4. Way lower than conj/necro (they are pretty on part to wizard/warlock dps) we dont have an illusionist so not sure about them but our coercers are usually 600-700.</P> <P> </P> <P>but remember everything is situational..so every classes dps changes depending on the encounter ..thats just average ish i guess</P> <P>Message Edited by genesis013 on <SPAN class=date_text>11-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:48 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by genesis013 on <span class=date_text>11-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:58 PM</span>

[eq2NT]

<P>Very helpful responses.  Much appreciated.  Would love to hear more feedback.  How does warden dps compare to fury's dps?  Are there healing situations where wardens do better?</P>

[Goozman]

<P>So far in the EoF line I have</P> <P>Killing Swarm 5</P> <P>Tempest 5</P> <P>Thunderbolt 5</P> <P>Starnova 5</P> <P>Energy Vortex 1</P> <P>I also have 4 4 8 4 8 INT (Crits and Infusion) and 4 4 4 8 STA.</P> <P>On our raid in labs the other night, I was between 700 and 1200 for the majority of the raid, mostly 1000-1200 (I only needed to heal on a few fights). My highest parse was about 1650; that was on a drake with dispatch on throughout the mob's life of ~20 seconds.</P> <P>As for how Wardens compare. A warden won't be close to a completely damage specced fury. But almost identical to a non-damage specced Fury.</P>

[onimarox]

<DIV>As a raiding fury ( one of the top 3 on my server ) throw everything out on what people tell you // what others think ect.... people play Fury's for one of 2 reasons A, they like to nuke but wants to have the option to heal or B, like to heal but like to option to Nuke. ( Yes they are 2 diffrent things ). My highest parse is in deathtoll so far at 2570dps ( pre EoF ) on adverage i parse around 800 to 1200 on raids along with comming in at least 3rd on heal parses</DIV>

[Boli32]

I can't go all out that often but when we were farming the green epics for eyes I was pulling the top (or 2nd/3rd in solo mobs) of the parse of our 2 group setup with ease. Sure I was pulling 800-1.2k a fight but I couldn't control my agro for anything and I was pealing agro off our master taunted Guardian and spending half the fight tanking the mobs myself. Our Conjurers (we had 2 of them in the same 2 group raid) by comparison were pulling 800-900 dps constantly and never pulling agro once.I know our raid dps was low so it was skewed towards me.. the int capped fury with the master nukes, and this was pre EoF, and I'm heal speced.We can do a LOT... but we can't control it one bit.<div></div>

[Mimzel]

<blockquote><hr>boli wrote:We can do a LOT... but we can't control it one bit.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sounds like the description of pre-eof warlock <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Gutwren]

<DIV>I'm 5 AA from Energy Vortex =( I'm level 61 with 460 wis, 512int.... master1 / adept 3's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Right now when I'm main healer, I'm usually 2nd in DPS (did Sanctum Of The Scaleborn last night... bruiser{tank}, wizard, coercer, brigand, myself)... I bounced 1st - 3rd, depending on how many mobs were beating on my tank... single yellow ^^^, I was #1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can manage to keep my groups alive and DPS...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The new lines in EoF basically doubled the damage of our DoT's....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They added 1/3rd to our nukes through recast timers (AE included... never had a power problem... can go all out nuking and healing and still have enough mana for chain pulls)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I'd say with the new line we gained a good hunk more DPS, expecially if you have Energy Vortex (I wanna cry).</DIV>

[Nembutal]

<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:I can't go all out that often but when we were farming the green epics for eyes I was pulling the top (or 2nd/3rd in solo mobs) of the parse of our 2 group setup with ease. Sure I was pulling 800-1.2k a fight but I couldn't control my agro for anything and I was pealing agro off our master taunted Guardian and spending half the fight tanking the mobs myself. Our Conjurers (we had 2 of them in the same 2 group raid) by comparison were pulling 800-900 dps constantly and never pulling agro once.I know our raid dps was low so it was skewed towards me.. the int capped fury with the master nukes, and this was pre EoF, and I'm heal speced.We can do a LOT... but we can't control it one bit.<div></div><hr></blockquote>This is the life of the DPS spec'd Beserker also.... you can do alot of dmg... but no aggro reduction abilities.... it's a dangerous ride... one sec you have the admiration of the guild when you top the DPS chart... and the very next mob you get aggro.. turn the mob the whole guild eats an AE blast and you cost the guild a complete wipe.It's the main reason I normally don't go 100% DPS anymore on my main... I usually keep some of my tank gear on to minimize my DPS a little bit and to make it possible to live long enough for the main tank to regain control.Now my Fury is typically 2 boxed... so I focus on heals more than nukes due to minimizing button mashing.... but if it was my main I would do the same thing.</div>

[LayyZ]

<DIV>Lets just say a dps spec fury can do a decent amount of dmg. It just may end up eatting up all your power when trying to do so though. But its trash mobs so who cares... Nuke Away! :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Repxsrz]

<P>I have e noticed with the new AAs and such I can make the parse every time, usually top 5. Im fully fabled with somewhere around 690 int and all M1/M2 (starnova) nukes, and in the caster group w/ a Troub. The only problem is that when you add that kind of DPS, plus heals, you tend to pull a LOT aggro, and a Troub's de-aggro doesn't quite cut it. The only way I can truly go all out on raids is to have a pally put Amends on me, but that should be reserved for a higher DPS class, say a Wizard or a Warlock.</P> <P>I was consistently parsing around 1.5K-2K last night in LoA easy, more on the large groups...but I died a lot. Was great fun :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Oh, and we still burn through a LOT of power to put out that kind of DPS. So it really depends on how you choose to play your class. However,  it certainly makes soloing a lot easier.</P>

[markdevox]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> onimarox wrote:<BR> <DIV>My highest parse is in deathtoll so far at 2570dps ( pre EoF ) on adverage i parse around 800 to 1200 on raids along with comming in at least 3rd on heal parses</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nice figures</P> <P>Couple of quick questions, are those figures DPS or EXTDPS and are they raid duration or are you quoting specific encounters.</P> <P>I parse OK but nothing close to 2.5k in DT pre EoF.  If anything my raid-duration EXTDPS is lower in DT than on many other raids.  So I'm interested :smileyhappy:<BR></P>

[TheKons]

The last aa of the int line says that it does an ae every time you heal, or a % chance every time you heal (Sorry my gf is the fury i'm just a dumb tank) Is that a PBAoE like ring of fire, or does it work like starnova that its encounter only?<div></div>

[Repxsrz]

It will hit anything that is in range, be it mobs, NPCs, anything...so be careful :smileywink:

[Goozman]

<P>It also isn't an ae, it hits a single target in area of effect for each recipient of your beneficial spell. It also costs a lot of power</P> <P>Those [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ty things aside, I still use it.</P>

[Dragonreal]

also I think it hits the mob that's closest to you.. not 100% certain.. just what I noticed when messing around with it; on a raid, someone got charmed and at first I was still hitting only the mob every time with it but then they ended up moving behind the mob and I started hitting them instead.<div></div>

[onimarox]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> markdevox wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> onimarox wrote:<BR> <DIV>My highest parse is in deathtoll so far at 2570dps ( pre EoF ) on adverage i parse around 800 to 1200 on raids along with comming in at least 3rd on heal parses</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nice figures</P> <P>Couple of quick questions, are those figures DPS or EXTDPS and are they raid duration or are you quoting specific encounters.</P> <P>I parse OK but nothing close to 2.5k in DT pre EoF.  If anything my raid-duration EXTDPS is lower in DT than on many other raids.  So I'm interested :smileyhappy:<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Specific encouters, mainly the droag in the hallways or around fitpizles. For some reason it seems in labs // Lyc // DT my higher parses are with the Droag when others seem to have lower parses there.<BR>

[Onyxcrypt]

oh wow now you see? Told you ALL the time that a fury can be good dps class if you choose the right AA- / max ALL your spells to master I - II / and know how to play, when to hit what... You never wanted to believe it...  now in all of a sudden... <div></div>

[markdevox]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Onyxcrypt wrote:<BR>oh wow now you see?<BR> <BR>Told you ALL the time that a fury can be good dps class if you choose the right AA- / max ALL your spells to master I - II / and know how to play, when to hit what...<BR> <BR>You never wanted to believe it... <BR> <BR>now in all of a sudden... <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LOL</P> <P>I miss something? :smileyhappy:</P>

[Boli32]

<div><blockquote><hr>Onyxcrypt wrote:oh wow now you see? Told you ALL the time that a fury can be good dps class if you choose the right AA- / max ALL your spells to master I - II / and know how to play, when to hit what... You never wanted to believe it...  now in all of a sudden... <div></div><hr></blockquote>We can never be a true dps class as we can't sustain it or control our agro. I often warn groups when they want me to 'do dps' as I have no control of this and will mostly likely be dpsing well... but at a cost to the group as a whole.</div>

[quetzaqotl]

<DIV>yeah now finally people see how much dps a fury can do I mean the eof aas have been out for like 2 years now and now all of a sudden people see that our aas enhance our dps quite a bit.</DIV> <DIV>You were right all along onyx /sarcasm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Onyx why do you like to place yourself in the line of a truck driving at fullspeed?</DIV><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>12-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:20 PM</span>

[T'Pol]

Oh dear i cant believe what i am reading here.So much for equal balance.I better leave now before i say something i might regret <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Repxsrz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>boli wrote:</P> <P>We can never be a true dps class as we can't sustain it or control our agro. I often warn groups when they want me to 'do dps' as I have no control of this and will mostly likely be dpsing well... but at a cost to the group as a whole.<BR><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Exactly.

[Budgiette]

Im amased noone has mentioned templars.  Surely someone has had templars showing up on their parser?  Furies can certainly have some great dps in raids, however templars can do just as much damage!!  I would put templars with the furies and drop the wardens back a bit on dps....in third place.<div></div>

[Repxsrz]

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[Boli32]

<div></div>A fully dps speced Templar will out parse a none dps speced fury.But if a fury specs their toon to deal as much damage as possible the only way a templar can out parse them is if the fury pulls agro on the first nuke and subsciquently dies.Now inquisitors... that's a fight!<p>Message Edited by boli on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:55 PM</span>

[Goozman]

<DIV>Besides, you're apparently not alloowed to talk about what Templars can do on this forum; there's a huge secret society dedicated to making the populus believe the class sucks so that the devs will inevitably make them even more godly than they currently are. I've already gotten several death threats</DIV>

[5ringsblo]

I think a fury and templar both should be  nerfed, and they need to fix taunts so that they are not resisted all the time.

[mind|e]

Interesting but pointless thread...any dps thread is.Damage output is largely dependant on group set up.  The only way to accurately measure dps is solo, otherwise there's WAY too much variability.  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], i hit 4.7 k once in lycium on an encounter...that means nothing except that I had all kinds of procs, put on all my proc gear, and did it on a group encounter containing 6 mobs over a 15 sec fight.  <div></div>

[Supp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mind|ess wrote:<BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Interesting but pointless thread...any dps thread is.</FONT><BR><BR>Damage output is largely dependant on group set up.  The only way to accurately measure dps is solo, otherwise there's WAY too much variability.  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], i hit 4.7 k once in lycium on an encounter...that means nothing except that I had all kinds of procs, put on all my proc gear, and did it on a group encounter containing 6 mobs over a 15 sec fight.  <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#cccccc>Exactly! I once calculated a way to get 112K DPS with my Fury. Ive critted 4K on Starnova once in a while. So, lets say we head out to PoF, up near the monk training grounds where there are groups of 28 monks in training. Since a group had 28 warm bodies, and starnova hits the whole group, here's what you do. You get a crazy group together without encounter locking to work one of those groups down so that every monk is barely alive. Then you come along, from out of group, and <STRONG><FONT color=#999999>STARNOVA SMACKDOWN CRIT FOR 4K!</FONT></STRONG> Technically speaking, that's 112K DPS, and we're not talking Energy Vortex here. This is an extreme example of a favorable situational attack. I have so often seen healers touting 1K dps on a raid. To me, sustained DPS over the entire 4hour raid encounter is what you count, not one favorable encounter.</FONT>

[Boli32]

<div></div>Damage should mean nothing to a priest... yes even a fury. Its handy when soloing - useful in small groups but the amount of damage a priest can do is so overshadowed by the rest of the classes it isn't really worth the time.I was in a raid last night and just couldn't cast a single nuke b/c all the trash mobs went down within 3s, and the named I was ... you know.... healing.  When you're a priest you've really got to take a step back and realise that hold on that <i>guardian</i> is doing more damage than me, then you realise you're dps doesn't matter much ... at all.Yes I said it guardians can out dps furys... single mobs we're looking at 400-800dps <i>while healing</i> if we are in a dps group (varies a lot), guards can reach 800-1.2kdps <i>while tanking</i>. Each doing their task of either healing or tanking and a guardian can out dps us. now that's what I call humbling.Sure if we concentrate sololy on damage then yes we can out damage and put out some really nice parses but I would rather bring a warlock along, or a swashbuckler as they have more ways to kepe agro off them than we do (yes, even a warlock is better at agro control <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)<div></div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class=date_text>12-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:08 AM</span>

[CodeKill]

<DIV> <DIV>yeah now finally people see how much dps a fury can do I mean the eof aas have been out for like 2 years now and now all of a sudden people see that our aas enhance our dps quite a bit.</DIV> <DIV>You were right all along onyx /sarcasm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Onyx why do you like to place yourself in the line of a truck driving at fullspeed?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>12-08-2006</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:20 PM</SPAN> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** ******</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think he likes the pretty lights. Kinda like a deer caught in headlights. Just keep standing there, I'm sure someone will drive over you Onyx, honest.... </DIV> <DIV>Just one small point, your average non-raiding fury will never reach the 2k parse, even with the aa's unless they have a lot of plat to buy fabled gear and all their spells are mastered.</DIV> <DIV>Honestly I could care less about what I parse. If the MT stays alive and we make it thought hte raid with our clothes on, and we achieved what was laided out, Fury DPS means nothing in the big picture. I do however like to see my 5.5k Thunderbolts land as the finishing stroke to the mobs life. Gotta Love the Fury.</DIV></DIV>