A very angry and frustrated player...

[Goozman]

<div><p>So apparently Furies aren't allowed to be unhappy with things, because people refuse to believe anything is wrong with the class they've become hellbent on being jealous of (omg their whole world is a lie!); so we have to keep our issues to our own little forum so nobody has to be concerned with them.</p><p>I am 1 inch from trolling every class's board saying crap like "at least you don't (insert fury shortcoming)" like all the other freakin ingrates</p><p>If any other Fury wants to rant about stuff, reply to this!</p></div>

[Caliga]

I really like my fury, what's wrong with furies?<div></div>

[ChickenCasual]

<div></div><p>I for one also like the Fury. What I don't like is the ranting about Fury need a nerf. This I find disturbing since i believe Fury might be the best balanced char in the game.</p><p>The issues were fury might be better than the other priest classes are in some sense true. Though i would not say they are overpowered, due to the fact that fury is the attacking priest in the game. Fury dish out a fair amount of damage and rightfully so. Our brothers the Wardens, don't dish out as much damage as us but then again they are also the more defensive class with.</p><p>If we now compare us with the Inquisitor and templar then it's true that we give a lot more damage. This is an issue i to some degree can understand that they would complain about. But again its not the fury that's overpowered it's rather the fact that those two classed got hit too hard with the nerf bat in regards of dps. I my mind the dps for inquis, templar should be upped somewhat. But bare in mind that they are still pure healers and heal way better than fury or warden.</p><p>Now when i hear other none priest classes yell nerf i cant really do anything else but laugh of this. No priest class can solo like the rest of the classes. Sure priests can solo. Fury can deal a fairly large amount of damage in solo encounter. "if we can cast them due to stuns and interrupts" Fury can only wear light armor and therefore take a lot of damage.</p><p>I cant say i know a lot about wardens in solo so i will not say anything about them</p><p>Inquis: they have heavy armor and can therefore take a fair beating. Shame that there dps got nerfed so hard.</p><p>templar. Same thing as Inquis</p>

[Goozman]

<div>If u notice, whenever a Fury issue is brought up on the general (non class specific forums) they are bombarded by other classes with delusions of Fury godliness. Just recently 2 posts about call of storms were locked because Furies apparently aren't allowed to have an issue with anything... we must maintain the illusion of being incredibly overpowered, to give other classes something to complain about.</div>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><div>Ive spoken with some mods about the thread locking and the 1st thread about call of storms was locked because people started to flame, we all know who, it wasnt the fury community getting the thread locked but some well known trolls.</div><div>The 2nd thread was locked because it is against forum rules to repost a thread with the same topic, as it was obvious "people werent able to control themselves".</div><div>So by the guidebook trolls get rewarded with locked threads and people who want to discuss some issues like the severely flawed call of storms get punished.</div><div>The 2nd thread again was trolled upon by some people who had nothing to do but post some smart [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] comments, even after I asked them politely to please leave the thread alone and try not to post anything off topic, so yeah thank you mr defiler for getting this thread locked.</div><div> </div><div>Just in real life the law seems to be in the favor of people who do wrong.</div><div> </div><div>And I agree gooz it seems furies arent allowed to post any issues we have with some spells, because the well known forum trolls will jump on it and try to derail it and start flames and get rewarded with a nice locked thread.</div><div>This way of moderation is very flawed.</div><div> </div><div>I have posted on other class'forums but only on issues where furies were brought into the discussion I dont know why some people just post in a thread which doesnt concern them at all, just like our defiler and templar friend did, but yeah I of course know why they did.</div><div>Its because theyre trolls and I hope the mods take some action against them and leave the people who are willing to discuss issues alone.</div><div> </div><div>I was a bit angry yesterday even more so as I got a reply from a mod saying how indecent my post to her was as I was foulmouthed because I used the word [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (the other word for donkey) twice when talking about these trolls and a nice link to the forum rules.</div><div>I dont like it when people hide behind a rulebook.</div><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:33 AM</span></p>

[osama]

I think the problem is rather, that the other classes are taking our 'kickass' attitude too litterary, I mean, if you play a fury the correct way, you ought to have a bit of attitude. Sure we have 2 nice nukes and OK healing, we are a 'jack of all trade class' which we can mold in various ways, which automatically means that we can aim for independent gameplay (soloing) as well as being useful at raids.I'm quite satisfied with the class as it is now, and even though we get hit a bit, I don't think it would damage us severely. Problem is, SoE doesn't seem to nerf "just a bit" but rather prefer to use a sledge hammer when they nerf classes.Anyway as things are now, I think it is rather the other classes that needs fixing, rather furys.. Because as you say, the class is very well balanced. Just look at the spell change list when they are rolling out patches, furys are almost never on that list, why? - well, because there are no need for it.Inqs, templars, defilers and mystics could use some fixing though.

[colonel75thr]

You know, I have to throw my 2 cents in here. I am a level 49 fury on AB and when I was in the mid 20's I hated this class. It seemed I could not solo anything my level or higher, heals barely helped (I would take 200 damage in 1 shot and heal 70) and the offensive spells were garbage. When LU19 hit we got hit hard as we lost alot of good spell lines.Now at 49 I love my fury. As someone said, we are the jack of all trades. We can cast some decent offensive spells (just paid to get firestorm adept III) and have good healing. I was blown away yesterday when I was in a group and healed our MT for 400 or so and then the warden healed him for over 1000! I thought I was the healer of this group lol..Anyway, furies are good the way they are.. Leave them be<div></div>

[kcirrot]

<div></div>I wrote the mods about those posts too.  Despite her protests, the trolls won that one.  :smileysad:

[Meeker]

<div></div><p>I absolutely adore my Fury and yes i agree that it's hard for us to talk about any real issues because a soon as the thread comes up it sets itself on fire. I must admit whenever we get other classes talking about how much better we are than them i'm confused. Especially if those classes include Templars. I spend most of my time trioing with a Templar and a Guardian and the Templar not only acts as main healer but she does ghetto crowd control, debuffs, gets a nuke or two in and, in a pinch, can step in and tank if something goes very wrong. I suspect she's an very good example of her class but that's a great deal of utility form a group that claims to be useless.</p><p>I've realized that most of the threads the contain "I can't solo as well as a Fury" or "This line of spells isn't as good as the Fury's" actually translates to "I can't kill mobs as fast as i want to." or " I want that, along with what i already have." Also, the call for nerfs, which usually come from the PvP side actually translate to "I got pwned by a Fury and since it obviously can't be the way i play they must be overbalanced. NERF THEM."</p><p>Yes it is bloody frustrating and i too fear the nerf bat.</p>

[kcirrot]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Meekerme wrote:<div></div><p>I absolutely adore my Fury and yes i agree that it's hard for us to talk about any real issues because a soon as the thread comes up it sets itself on fire. I must admit whenever we get other classes talking about how much better we are than them i'm confused. Especially if those classes include Templars. I spend most of my time trioing with a Templar and a Guardian and the Templar not only acts as main healer but she does ghetto crowd control, debuffs, gets a nuke or two in and, in a pinch, can step in and tank if something goes very wrong. I suspect she's an very good example of her class but that's a great deal of utility form a group that claims to be useless.</p><p>I've realized that most of the threads the contain "I can't solo as well as a Fury" or "This line of spells isn't as good as the Fury's" actually translates to "I can't kill mobs as fast as i want to." or " I want that, along with what i already have." Also, the call for nerfs, which usually come from the PvP side actually translate to "I got pwned by a Fury and since it obviously can't be the way i play they must be overbalanced. NERF THEM."</p><p>Yes it is bloody frustrating and i too fear the nerf bat.</p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't fear a major nerf for Furies.  A tweak maybe, but not a gutting.  As we all know, Furies have little going for us other than damage.  We can hold our own in healing but it's not nearly as easy as the other healers and we have no defensive debuffs and even our buffs are focused more towards offense. </p><p>Despite there supposedly being no hybrids in EQ2, Furies are part mage part priest.  About 33% mage and 66% priest.  I think that's peachy with the devs.  I do think the Stormcaller line will get nerfed eventually though.  :smileytongue:</p>

[Echgar]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div><p>I am 1 inch from trolling every class's board saying crap like "at least you don't (insert fury shortcoming)"</p></div><hr></blockquote>Don't do that please!  It just makes more work for the moderators.</span></div>

[Echgar]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div>If u notice, whenever a Fury issue is brought up on the general (non class specific forums) they are bombarded by other classes with delusions of Fury godliness. Just recently 2 posts about call of storms were locked because Furies apparently aren't allowed to have an issue with anything... we must maintain the illusion of being incredibly overpowered, to give other classes something to complain about.</div><hr></blockquote>A couple of things here that several posters seem to be concerned over.1) If you see someone not adhering to the <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=faq&message.id=25">Forum Rules of Conduct</a>, please use the "Report Abuse to a Moderator" link.  It's impossible for us to keep up with every post being made on every forum and posters help us a lot by highlighting the problem posts.  If it's just a post or two that are an issue, that's easier to take care of then a few pages of it.2) If you have a Fury issue, the Fury Forum is the best place for it.  Posting in a more general forum with the hopes of getting more attention to your issue is just bound to attract the wrong kind of attention (from trolls or even a moderator for cross posting the same topic to multiple forums).  Developers are generally responsible for certain areas and the more specific forum you post in, the more helpful it is to the developers.</span></div>

[Bardrick]

<span><blockquote><hr>ChickenCasual wrote:<div></div>If we now compare us with the Inquisitor and templar then it's true that we give a lot more damage. This is an issue i to some degree can understand that they would complain about. But again its not the fury that's overpowered it's rather the fact that those two classed got hit too hard with the nerf bat in regards of dps. I my mind the dps for inquis, templar should be upped somewhat. But bare in mind that they are still pure healers and heal way better than fury or warden.<hr></blockquote>Please explain here,  I have a 41 Inquisiter, I just started a fury a few days ago.  He is in his teens now, but the HOT spells seem to be about the same power/heal ration level to level skill to skill as my inquisiter.  However, the constand flow of healing seems, ay least so far, a better way to keep people alive.  ESPECIALY when your monk, or assasin, or generally anyone but the main plate tank gets hit.I changed because we were grouped with a fury, he seemed to be healing my group better then I was.I dont care about damage to much, but I do care about keeping my group alive.Please give me your thought.  I dont want to level 40 levels and say "Darn, I was wrong".  Again, it could just be playing style.</span><div></div>

[mr23sgte]

<div></div><div></div><p>Regens are nice after everything is stabilized, but you will have to spam like crazy if the tank is taking alot of dmg off the bat. Thats where reactives and wards shine.</p><p>Furies do not have that instant cushion, if we can not keep up with the initial burst dmg by spamming then all is lost. This also tends to consume alot of power.</p><p>I noticed this gets harder the higher levels you get - but our 52 spell helps with this. I like the class, but be prepared for alot of button mashing.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by mr23sgte on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:30 AM</span></p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div><p>So apparently Furies aren't allowed to be unhappy with things, because people refuse to believe anything is wrong with the class they've become hellbent on being jealous of (omg their whole world is a lie!); so we have to keep our issues to our own little forum so nobody has to be concerned with them.</p><p>I am 1 inch from trolling every class's board saying crap like "at least you don't (insert fury shortcoming)" like all the other freakin ingrates</p><p>If any other Fury wants to rant about stuff, reply to this!</p></div><hr></blockquote><p>Fury's have so many problems, you couldn't list '1' in the original post.</p><p>I have a 42 Fury, and there is NO DOWNSIDE.  Totally Rock!</p><p>If there are problems, (could be above 42), I have no idea what they are.</p>

[kcirrot]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:I really like my fury, what's wrong with furies?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Not much really.  Call of Storms is a little weak for it's level.  I don't have it yet, but it doesn't seem worth a self-stun.  I don't mind the damage rate, but from seeing someone use it, I don't think it would be too overpowered to let us act with it.  Maybe a root.

[Asp728]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div><p>So apparently Furies aren't allowed to be unhappy with things, because people refuse to believe anything is wrong with the class they've become hellbent on being jealous of (omg their whole world is a lie!); so we have to keep our issues to our own little forum so nobody has to be concerned with them.</p><p>I am 1 inch from trolling every class's board saying crap like "at least you don't (insert fury shortcoming)" like all the other freakin ingrates</p><p>If any other Fury wants to rant about stuff, reply to this!</p></div><hr></blockquote><p>Fury's have so many problems, you couldn't list '1' in the original post.</p><p>I have a 42 Fury, and there is NO DOWNSIDE.  Totally Rock!</p><p>If there are problems, (could be above 42), I have no idea what they are.</p><hr></blockquote><p>No Downside?  There are issues above level 42.  I can't even remember what level 42 was like, TBH.  But I know what T7 is like (to my level).  Our heals are quick, but small in comparison to other healers.  Some spells that could be very useful have stipulations on them that makes them not viable to use (especially if you are the only healer).  And interrupts...no comment.</p><p>As a side note, you play a Templar.  eh....nevermind.  This isn't worth the argument.  Suffice to say, we have issues like every other class.  Whether you want to believe it or not.</p>

[vochore]

<div></div><blockquote><p>No Downside?  There are issues above level 42.  I can't even remember what level 42 was like, TBH.  But I know what T7 is like (to my level).  Our heals are quick, but small in comparison to other healers.  Some spells that could be very useful have stipulations on them that makes them not viable to use (especially if you are the only healer).  And interrupts...no comment.</p><p>As a side note, you play a Templar.  eh....nevermind.  This isn't worth the argument.  Suffice to say, we have issues like every other class.  Whether you want to believe it or not.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>except for call of storms which is the main issue with this and several other threads that have been locked  what issues do you have with furies.</p><p>i personally from level 63 and up to level 68 which i made last night main heal almost every zone in kos except for hof.</p><p>most times the only time i bring in a sec healer to one of my grps is so i can dps in the zone instead of heal all the time...being main healer for me gets boring after a while and the only excitement is when we get 5 or 6 mobs on us...and then the fun begins.</p></blockquote><p>Message Edited by vochore on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:57 AM</span></p>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><p>Btw cold did you ever admit that furies dont have a kickass debuff aka snare like you stated which really made the the difference between templars and furies?</p><p>Anyways thanks for illustrating the point of the op <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:22 AM</span></p>

[Meeker]

<div></div><p>No downside? Well, maybe not but there are things that could be improved, as with any class. That's the point of this thread. We, as Furies, know that our class is wonderful but not perfect. Like any other class we would like it to be perfect. That, of course is impossible but a Druid can dream, right? So, in the spirit of improvment here are some things i'd like to see...</p><p>More scimitars at all levels. I prefer them. No real reason. I just like to see my Fury hacking at mobs, sword in hand. There are so few that are worth buying.</p><p>More leather with WIS/INTEL stats. Most of it seems geared towards monks thus it carries STR/STAM.</p><p>A slightly lowered cast time for nukes. As i said above, i roll with a Guardian and a Templar so, i'm never called upon to be main healer. Therefore, i get to nuke things...a lot...and i enjoy this aspect of my character. I want to be faster at it.</p><p>A broader range of spells. The main reason i chose this class is the ability to be jack of all trades. I'd love to get a low power paci/mez/stun that actually works.</p><p>EVAC! Some Mages can evac. Wardens can evac, i believe. Freaking Scouts can evac. But i can't evac. That makes me pout, which is not a pretty thing. lol I want my evac back.</p><p>I realize that some of this may be game breaking and i'm not saying that all or even any of it should be implimented. I just want it.</p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>quetzaqotl wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Btw cold did you ever admit that furies dont have a kickass debuff aka snare like you stated which really made the the difference between templars and furies?</p><p>Anyways thanks for illustrating the point of the op <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote><p>Snare says it lowers 'movement speed' not 'attack speed', but it makes a 'huge' difference in combat, and I see other fury's my level (42) using it all the time.</p><p>You don't like it/use it/believe it fine, but it makes a difference.</p><p>As to someone mentioning 'interupts', yeah play a Templar.  interupts 3 of 5 castings all the time.</p><p>And the fury has no downside.</p><p>Fury heals are smaller, but the heals are NOT HALF and the cast times are HALF, so over time fury heals the same as a Templar.  I have done the math, Fury will be behind a few or ahead a few depending on which second of combat.</p><p>The have utility, and at 42, compared to my 43 Templar no, no, no downside.</p><p>Still waiting to see someone actually post a problem.</p><p>I took on a room full of heroics in nek castle, and won.  Templar would not have lasted 30 seconds.</p><p>I am not 'trolling other boards', I have a Fury level 42. </p><p>btw /sarcasm doesn't come across in type.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by CoLD MeTaL on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:41 PM</span></p>

[mr23sgte]

<div></div><div></div><p>You can always tell a true Templar at heart .................but here are a few problems</p><p>1) Nukes have long recasts</p><p>2) Swarm - I never see this alleged interrupt or power drain and Feast lines need work ---</p><p>3) LVL 45  Group invis - For god sake, could you people in my group stop breaking it and getting me killed</p><p>4) LVL 65 Call of Storms - Remove Stun or increase chance to hit</p><p>How about a root or even a stun, so I can stop playing button mash, when I solo.</p><p>Message Edited by mr23sgte on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:39 AM</span></p>

[Asp728]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote>Snare says it lowers 'movement speed' not 'attack speed', but it makes a 'huge' difference in combat, and I see other fury's my level (42) using it all the time.</blockquote><p>You don't like it/use it/believe it fine, but it makes a difference.</p><p>As to someone mentioning 'interupts', yeah play a Templar.  interupts 3 of 5 castings all the time.</p><p>The have utility, and at 42, compared to my 43 Templar no, no, no downside.</p><p>I took on a room full of heroics in nek castle, and won.  Templar would not have lasted 30 seconds.</p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>Snare....does not decrease mob DPS.</p><p>I mentioned interrupts.  And I don't want to play a Templar.   My fury gets interrupted.  I don't care about cleric issues.  Take them to your cleric board.  As pointed out so many times in that hateful forum, this is our board.  We can post what we think are our issues.  There have been a few posts already listing a few things people would like to have looked into.  Read the entire thread.</p>

[Meeker]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:<p>Snare says it lowers 'movement speed' not 'attack speed', but it makes a 'huge' difference in combat, and I see other fury's my level (42) using it all the time.</p><p>You don't like it/use it/believe it fine, but it makes a difference.</p><p>As to someone mentioning 'interupts', yeah play a Templar.  interupts 3 of 5 castings all the time.</p><p>And the fury has no downside.</p><p>Fury heals are smaller, but the heals are NOT HALF and the cast times are HALF, so over time fury heals the same as a Templar.  I have done the math, Fury will be behind a few or ahead a few depending on which second of combat.</p><p>The have utility, and at 42, compared to my 43 Templar no, no, no downside.</p><p>Still waiting to see someone actually post a problem.</p><p>I took on a room full of heroics in nek castle, and won.  Templar would not have lasted 30 seconds.</p><p>I am not 'trolling other boards', I have a Fury level 42. </p><p>btw /sarcasm doesn't come across in type.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by CoLD MeTaL on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:41 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ccffff">Also a lvl 42 Fury. I never use Snare. In my opinion, it's useless. What i wouldn't give for a paci or a stun.</font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">Interrupts have more to do with Agility and whether or not you're carrying a shield in your off hand than anything else. If you are getting interrupted all the time you might want to look at your gear, and ensure that you carry a one-handed weapon and a shield.</font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">I play with a Templar every day and toe to toe we can take on the same mobs. It takes her longer, as her DPS is lower , but she can take out anything i can due to her plate mitigation. </font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">While i feel that your complaints may be valid, i think you are best suited to fix them. If you've upped your Templar's Wis to the detriment of AGI, or your Templar is carrying a two-hander while soloing you will be subject to many more interrupts than if you sacrificed some WIS for AGIL and swapped the two-hander for a one-hander and shield. </font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">The bottom line is Templars and Furies are great classes; and both have vaild complaints. While your Fury may seem easier than your Templar that doesn't invalidate our concerns.</font></p><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:28 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:19 PM</span></p>

[Kendricke]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Asp728 wrote:As pointed out so many times in that hateful forum, this is our board. <hr></blockquote><p>We're not all hateful.  By the way, my fiance's Fury just hit 61 the other night, and we love to discuss pro's and con's of our classes.  You should see us duo.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><p>Lol Kendricke you of all people should know how hateful the templar boards are.</p><p>Ah well I must say for entertainment purposes the templar boards are sometimes fun to read.</p><p>But as you said all classes have pros and cons some people choose to see only the pros or only the cons.</p>

[Meeker]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Kendricke wrote:</p><p>We're not all hateful.  By the way, my fiance's Fury just hit 61 the other night, and we love to discuss pro's and con's of our classes.  You should see us duo.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><font color="#ccffff">Hi Kendricke. No, not all templars are hateful. Kendricke, for instance seems to be one of the most, logical, polite posters on their board. My high opinion of him may have something to do with the fact that he is one of those Templars who clearly loves his class. Also, he agrees with me a lot. Lol </font>

[Asp728]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kendricke wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Asp728 wrote:As pointed out so many times in that hateful forum, this is our board. <hr></blockquote><p>We're not all hateful.  By the way, my fiance's Fury just hit 61 the other night, and we love to discuss pro's and con's of our classes.  You should see us duo.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p><hr></blockquote>You are right, and I apologize.  Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. 

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div>No asp you are right and nice wording too you get a special a+ sticker from me hehe :smileyvery-happy:</div><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:34 AM</span></p>

[Dontan]

<div></div>At least you don't have it as bad as conjurors.

[CodeKill]

<div></div><p>I really like my Fury now, since the combat changes back in Sept, actually it made the Fury in my oppinion a class that can actually be of some use.  I was not a happy camper with my fury and I've been playing him since Dec 2004. But with all the game, zone, and ability changes, he can actually do well in most cases. I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I have a lot of time in behind the screen playing him.  For those [Removed for Content] that think we are godlike, just follow me around when I run into a 2 or 3 up mob, cause it's nasty, body parts all over the place, mine..hehehehe. But for a class that has steadly inmproved and didn't start out godlike like the rest of the classes, tough, if they want a good or fairly good working class let them create a fury and play, wardens althought the same druid class, completely out played us in the early days and were in high demand, just like pallys, rangers and warlocks. Now that they have been brought back into line and made semi-godlike, they have to have some class to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about and unfortunately its the furies. Personally I find my adept3 lvl 50 nukes still better then the lvl 60 nukes. Furies are an offensive healer, that can spam decent heals and nuke when required, and a hard core healer, like a templar we lack hot's and reactives, but put two furies or a fury and a warden together, and you have a defensive and offensive heal base, and templars can go pound sand.</p><p>Fury's Rock, the rest drool, get use to it, and get on with the game.</p><p> </p>

[quetzaqotl]

<div>Hmm omg whats wrong with conjurors?!! I have lvl 60 conj locked in perma sleep as I was sick of grinding after i hit lvl 70 in my fury did they give them even uglier pets this week?</div><div>Or did they not fix the stuck in combat bug for pets yet?</div><div> </div><div>Love my conjuror well at least when hes not d/l dubious vids of donkeys and women but thats another story ;0</div>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><p>Oh heya meg! (psst we have hots ;0 megs playing pvp too much!)</p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:54 AM</span></p>

[Meeker]

<div></div><font color="#ccffff">I also have a Conji, although mine is a low level alt and i have a question.</font><blockquote><hr>quetzaqotl wrote:<div> did they give them even uglier pets this week?</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#ccffff">Are uglier pets even possible? The only thing i can think of is that they gave them a pet that looks like our Rust Chicken.</font>

[CodeKill]

<div></div><p>HAHAHAHA Hey Bro, yeah we do my bad, but they could be better. Quetzaqotl has been my mentor since I started and I have a lot of time and respect for him, except that losey conjuror of his hehehehehe. Had to quit pvp bro, to frustrating, was going to kill something for real.</p><p>OH BTW Porcupine rocks.</p><p>PS jumping across for chain  success vs. drops   0 to 5 I hate that jump hehehehe</p>

[quetzaqotl]

<blockquote><hr>CodeKiller wrote:<div></div><p>HAHAHAHA Hey Bro, yeah we do my bad, but they could be better. Quetzaqotl has been my mentor since I started and I have a lot of time and respect for him, except that losey conjuror of his hehehehehe. Had to quit pvp bro, to frustrating, was going to kill something for real.</p><p>OH BTW Porcupine rocks.</p><p><strong>PS jumping across for chain  success vs. drops   0 to 5 I hate that jump hehehehe</strong></p><hr></blockquote>Nah Meg you are a natural <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Goozman]

<div>Wow... I must say I like how this thread turned out.</div><div> </div><div>And I don't want anyone to missunderstand me. I've been a Fury since god only knows when, and I play it pretty darn well. My issue isn't really with Fury abilities per se... it's with this false perception other classes have of Furies. Furies have problems like everyone else, but whenever a Fury voices an opinion over something (call of storms, for example) the thread becomes a one sided battle against the Fury class.</div><div> </div><div>I ask you tho, if Furies got nerfed... what would they nerf? Our heals are weak, our damage is weak in the grand scale of things, we offer no protection for our groupmates other than direct heals (which every priest has)... what would they nerf?</div><div> </div><div>I made a post on some other forum about how scaling levels are going to eventually kill the Fury, possibly in tier 8 we will see the effect of this. Furies are eventually going to either need a lot more damage or a lot more healing.</div>

[Meeker]

<div></div>I vote a lot more damage...but then i'm into the DPSness (it's a word if i say so) of Furies. I still want evac back. 

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><p>Yes as Ive said a loooong time ago when we all were waiting on the big holy fix for months thinking up on possible fixes for our broken class, Ive always liked the idea of a class adding a lot of dps to a grp that was back in the day furies were dps buffers with procs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (our int buffs are nice but most mages are int capped anyways and fae flames is situationaly of use and agitation is single target but nice).</p><p>We do more dmg now (slower tho) and thats cool too it fits the "furious" class, I wouldnt even mind if they would ve made furies a dmg dealing class only hehe a natures wizard (think vanguard is taking that approach), but where we are now is ok tho there are some issues and some even bigger ones in the future perhaps with what gooz said.</p><p>But who knows what will happen by that time, some ancient spells new aa's whatever to patch up some issues hehe we'll see.</p><p> </p>

[Budgiette]

Since eq2 started, we have seen people complaining about the 'uberness' of other classes.  This then results in that class having some nurf to them which drops them close to the bottom of the ladder.  The classes at the very bottom of the ladder get an upgrade which places them close to the top.  The classes now at the top get the complaints and another nurf is implemented  which moves the ladder around yet again!  It is a never-ending cycle that is even worse now that we have both Pve and Pvp servers.The funny side to it all, is that almost everyone has a low level fury that they created owing to the Fury Godliness!  However. no matter how godly they make us out to be, these alts never seem to increase in levels or rarely become someones main character.  Yet the fact that almost everyone has a low level fury gives them the right to flame our concerns to their hearts content!<div></div>

[ChickenCasual]

<div>Aye at the lower levels fury's might seems as they heal better due to the heal over time spells and the fast cast/recast timers on our spells.</div><div> </div><ul><li>The inquis reactive spells are very good and the splash heals are in general better than fury's when your are up against mobs that hit harder than Fury's heal over time spell can handle.</li><li>I wont say that inquis per definition is a better healer in groups just that they heal a larger amount. Best thing i have tried so far is a combo with inquisitor / fury.</li><li>bare in mind that fury is the toon that has the smallest heals in regards of pure numbers, but fury got the fastest heals compared to other priests.</li><li>all in all it's about player style and what you like. If i had to redo my toon i would pick fury over inquisitor. Not because of the heal "inquis would win on that" but due to the amount of damage a fury can dish out. Again this depends on if you solo a lot or group. If you only group i would pick inquisitor</li></ul>

[mystic5]

Like anything, we are better than all other classes at healing under the right circumstances and they are better than us under others.  Its all situational.  Personally, I don't regret my decision to go fury over Warden.  Templars and Inquisitors are good healers, but its their buffs that can make the difference in raids, not necessarily their heals.  Keep in mind that its not all about healing, many times its also about what else you can do for a group/raid that makes your class good.<div></div>

[kcirrot]

<div></div>The Templars got buffed and some of them still can't stop whining about Furies.  :smileysad:

[Goozman]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>I'm actually pretty angry at this imbalancing that's going on. It seems he who whines most reaps the most benefits.</div><div> </div><div>Templars are now capable of near warden dps without any of the deficiencies. They still get to maintain their superior healing abilities, superior mitigation, superior hp buffs, etc... I don't care that other priests get a dps buff, but druids should have gotten the same.</div><p><span class="time_text">And what a %$^& surprise, many of them still aren't satisfied.</span></p><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class="date_text">03-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:28 PM</span></p>

[kcirrot]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div>I'm actually pretty angry at this imbalancing that's going on. It seems he who whines most reaps the most benefits.</div><div> </div><div>Templars are now capable of near warden dps without any of the deficiencies. They still get to maintain their superior healing abilities, superior mitigation, superior hp buffs, etc... I don't care that other priests get a dps buff, but druids should have gotten the same.</div><p><span class="time_text">And what a %$^& surprise, many of them still aren't satisfied.</span></p><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class="date_text">03-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:28 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The priests all get four basic damage spell lines:  AT, Class, Sub-single, Sub-encounter.  The names changed along the way especially after the 1-20 game was changed.  But the basic two damage spells (Swarm and Whirl for Furies) are now basically equal across the AT.  Only the subclass nuke and the encounter nuke still have differentials.  But somehow certain members of the Templar community still can't be happy.

[Meeker]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>kcirrot wrote:<div></div> But somehow certain members of the Templar community still can't be happy.<hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ccffff">Because certain members seem to think that balanced equates to identical.  Example: My Templar friend and i can both kill roughly the same number mobs in an equal amount of time. She is able to kill mobs non-stop but kills them more slowly than i. I kill mobs faster but use more power and thus, am forced to regen power more often than she is. That is balance. We have similar capabilities while still maintaining our inherent differences.  </font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">Personally i am overjoyed that the classes retain recognizable differences. In fact i would be happier if they were more pronounced.  I would be thrilled to trade some of my healing capability for more DPS.  I realize that many Furies would not agree with me and i'm not calling for it. I'm just using it as an example. </font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">We're not all just Priests anymore. We are six distinct classes and it's time everyone embraces the differences.</font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">Also, i still want evac, and a hat that doesn't look like my grandfather's hearth rug, and the ability to stun something other than myself.</font></p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">03-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:34 AM</span></p>

[Asp728]

<div></div>I think some Templars have the EQ1 cleric so firmly stuck in their head that they feel they need to be on top of the food chain again.  The very overpowered "Holy Trinity" from EQ1.  That was a very egotisical and overpowered class.  And if it starts looking that way for EQ2 (read: whine whine whine until we get the best everything), i'll quit this game too.

[Meeker]

<div></div><div></div>I must say i'm proud of my fellow Furies. Yes we can get loud and angry with the best of them. Most recently when we thought we were going to lose the stack for the Predator line and our AA but we generally don't.  We have questions, they get answered. We have complaints, they are usually legit. You guys make me glad i chose Fury.<p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">03-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:52 AM</span></p>

[Asp728]

<div></div><div>After reading my own post, I want to clarify something.  I don't hate Templars.  Not in the slightest.  Some of the nicest people in my guild are Templars.  I've gotten along with every Templar i've ever met in game.  And there are a few People that post on those boards that I enjoy reading their posts.  Yes, as a Fury, i read other class boards.  i comment when I want.  How else are you supposed to learn a classes strengths and weaknesses if you don't actually play the class?  I've even met some of the more vocal posters there in game (whether they know it or not, I do hehe).  And they were nothing but polite.  So, to those that are logical, reasonable, not-screaming-for-Druidly-nerfage people, don't take my posts personal.  I don't hate any class and would not call for a nerf on other classes (check my post history if you'd like - I hope i'm right).  So it irks me to no end when I see people posting about how "overpowered" we are and how much "DPS" we can do.  To those people - you are truly clueless individuals who have no idea about the strengths and weaknesses of our class. </div>

[slayerwarrior]

if anything fury nukes are to strong 4k for healer i think u need a nerf more then anything.o say thanks to quetzaqotl he's reason i'm on here now!<p>Message Edited by slayerwarrior on <span class="date_text">03-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:18 PM</span></p>

[Meeker]

<div></div>/sigh

[colonel75thr]

<div>And just which class might you be?<span><blockquote><hr>slayerwarrior wrote:if anything fury nukes are to strong 4k for healer i think u need a nerf more then anything.o say thanks to quetzaqotl he's reason i'm on here now!<p>Message Edited by slayerwarrior on <span class="date_text">03-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:18 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote></span></div>

[Goozman]

<div></div>Ignore that slayerwarrior idiot. He's the warden's forum troll.

[Dragonreal]

<div></div>he's the warden forum's pet troll =/ sorry he found his way over here now -_-

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><p>lol there are trolls who make me angry and there are trolls who make me laugh, slayer you make me laugh :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:59 PM</span></p>

[Terron]

<span><blockquote><hr>ChickenCasual wrote:<div></div><p>Now when i hear other none priest classes yell nerf i cant really do anything else but laugh of this. No priest class can solo like the rest of the classes. Sure priests can solo. Fury can deal a fairly large amount of damage in solo encounter. "if we can cast them due to stuns and interrupts" Fury can only wear light armor and therefore take a lot of damage.</p><hr></blockquote>My fury solos a lot better than my guardian (even with the improvements to guardian soloing in the last few updates).</span><div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pjackson wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>ChickenCasual wrote:<div></div><p>Now when i hear other none priest classes yell nerf i cant really do anything else but laugh of this. No priest class can solo like the rest of the classes. Sure priests can solo. Fury can deal a fairly large amount of damage in solo encounter. "if we can cast them due to stuns and interrupts" Fury can only wear light armor and therefore take a lot of damage.</p><hr></blockquote>My fury solos a lot better than my guardian (even with the improvements to guardian soloing in the last few updates).</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><div>My conjuror solos a lot better than my fury.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Goozman]

<div></div>lol. my conjuror, ranger, monk, and wizard solo a lot better/faster than my Fury. My paladin solos about the same speed but can do much tougher mobs.

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div>misposted</div><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:26 PM</span></p>

[magvaio]

<div>A few people have already said it, when they were originally making classes they got lucky and the fury came out [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near perfect ,,,, offense defense,,,,heals nukes,,,, instead of trying to get our class nerfed maybe you should be more concerned with getting yours fixed ,,,,,,,For all your argumentative needs please contact Alderin on MIstmoore,,,,i love a good squable !  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,have a nice day  <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>We are by no means "near perfect" we are ok on the whole, but we do have our flawed spells etc. you're feeding the whole idea that furies have nothing to "complain" about or should just keep their mouth shut and be happy we arent getting nerfed.</p><p>The idea of "furies should keep quiet" is what started this whole topic, as that was what destroyed some threads by some well known trolls.</p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:54 AM</span></p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Some of us were just curious what the problems were.  Mine is only level 42, but I haven't found a single thing I would say needs to be corrected/changed/modified/made better.</p><p>So far, I have seen a spell or 2 that people believe does not do 'enough' damage, and interupts.  Not much else.</p><p>For the title, one would expect a tad more.</p><p>And the description of 'interupts' and fizzles seemed to indicate that he person would only be happy with none, which doesn't seem realistic.</p><p>I for one (don't know about the people you are talking about) don't feel 'furies should keep quite', but would just like to hear a 'real' complaint if you have one.</p><p>EDIT: sorry</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by CoLD MeTaL on <span class="date_text">03-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:03 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by CoLD MeTaL on <span class="date_text">03-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:48 PM</span></p>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Cold read the forums better there have been multiple spells mentioned  on another thread, with suggestions, you should try and read it.</div><div>This thread isnt about being angry cause we have some flawed spell this thread was about not being allowed to discuss</div><div>a broken spell on the spells and ca page cause some people believe furies should just shut the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>Btw nice anology there with the peas and all, nice way to subtly try to flame the whole fury community on their own boards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> btw imo the spoiled kids would be the ones getting a nice bump in dps in lu21 yet theyre still whining.</div><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">03-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:01 PM</span></p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<div></div><p>I AM part of the Fury community, so your ad hominem attacks don't make sense to me.</p><p>I can't obviously read all of these forums, I have been reading this thread, I haven't seen this 'another thread' yet.</p><p>Again, as a level 42 Fury, I haven't found anything that is a problem, or needs to be changed.  You have, I'm listening.</p><p>Is that infuriating to you?</p><p>And yes, I am still snaring mobs very effectively. lol </p><p>I really don't understand your animosity, and i was not aware that your threads on flawed/broken spells were locked deleted from the spell and CA forum.</p><p>A nice bump in dps, woot, my level 45 smite on my Templar went from 165 to 179 possible damage, what is your 45 highest damage?  My 42 Fury has one that hits for over 1k.</p><p>please point me to the other thread then, because I missed it.</p><p> </p>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><p>you couldve expected some hostility after your little pea story, so Im not really feeling like holding your hand you should try and read the forums more if you feel part of the fury community.</p>

[Litermin]

I thought your post was pretty reasonable, until the last part. I'd have to agree, the part about the peas was a bit patronizing. I can't imagine how you'd be surprised that someone would take offense to that. I call it baiting.<div></div>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<div></div><p>I apologize, it wasn't really meant that way.  (and has been edited)</p><p>I don't see 100s of fury's leaving the game, or playing alts because of their 'issues'.  (Argueably this has not happened to any class)  The overall flavor of the Fury boards is a rock out experience for people who are enjoying the game.  I think that is great.  So there are a few 'issues', doesn't everyone have issues.  I was not aware that some people had been prohibited from discussing their issues by SOE.  I am not aware of the issues mentioned and with a perusal of the first page of the fury baords, this was really the only 'complaint' line I noticed.  (I rarely get past the first page)</p><p>I have 7 characters, and the Fury is the abolute best class of all of them. </p><p>I haven't ever posted anything on the Fury boards, other than the FURY ROCKS!</p><p>And I still believe that.</p><p> </p>

[Meeker]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:<div></div><p>I apologize, it wasn't really meant that way.  (and has been edited)</p><p>I don't see 100s of fury's leaving the game, or playing alts because of their 'issues'.  (Argueably this has not happened to any class)  The overall flavor of the Fury boards is a rock out experience for people who are enjoying the game.  I think that is great.  So there are a few 'issues', doesn't everyone have issues.  I was not aware that some people had been prohibited from discussing their issues by SOE.  I am not aware of the issues mentioned and with a perusal of the first page of the fury baords, this was really the only 'complaint' line I noticed.  (I rarely get past the first page)</p><p>I have 7 characters, and the Fury is the abolute best class of all of them. </p><p>I haven't ever posted anything on the Fury boards, other than the FURY ROCKS!</p><p>And I still believe that.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ccffff">Yes, every class has issues, but the we do try to make valid points about our issues and ask for small things we wish we had, like, just for example, EVAC. Ahem, but that could just be my thing. </font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">It wasn't so much SOE or their mods that made it difficult for us to talk about our valid issues. It was more certain members of other classes who won't let Furies get a word in edgewise because they are too busy whining about their own issues. </font></p><p><font color="#ccffff">Who, me, bitter? What are you talking about?</font></p><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">03-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:07 PM</span></p>

[Asp728]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:<div></div><p>I AM part of the Fury community, so your ad hominem attacks don't make sense to me.</p><p>I can't obviously read all of these forums, I have been reading this thread, I haven't seen this 'another thread' yet.</p><p>Again, as a level 42 Fury, I haven't found anything that is a problem, or needs to be changed.  You have, I'm listening.</p><p>Is that infuriating to you?</p><p>And yes, I am still snaring mobs very effectively. lol </p><p>I really don't understand your animosity, and i was not aware that your threads on flawed/broken spells were locked deleted from the spell and CA forum.</p><p>A nice bump in dps, woot, my level 45 smite on my Templar went from 165 to 179 possible damage, what is your 45 highest damage?  My 42 Fury has one that hits for over 1k.</p><p>please point me to the other thread then, because I missed it.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>Hm.  I read all the priest boards a lot (work is soooo boring).  You claim we are a nearly perfect class and have no faults.  Pretty much every other fury has said otherwise.  But you fail to acknowledge these deficiencies and you say you don't see them.  You've posted that we have an achievement ability that is always on and has a chance to proc a crit heal or a crit nuke.  Untrue.  You've posted that snare greatly reduces mob DPS.  So untrue that it still makes me laugh.  And you defend these wild claims even when Furies say it is not true.  Plus the fact that you post these on the Templar boards (like we don't get enough issues from there as it is).  Maybe if you had posted these questioins on the FURY boards instead of the Templar boards you'd have recieved a better response.  As it stands now, I view your posts as nothing more than attempts to start stuff.  Because that's pretty much what they are.   It's funny I don't see you advocating how furies are lowest in the numbers for heals. </p><p>And having a toon doesn't make you a part of a community.  Contributing to the well being and betterment of a community makes you part of that community.</p>

[Thicket Tundrabog]

<div></div>My main is a Fury and has been since EQ2 came out.Except for the occasional bug or minor complaint, I love my class and see no fundamental issues. I can solo effectively. I play a useful role in groups or raids. I see zero reason for either a significant improvement or a major nerf of the class. I don't worry much about whether other classes are overpowered or nerfed badly. I don't play those classes. My interest in other classes is limited to how my Fury's abilities complement those of other classes.'nuff said.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Thicket Tundrabog on <span class="date_text">03-31-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:49 AM</span></p>

[Pucswift]

<span><span><blockquote><hr>CoLD MeTaL wrote:<div></div><p>I AM part of the Fury community, so your ad hominem attacks don't make sense to me.</p><p>I can't obviously read all of these forums, I have been reading this thread, I haven't seen this 'another thread' yet.</p><p>Again, as a level 42 Fury, I haven't found anything that is a problem, or needs to be changed.  You have, I'm listening.</p><p>Is that infuriating to you?</p><p>And yes, I am still snaring mobs very effectively. lol<font color="#ff0000">you still use snare?  lol i only use it raise subj.</font></p><p>I really don't understand your animosity, and i was not aware that your threads on flawed/broken spells were locked deleted from the spell and CA forum.</p><p>A nice bump in dps, woot, my level 45 smite on my Templar went from 165 to 179 possible damage, what is your 45 highest damage?  My 42 Fury has one that hits for over 1k.<font color="#ff0000">templars are already known to be the lowest dps so by comparing a templar to a fury is like an apple to a orange both have different rolls and most bugged spells are above 42 i'd say possible 50+ </font></p><p>please point me to the other thread then, because I missed it.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote></span></span><div></div>

[mystic5]

The spell in question is a Level 65 spell.  Get to level 65 then tell me that Furies are fine.  Until then, you are making comments about something you know nothing about.  And for the record, the OP was not complaining about the problems with the class, he was complaining about the Trolls that immediatley get any post about problems with Fury spells locked by flaming.  Perhaps if you took that into consideration before trying to hijack the thread you might reconsider posting.<div></div>

[Sunlei]

<div></div><p> I got lvl 62 woot! but it will take me a few more months to get 65, not many hours to play games <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>When I do get 65 and if that spell is still weak. I'll be posting the entire 16 seconds of my log on the spell forums asking what's up with this spell.</p><p>Though, just thinking about how mobs now hit me for 300-500ish solo at 62...I don't think I could last 16 seconds stunned, to even make a 16 second log:smileyvery-happy:</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[mystic5]

Try it on level 45 mobs...the damage will suck just as much.<div></div>

[Goozman]

<P>So this kinda furthers my anger. This was on an easy raid mob in Bonemire. Fought it with 3 groups, no special setups.</P> <P><IMG src="http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1807/tempvsfurywtf8rv.jpg"></P> <P>Wow, templars so needed a dps upgrade... I feel so sorry for all the whiners.</P> <P>So some info about this. I've maxed the INT line for damage, and he's maxed the STA line for damage. I've got 516 int(above max), a total of 37% chance to crit a spell, 3 items that proc dmg spells off of damage spells, etc. I am set up for damage. We are in the same group on this raid and have no bonuses from group members that add on to our damage (as you can see in the parse info, all the damage is from ourselves, no bards/chanters/etc.) </P> <P>So yeah, I thought this would be a good thread to post this in. Furies aren't allowed to post about issues, but Templars, who don't seem to have an issue, are... It's nice and dandy that Templars can do tier 3 dps (I'm making a point here, I don't care about the whole tier thing), but druids were 100% deserving of the same dps bonuses that other priests got.</P><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class=date_text>04-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:24 AM</span>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Yeah reading posts on the inq forums about them hitting 600-900 dps on a single heroic, makes me wonder.</P> <P>It's all nice that they now do ok dps too but whats the trade off, if this is whats its supposed to be then our buffing and debuffing needs a serious bump.</P> <P> </P>

[Boli32]

Furies have many issues - its just the way the classes can be set up that tends to highlight our advantages sometimes to such an extent that these issues seem like we are just complaining for the sake of it.Do a quick test, unequip all your items and drop all your buffs and look at your furies damage spells now; last time I checked I pretty much doubled my damage because of my high intelligence (337 @ lvl 50). Furies also get TWO buffs that increase our intelligence. Even if templars had the same nukes as us, chances are they won't have the same high intelligence that furies find so easy to raise; so they will STILL do less damage.Next comes our healing, fast recast timers and excelent group heals. We make ourselves look GOOD in healing (quite by accident) I've had a group praise me for pulling back the tank who was on single figure health up to full averting a wipe by the skin of my teeth (a couple of fizzles in reality caused the problem in the first place however but they don't seem to notice that) - in comparision a clerics of shamans healing well you never notice it as the tank stays pretty much on full health all the time which gets the group thinking "is he actually doing ANYTHING; debuffs & slows while  more useful in a group sense than a couple of nuke are also far less "showy" and something that you'll blink and you'll miss spells.We do have our problems - its just our advantages are so plain to see by everyone and everyone knows Furies can nuke for over 1k but ask the same group what debuffs a templar ships with and they'll be at a loss.At lvl 50 we have a good range of spells that allow us to expand upon our healing role and if we have time we can layeth the smacketh down nothing close to the DPS of a true DPS character but enough so we can see the mobs health drop slightly.I'm happy with my fury I just wish we had another deagro spell sometimes.

[Findara]

Personally I really love the fury. I would like to see us take on a more oposit role of wardens, or even crank up the heals so we are close to wardens.   Sure we get some nice damage spells, our 52 heal and 58 group heal are wonderful aditions.  We are after all the highest damage healer, but why do wardens get the DPS dogs while we get Ring of dont move at all fire.   Wardens get Group cure of godlyness while we get .. Stun me and do 100dps aoe of suck (but [Removed for Content] as all hell spell animation).  I love being a jack of all trades, but I just dont think that a dedicated healer (cleric) or a dedicated buff/debuff (shaman) should get summonable pets that can assist their damage while we get Stun me AoE of suck.  I know the shaman pet is an AA, and it dosent exactly do more than 50dps or so unless its buffed with the damage procs, but these are just examples of almost free dps.  Wardens get swarm pets that do in the range of 50-100dps on a single target, we get ring of never gunna use it on a raid fire,  how can people [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about my 4k(crit on a M1 nuke mind you) damage nuke?  Sure its a lot but its not up very often and the casting time is Hella long.  Where is my swarm pet? give me some wasps or bees I can send at the mob, or even bring back booboo of suck (well booboo with a damage proc <span>:smileywink:</span>) so that i can have some free damage.  Just seems like they are giving every one their old eq1 abilities back but not the druids.  Clerics got the Hammer, Shaman got the Dog, how about druids get some qud kite action, no really how about giving furies a group port to KoS spell (oh and evac while your at it), or if thats too much give us a long reuse 75% heal <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Findarato wrote:<BR>Personally I really love the fury. I would like to see us take on a more oposit role of wardens, or even crank up the heals so we are close to wardens.   Sure we get some nice damage spells, our 52 heal and 58 group heal are wonderful aditions.  We are after all the highest damage healer, but why do wardens get the DPS dogs while we get <FONT color=#ff0000>Ring of dont move at all fire.</FONT>   Wardens get Group cure of godlyness while we get .. <FONT color=#ff3300>Stun me and do 100dps aoe of suck</FONT> (but [Removed for Content] as all hell spell animation).  I love being a jack of all trades, but I just dont think that a dedicated healer (cleric) or a dedicated buff/debuff (shaman) should get summonable pets that can assist their damage while we get <FONT color=#ff3300>Stun me AoE of suck</FONT>.  I know the shaman pet is an AA, and it dosent exactly do more than 50dps or so unless its buffed with the damage procs, but these are just examples of almost free dps.  Wardens get swarm pets that do in the range of 50-100dps on a single target, we get <FONT color=#ff0000>ring of never gunna use it on a raid fire</FONT>,  how can people [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about my 4k(crit on a M1 nuke mind you) damage nuke?  Sure its a lot but its not up very often and the casting time is Hella long.  Where is my swarm pet? give me some wasps or bees I can send at the mob, or even bring back <FONT color=#ff3300>booboo of suck</FONT> (well booboo with a damage proc <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN>) so that i can have some free damage.  Just seems like they are giving every one their old eq1 abilities back but not the druids.  Clerics got the Hammer, Shaman got the Dog, how about druids get some qud kite action, no really how about giving furies a group port to KoS spell (oh and evac while your at it), or if thats too much give us a long reuse 75% heal <SPAN>:smileytongue:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Lol qfe they shouldve hired you to name our spells in t7 hehe funny stuff.</P> <P>Ring of fire is a nice spell imo (tho it doesnt stack with forge and is just a lazy copy paste on the devs part) call of storms yeah "stun me aoe of suck" comes closest to how this spell is.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Goozman]

<DIV>After seeing a Templar outdamage me using very little power, I want more damage, heh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Higher crit chance, 15-20% dmg increase to dot's and nuke, and call of storms not sucking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm fine with my healing as long as my damage gets an upgrade... if I don't get a damage upgrade, then I'm not at all fine with my healing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>note: while their 100% crit chance probably should be lowered because of their massive dps buffs, I don't want to call nerf... but I should be much higher damage than Templars (so raise me, don't necessarily have to lower them)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class=date_text>04-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:28 PM</span>

[Meeker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Findarato wrote:<BR> Wardens get swarm pets that do in the range of 50-100dps on a single target, we get ring of never gunna use it on a raid fire,  how can people [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about my 4k(crit on a M1 nuke mind you) damage nuke?  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Jealousy?</P> <P> I understand that it's bloody annoying to see every post about spells or DPS on that certain other class' board turn into a whine about how we can do everything better than they can. (I have my own theories about the source of the argument which involve gear choices and players skill but that's a discussion for another time.)</P> <P>While i feel that certain other classes have been given things that should have been shared or would have preferred to seen given to us the question i have is this...What are you willing to give up? I'm willing to give up some healing power in order to do more DPS. I realize that many, many other Fury players wouldn't give up their healing ability for anything and would be happy to give up a little DPS for better heals. What are you willing to give up? The point i'm making is: This is the problem of a Jack-of-all-trades class. We don't get to specialize and we don't get special treatment.</P> <P>However i do agree that we should have EVAC. Just to stay consistent. </P>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Well personally I would like to see a fix for call of storms (make it a pet and so unstunning us when used), and make fae pyre proc of any offensive ability/spell.</P> <P>At least our offensive ability would go up a little (when cos isnt a pos) and our fae pyre would make more sense.</P> <P> </P>

[Goozman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Meekerme wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Jealousy?</BLOCKQUOTE> <P> I understand that it's bloody annoying to see every post about spells or DPS on that certain other class' board turn into a whine about how we can do everything better than they can. (I have my own theories about the source of the argument which involve gear choices and players skill but that's a discussion for another time.)</P> <P>While i feel that certain other classes have been given things that should have been shared or would have preferred to seen given to us the question i have is this...What are you willing to give up? I'm willing to give up some healing power in order to do more DPS. I realize that many, many other Fury players wouldn't give up their healing ability for anything and would be happy to give up a little DPS for better heals. What are you willing to give up? The point i'm making is: This is the problem of a Jack-of-all-trades class. We don't get to specialize and we don't get special treatment.</P> <P>However i do agree that we should have EVAC. Just to stay consistent. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well other priests just got our dps without sacrificing anything... So I don't think it necessary for us to lose any of our lackluster abilities for more damage

[Sunlei]

<P>hehe there is nothing left to 'give up'. </P> <P>Furys can't debuff their own damage spells like some priests can, and soe gave mobs much higher resistances these days. </P> <P>So nukes always hit for less, a lot less then full damage. </P> <P>The furys damage shield was reduced to 3 mob max and damage was cut so much that when it scales to lvl 6 it makes one damage:smileyvery-happy: </P> <P>The ds does 31 damage at 64 lvl at master two quality...with 400 intell! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...if its not resisted outright.</P> <P>They have not one area debuff...that was removed in lu 13. The wisdom debuff is so low its like 1 or 2 percent resist debuff.. intell. is left off of most fury armor and furys get less intell. even for aa points... this i guess to 'limit' damage.</P> <P>ring of fire has less then 200 hit points..it lasts about 1 second.</P> <P>everythings been cut..theres nothing left to cut or take away....everything sees invis.. we got totems..take invis away and gimmie some debuff that will do something mean to monsters..make my nuke land or something. Take invis.. and then put some intell. on the leather armor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Someone at soe  needs to take a look at druid debuffs...they were removed in LU 13 and never adjusted to fit with the combat revamp.</P> <P>and whats with the patch that said priest melee was improved...how? seems the same for druids..only my mystic and templar can hit almost every time for the fury its miss miss miss <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />..oh wait prolly cause fury doesn't have a debuff for that....hmmmm</P> <P> </P>

[Asp728]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunlei wrote:<BR> <P>hehe there is nothing left to 'give up'. </P> <P>Furys can't debuff their own damage spells like some priests can, and soe gave mobs much higher resistances these days. </P> <P>So nukes always hit for less, a lot less then full damage. </P> <P>The furys damage shield was reduced to 3 mob max and damage was cut so much that when it scales to lvl 6 it makes one damage:smileyvery-happy: </P> <P>The ds does 31 damage at 64 lvl at master two quality...with 400 intell! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...if its not resisted outright.</P> <P>They have not one area debuff...that was removed in lu 13. The wisdom debuff is so low its like 1 or 2 percent resist debuff.. intell. is left off of most fury armor and furys get less intell. Even for aa points... this i guess to 'limit' damage.</P> <P>ring of fire has less then 200 hit points..it lasts about 1 second.</P> <P>everythings been cut..theres nothing left to cut or take away....everything sees invis.. we got totems..take invis away and gimmie some debuff that will do something mean to monsters..make my nuke land or something. Take invis.. and then put some intell. on the leather armor <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Someone at soe  needs to take a look at druid debuffs...they were removed in LU 13 and never adjusted to fit with the combat revamp.</P> <P>and whats with the patch that said priest melee was improved...how? seems the same for druids..only my mystic and templar can hit almost every time for the fury its miss miss miss <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />..oh wait prolly cause fury doesn't have a debuff for that....hmmmm</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm trying to work on a list that is showing how other healers are being pushed up above us.  With the current scaling of spells, we will soon be pushed as strictly back up healers or crappy DPS.  As of last expansion, cleric buffed way more than us (over 1600 more hitpoints) as well as having superior debuffs (they could decrease physical on a mob by about 800 and divine by about 1000, melee and ranged skill debuffs and elemental debuffs).  Furies debuffed wis and agi by 61....wow...that made absolutely zero difference on a raid mob.  We get interrupted often and take some hard hits (yay leather).  Our "pet" last all of 2 seconds (mobs look at it and it dies).  Anyway, there are a ton of things they need to be fixed on furies.  And all those spells are just the T6 versions.  The T7 are even worse.  As soon as wards start parsing, I want to show that information as well (because i know wards are owning us in heals).  It'll take some time, but hopefully I'll get it done sometime soon.</P> <P>Certain priests whined and cried until they got a nice boost.  A regular poster above who i haven't seen exaggerate in the apst (so I tend to believe him), posted that he was outdamaged by a templar makes me wonder about the direction of our class.  Is SOE trying to make us into sub-par damage and only ok healers?  </P> <P>The squeaky wheel gets the oil, I guess</P>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Well im mostly raiding and so i dont see our templars dps a lot as theyre in heal mode as they should, but if what gooz posted happens on regular basis imagine how much dmg an inq can do.</P> <P>Ive read posts on their boards that they can do dps in the 900's on a single heroic mob.</P> <P>So yeah Im also curious about the fury vs templar parse caethre promised the templar community turns out <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:08 AM</span>

[Asp728]

I mostly raid also.  And our debuffs don't make a crap worth of difference on a raid mob.  Our buffs (heat / cold) are marginally usefull (warden can pretty much buff more with their wis buffs).  Not to mention with the gear made and dropped now, its not hard for a raid tank to get 7-8k in resists without us.  I haven't met one level 70 mage that doesn't have capped int.  Point is, we don't have anything that makes us stand out as needed on a raid (please no one say Urchin either....extremely situational.  We've never used it on any T7 raid).  And our only good proc spell can only be cast on one person.

[mystic5]

BOOBOO OF SUCK FTW! <div></div>

[radical_EDWARD]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>So apparently Furies aren't allowed to be unhappy with things, because people refuse to believe anything is wrong with the class they've become hellbent on being jealous of (omg their whole world is a lie!); so we have to keep our issues to our own little forum so nobody has to be concerned with them.</P> <P>I am 1 inch from trolling every class's board saying crap like "at least you don't (insert fury shortcoming)" like all the other freakin ingrates</P> <P>If any other Fury wants to rant about stuff, reply to this!</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I am a Defiler, I have to say that Fury is an awesome class. With two awesome extra direct heals your healing power is just insanely better than any cleric or shaman. You guys also have awesome dps, the reason people get on your case when you complain about Call of Storm (which is a totally legit issue if its broken) because even without Call of Storm your dps is already so much higher than any cleric or shaman. I have to say people might be envy of how fun and awesome your class is and are trying to put you down. I think Sony did a good job with the Fury class and Druids in general, theyre pure offensive healer and should have the kind of dps and healing that they have atm.

[Caethre]

OOC.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> quetzaqotl wrote:<BR> <P>So yeah Im also curious about the fury vs templar parse caethre promised the templar community turns out <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh I still intend to do this, but as I said elsewhere, it won't be soon. There is no point me doing it now, because my Lv63 + 5 APs Fury is still massively outdamaging my Lv66 + 10 APs Templar (her DPS is still close to double), but that is basically nothing changed since pre-KOS except the ~15% boost to nukes in LU21.</P> <P>Despite some issues (I still hate the interrupts, and a single target invis would make sense), I am still loving playing my Fury, and the class is still strong and well-balanced it seems at this point in her development. Ok, I don't have Call of Storms yet, so I can't comment on it, but I have read the threads on it and it might need looking at.</P> <P>However, my Templar does not yet have any of the new abilities that supposedly boost Templar DPS by the margins some are reporting. To make such parses realistic, I will need to get for her 8 ranks in Severe Judgement, which at this time gives clerics 100% melee criticals, which when combined with a very good KOS 2H hammer, a haste item and yaulp, can hugely boost a Templar's DPS when not healing. At this time, my Templar is nowhere near getting this skill, and it isn't going to happen soon, so there is no point in me spending the time setting up lots of controlled parses until she has.</P> <P>That said, I still believe when my Fury has an equal number of APs and levels, with equivalent gear, her DPS will be boosted too, though not by as much, but still enough to be ahead of my Templar by some margin, I suspect. Of course, I may be wrong here - only controlled parsing of DPS in solo (and possibly small group) settings would prove it one way or the other.</P> <P>[Comparisons under scientifically chaotic non-controlled raid settings and/or between widely different levelled, geared and AP'd characters is not valid - compare like with like in controlled and simple settings to get valid comparative data. I would take with a huge pinch of salt these extreme claims one person has made about 900 DPS for Templars. I read of a Fury claiming 1000 DPS pre-KOS under certain settings, and I didn't believe that as meaning anything real either. As in all things, look at the realistic and carefully measured and sustained numbers in realstic and simple-to-reproduce settings.]</P> <P>Felishanna / Annaelisa</P>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Mr rad read the thread before posting how much better dps we do or how insanely better we heal lol (btw there is no excuse for trolling a thread about a valid issue and getting it locked, Im not talking bout you but about the trolls on the spells and combat arts page).</P> <P>As for healing spells we dont have a healing pet nor do we have the lvl 50/70 oberon-ish special or torporor whatever proc heals proc stoneskins or whatever clerics/shamans get.</P> <P>We dont have the awesome great uber godly debuffs the shamans have and we dont buff hp by close to 2k.</P> <P>So yeah.</P> <P> </P> <P>And caeth yeah I spose it will take some time till a valid comparison can be made by you as I can imagine lvling +lvling aa's takes a while, but go read the inquisitor boards multiple people are making claims of doing 600 ish dps on a regular basis, btw it isnt hard to get a very good 2h weap for priests do blackscale sepulcher once and there you have it a blackscale maul.</P> <P>And gooz posted his comparison of templar vs fury dps that opens up some discussion.</P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:42 AM</span>

[Goozman]

I think that because my parser post ended up being the last post of page 3, people aren't looking at it. So feel free to go to page 3 of this thread and see it.

[Sunlei]

<P> I really don't care about damage parces very much. It's the gameplay for the fury  on how spells land resisted or partly resisted because the wisdom debuff doesn't do enough. The mobs have higher resists after the combat revamp..they do more arts, faster...druids need a debuff that actually debuffs enough. Like other priests. My furys spells never, hardly ever land for full and many times are resisted outright.</P> <P>Druids need a area debuff back again, they don't have any encounter debuffs. They have nothing that stacks. Seems to me like the area debuff was removed for the combat revamp and never replaced. Its missing from fury gameplay the ability to use a encounter debuff then stack a single target on one of them. This helps a lot with incoming damage. </P> <P>I like my fury very much, the spam a thon of heals and cures is pretty exciting, we could use some debuffs to do something about that incoming damage . We could use some better group buffs too.....a few more hit points on the group makes the healing not quite so crazy, some kind of procing cures, something like other priest classes.</P>

[Asp728]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunlei wrote:<BR> <P> I really don't care about damage parces very much. It's the gameplay for the fury  on how spells land resisted or partly resisted because the wisdom debuff doesn't do enough. The mobs have higher resists after the combat revamp..they do more arts, faster...druids need a debuff that actually debuffs enough. Like other priests. My furys spells never, hardly ever land for full and many times are resisted outright.</P> <P>Druids need a area debuff back again, they don't have any encounter debuffs. They have nothing that stacks. Seems to me like the area debuff was removed for the combat revamp and never replaced. Its missing from fury gameplay the ability to use a encounter debuff then stack a single target on one of them. This helps a lot with incoming damage. </P> <P>I like my fury very much, the spam a thon of heals and cures is pretty exciting, we could use some debuffs to do something about that incoming damage . We could use some better group buffs too.....a few more hit points on the group makes the healing not quite so crazy, some kind of procing cures, something like other priest classes.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree.  Like I mentioned before, we fell way behind in the buff / debuff department.  Clerics can buff thousands of Hit points while we buff a measly few hundred.  And once again, our debuffs are useless.  A complete waste of space on a hotbar.

[Meeker]

I have to agree on the debuff issue as well.

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Yeah anybody even feel the need to get maddening swarm?</P> <P>Its quite sad how this once great debuff got butchered to having no use at all.</P> <P>Indeed whats the use of giving us debuffs which dont do a thing whatsoever, its just filler.</P> <P>Actually most of the t7 spell line up was a let down.</P> <P>Some ideas for some of our lesser or straight broken/useless spells (I m writing this down fast so some ideas might be a bit mwah but lets discuss it)</P> <P> </P> <P># debuffs need a fix to be at least useful (give us back our old irr swarm) or just remove em and give us something else, for instance call lightning <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P># fae pyre, needs to proc of any offensive spell/ca/melee/ranged as its use is only warrented if youre in a grp full of straight up melee</P> <P># thornskin, needs to be based of the casters int instead of the int of the target (also the dmg needs to be upped)</P> <P># Call of storms needs a fix (still) turn it into a pet  and lose the stun and be done with it as it procs to little to warrent the stun</P> <P># Bloodlust, should be castable on multiple people make it take 1 conc if needed</P> <P># Bestial feast, the regen needs a serious boost or make it a direct heal with a low regen</P> <P># Prevend death spell, make the target revive with more health or a hvy mitig buff (ala urchin like 5k mitig for 10 secs or something like that) and  faster ticking hot</P> <P># Int buffs, int buffs are nice but when all mages are capped at their int lvl its not that much of a use add a sec effect like added spell crit chance</P> <P># Druid hp buffs, need to be upped some classes can buff close to 2k in straight hp vs our hp buff of 321 hp at master 1 our hp buff should be at least dubbled.</P> <P># Druid resist buffing, heat and cold are the easiest resist to cap being able to buff other resists is a serious advantage other priests have over druids, give us an extra ward against elemental dmg on our resist buff.</P> <P># Urchin/porcupine, turn the stun into a stiffle so that we can at least move while this spell is in effect.</P> <P># Lion buff, has too little of an effect when used it gives me 300 hp and 3% avoidance, it should give at least 600 hp and 10% avoidance imo</P> <P>K this is just from the back off my head <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:43 PM</span>

[mr23sgte]

<P>Awesome list guys - hope someone looks at these, I been sorta getting dissapointed in the lack of Dev response on our boards. I have been leveling my Monk --62 currently.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Dredful - 70 Fury Unrest</P> <P>Hereo - 62 Monk Unrest</P>

[Bi]

<blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>So this kinda furthers my anger. This was on an easy raid mob in Bonemire. Fought it with 3 groups, no special setups.</p> <p><img src="http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1807/tempvsfurywtf8rv.jpg"></p> <p>Wow, templars so needed a dps upgrade... I feel so sorry for all the whiners.</p> <p>So some info about this. I've maxed the INT line for damage, and he's maxed the STA line for damage. I've got 516 int(above max), a total of 37% chance to crit a spell, 3 items that proc dmg spells off of damage spells, etc. I am set up for damage. We are in the same group on this raid and have no bonuses from group members that add on to our damage (as you can see in the parse info, all the damage is from ourselves, no bards/chanters/etc.) </p> <p>So yeah, I thought this would be a good thread to post this in. Furies aren't allowed to post about issues, but Templars, who don't seem to have an issue, are... It's nice and dandy that Templars can do tier 3 dps (I'm making a point here, I don't care about the whole tier thing), but druids were 100% deserving of the same dps bonuses that other priests got.</p><p>Message Edited by Goozman on <span class="date_text">04-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:24 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>QFE add to this awful debuffs and mediocre buffs (int for uhm.. the scout grp on raids? - all mages have int maxed almost by default) the fact that we have almost NO mitigation was meant to be a tradeoff for the damage.. I'm one of the only healers that has to joust on (some) raids because I simply cannot mitigate and survive the AE..<div></div>