how is a fury at soloing? (better than a templar or shaman?)

[JackBurtonBTLC]

<div></div>how well can a fury solo?do they solo better than say a templar or shaman?<div></div><p>Message Edited by JackBurtonBTLC on <span class="date_text">01-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:11 PM</span></p>

[Age]

<div><blockquote><hr>JackBurtonBTLC wrote:<div></div>how well can a fury solo?do they solo better than say a templar or shaman?<div></div><p>Message Edited by JackBurtonBTLC on <span class="date_text">01-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:11 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I'm solo'ing a group of templars and shamans as I type this!</div>

[Aarrno]

I have no idea about the soloing abilities of a templar or a shaman but I will tell you what I did with fury soloing and you can take it as you want.At 59 I was able to solo heroics in silent city pretty easy.  My gear is nothing special but all my spells are adept3 or higher.  No arrow up ghost dogs were trivial while the ^^ ones were a bit harder but still easy. The groups of ^^ gnolls are doable but harder.  Same goes for the zombie/tome groups.  The ^^^ consuls of war are pretty hard to solo and not worth it because you will die a lot while trying.  The ghost dogs/gnolls/consuls of war I think are somewhere between levels 52 and 54.  Deeper in the stuff gets up to lvl 58 if I am remembering correctly.At 60 I don't solo very much but I would assume the above would be a bit easier.<div></div>

[Jynnan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Agena wrote:<div>I'm solo'ing a group of templars and shamans as I type this!</div><hr></blockquote><p>LOL!! Top reply ... says it all really! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[Caethre]

<div></div><div></div><p>OOC.</p><p>I cannot comment on Shamans, but I can tell you for fact, Furies are FAR better soloers than Templars.</p><p>Message Edited by Caethre on <span class="date_text">01-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:18 PM</span></p>

[ginfress]

<div></div>Without any doubt from the priest classes the fury solo's the best and the templar/shaman are far behind.

[Goozman]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>ginfress wrote:<div></div>Without any doubt from the priest classes the fury solo's the best and the templar/shaman are far behind.<hr></blockquote>That's not true. While furies solo easy mobs faster. Many things a shaman, inquisitor, and even warden can solo could not even be atempted by a Fury. A templar can survive a tough mob for like 10 minutes (where a Fury would die in under a minute), but actually killing it is a different story.

[SenorPhrog]

<span><blockquote><hr>Goozman wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>ginfress wrote:<div></div>Without any doubt from the priest classes the fury solo's the best and the templar/shaman are far behind.<hr></blockquote>That's not true. While furies solo easy mobs faster. Many things a shaman, inquisitor, and even warden can solo could not even be atempted by a Fury. A templar can survive a tough mob for like 10 minutes (where a Fury would die in under a minute), but actually killing it is a different story.<hr></blockquote>Fury can do some fast and furious damage but those long haul creatures will squash a Fury.   There aren't a ton of situations like that, but it'd be difficult to make a blanket statement.  Try taking a greyed out named or a grey Epic X2 as a Fury and you just might not make it.   For the average stuff though, Furies seem to pop out the damage (although its costly power wise to do so but that may just be me).</span><div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div>Just out of curiousity, do you have a fury radar?

[SenorPhrog]

<span><blockquote><hr>quetzaqotl wrote:<div></div>Just out of curiousity, do you have a fury radar?<hr></blockquote>If you read my posts from awhile back when I posted in here yes, quetzie...unlike you I have and play both classes.  The Fury is still on the lower end of the level scale but I'm high enough to see all the mechanics I'm going to before level 50.  They solo fairly well for a priest and looking at your sig you're obviouslly used to a Conjurer so now I understand where you wanting more DPS comes from (I got one of those too).</span><div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Ok Raddy was just curious no need to be hostile and no I havent read you had a fury as Im not that big of a fan of your (immense) work <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>And yes to the op furies solo very well especially against groups of mobs, so yeah soloing up to 50 isnt a problem past 50 it would be wiser to grp and get xp as the xp starts to slow down the higher you get <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But yeah furies are a nice solo class they solo trash the quickest of all healers (wardens come close but are more single target-aimed).</p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">01-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:41 AM</span></p>

[SenorPhrog]

<span><blockquote><hr>quetzaqotl wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Ok Raddy was just curious no need to be hostile and no I havent read you had a fury as Im not that big of a fan of your (immense) work <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">01-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:39 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The Fury isn't a bad class to play.  I'm not a fan of the armor (when you get hit it hurts....bad) and HoT's take a little getting used to but the nukes are pretty dang good and the buffs seem to be on par with every other class.  My immense work....lol.  I'll give you immense, but I can't grant you it's "work."</span><div></div>

[Tubbycat]

I have tried soloing and I couldn't do it - way too boring. which is why I'm very happy that me and my hubbie berserker play together!and as for the armour.. in T6 I have opted to wear the cloth armour which have superior WIS stats to the leather. Lucky for me my other half is a good tank.. hehe he hasn't got me killed yet at any rate <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />No, not even when we duo'd Roost at 54...

[Slinkie]

I am definitely not an expert on this, but I have the following characters (among my many alts):52 mystic30 templar28 furyI did not really enjoy soloing my fury until level 23 when I received Strike of Thunder and upgraded it to adept III.  Prior to that time, the fury just didn't do damage fast enough to make soloing interesting, and couldn't survive as long as a shaman/mystic at the same level.  My fury can solo well, but I agree that he can't last as long as my mystic or templar in a tough fight.My mystic can solo many things my fury can't, but it takes FOREVER to do.  While I solo a good deal with my fury, I tend to duo or group with my mystic so that I have a prayer of killing a mob in under 5 minutes (yes, that is an exaggeration).  I did a decent amount of soloing with her pre-40, but after level 40 she has soloed very little.My templar is, honestly, my least favorite of the three (since my schedule lends itself more toward soloing/duoing).  I would never solo with her (since she is even slower than the mystic), but she is VERY good in a group.<div></div>

[kcirrot]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Slinkie wrote:I am definitely not an expert on this, but I have the following characters (among my many alts):52 mystic30 templar28 furyI did not really enjoy soloing my fury until level 23 when I received Strike of Thunder and upgraded it to adept III.  Prior to that time, the fury just didn't do damage fast enough to make soloing interesting, and couldn't survive as long as a shaman/mystic at the same level.  My fury can solo well, but I agree that he can't last as long as my mystic or templar in a tough fight.My mystic can solo many things my fury can't, but it takes FOREVER to do.  While I solo a good deal with my fury, I tend to duo or group with my mystic so that I have a prayer of killing a mob in under 5 minutes (yes, that is an exaggeration).  I did a decent amount of soloing with her pre-40, but after level 40 she has soloed very little.My templar is, honestly, my least favorite of the three (since my schedule lends itself more toward soloing/duoing).  I would never solo with her (since she is even slower than the mystic), but she is VERY good in a group.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>After the 1-19 revamp, the early grind to Fury uberness is going away.  Although Wardens for some reason get great fire nukes at low level, Furies from level 1-19 solo MUCH better than Priest/Druids did.</p><p>For Furies after you get your AoE Fire Nuke at 32, it's gravy from then on.  I'm just hoping they added one at 18 for the young'uns.</p>

[Brassrail]

<div></div>Don't take the bait... boast lead to a smack with the nerf bat.

[Lego]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Brassrail wrote:<div></div>Don't take the bait... boast lead to a smack with the nerf bat.<hr></blockquote><p>It's hardly a boast, it's basic common knowledge.  Both druid subs solo just fine.  And are the best at it (as far as xp per time spent) within the priest archetype.</p><p>Personally, I'm glad I didn't solo my Fury from 50 to 60.  I can't hardly stand finishing quests with him as it is.  It's too slow for my taste.  Now my ranger and warlock on the other hand....soloing bliss. </p>

[StixxliteAZ]

<div></div>I've done a ton of Solo'ing most of my Fury life and haven't had many problems (hence now I'm up to 850+ quests completed)At lvl 60 I can take on 52-54 Heroics and have a great Fight and still comeout on top.Love my Fury and you will Love yours.<div></div><p>Message Edited by StixxliteAZ on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:31 AM</span></p>

[Caethre]

<div></div>OOC.<blockquote><hr>Lego23 wrote:<div></div><p>Personally, I'm glad I didn't solo my Fury from 50 to 60.  I can't hardly stand finishing quests with him as it is.  It's too slow for my taste.  Now my ranger and warlock on the other hand....soloing bliss. </p><hr></blockquote><p>Nothing you said here is wrong, it is your experience, but it made me laugh out loud in how it is the exact opposite to how I felt (and feel) about it. You see, it is all down to what you are used to and what you are comparing against.</p><p>I soloed about 90% of the XP from 50 to 60 as Annaelisa. What is more, I loved it, and considered it super-fast! The idea that I could mow through mobs at "lightening-pace" (that is how it feels to me) and* still be a powerful healer was fun fun fun.</p><p>But ...</p><p>Then you have to look at what I have been used to. Until I created my Fury after LU15, I had only ever levelled a Templar. Compared to a Templar, the soloing of a Fury seemed like suddenly having super-hero powers! Firy soloing is not just "a little better" than Templar, it is night and day!</p><p>Now if I ever level Suzanna-the-Conjuror, perhaps then the Fury will not seem quite so good (but I dare not think how bad the Templar may feel then).</p><p> </p>

[Lego]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caethre wrote:<div></div>OOC.<blockquote><hr>Lego23 wrote:<div></div><p>Personally, I'm glad I didn't solo my Fury from 50 to 60.  I can't hardly stand finishing quests with him as it is.  It's too slow for my taste.  Now my ranger and warlock on the other hand....soloing bliss. </p><hr></blockquote><p>Nothing you said here is wrong, it is your experience, but it made me laugh out loud in how it is the exact opposite to how I felt (and feel) about it. You see, it is all down to what you are used to and what you are comparing against.</p><p>I soloed about 90% of the XP from 50 to 60 as Annaelisa. What is more, I loved it, and considered it super-fast! The idea that I could mow through mobs at "lightening-pace" (that is how it feels to me) and* still be a powerful healer was fun fun fun.</p><p>But ...</p><p>Then you have to look at what I have been used to. Until I created my Fury after LU15, I had only ever levelled a Templar. Compared to a Templar, the soloing of a Fury seemed like suddenly having super-hero powers! Firy soloing is not just "a little better" than Templar, it is night and day!</p><p>Now if I ever level Suzanna-the-Conjuror, perhaps then the Fury will not seem quite so good (but I dare not think how bad the Templar may feel then).</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote><p>Yes and no, but I don't particularly care to split hairs with you over it.  All healers (Fury and Warden included) solo quite a bit slower overall than the other classes that are completely geared towards damage. </p><p>The real issue here, to me, is the lack of a compelling game dynamic.  It's just damage, damage, mob dead, rinse, repeat.  I'm personally waiting for the day when tactics will actually play a part of the combat.  I.E. healers can gain experience by 'gasp' healing.  I realize that's a pipe dream, but a compelling one nonetheless.   </p>

[quetzaqotl]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Yes a my conj solos much easier and quicker and safer, of all the priest classes furies solo the fastest thats is true but yeah mages have us beat and some scouts too and some fighters.</p><p>An offensive priest will always outdmg a defensive one if that comes as a shock, well... I cant imagine that.</p><p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class="date_text">01-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:56 AM</span></p>

[Wucked]

Furies solo very well (for a healer class), they are nowhere near as fast as a mage or scout class but they can take ALOT more punishment.I lvl'd up last night to 57, the last 10% of lvl 56 was spent in Sinking Sands soloing 52 ^^^ reapers, giants and raptors, each taking about a minute to kill. I have to say that I dont agree with some of the survivability comments above, I have not found a mob that a Templar at my lvl (or any other healer class) can "survive" that I cannot survive and kill in a convincing manner.<div></div>

[Caethre]

<div></div>OOC.<blockquote><hr>Wucked wrote:I have to say that I dont agree with some of the survivability comments above, I have not found a mob that a Templar at my lvl (or any other healer class) can "survive" that I cannot survive and kill in a convincing manner.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>You are totally correct. In soloing situations (this thread is titled "at soloing" ), the Templar is not really significantly more survivable than the Fury. Fighting sensible mobs that can be soloed, both will survive very well. I almost never die when soloing, as either Templar or Fury, and I have done a great deal of soloing as both classes in all tiers. Things go wrong sometimes, of course, but anyone that does die a lot as either of these classes is either a poor player or is just taking a lot of unnecessary risks (perhaps for fun), but it is not needed.</p><p>Ok, if you decide to try to stand up against an orange-con heroic or even an Epicx2, to see how long you can live, on your own, sure the Templar will last longer then, due to higher mitigation meaning it takes longer for her to fall, but they would both still lose horribly in the end. But I do not call that "soloing", Iol - soloing means (to most of us) actually killing things to acquire XP or loot or both, or completing quests, when on ones own, it does not mean, how long can I stand against this ubermob before I die.</p><p>For real soloing, fighting mobs most players  would actually realistically fight for solo XP, the greater mitigation of the Templar is offset by the much larger DPS of the Fury meaning the mobs die faster. Both appear to be about equally survivable (but the Fury gets XP at 2-3x the rate).</p><p>Whatever, take that as you will, but note that I play <u>both</u> classes. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Caethre on <span class="date_text">01-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:03 PM</span></p>

[JackBurtonBTLC]

<div></div>great discussion. I agree that if the fury gets xp at 2x or 3x (faster than) that of a templar yet can do the job a templar does, why play a templar? I mean on my server, everyone solos from time to time, its a reality with busy lives. I choose the class that 1) can do well in a group, and 2) can get the fastest XP solo... thats my take on it.<div></div><p>Message Edited by JackBurtonBTLC on <span class="date_text">01-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:35 PM</span></p>

[Mabes]

<div></div>I never solo (unless I have to for a quest), it's painfully slow with templars.  I don't play the other two classes you mentioned so I won't comment on them.

[Grimme]

<div>I'll make a blanket statement - I play all three, and I would much rather solo my fury than either of the other two. WHY?</div><div> </div><div>Well, who wants to take 10 minutes to kill a single mob? With Templar and shaman, it seems like it takes ten minutes to kill -anything-.</div><div> </div><div>I would even go so far as to debate that templars and shaman can survive tougher mobs / very long fights. I would instead say that on tougher mobs, they have no choice but to make it an endurance contest, because their only mana efficient spells are debuffs and heals / wards.</div>

[Wickedgames]

<div align="left"><ol><li><font size="1"><font face="Arial">My lvl 60 Female Dwarven Fury has been such a blast both for solo and for groups . now at 60 has proven to be a strong raiding class.</font></font></li><li><font size="1"><font face="Arial"> I have never played a healer before (allways DPS classes) and iv found playing a fury extremely enjoyable,with a huge bag of tricks and a versitility which allows for extremely  fun experience</font></font></li><li><font size="1"><font face="Arial">/cheer for above poster who duos roost at lvl 54 . WOOt ! that has got to be a blast )</font></font></li></ol></div><div></div>

[Elfin Hoi Man]

<div></div><div></div><div>Fury solo's better than a Templar or Shaman. God knows how you people solo 55-60 on your furies, it's so boring. But I understand people can't always spare time.</div><div> </div><div>I simply will not solo since its soooooooo boring on Fury. Not fun at all for me, on the other hand duo... sure, trio... sure, grouping sure sure sure. But soloing is very depressing for me.</div><div> </div><div>Conincidentally I duo more than anything else and that is with a Templar.</div><div> </div><div>I tank <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but i'm only able to because of the templars healing and buffs.</div><div> </div><div>Well actually I tell a lie, I can't tank Dozer, so my partner has to, since I don't get to wear Plate.</div><div> </div><div>But seriously if you want to <strong>solo</strong> try out a class which is better designed for soloing. We have a <em>Warlock & Wizard</em> alt duo which is a barrel of laughs (NB Always auto lock encounters, bad things happen when overly helpful people decide to hit mobs and break roots!).</div><div> </div><div>Think of some more combo's for yourself. But starting life out to be a soloing priest is a bit freaky :/ Whatever floats your boat!</div><p>Message Edited by Elfin Hoi Man on <span class="date_text">02-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:15 PM</span></p>

[Sunlei]

<div></div><p> Try all three classes, even at low levels they play quite a bit differently. A lot easier to stay alive solo with reactive spells...can put those spells on before you get hit. Some spells heal you every time you damage the mob or you take damage. Try the evil healers aswell, they get some cool race traits like low level in combat power regen and damage shield and invis spell.</p><p>Choose carefully your master strike spells. It's a big damage nuke that can help any class kill much faster.  Consider using wands for extra damage..you can run and move when your wand is casting.</p><p>Don't forget your debuffs. They can make your spells and melee hit for way more damage.</p><p>My suggestion is to try all the classes and use all your spells, especially the *debuffs*..to me they make a huge difference. Some healer classes can debuff their own nukes to land better.</p><p>If you're looking for the fastest soloing class..all the healers are much slower soloers.</p><p>Right now the popular solo choice is to try a ranger or conj.(pet class) for the fastest soloing.</p><p>Good luck and try them all <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[JackBurtonBTLC]

ya i have been trying various classes out.I have a templar and a shaman... both are so so... the templar is HORRIBLE at solo play worse char I have ever tried to do solo... and I don't like its 5 second cast times on its reactives..so F that classshaman seems pretty good... but not surre its the class for me, soloing seems slow as well...fury started one and I must say, with apprentice 2 spells only, its doing pretty good solo, BUT I haven't tried group play and healing yet....I've also tried about 1/2 dozen of other classes and so far ALL of them solo fairly well... templar being the worse solo'r in the game..IMO...<div></div>

[NimSul]

<div>Last night i compared nukes with a guildie templar and omg it seemed like the spells was copies of eachother, made me feel sad for templer soloing that they are as gimped as me :smileywink: someone said in some post at some point a quote i like.</div><div> </div><div>Hi, im a shaman, im immortal ... but so are the mobs</div><div> </div><div>i think it describes shammy soloing pretty good</div>

[Sola]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lego23 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>The real issue here, to me, is the lack of a compelling game dynamic.  It's just damage, damage, mob dead, rinse, repeat.  I'm personally waiting for the day when tactics will actually play a part of the combat.  <font color="#ff3300">I.E. healers can gain experience by 'gasp' healing.</font>  I realize that's a pipe dream, but a compelling one nonetheless.   </blockquote><hr></blockquote>Aye, I know what you mean.  Wouldn't it be kewl if they at least made our heals that heal 'X' amount actually do 'X' amount of damage if cast on undead?  Might be some game mechanics that will not work in EQ, but I remember back in the pen and paper days of DnD of using cleric heals to devastate undead with!