Help! Hot Keys are full.

[Kaho]

<DIV>:smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV>Hello, I'm a level 27 Fury with a problem--I will soon have too many spells for my hotkeys. (note--this is a nice problem)</DIV> <DIV>I currently have 36 hotkeys on my 3 hotbars and with the latest spell I've filled them all.  Obviously, some of my slots are Macros.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only one of the spells is gray to me.  My questions are:  How do you select spells to keep active?  Which spells did you keep up through level 30 and which ones did you retire?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kahola wrote:<div>:smileytongue:</div> <div>Hello, I'm a level 27 Fury with a problem--I will soon have too many spells for my hotkeys. (note--this is a nice problem)</div> <div>I currently have 36 hotkeys on my 3 hotbars and with the latest spell I've filled them all.  Obviously, some of my slots are Macros.</div> <div> </div> <div>Only one of the spells is gray to me.  My questions are:  How do you select spells to keep active?  Which spells did you keep up through level 30 and which ones did you retire?  </div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks.</div> <hr></blockquote> On my level 45 inq, my 31 monk and my 36 swashy I have 6 hotbars.. in fact on my inq I have maybe 4 boxes free <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The reason why I have so many is I have lots of the old low level skills still available.. because for me sometimes I need just a teensy bit of healing and have an equivilant teensy bit of power to go with it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I would also rather cast a lower level spell for equally lower level power if I dont need a high end one.. if the tank is taking only 100 or less damage a hit, then my reactive Bestowal of vitae at 110 per whack is just fine for keeping him up.. saving the 227+ heals for bigger hits..and I use less power so I have more for emergencies.. Its hard to pare them down, so I just have them organized in sections, based on how much they heal (if they are a heal) in order from greatest to least, and then a utility section in a non keypress bar (have to hit it with a mouse) for longer term buffs that I dont cast continuously.. etc.. One of the biggest helps was getting a 3/4 hotbar mod from www.eq2interface.com  so it saves on screen real estate.. </span><div></div>

[Launceal]

I have hotbars 1-3 onscreen and I never change them.  They have important combat stuff like heals, cures, nukes, debuffs, etc. I have a 4th hotbar that I use as a rotating set.  I spin it between panels 4, 5, and 6.  Buffs, utility spells, and other odds and ends are on those panels. <div></div>

[darkshm]

If your computer can support it you'll probably want to increase your resolution so you can fit more hotbars on your screen. I have six hotbars on screen at all times (four along the bottom, two near the top), and another two hidden behind the group window with one slot each sticking out so if I mouse-over the area they pop up on top of the group window (for more rarely used spells: call of the overlord, illusions, certain macros, etc). It's hard to explain but maybe it'll help, here's a pic (you can't see the two hidden bars in the pic): <a href="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/710/255.jpg" target="_blank">My Hotbar Layout</a><p>Message Edited by darkshmoo on <span class=date_text>08-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:53 PM</span>

[Kaho]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> <HR> darkshmoo wrote:<BR>If your computer can support it you'll probably want to increase your resolution so you can fit more hotbars on your screen. I have six hotbars on screen at all times (four along the bottom, two near the top), and another two hidden behind the group window with one slot each sticking out so if I mouse-over the area they pop up on top of the group window (for more rarely used spells: call of the overlord, illusions, certain macros, etc).<BR><BR> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>:smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV>Nice UI Darkshmoo!  I see your offensive spells are on the first hotbar, your heals on the Alt hotbar, and your cures & misc are on the Cntrl hotbar.  How did you create the other Alt hotbar in the bottom right (the one with Peerless Predator on it)?  What are on the two hidden bars?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also like the layout of your chat windows and will adapt mine to something similar.   My PC is very powerful so I shouldn't have trouble setting something similar up. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, what I'm struck with is how many spells you and Ariven are trying to keep at hand.  You have 60 slots for spells, macros, & misc to my 36.  Ariven is saying she like the economy of the old spells, but are they all really necessary?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this is the consensus of spell casting I'll adjust to more hotbars.   Who knows maybe I'll even learn to like it.  :smileywink:</DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kahola wrote:<div></div> <blockquote><em><font size="2"></font></em> <hr> darkshmoo wrote:If your computer can support it you'll probably want to increase your resolution so you can fit more hotbars on your screen. I have six hotbars on screen at all times (four along the bottom, two near the top), and another two hidden behind the group window with one slot each sticking out so if I mouse-over the area they pop up on top of the group window (for more rarely used spells: call of the overlord, illusions, certain macros, etc). <p><em><font size="2"></font></em></p> <hr> </blockquote> <div>:smileyhappy:</div> <div>Nice UI Darkshmoo!  I see your offensive spells are on the first hotbar, your heals on the Alt hotbar, and your cures & misc are on the Cntrl hotbar.  How did you create the other Alt hotbar in the bottom right (the one with Peerless Predator on it)?  What are on the two hidden bars?</div> <div> </div> <div>I also like the layout of your chat windows and will adapt mine to something similar.   My PC is very powerful so I shouldn't have trouble setting something similar up. </div> <div> </div> <div>However, what I'm struck with is how many spells you and Ariven are trying to keep at hand.  You have 60 slots for spells, macros, & misc to my 36.  Ariven is saying she like the economy of the old spells, but are they all really necessary?</div> <div> </div> <div>If this is the consensus of spell casting I'll adjust to more hotbars.   Who knows maybe I'll even learn to like it.  :smileywink:</div><hr></blockquote>To have more hotbars, right click on a hot bar, select "open new hotbar".  there are 10 hot bars available, numbered 1..0 (1 through 9, then 0 for 10).  Only the first 3 will have the capacity to be fired off by hitting a number key.. the rest you will need to use your mouse for. As for number of items on hotbars.. well for my inq I have heals, cures, attacks, macros for HOs (3 different HO flavors), macros for agro notifications (easier to hit 1 key that says "Eeek!  I am being attacked"  or "warning, incoming agro!" than it is to type all that out in battle)... I also have harvesting keys, activatable slots (hex dolls, horse whistle, potions, etc), activatable items (rings of imbued stat) and so on.. Do I need the lower level spells?  no, not always.. but often enough that it justifies having them on my bar... I can remember the first time I figured out that "hey they are still useful" when I was duoing varsoon with a guardian.  We were both out of mana and still slowly whittling away on varsoon who was doing the same to the tank, but for very low damage amounts...  on a hunch I tried out Minor Healing...  It turned out that I could chain cast that and regen as much power as it consumed before it was available to cast again.. giving JUST enough healing to keep the tank alive while virtually with no power. Now, looking at other situations.. I have my current heal thats approximately 230 health per hit as a reactive.. and I have Bestowal of Vitae that heals 115 per hit... but BoV takes less power than the current one... so if the tank is only getting whacked for 100 or under, and not often enough to expire BoV fast, why not use the lower level spell and save power for when you need it. They are redoing all the spell lines so stuff will be on the same timer, and their intention seems to be making it so we will ONLY want to cast our current stuff... well I personally still think I will be using lower level heals in some of the same situations... for the reason that now we will draw agro on reactives now too.. so why use a bigger heal that isn't needed?  yeah I am probably worrying for nothing but I still look at (fake numbers here) a heal for 115 that costs 40 power being more appropriate for 100 point hits than a heal for 235 that costs 50 power for 100 point hits...  thats a waste of 135 points of healing and 10 points of power ( currently the power difference is bigger).. After the changes I will be checking stuff out and verifying if I -do- need to keep the low stuff, but I strongly suspect I do.. As for other classes, I know a tank that has a hotbar full of nothing but group interaction macros, like pull comments, instructions to the group, etc... it's all play style <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[StixxliteAZ]

48 Fury Here, I've been running with 4 Hotbars till about 2 levels ago, I've just recently added a 5 so I could organize better, I have about 4 or 5 slots free.   Good Luck. <div></div>

[Keodred]

<DIV>Level 40 and still using 3 here. 1st is nukes/debuffs, 2nd is heals, 3rd is buffs. I have bar 0 set up for recall, yell for help, sprint, and other misc crap I don't need instant access to.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just drop spells I don't really need to use anymore; like smite and effloresence (Wildling Elixir does fine for a big heal) no point in keeping Regrowth or Fleshweave around since they don't stack with Wild Bloodflow anyway. The master smite spells I switch out depending where I'm hunting.</DIV>

[darkshm]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kahola wrote:<div></div><div> :smileyhappy:</div> <div>Nice UI Darkshmoo!  I see your offensive spells are on the first hotbar, your heals on the Alt hotbar, and your cures & misc are on the Cntrl hotbar.  How did you create the other Alt hotbar in the bottom right (the one with Peerless Predator on it)?  What are on the two hidden bars?</div> <div> </div> <div>I also like the layout of your chat windows and will adapt mine to something similar.   My PC is very powerful so I shouldn't have trouble setting something similar up. </div> <div> </div> <div>However, what I'm struck with is how many spells you and Ariven are trying to keep at hand.  You have 60 slots for spells, macros, & misc to my 36.  Ariven is saying she like the economy of the old spells, but are they all really necessary?</div> <div> </div> <div>If this is the consensus of spell casting I'll adjust to more hotbars.   Who knows maybe I'll even learn to like it.  :smileywink:</div><hr></blockquote> When  you ask how I created it, if you mean how'd I get a fourth yeah you just right-click on a hotbar and choose, "add new hotbar," or something similar.  If you mean how'd I get it to change shape you can just click and drag a side around until it's in the shape you want.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I s'pose it's worth noting that the two chat windows I have above my hotbars are normally completely invisible, they only pop up if something appears in them (so I know immediately if something needs my attention and when I"m just wandering around they're not in the way).  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  The two invisible hotbars are along the top of the screen to the left of the mini-journal window thingie, "behind" my group window (the one you see your group members in).  So if I put my mouse pointer just to the left of the journal window they pop-up, it's hard to 'splain.  ><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Annnnyway yeah so I have a "HEALER IS OUT OF POWER" macro, and a "HELP THE FURY, HELP THE FURY!" macro (heheheh).  I also have a macro next to my Untamed Shroud telling my group that I'm about to cast it and reminding them not to cast any spells, or sprint, or break invis.  Stuff like that.  I don't have toooooo many old spells thought still on my hotbar (certainly no old conc buff spells).  Minor healing is only there to cheaply complete the occasional HO, but it looks like that's going to weaken the HO in an upcoming patch so who knows if it'll stay.  Chill and Stinging Swarm are still there because stinging swarm stacks with the other DoTs so no reason not to do more dmg when I can, chill's mostly there to cheaply complete a HO from time to time, or if I feel like nuking more and everything else is still recovering or the DoT is still up.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Finally when I want to fully-buff someone (myself, group's tank) every fifteen minutes rather than individually clicking each buff I made those little 'shield icon' macros in the upper left to buff them for me (two per macro is the max).  So a lot of it's just convenience.  Finally while I *need* to periodically space-chicken naughty guild members there's no room for that, so that's on one of my two "invisible" hotbars up top.  Heh... hope this helps.... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Claritin]

<P>at 1600x1200 resolution using the 3/4 size hotbar mod on eq2interface.com you can get ALOT of hot bars on there.</P> <P>I find 3 full length </P> <P>1.) Nukes and single target heals</P> <P>2.) Group heals, debuffs, and short term buffs</P> <P>3.) Cures, Rez's, etc</P> <P>then 1 that is 4 wide and 3 tall</P> <P>4.) Long term buffs</P> <P>and one that is 12 tall but 1 wide up the side of the screen</P> <P>5.) Sow, Sprint, Call for help, Illusions, Invis, Call of Qeynos, etc (if it's not on the bottom of the screen you are highly unlikely to hit this stuff unless you REALLY mean to)</P> <P>I have a few "empty" slots which is good... I use them to seperate out catagories... (sucks to want a debuff and hit a group heal.)</P> <P>I highly suggest trying higher resolutions... it didn't have nearly the impact on performance that I had thought... if I can run around at 1600x1200 on a Geforce FX 5900 then alot of you can.... and that 3/4 hotbar is almost required IMHO.</P>

[Sepp]

50 fury here... I'm a big minimalist, so I only have 4 hotbars up:primary = heals (bloodflow, efflo, elixir, salve, and bounty), cures (all except melee), group heals (direct and regen), and emergency heals (single and group)secondary = HO starter, training chill, strike of storms, whirlwind, dooming, intimidation, irritating, starfire, invis, open bags macro, brambles, toxic quillstertiary = predator, ferocity, ferine mask, ferine spirit, vim, bat, bloodlust, fae flames, barbed skin, porcupine, group rez, battle rezquaternary = activatable 1, activatable 2, ring, fairie fire, blank, CoQ, rust monster illusion, lightning illusion, blank, sow, potc, rezas you can see, i don't have any grey spells (except fairie fire... quick cast pulling spell) and i get by fine. have yet to need cure trauma, so that is not on there either. if i ever have occasion to cast any other spell, it is easier to dig through my spell book than clutter up my screen with useless hotbars (and for the record, i also run at 1600x1200, and use 3/4 hotbars, so screen real estate is not the issue, clutter is.

[darkshm]

Hahahah good point on the cure trauma, maybe I'll ditch that zero too. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR><BR> Although how you get by without Bloom I don't know. It also sounds like you don't have the group-cure versions of cure poison and elemental? I'd go into some huge, "omgwth you need those!!!!" speach about now but all of those are going away with the revamp it seems anyway.... heh.... heh... /cry. <BR><BR> Wait you don't have either 15 min recast heals (IE sylvan touch and the group one who's name escapes me) on a hotbar either? We live very, very different lives... ><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[SpritRaja]

<DIV>He does have the 15 min recast heals he just called them the emergency heals wich I use them for also.</DIV>

[darkshm]

All right, you're right I'm oblivious as ever. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />