Any use for porcupine?

[Twofeets]

<DIV>Well, I finally dinged 50 last night and got this spell.  I had an adept 1 laying around, so I went ahead and scribed it.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Has anyone found a use for it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Reading the text it stated it put a 150pt damage shield on the target, but that the fury was stunned for the duration of the spell (30 seconds).  While the 150 damage may not sound bad to some, in reality (as far as I can tell) its useless....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) the fury is stunned, so he cannot move, heal, nuke, I dont think he can even melee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) from what Ive seen, damage shields can be resisted, so the 150pt may do a lot less damage, or be completely resisted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) In most situations the fury can do a lot more damage by simply using his other spells, while still being able to heal, move, and melee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Am I missing something here?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Launceal]

This spell is useful..in specific situations.  Anytime the MT (or you) are taking  lots of fast hits from lots of mobs..it has the potential to be really useful.  I used it today to solo the Broodmother in EF.  I started wiht Owls, Bloodflow, and a Bloom, then pull, and turn on Porcupine.  During the 25 seconds or so that I left it on, I was being healed by the 3 regen spells, and the gang of adds with low hp beat themselves to death on the damage shield.  After the heals started to drop, I clicked off porcupine, recast the same 3 heals, cast one starfire which killed the last 2 adds that still weren't dead, then got to work on the BM.  Fun stuff. <div></div>

[harkoli]

<DIV>if the damage shiled gives a small benefit like slow or hate reducer than i guess it may became useful.. but pure dmg shield while being stunned.. i think its more of a last ditch kinda thing. </DIV>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>well fighting the broodmother i usually pull with irritating swarm turn on wildbloodflow cast starfire 3 times and the adds are dead then dooming swarm whirlwind hos keeping irr. swarm and wb up its faster and just as easy so I think in most circumstances porcupine is more like a fluff spell its not really needed but its kinda fun seeing a mob killing themselves on your dmg shield.</P> <P>Its a kinda useless spell only useful in some circumstances and even then not really needed, its not like a nice hot when rooted/haste/big [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] nuke in useability compared to those spells this one is the suck.</P>

[Rinweth]

<DIV>It's only really nice if you are getting hit often, but not for too much damage. Other than that, yeah it is pretty much a wasted spell.</DIV>

[harkoli]

<P>does anyone have an adept 3 porcupine or even master? granted its a useless spell but I am just curious indeed how much damage it can do at adept 3.</P> <P> </P>

[quetzaqotl]

<P>at adep 3 it does like 145 dmg per hit on a side not it might prove usefull when duelling as the dmg shield procs too if your hit with a dot/nuke.</P> <P>Actually its a kinda fun spell (albeit not being that useful) i solo those arctic wyrms in ef for fun/loot and i usually just cast HO dot+dot toxic quills wildbloodflow and cast porcupine when it hits you with frostbite (they are wardens those wyrms)  every time frostbite hits me it hits them back for 145 dmg +plus the times it hits em when they nuke/melee so thats kinda fun nothing beats watching a mob kill em self on your dmg shield with the regen absorbing the dmg hehe.</P> <p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>06-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:19 AM</span>

[Zamw]

Does the DS on Porcupine stack with the DS from Toxic Quills?  When soloing that would be some nice damage there for a bit.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[quetzaqotl]

yes im almost 100% sure bout them both stacking

[mind|e]

it should stack with bramblecoat or whatever our other ds is.  X3 DS for the win <div></div>

[Arwin]

<DIV>While Porcupine is funnctional in some cases where you or your tank is being hit a lot, frankly I find it boring as hell to be stunned. I prefer to melee, heroic op. Whirlwind/Dooming Swarm, and chain cast Strike of Storms. I frequently hit 110 dps when soloing writs.</DIV>

[ren]

Porcupine doesn't stack with the other DS anymore, but it used to.  It does stack with Toxic Quills, but TQ doesn't last very long and has a 15 minute reuse timer.

[Sepp]

I find this spell great when there's no one in EF (see: 2am HST) and you are cranking out writs... there's an almost unlimited supply of ice wolves and pioneers, so after plowing through 10 or so mobs, and being low on power, I engage 5 wolves/scout pioneers, slap on bloodflow, and follow with porcupine. This way, I do decent damage, recharge power, and have time to grab a cup of coffee <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> When porcupine breaks, i recast bloodflow, and pass out a nuke or dot to each mob... they all die within about 20 sec of porcupine dropping. This is the only use for it i have found where it is better than other options (simply because of the power regen).

[darkshm]

<DIV>The only time I use porcupine (and this is just for the sake of using it really) is in the lvl 50 version Nektropos when a sister gets killed and our tank is suddenly swarmed by like 10 dolls and the big skeleton sister.  The dolls are usually 'bout dead when it wears off, then again like I said it's mostly just for fun.  You need your tank getting wailed on by a lot of low hitpoint mobs that can actually hit him.  Meh.  :/</DIV>

[Czechpsyc]

<DIV>There isn't yet, but maybe soon there will be. With the changes to the way armor works, guardians will get higher mitigation and lower avoidance. So will be hit for less in raid/regular situations, but hit alot more. Since, we aren't the best healers in raid situations, could add heavily to dps by simply turning this on against massive groups of mobs. </DIV>

[darkshm]

That's a good point, but most difficult raids (in my experience anyway) are centered around one, two, or three mega mobs... doubt it'd help too much for those.  Not disagreeing just to disagree, I'm just skeptical.  I'd feel a lot better about Porcupine if it included a regen maybe, or a mitigation buff, or hell a buff to resistances.  Something, anything.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Twobox]

It's useful when you are oop in a raid.

[darkshm]

I s'pose that's a good point. I usually just run around screaming and spamming my manastone at that point... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[quetzaqotl]

<P>lol well i only begin screaming when my regen has stopped working, Im oop and Im in the red.</P> <P>Hehe sure as hell i wont be using porcupine then hehe.</P> <p>Message Edited by quetzaqotl on <span class=date_text>06-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:19 AM</span>

[om8]

Porcupine works great on the groups of down-arrow mobs in Harclave. At first I thought it would be useful in the Zek instance raid, but damage shield DPS you contributed would be offset by the proc DPS you lost by being in the MT group, which might have only two melees, rather than a DPS group with four or five.

[darkshm]

Bah porcupine isn't even on my hotbars anymore, it's sitting unused and unloved in my spellbook with Savage Feast. Although I keep meaning to revisit SF... I don't have my hopes up. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[quetzaqotl]

<P>Savage feast is on my hotbar and I use that spell often as it is a good spell imo.</P> <P>Also porcupine has some use after all in the new splitpaw zones like harclave or the x2 raid there its quite useful there but agreed this spell</P> <P>is still not of much use not like an always useful inq. haste/warden regen/templar reactive.</P>

[Goozman]

<DIV>Porcupine is great for the down arrow groups, like the one guy said. I pull with blazing sky, regen, porcupine, and they all kill themselves in about 30 seconds.</DIV>

[Katx]

The Zek instance.

[om8]

Why not make Porcupine raid-castable? Then it would have some (still pretty limited) use in burning through the low-damage, trash encounters.